For AIWB is there a belt better than the Tenicor Zero? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/24/2022 3:34:44 AM EDT
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I am a big fan of The Wilderness Belt and have worn them for about 30 years. However since moving to AIWB carry the buckle is less than ideal. I carry a T1C Axis Elite with holster and side car mag carrier and the Wilderness buckle gets in the way. In my research the Tenicor Zero looks like the ideal buckle and design for AIWB. It's also made by Wilderness which I like. What do you guys think? Is this the best belt for AIWB or do you recommend something else? |
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Blue Alpha Gear works best for me. I’ve tried Volund Gear Works, Wilderness, Ares Aegis and several others. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz: Ares Aegis is the best belt Didn’t realize the buckles were glass filled nylon I think you just convinced me to buy a new belt |
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Originally Posted By Jdub16: Ares Aegis enhanced How much of a difference between the standard version and the enhanced? From the description it’s just an extra layer of webbing, but I’m not sure how much structural difference that makes. |
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I see a lot of people recommending the Ares Aegis which is a nice belt but in my experience, not the best for AIWB. My issue was the buckle was so thick that it stuck out further than the grip of the gun. The scuba webbing is very thick and stiff, and where the belt overlaps once buckled, it’s nearly a third of an inch thick. Depending on your belt loops, you might have a difficult time getting the overlapping layers through. Due to the rigidity of the belt, it’s pretty uncomfortable as well. I think the Aegis is well suited for outside the waistband carry where a stiffer belt is needed to help support the pistol. For AIWB, you don’t need a belt that thick/stiff since your pants help support the gun against your body. Just some things to think about. |
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Originally Posted By Wespe: I see a lot of people recommending the Ares Aegis which is a nice belt but in my experience, not the best for AIWB. My issue was the buckle was so thick that it stuck out further than the grip of the gun. The scuba webbing is very thick and stiff, and where the belt overlaps once buckled, it’s nearly a third of an inch thick. Depending on your belt loops, you might have a difficult time getting the overlapping layers through. Due to the rigidity of the belt, it’s pretty uncomfortable as well. I think the Aegis is well suited for outside the waistband carry where a stiffer belt is needed to help support the pistol. For AIWB, you don’t need a belt that thick/stiff since your pants help support the gun against your body. Just some things to think about. I use the Aegis for AIWB. It works great with my Tenicor Certum 3's with my Staccato C2, G19 and G48. I don't think it would work well if you used a sidecar, but I don't carry a spare there. IMO, the buckle is fantastic. The webbing is excellent. And there's zero velcro. |
| Been carrying with this belt from V Development group. It has a stiffener close to the buckle for AIWB but the rest is just webbing. It's very comfortable to wear but supports a full size pistol. |
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Hey guys, I ended up trying one of the simple EDC belts from Wolf Tactical. With the current 15% holiday discount I was able to get it for about $22. I have to say my initial impressions are good. Much easier to mount my AIWB rig without the big Wilderness buckle. It also easily supports my IWB holsters at 12:00 and 4:00. I have not tried OWB with it. Tomorrow I will wear it all day and come back to share my findings. Attached File https://www.wolftacticalusa.com/collections/heavy-duty-belts/products/heavy-duty-simple-edc-belt |
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Originally Posted By Wespe: I see a lot of people recommending the Ares Aegis which is a nice belt but in my experience, not the best for AIWB. My issue was the buckle was so thick that it stuck out further than the grip of the gun. The scuba webbing is very thick and stiff, and where the belt overlaps once buckled, it’s nearly a third of an inch thick. Depending on your belt loops, you might have a difficult time getting the overlapping layers through. Due to the rigidity of the belt, it’s pretty uncomfortable as well. I think the Aegis is well suited for outside the waistband carry where a stiffer belt is needed to help support the pistol. For AIWB, you don’t need a belt that thick/stiff since your pants help support the gun against your body. Just some things to think about. I ended up ordering an Aegis because of this thread. I went with the non-enhanced version because of your comment, and I'm glad I did. The two layers of webbing is just right. I would not have wanted it any stiffer than that. I don't have any issues with the buckle, but i'm in 38" waist territory with IWB carry. I really like the look of it. |
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I wore the Wolf Tactical EDC belt all day today with my G45 and extra magazine. It worked very well. Support was great and I was able to make adjustments easily throughout the day to use the restroom, get in and out of the truck, etc. For $22 I think this belt is a heck of a bargain. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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| I used to wear the blue alpha gear belt and liked that but now I use the Tenicor Zero. I like that there is no Velcro in the Zero and do not find the buckle annoying. It is slightly less stiff than the Blue Alpha. Both are worn with the buckle offset from 12 o’clock so they don’t interfere with my holster or make the gun stick out unnecessarily. |
| As far as I can tell the Wolf EDC is exactly like the Blue Alpha, but for less money. Some of the Wolf Tactical reviews mention this. |
