Posted: 4/3/2025 6:09:28 PM EDT
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Has anyone seen/handled one yet? Looks like it is the same size as my old 2011 (.40 S&W). https://eaacorp.com/product/girsan-witness2311-match-x/ |
| Looks like a straight up 2011 copy so it probably is the same size. I don’t see people talking about these much. It seems like the Tisas and Mac are the main ones getting attention. |
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I bought one a week ago at a local show. I actually went to the show to see if I could find a MAC but an ffl dealer I have known for years, had one on his tables. Initially I walked around the show after seeing it and looked for a MAC but none were to be found. In fact I couldn't find one 2311/2011 pistol with a comp. I came back to his tables and handled it again and told him I would take it. In the process of buying it, there were 2 other guys wanting to buy it and were asking where it went. The owner just pointed at me and said that guy got it. I like the way it feels in the hand and that the comp is built onto the barrel. I have yet to test it out but from reviews on Youtube, they seem like good, flat shooters. I think some of the reason that not many people are talking about them is that there aren't many out there just yet. |
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| I don't understand why they went aluminum frame on the X and steel on the Match. Seems weird to me. Only thing I can figure is that they were trying to even it out with the heavier barrel but I'd like to see the actual parts breakdown. |
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Cool, glad someone here finally got one. Some feedback after you get a chance to do live fire testing would be much appreciated. Originally Posted By patw: I bought one a week ago at a local show. I actually went to the show to see if I could find a MAC but an ffl dealer I have known for years, had one on his tables. Initially I walked around the show after seeing it and looked for a MAC but none were to be found. In fact I couldn't find one 2311/2011 pistol with a comp. I came back to his tables and handled it again and told him I would take it. In the process of buying it, there were 2 other guys wanting to buy it and were asking where it went. The owner just pointed at me and said that guy got it. I like the way it feels in the hand and that the comp is built onto the barrel. I have yet to test it out but from reviews on Youtube, they seem like good, flat shooters. I think some of the reason that not many people are talking about them is that there aren't many out there just yet. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I don't understand why they went aluminum frame on the X and steel on the Match. Seems weird to me. Only thing I can figure is that they were trying to even it out with the heavier barrel but I'd like to see the actual parts breakdown. Yeah that's a little odd, but perhaps you're right about trying to keep the weight down. |
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Originally Posted By bravo5two: Yeah that's a little odd, but perhaps you're right about trying to keep the weight down. Originally Posted By bravo5two: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I don't understand why they went aluminum frame on the X and steel on the Match. Seems weird to me. Only thing I can figure is that they were trying to even it out with the heavier barrel but I'd like to see the actual parts breakdown. Yeah that's a little odd, but perhaps you're right about trying to keep the weight down. They list them at the same weight which I’m doubtful of but who knows. Lots of times the company gets lazy with specs. |
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I haven’t got it to the range yet but my LGS did tweak the 4.5 lbs trigger down to a crisp 3.5 lbs with no creep. The slide action is super smooth and no doubt will be a smooth and flat shooter. I did remove the mag well as it’s way too big and bulky. I hope a smaller version will be available at some point. While I like the k footprint cause I like the EPS sight, not real thrilled with not having a rear sight. Wish that was better thought out ! Still…. Overall I’m impressed …. 
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Originally Posted By M60-E4: I haven’t got it to the range yet but my LGS did tweak the 4.5 lbs trigger down to a crisp 3.5 lbs with no creep. The slide action is super smooth and no doubt will be a smooth and flat shooter. I did remove the mag well as it’s way too big and bulky. I hope a smaller version will be available at some point. While I like the k footprint cause I like the EPS sight, not real thrilled with not having a rear sight. Wish that was better thought out ! Still…. Overall I’m impressed …. https://i.imgur.com/itr9u7Y.jpeg Wow!!! Nice score! I'm green with envy. I've not bought or had any desires to buy another pistol after my go to FFL passed away during Covid (combination of cancer and pneumonia/covid related), but this Match X really perked my interest in getting one for the 3 gun game. Regarding the magwell, I don't think anyone makes one smaller. My 2011 has the original STI magwell on and I hardly noticed it after a few months. |
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@M60-E4 Have you shot it yet? That frame mounted comp is something I’ve wanted for awhile. I just keep hearing bad stuff about Girsan. Also that Al fram seems problematic. All the YouTube reviews I’ve seen are positive but with cherry picking and paid promotions… Have been thinking of trading off my Staccato CS for something comped or having it cut. |
