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Posted: 11/21/2017 8:54:47 PM EST
So I am a lover of all things Glock.  Seeing as how I own 4, the 19's are among my favs of all time.

What's strange for whatever set of reasons, is why the Rangers, SEALs, and now Marsoc, have not only gone to Glocks, but the 19.

When there are bigger more "combat ready" Glocks made, I wonder why the decision?
Link Posted: 11/21/2017 9:10:48 PM EST
Not sure, but my guess would be the balance of size and capacity and since it's not their primary weapon something smaller fit the bill...just a shot in the dark though.
Link Posted: 11/21/2017 9:27:45 PM EST
What do you mean by "More Combat Ready"? Just curious. Just a guess, but I'd think the weight savings and small footprint while still shooting and having the capacity of a full size is what led to their decision to adopt the 19.
Link Posted: 11/21/2017 9:35:24 PM EST
Concealed carry is a thing more and more these days.
Link Posted: 11/21/2017 9:45:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2017 10:03:28 PM EST by Jkbulldogg]
Glock 35 is in use by certain individuals.
Link Posted: 11/21/2017 10:10:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/21/2017 10:19:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/21/2017 10:22:32 PM EST by Hatr40]
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Originally Posted By Dana1972:
What do you mean by "More Combat Ready"? Just curious. Just a guess, but I'd think the weight savings and small footprint while still shooting and having the capacity of a full size is what led to their decision to adopt the 19.
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Maybe not the correct term, but I'd think some guys may choose a G17 first, due to a longer barrel/sight radius, more ammo, easier for some to shoot, and such.

I'm liking the choice they've made....makes me think we've been on to something all along, with the G19 love fest.

What I like, is that it splits a lot of differences.  It's big enough to be a "big gun", but small enough to be small.   Holds enough ammo, can take a light, lots of accessories.   Not much it leaves on the table.  Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 11/21/2017 10:24:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Jkbulldogg:
Glock 35 is in use by certain individuals.
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Great pic.  Glad to see some more models in the wild.  Who is it rolling those?    Thanks for info.
Link Posted: 11/21/2017 10:32:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Jkbulldogg:
Glock 35 is in use by certain individuals.
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That would be pretty neat to see.

When I was at Camp Morehead most of 3rd Group and Slovak SF had G19/17.
Link Posted: 11/22/2017 1:36:39 AM EST
Contrary to popular belief, USSOCOM units cannot simply "buy/carry whatever they want" just because they want it.

While better resourced than some conventional ground combat units, they do not have unlimited budgets and unlimited latitude in purchasing and procurement, and are actually subject to quite a bit of oversight from various directions. Unsurprisingly, the bigger the purchase, the more scrutiny applied.

In order to procure something "out of the norm," they need to be able to define an operational need beyond what currently available equipment offers them.

When it comes to Glocks, it is/was much easier to argue for the need for a more concealable pistol for low/lower visibility operations than to try to justify the purchase of more full sized pistols. The G19 fulfills that requirement, while still being able to be used as a practical service pistol. Nowadays, they've become all but de facto "standard," and it is less of an issue.

Meanwhile, for certain specialty roles/purposes, smaller numbers of full sized G17s and G22s are also in service, some of which are suppressed, along with even more limited numbers of G34s.

Other organizations with some more latitude have also used 35s (along with the other models mentioned), and even some 37s, among others.

~Augee
Link Posted: 11/22/2017 9:02:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2017 9:03:15 AM EST by lasnyder]
Homeland Security had a warehouse of G19s when contracts went elsewhere... SF was offered them, and they gladly took free guns... sidearm is not their primary weapon...
Link Posted: 11/22/2017 11:00:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Augee:
Contrary to popular belief, USSOCOM units cannot simply "buy/carry whatever they want" just because they want it.

While better resourced than some conventional ground combat units, they do not have unlimited budgets and unlimited latitude in purchasing and procurement, and are actually subject to quite a bit of oversight from various directions. Unsurprisingly, the bigger the purchase, the more scrutiny applied.