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My current favorite AIWB belt is the Blue Alpha low profile EDC belt. It works great with my Tenicor Certum Lux 2 holster. It makes carrying my G19 with RMR and TLR-7a effortless. I have no doubt the Tenicor belt is a quality item but, IMHO, at almost half the price the Blue Alpha EDC belt isn't really giving up anything. https://www.bluealphabelts.com/product/low-profile-edc-belt |
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz: I have one and don't use it as the buckle is pain. Ares Aegis is the best belt. I wore a Wilderness titanium instructors belt for many years. The Aegis is much better. The buckle gets easier to manipulate after about a day of use. It’s my favorite belt now. I can adjust it just as easily as I can my Aegis, but the Zero is much lighter and doesn’t have a giant buckle. |
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Originally Posted By Glck1911: The buckle gets easier to manipulate after about a day of use. It’s my favorite belt now. I can adjust it just as easily as I can my Aegis, but the Zero is much lighter and doesn’t have a giant buckle. I just pulled it (Zero) out. I'll give it another try. My Vedder is also a pain in the ass. |
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Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: Hey guys, I ended up trying one of the simple EDC belts from Wolf Tactical. With the current 15% holiday discount I was able to get it for about $22. I have to say my initial impressions are good. Much easier to mount my AIWB rig without the big Wilderness buckle. It also easily supports my IWB holsters at 12:00 and 4:00. I have not tried OWB with it. Tomorrow I will wear it all day and come back to share my findings. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/BL8932-1Black2_1440x_jpg-2652659.JPG https://www.wolftacticalusa.com/collections/heavy-duty-belts/products/heavy-duty-simple-edc-belt The Wolf Tactical belts are also available on Amazon. |
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz: I just pulled it (Zero) out. I'll give it another try. My Vedder is also a pain in the ass. Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz: Originally Posted By Glck1911: The buckle gets easier to manipulate after about a day of use. It’s my favorite belt now. I can adjust it just as easily as I can my Aegis, but the Zero is much lighter and doesn’t have a giant buckle. I just pulled it (Zero) out. I'll give it another try. My Vedder is also a pain in the ass. I tried the Zero again. Still a pain in the ass. Ares Aegis is still The Way. |
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz: I tried the Zero again. Still a pain in the ass. Ares Aegis is still The Way. I'd give the zero a try if they ever had one in a size 34, seems to be OOS whenever I look, seems like a solid concept to be void of velcro. |
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Originally Posted By TheMercenary: How much of a difference between the standard version and the enhanced? From the description it’s just an extra layer of webbing, but I’m not sure how much structural difference that makes. It definitely is better if you carry a decent amount of weight. I carry a G17 or G19 and spare reload or two it does not give or sag any. I have both the variations the enhanced is much better for full size compact pistols but the standard will still do it just the enhanced does it better. @TheMercenary |
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Originally Posted By EdgecrusherXES:It definitely is better if you carry a decent amount of weight. I carry a G17 or G19 and spare reload or two it does not give or sag any. I have both the variations the enhanced is much better for full size compact pistols but the standard will still do it just the enhanced does it better. I ended up with the standard version, and it’s my new favorite belt. Can’t carry at work, but a G19 is well supported afterwards and on the weekends. I’ll probably order an enhanced version and dedicate the standard for work. I don’t get the complaints about the buckle size. It’s just fine for me. |
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Originally Posted By TheMercenary: I ended up with the standard version, and it’s my new favorite belt. Can’t carry at work, but a G19 is well supported afterwards and on the weekends. I’ll probably order an enhanced version and dedicate the standard for work. I don’t get the complaints about the buckle size. It’s just fine for me. I started with the standard and it was able to do everything I need it to but they ran a scratch and dint sale so I picked up an enhanced. I just remembered I gave my standard to my dad but I used to use it for outside working like mowing and misc other stuff. The complaints about the belt buckle do not make sense when cobra buckles exist but I think it relates to AIWB people who want to keep the buckle centered on the gig line instead of shifting to the side. |
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Originally Posted By Wespe: Blue Alpha Gear works best for me. I’ve tried Volund Gear Works, Wilderness, Ares Aegis and several others. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20524/FF0F43F3-0C1A-441C-A85B-D7ABCF470E98_jpe-2648281.JPG This is my opinion as well |
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Originally Posted By laxman09: Mastermind Tactics Specialist https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55feeb7fe4b056e1721e55fd/1621100909711-BFNTP0DF4OIIMGFVF5IC/DSC_9120.jpg?format=1000w ETA: Get a carry pillow for your AIWB rig, too. Their belt is truly the answer and priced fantastic for the level of quality. |
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Originally Posted By Wespe: Blue Alpha Gear works best for me. I've tried Volund Gear Works, Wilderness, Ares Aegis and several others. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20524/FF0F43F3-0C1A-441C-A85B-D7ABCF470E98_jpe-2648281.JPG |
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Originally Posted By Wespe: Blue Alpha Gear works best for me. I’ve tried Volund Gear Works, Wilderness, Ares Aegis and several others. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20524/FF0F43F3-0C1A-441C-A85B-D7ABCF470E98_jpe-2648281.JPG This is what I wear everyday |