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Originally Posted By Karankawa: @M60-E4 Have you shot it yet? That frame mounted comp is something I’ve wanted for awhile. I just keep hearing bad stuff about Girsan. Also that Al fram seems problematic. All the YouTube reviews I’ve seen are positive but with cherry picking and paid promotions… Have been thinking of trading off my Staccato CS for something comped or having it cut. The comp is part of the barrel and not mounted to the frame. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: The comp is part of the barrel and not mounted to the frame. Well that’s a bummer. As in threaded on? I already have a Parker Mountain comped Walther. Was wanting to try something different. Partly for flatter shooting but also for night shooting with white light. Tried loading up some extra gassy ammo but couldn’t tell any difference. Haven’t seen one in person and assumed it locked into the comp as a bushing somehow. |
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Originally Posted By Karankawa: Well that’s a bummer. As in threaded on? I already have a Parker Mountain comped Walther. Was wanting to try something different. Partly for flatter shooting but also for night shooting with white light. Tried loading up some extra gassy ammo but couldn’t tell any difference. Haven’t seen one in person and assumed it locked into the comp as a bushing somehow. Originally Posted By Karankawa: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: The comp is part of the barrel and not mounted to the frame. Well that’s a bummer. As in threaded on? I already have a Parker Mountain comped Walther. Was wanting to try something different. Partly for flatter shooting but also for night shooting with white light. Tried loading up some extra gassy ammo but couldn’t tell any difference. Haven’t seen one in person and assumed it locked into the comp as a bushing somehow. I'm not entirely sure what you are describing or why you would prefer that. The comp being part of the barrel is a pretty solid setup just like threaded on comps but without the trouble of timing or fastening. With a tilting barrel gun I'm not sure how a frame mounted comp would work. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I'm not entirely sure what you are describing or why you would prefer that. The comp being part of the barrel is a pretty solid setup just like threaded on comps but without the trouble of timing or fastening. With a tilting barrel gun I'm not sure how a frame mounted comp would work. My thinking was maximum leverage at the muzzle and lighter moving mass. My Walther ran 100% until I installed a comp then it needed a lighter spring to travel enough to eject. Now the slide seems slower and less capable of feeding. I assume this is due to friction from the comp driving the barrel into the slide. Never read up on how this stuff works, I just like to tinker. It seems to me that if the barrel could decouple from the comp the slide could operate basically unchanged from a standard pistol. No added weight, friction or change in cycling speed or force. Guess I need to educate myself on how this stuff works instead wasting time and money. My left hand has nerve damage and doesn’t grip as firmly as when I was young. When I was 25 I could climb those rock walls at the gym without using my legs at all. Now I’m chasing gimmicks to be a capable shooter. Gas pedals, weights, custom ammo. I can shoot more accurately than all but one of my friends but I’d like to go faster. At least double tap quickly. Sorry to derail. |
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Originally Posted By Karankawa: My thinking was maximum leverage at the muzzle and lighter moving mass. My Walther ran 100% until I installed a comp then it needed a lighter spring to travel enough to eject. Now the slide seems slower and less capable of feeding. I assume this is due to friction from the comp driving the barrel into the slide. Never read up on how this stuff works, I just like to tinker. It seems to me that if the barrel could decouple from the comp the slide could operate basically unchanged from a standard pistol. No added weight, friction or change in cycling speed or force. Guess I need to educate myself on how this stuff works instead wasting time and money. My left hand has nerve damage and doesn’t grip as firmly as when I was young. When I was 25 I could climb those rock walls at the gym without using my legs at all. Now I’m chasing gimmicks to be a capable shooter. Gas pedals, weights, custom ammo. I can shoot more accurately than all but one of my friends but I’d like to go faster. At least double tap quickly. Sorry to derail. Originally Posted By Karankawa: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I'm not entirely sure what you are describing or why you would prefer that. The comp being part of the barrel is a pretty solid setup just like threaded on comps but without the trouble of timing or fastening. With a tilting barrel gun I'm not sure how a frame mounted comp would work. My thinking was maximum leverage at the muzzle and lighter moving mass. My Walther ran 100% until I installed a comp then it needed a lighter spring to travel enough to eject. Now the slide seems slower and less capable of feeding. I assume this is due to friction from the comp driving the barrel into the slide. Never read up on how this stuff works, I just like to tinker. It seems to me that if the barrel could decouple from the comp the slide could operate basically unchanged from a standard pistol. No added weight, friction or change in cycling speed or force. Guess I need to educate myself on how this stuff works instead wasting time and money. My left hand has nerve damage and doesn’t grip as firmly as when I was young. When I was 25 I could climb those rock walls at the gym without using my legs at all. Now I’m chasing gimmicks to be a capable shooter. Gas pedals, weights, custom ammo. I can shoot more accurately than all but one of my friends but I’d like to go faster. At least double tap quickly. Sorry to derail. Any time you change stuff around you might need tuning. You still get all the advantages you are describing with the barrel comp. Extra weight out front that is non reciprocating along with the gas redirection. It's one of the best ways to tame muzzle flip and recoil which is why it's the go to on competition guns. Usually when they are factory equipped they are already tuned so you shouldn't have function issues. Any heavy 9mm is nice to shoot. 2011's without comps or brakes are already really nice to shoot. Anything ported or comped is going to throw some flame when shooting at night with some powders worse than others. |