In order to procure something "out of the norm," they need to be able to define an operational need beyond what currently available equipment offers them.

When it comes to Glocks, it is/was much easier to argue for the need for a more concealable pistol for low/lower visibility operations than to try to justify the purchase of more full sized pistols. The G19 fulfills that requirement, while still being able to be used as a practical service pistol. Nowadays, they've become all but de facto "standard," and it is less of an issue.

Meanwhile, for certain specialty roles/purposes, smaller numbers of full sized G17s and G22s are also in service, some of which are suppressed, along with even more limited numbers of G34s.

Other organizations with some more latitude have also used 35s (along with the other models mentioned), and even some 37s, among others.

~Augee
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What round are they using in the 22s?
Link Posted: 11/22/2017 11:13:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lasnyder:
<strong>Homeland Security had a warehouse of G19s</strong> when contracts went elsewhere... SF was offered them, and they gladly took free guns... sidearm is not their primary weapon...
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Which DHS agency was carrying G19s?  CBP has had G17s, P2000s, 96Fs, and USPs.  USCG has P229s.  FAMs have P229s.  ICE had P229s.  USSS has P229s.
Link Posted: 11/22/2017 11:20:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AS556:

What round are they using in the 22s?
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A .40
Link Posted: 11/22/2017 11:40:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hatr40:

Great pic.  Glad to see some more models in the wild.  Who is it rolling those?    Thanks for info.
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The guys with the tan factory mags that go in them

ACE/CAG/DELTA
Link Posted: 11/23/2017 7:38:13 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Jkbulldogg:
Glock 35 is in use by certain individuals.
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"Certain individuals" (in SF ranks anyway) can carry whatever handgun they want within reason LOL!

As far as "combat ready", the G19 is plenty adequate for most any military situation that would be handgun applicable.  Many soldiers would tell you they could care less about carrying a handgun.  They would trade the weight and kit real estate the handgun takes up for more magazines for their M4
Link Posted: 11/23/2017 9:37:16 AM EST
helmet... I do not know the answer to your question... I was passing on information given to me from a friend that is a SOCOM contractor
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 8:55:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2017 10:41:52 AM EST by Combat_Diver]
Glocks I've seen and service are
G17 (few Gen 4s, most Gen 3s)
G19 Gen 3 (most common)
G19 Gen 3 MOS
G26
G22
G23

9mm ammo is either M882 Ball or Federal HST.  Only .40 I've seen is a 180gr FMJ, white box by someone I've never heard before (don't think I wrote it down or took a pic).  Haven't seen any of the new Win 9mm JHP for the M17/18 yet.



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However I've been known to turn in my G19 for a M1911A1 if given the choice!


CD
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 11:23:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/18/2017 11:23:48 AM EST by 3ACR_Scout]
Very interesting shots, thanks for posting them! I didn’t realize that Gen 3 MOS pistols were ever produced. I’m guessing that was a DoD-only contract. I was issued a G19 on a deployment a few years ago, and it rekindled my interest in carrying a Glock. I already had a 19 at home, and the issued pistol gave me the excuse to order a Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 for it (I was initially using an off brand or locally-made holster that looked like a copy of a VM2).
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 11:37:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout:
Very interesting shots, thanks for posting them! I didn’t realize that Gen 3 MOS pistols were ever produced. I’m guessing that was a DoD-only contract. I was issued a G19 on a deployment a few years ago, and it rekindled my interest in carrying a Glock. I already had a 19 at home, and the issued pistol gave me the excuse to order a Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 for it (I was initially using an off brand or locally-made holster that looked like a copy of a VM2).
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Yeap SOCOM contract only.
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 4:27:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Glocks I've seen and service are
G17 (few Gen 4s, most Gen 3s)
G19 Gen 3 (most common)
G19 Gen 3 MOS
G26
G22
G23

9mm ammo is either M882 Ball or Federal HST.  Only .40 I've seen is a 180gr FMJ, white box by someone I've never heard before (don't think I wrote it down or took a pic).  Haven't seen any of the new Win 9mm JHP for the M17/18 yet.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_2268.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_45881.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4571_rz-394208.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4572_rz-394209.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4622_rz-394214.JPG
However I've been known to turn in my G19 for a M1911A1 if given the choice!
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/1911_G19_c.jpg

CD
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Obviously, not frying pan finish.