| I've been carrying with the Mastermind Tactics Specialist belt since sometime last year. I liked it, but I carry a full size gun. At some point I decided to try my 5.11 1.75" Operator belt (copy of a Wilderness belt) and like the added support/rigidity over the Specialist belt. I was using metal clips on the Specialist but switched to the 1.75" plastic clips for the Operator belt and they work as well and are easier to use in my opinion. They were just too big for the Specialist belt and allowed a holster to shift too much. |
My favorite belt was the Deltech Force Super Bio, it is a good belt. But I've recently switched over to a slimmer belt from North West Retention and I like the minimalist G-hook buckle a lot. It's easy to adjust in/out and it holds the weight of a full-size L-frame 686 (4" or 5") with 2 speedloaders/moon-clips (depending on what model I'm carrying). I honestly like both and will keep both. But the NW did require me to do a little modification to the velcro, I shortened the adjustment on it a bit and resewn the velcro just to shorten the excess length of it. Also the first time I tried putting it on, it was extremely difficult because of the rubberized coating. So I drenched the belt in some silicone-lube which made slipping on my leather pancake holster a heck of a lot easier. This is probably not going to be any issue for those that run slip-on clip type holsters. But if you're like me, and actually prefer the 'old fashioned' pull through style holsters, you may find you need to add a bit of silicone to the surface to get your holsters/pouches to slip on... |
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Originally Posted By laxman09: Mastermind Tactics Specialist https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/55feeb7fe4b056e1721e55fd/1621100909711-BFNTP0DF4OIIMGFVF5IC/DSC_9120.jpg?format=1000w ETA: Get a carry pillow for your AIWB rig, too. Agreed, Master Mind belt, pillow...with a JM 2.5 |
| My personal favorite is the Hunter Constantine belt link, which Tier 1 uses as their EDC-S belt. Works wonderfully with my G43 and spare mag. But for heavier guns, like my comp’d G19 with Acro and X300, I prefer a thicker belt like the Ares Aegis. I just put the buckle off to the side at about 1-1:30, in between the first and second belt loops. Works great there and solves the issue with buckle printing. |
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Originally Posted By WhisperPickle: My personal favorite is the Hunter Constantine belt, which Tier 1 uses as their EDC-S belt. Works wonderfully with my G43 and spare mag. But for heavier guns, like my comp’d G19 with Acro and X300, I prefer a thicker belt like the Ares Aegis. I just put the buckle off to the side at about 1-1:30, in between the first and second belt loops. Works great there and solves the issue with buckle printing. Similar concept, but I just got an Agonic EDB to try out since the stiffness of my Blue Alpha belt around my hips and lower back may be contributing to the aggravation of issues I have from the army and LE. Unlike the Constantine, the elastic sections are sewn in cells. Their thing is you can hide survival stuff in it, but I like it because it provides a middle ground between traditional belts and a large continuous piece of elastic band that despite claims, I don't trust to hold up over time. Having it sewn in sections should provide more support to the elastic so it lasts longer. Time will tell. Agonic EDB |
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Vedder V3 Vedder V3 is your answer. Almost no buckle, quick on off, and you don't have to run the Velcro all the time. |
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Tenicor Zero is all I wear now. People complain about the buckle but it gets easier to adjust with use. My previous choice was an Aegis. Loved that belt. But the buckle failed on me one day while out in public. To be fair, it was several years old and worn daily. I could have done periodic inspections and avoided it, but it’s a belt. The thought never crossed my mind Nothing to go wrong in the Zero. It weighs nothing, and doesn’t have a giant buckle. |
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Originally Posted By Cooper1: Vedder V3 |
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I carry a G19 or G48 with TLR-7 and an optic in a Tenicor Sagax Lux II every day. For a year and a half I have been using a Kore belt and have been relatively pleased. It has sood up to daily use and is in excellent condition. The stiffness is perfect for me and has no problem supporting whatever I hang off of it. My only quibble is the overall length of the buckle. I find myself haveing to offset the buckle to the 10 o'clock position for it to not be too obtrusive. I tried a Zero belt and found that it was not stiff enough for me. I also found it a little fiddly to undo/redue and make adjustmemts. My first foray into a "tactical edc belt" was a Vedder Cobra. I gave that away after a week. It was difficult to thread through belt loops, the buckle never rested flat, and minor adjustments were a chore. I also despise velcro for either adjustment or as a closure on a belt. I just ordered a Mastermind Tactics All Purpose Belt with the rigid core and look forward to trying it out. It seems like it will be relatively easy to adjust throughout the day and it looks like the buckle will be much less obtrusive. I have high hopes for this belt and already use a Mastermind Tactics mag pouch every day. Mastermind Tactics All Purpose Belt |
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Originally Posted By Wespe: Blue Alpha Gear works best for me. I’ve tried Volund Gear Works, Wilderness, Ares Aegis and several others. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/20524/FF0F43F3-0C1A-441C-A85B-D7ABCF470E98_jpe-2648281.JPG I, too, use one of these. When I got it I was kinda underwhelmed by it's appearance vs the price. That was a couple years ago and it's been fantastic. Very low profile and minimalist, but does the job perfectly. |