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Any time you change stuff around you might need tuning. You still get all the advantages you are describing with the barrel comp. Extra weight out front that is non reciprocating along with the gas redirection. It's one of the best ways to tame muzzle flip and recoil which is why it's the go to on competition guns. Usually when they are factory equipped they are already tuned so you shouldn't have function issues. Any heavy 9mm is nice to shoot. 2011's without comps or brakes are already really nice to shoot. Anything ported or comped is going to throw some flame when shooting at night with some powders worse than others. It’s the moving weight that I’d like to keep down. My newest project has a heavier recoil spring guide, a heavy light, brass mag well and weighted back strap. And 26 rd mags. Pretty easy to keep on target. I read somewhere decades ago that flash from ported barrels kills night vision. Maybe that had some truth back when D cell mag lights were the best thing going. Now muzzle smoke down range is the biggest problem we have at night. With my comped gun I was ringing steel like crazy while my buddy couldn’t ID targets. I used gassy powders to drive the comp. Tried AutoComp and Accurate #7 maybe? Now I’m thinking it would be fun to run something really flashy. See if I could get a fireball pic of someone shooting it. Reading online from people that seem to know about comps is contradictory. Some say the bigger the port the more effective, even with 9mm. Others say that’s just not possible with such a low volume cartridge. That makes the drilled barrel ports venting through windowed slides seem like the way to go. But I used to shoot .44 loaded hot enough to feel the pressure pop into my soul and loved it. Now spicy .357 gets old fast. What a whimp I’ve become. 
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Finally got to the range today. I have the say the pistol shot great. It was very accurate and super smooth with minimal recoil. I put 250 rounds through it with zero malfunctions. I am running the 124 gr recoil spring as I’m using 124 gr FMJ and GDHPs. I do have a few issues to address. 1. Not happy with the rail system as my Surefire 300UB will not move back to the notch allowing it to rest against the trigger guard. This makes the light protrude past the muzzle which I do not like. I tried both my 300U and 300 UB with the same results. I tried removing the insert and just using the tightening screw on the UB but it moved forward to the point of almost coming off under fire. 2. The front sight insert also tried to back out. I gonna insert a new one and hopefully it will stay in place. The iron sights are pretty good overall. The adjustments are easy and the clicks are solid. 3. The grip module is sub par. I’m gonna look at a few different ones but need to verify the grip safety dimensions to make sure whatever one I go with will work with the factory grip safety. Id hate to have to go to the pain of blending a new one in order to use a aftermarket grip module. It will be interesting to see a few of these modded with better grip modules, ignition systems, etc…. I’m pretty sure you could get one of these close to an XC at about half the cost. |
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Originally Posted By M60-E4: Finally got to the range today. I have the say the pistol shot great. It was very accurate and super smooth with minimal recoil. I put 250 rounds through it with zero malfunctions. I am running the 124 gr recoil spring as I’m using 124 gr FMJ and GDHPs. I do have a few issues to address. 1. Not happy with the rail system as my Surefire 300UB will not move back to the notch allowing it to rest against the trigger guard. This makes the light protrude past the muzzle which I do not like. I tried both my 300U and 300 UB with the same results. I tried removing the insert and just using the tightening screw on the UB but it moved forward to the point of almost coming off under fire. 2. The front sight insert also tried to back out. I gonna insert a new one and hopefully it will stay in place. The iron sights are pretty good overall. The adjustments are easy and the clicks are solid. 3. The grip module is sub par. I’m gonna look at a few different ones but need to verify the grip safety dimensions to make sure whatever one I go with will work with the factory grip safety. Id hate to have to go to the pain of blending a new one in order to use a aftermarket grip module. It will be interesting to see a few of these modded with better grip modules, ignition systems, etc…. I’m pretty sure you could get one of these close to an XC at about half the cost. Interesting... The turks are getting pretty good at 2011 considering the price point. They can definitly be cleaned up to give up very little to much more expensive pistols. Question, hows the trigger and action? The last couple Turks I checked out a few weeks back had a nice finish but had a heavy trigger and clunky action because of the barrel bump, but those were a mac and a tisas. looks like a fun project gun. |
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That looks awesome. |