Link Posted: 12/18/2017 4:47:59 PM EST
We should turn this into the Glocks in the US Military pic thread.  The last one I started is archived and I think a lot of photos are photobucket black holed.









https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6-nuuRhOz0



I've got more, but it would take some time and effort to dl.  If the OP wants to change the thread title????
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 6:48:58 PM EST
I trained with some 1st Delta back in 2011 and they had Gen3 Glock 22s IIRC.  No pics.
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 8:03:20 PM EST
C_D,

Federal HST is used in combat?  Wow. Did not know that.  Very interesting.
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 8:24:29 PM EST
Some cool photos. Thanks for posting them.
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 9:41:15 PM EST
I can’t remember who but I think a member on here talked about someone carrying 22’s and 35’s.
Link Posted: 12/18/2017 10:42:16 PM EST
Interesting that they would be using any .40’s.
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 10:26:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By pokey074:
Interesting that they would be using any .40’s.
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Agree. When I looked up the DOD class; I do not find it. In handgun ammo I do find:

.22
.32
.38
9mm
.357
.45
^^^The above in all flavors as well.

I did not find anything listed in .40 caliber. However, just because it's not on DOD's publicized ammo list
in no way means it's NOT there or that the military does not use .40.
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 10:33:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2017 10:34:28 AM EST by TheMercenary]
The Gen3 MOS is very interesting...

Curious why they chose the Gen3 over the Gen4?  Parts compatibility?
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 10:58:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2017 10:59:14 AM EST by Combat_Diver]
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Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
The Gen3 MOS is very interesting...

Curious why they chose the Gen3 over the Gen4?  Parts compatibility?
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Think so

CD
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 11:06:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AS556:
C_D,

Federal HST is used in combat?  Wow. Did not know that.  Very interesting.
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CD,

Can you tell us anymore about using HST?
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 2:54:11 PM EST






Link Posted: 12/19/2017 2:58:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TSpork:

CD,

Can you tell us anymore about using HST?
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Every SOCOM unit I go to at the team level there's always couple hundred rounds available.

CD
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 4:35:18 PM EST
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Can someone tell me what rifle this dude on the left has?  249????  Looks like an Elcan with an RMR on top.  A BUIS flipped up.  But a huge roundish looking receiver.........  A waffle stock of some sort?  I'm so confused....
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 5:57:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2017 5:58:12 PM EST by NTXGlocker]
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Originally Posted By JJREA:

Can someone tell me what rifle this dude on the left has?  249????  Looks like an Elcan with an RMR on top.  A BUIS flipped up.  But a huge roundish looking receiver.........  A waffle stock of some sort?  I'm so confused....
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I was wondering myself. Looks like bolt action, some sort of sniper .50 cal???? Wondering....
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 7:57:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2017 8:01:39 PM EST by 3ACR_Scout]
Looks like the back end of an M240L with the lightweight collapsible stock.

Link Posted: 12/19/2017 8:23:15 PM EST
No matter what you do the 240 is never going to be considered lightweight!
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 10:25:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NTXGlocker:

I was wondering myself. Looks like bolt action, some sort of sniper .50 cal???? Wondering....
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The one on the left son, the left.

The one on the right is....  Oh crap, now I forgot the name of it....  Army build........  Help me out here guys......
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 10:56:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/19/2017 10:58:00 PM EST by 3ACR_Scout]
It’s an M2010 ESR in .300 Win Mag.

