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8/7/2023 7:06:18 PM EDT
So I bought a P12. Wanting to put an Ambi safety on it. Have my eye on a Wilson Combat tactical. Are there any issues with fitment due to the Para's double stack frame?
8/7/2023 7:21:38 PM EDT
[#1]
Wide frame means no single stack safety.  You’ll have to find a compatible one
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton
8/7/2023 7:46:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Should be good to go with standard 1911 thumb safetys.
8/7/2023 11:27:03 PM EDT
[#3]
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Should be good to go with standard 1911 thumb safetys.
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Hang on.  I have paras and single stacks.  How could the same safety for a single stack work on a much wider frame? It can’t.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton
8/8/2023 12:06:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By DVCER:


Hang on.  I have paras and single stacks.  How could the same safety for a single stack work on a much wider frame? It can’t.
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Because the frame is actually not wider where it matters. It’s only the grip that is wider and slims down around where the mag rear ends. Main spring housing, thumb and grip safeties are 1911.
The only different parts specific to Para are the trigger bow and the mag catch. Everything else is 1911 spec.
8/8/2023 12:12:56 AM EDT
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Damn I think you are correct. Para does taper back up there.

I’m thinking about my DS1911 .  Wider up there.  Good catch.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton
8/8/2023 10:38:03 AM EDT
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I think the only non standard parts in the fat para frames are the trigger and mag catch. And grips of course.
Already mentioned, disregard
8/8/2023 7:18:48 PM EDT
[#7]
Thanks for the info.
8/16/2023 1:17:25 AM EDT
[#8]
Pick from the selection of standard 1911 ambi safeties.

But…
It’s a 1911.
It’s not unlikely it will not be a drop in and need to be fitted.
8/16/2023 3:45:25 AM EDT
[#9]
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a para
The problem with most ambi safeties are the right side paddle is retained by a tab fits in a cut out in the grips or frame, paras don’t have them
I used the old kings gun works ambi safety that had a tongue and groove setup with the hammer pin and right side paddle
EGW make one that is similar
https://www.egwguns.com/1911-parts/?frame_components=923
8/16/2023 2:30:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By supercomp:
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a para
The problem with most ambi safeties are the right side paddle is retained by a tab fits in a cut out in the grips or frame, paras don’t have them
I used the old kings gun works ambi safety that had a tongue and groove setup with the hammer pin and right side paddle
EGW make one that is similar
https://www.egwguns.com/1911-parts/?frame_components=923
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That little tab style slipped my mind.

@SAR1 you mentioned wanting a wilson tactical ambi safety. Wilson makes both styles- grip retained tactical and a hammer pin retained tactical model like supercomp mentioned. You don't want grip retained.
8/16/2023 2:43:11 PM EDT
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Double
8/22/2023 9:25:59 PM EDT
[#12]
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:


That little tab style slipped my mind.

@SAR1 you mentioned wanting a wilson tactical ambi safety. Wilson makes both styles- grip retained tactical and a hammer pin retained tactical model like supercomp mentioned. You don't want grip retained.
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Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By supercomp:
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a para
The problem with most ambi safeties are the right side paddle is retained by a tab fits in a cut out in the grips or frame, paras don’t have them
I used the old kings gun works ambi safety that had a tongue and groove setup with the hammer pin and right side paddle
EGW make one that is similar
https://www.egwguns.com/1911-parts/?frame_components=923


That little tab style slipped my mind.

@SAR1 you mentioned wanting a wilson tactical ambi safety. Wilson makes both styles- grip retained tactical and a hammer pin retained tactical model like supercomp mentioned. You don't want grip retained.


This isn't correct.  The double stack Para's can use grip-retained ambi safety's just fine.  Look at your grips and see if they have a groove cut for the safety retaining tab.  All of my Para's and double stack Remingtons (same design) do.  Stock image below showing the tab.

8/24/2023 9:18:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BobTheGreat:


This isn't correct.  The double stack Para's can use grip-retained ambi safety's just fine.  Look at your grips and see if they have a groove cut for the safety retaining tab.  All of my Para's and double stack Remingtons (same design) do.  Stock image below showing the tab.

https://paraordnanceguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/SS79091-510x356.jpg
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Originally Posted By BobTheGreat:
Originally Posted By RiverSwine45:
Originally Posted By supercomp:
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a para
The problem with most ambi safeties are the right side paddle is retained by a tab fits in a cut out in the grips or frame, paras don’t have them
I used the old kings gun works ambi safety that had a tongue and groove setup with the hammer pin and right side paddle
EGW make one that is similar
https://www.egwguns.com/1911-parts/?frame_components=923


That little tab style slipped my mind.

@SAR1 you mentioned wanting a wilson tactical ambi safety. Wilson makes both styles- grip retained tactical and a hammer pin retained tactical model like supercomp mentioned. You don't want grip retained.


This isn't correct.  The double stack Para's can use grip-retained ambi safety's just fine.  Look at your grips and see if they have a groove cut for the safety retaining tab.  All of my Para's and double stack Remingtons (same design) do.  Stock image below showing the tab.

https://paraordnanceguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/SS79091-510x356.jpg


With the factory grips on my old Canadian P12-45 those won't work.

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It's my only para unfortunately.
8/24/2023 7:07:21 PM EDT
[#14]
Good to know that some of them don't have the groove in the grips.  I wonder if that was true across the board in particular years or only on certain models.  I've only seen the other type.
8/28/2023 4:49:45 PM EDT
[#15]
Grips, grip screws, triggers, and mag release are the only parts that don't interchange.
12/15/2023 11:19:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ramairthree:
Pick from the selection of standard 1911 ambi safeties.

But…
It’s a 1911.
It’s not unlikely it will not be a drop in and need to be fitted.
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This.

Both my Limiteds have ambis.

I have been taking them out and beating them like it’s the 90s again a little bit.

As mentioned, they use standard 1911 ones.

I was going to add on wider ones like my stainless to blue one.

Keep in mind you don’t drop parts in like a Glock or beretta 92 or something.
87% of the time they will need some fitting








12/15/2023 11:21:10 AM EDT
[#17]
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Originally Posted By ramairthree:
Pick from the selection of standard 1911 ambi safeties.

But…
It’s a 1911.
It’s not unlikely it will not be a drop in and need to be fitted.
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This.

Both my Limiteds have ambis.

I have been taking them out and beating them like it’s the 90s again a little bit.

As mentioned, they use standard 1911 ones.

I was going to add on wider ones like my stainless to blue one.

Keep in mind you don’t drop parts in like a Glock or beretta 92 or something.
87% of the time they will need some fitting








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