Link Posted: 12/19/2017 11:19:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By lasnyder:
Homeland Security had a warehouse of G19s when contracts went elsewhere... SF was offered them, and they gladly took free guns... sidearm is not their primary weapon...
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Do you have a source for this info?

Were the Glocks from ICE?
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 11:33:56 PM EST
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Yes, there you go.  XM2010.   I got a cool pic somewhere on my computer from Afghanistan that Steve-Oh shared with us once.  But it's not on my imgur account yet......



Link Posted: 12/20/2017 11:11:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JJREA:

Yes, there you go.  XM2010.   I got a cool pic somewhere on my computer from Afghanistan that Steve-Oh shared with us once.  But it's not on my imgur account yet......

https://i.imgur.com/uQHxv6t.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/C3JqlbU.jpg
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looks like range 37 and everyone's favorite, a dog and pony show.
Link Posted: 12/20/2017 11:52:42 AM EST
Here is my issued Glock in 2012.

Link Posted: 12/21/2017 8:34:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NTXGlocker:

Agree. When I looked up the DOD class; I do not find it. In handgun ammo I do find:

.22
.32
.38
9mm
.357
.45
^^^The above in all flavors as well.

I did not find anything listed in .40 caliber. However, just because it's not on DOD's publicized ammo list
in no way means it's NOT there or that the military does not use .40.
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Ahem......... Its 180grain HSTs. @NTXGlocker
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Link Posted: 12/21/2017 11:04:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By trobertson5-0:

Ahem......... Its 180grain HSTs. @NTXGlocker
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/107119/IMG_0427-397338.JPG
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Thanks.
Link Posted: 12/22/2017 12:58:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Glocks I've seen and service are
G17 (few Gen 4s, most Gen 3s)
G19 Gen 3 (most common)
G19 Gen 3 MOS
G26
G22
G23

9mm ammo is either M882 Ball or Federal HST.  Only .40 I've seen is a 180gr FMJ, white box by someone I've never heard before (don't think I wrote it down or took a pic).  Haven't seen any of the new Win 9mm JHP for the M17/18 yet.

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_2268.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/IMG_45881.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4571_rz-394208.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4572_rz-394209.JPG
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_4622_rz-394214.JPG
However I've been known to turn in my G19 for a M1911A1 if given the choice!
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/1911_G19_c.jpg

CD
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Any idea what suppressors are used on those .40 cal glocks? I’ve never been able to track down that answer.
Link Posted: 12/22/2017 1:14:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TAPTAP556:

Any idea what suppressors are used on those .40 cal glocks? I’ve never been able to track down that answer.
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Sorry don't remember and unit is not here.

CD
Link Posted: 12/22/2017 10:24:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/22/2017 10:25:09 AM EST by coltjeeper]
Combat Diver,

Is the 9mm HST used the standard 124gr.?
Link Posted: 12/22/2017 11:54:07 AM EST
I think it is, never seen the box.  Always mags/ammo cans full of lose rounds.

CD
Link Posted: 12/22/2017 12:18:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Which DHS agency was carrying G19s?  CBP has had G17s, P2000s, 96Fs, and USPs.  USCG has P229s.  FAMs have P229s.  ICE had P229s.  USSS has P229s.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Originally Posted By lasnyder:
<strong>Homeland Security had a warehouse of G19s</strong> when contracts went elsewhere... SF was offered them, and they gladly took free guns... sidearm is not their primary weapon...
Which DHS agency was carrying G19s?  CBP has had G17s, P2000s, 96Fs, and USPs.  USCG has P229s.  FAMs have P229s.  ICE had P229s.  USSS has P229s.
I do believe FPS has Glocks.  I also believe some of the AMO guys in CBP have 19's or at least they look like 19's when I pass them in the hallway.  ICE also has multiple handguns to choose from not just the 229, Glocks are on the list
Link Posted: 12/22/2017 1:30:52 PM EST
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