[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Military Production M17 (Page 2 of 2)
| I just noticed while looking at the military production M17 again that both it and the M18 use the full size slide stop lever, rather than the smaller one on the commercial models. Even the original military issue pistols with the coyote controls used the full size lever, so I'm not sure why SIG chose to use the smaller one on the commercial pistols. I updated my post above outlining the differences with that additional info. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Both my M11-A1 and M18 shoot left about 3 inches at 15 yards or so. You might want to consider swapping out the M18 trigger for SIG’s flat trigger. Not too difficult to do at home, but definitely watch a couple videos, because it’s a little “fiddlely.” I find that the flat trigger helps me with a more consistent reward pull to avoid sideways pressure that may throw off your point of impact. Flat trigger is a must! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52879240169_aa552fb695_k.jpg What rear sight is that and how is it mounted ? |
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Quoted: What rear sight is that and how is it mounted ? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Both my M11-A1 and M18 shoot left about 3 inches at 15 yards or so. You might want to consider swapping out the M18 trigger for SIG’s flat trigger. Not too difficult to do at home, but definitely watch a couple videos, because it’s a little “fiddlely.” I find that the flat trigger helps me with a more consistent reward pull to avoid sideways pressure that may throw off your point of impact. Flat trigger is a must! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52879240169_aa552fb695_k.jpg What rear sight is that and how is it mounted ? XS rear sight for Glock that is set with set screws. FCD plates use Glock dovetail. There is no cowitness as I want no obstruction in the red dot sight. I had a spare XS sight so I put it in to fill the spot. |
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Quoted: You might want to consider swapping out the M18 trigger for SIG's flat trigger. Not too difficult to do at home, but definitely watch a couple videos, because it's a little "fiddlely." I find that the flat trigger helps me with a more consistent reward pull to avoid sideways pressure that may throw off your point of impact. Quoted: I ordered the skeletonized flat triggers for my .mil M17 and M18. Sig Guy on YouTube has a great video on replacing the P320 triggers. Quoted: Great choice, I have one in my M17 and it is fantastic. |
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Quoted: Which ones did you get? I like the feel, function, and look of SIG’s standard flat trigger: SIG P320 Flat Trigger 90 Deg Break I installed it on both my carry M18s, but I’ve held off on changing my M17s because I wanted to stick with the military curved trigger for training purposes. Attached File It really does feel much better, so I may change my M17s eventually, especially since it’s very unlikely I’ll ever be issued an M17 before I retire. |
| I went with the Sig Skeletonized trigger in my M17 and M18. Will post a photo shortly. I have the same trigger installed in my department issued full-size P320 and really like it. I also added Gas Pedal takedown levers and Align Tactical offset magazine releases (one installed and one is in order). |
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I just received a medium XCarry grip module in the mail yesterday and did the safety cutout modification last night. It was even easier than the Wilson Combat grips, because the outline for the cutout is very prominent on the SIG module. Attached File I agree with others who said that SIG really should have used this grip on the military M17s. It looks and feels better than the standard grip. However, I have to say that the Wilson Combat grip is still much more comfortable to me, personally. The SIG grip feels very blocky, in fact very similar to... a Glock. My thumb doesn't reach the mag release as easily as it does on the WC grip - it's easier to break my grip slightly and rotate it to hit the release. The bump out on the sides for the beavertail also makes it more difficult for me to manipulate the safety, although it's still doable. I may try the small version of the XCarry grip to see if it fits my hand better. I don't have small hands (I wear a size 10 glove), so it's odd to me that it still feels too large. The WC grip definitely wins out where they thinned the distance from the web of your hand (thumb and index finger) to the trigger guard. It's also more rounded on the sides, which fills the palm of my hand more comfortable, where the XCarry grip is squared off and flat on the sides... like a Glock. I'd like to keep a SIG factory grip on this pistol though, as a more plausible military configuration (sort of "clone-ish"), since the XSeries grips are available to the military. I'll take it to the range and see how it feels. |
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Quoted: I just received a medium XCarry grip module in the mail yesterday and did the safety cutout modification last night. It was even easier than the Wilson Combat grips, because the outline for the cutout is very prominent on the SIG module. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/M17_07_jpg-2816483.JPG I agree with others who said that SIG really should have used this grip on the military M17s. It looks and feels better than the standard grip. However, I have to say that the Wilson Combat grip is still much more comfortable to me, personally. The SIG grip feels very blocky, in fact very similar to... a Glock. My thumb doesn't reach the mag release as easily as it does on the WC grip - it's easier to break my grip slightly and rotate it to hit the release. The bump out on the sides for the beavertail also makes it more difficult for me to manipulate the safety, although it's still doable. I may try the small version of the XCarry grip to see if it fits my hand better. I don't have small hands (I wear a size 10 glove), so it's odd to me that it still feels too large. The WC grip definitely wins out where they thinned the distance from the web of your hand (thumb and index finger) to the trigger guard. It's also more rounded on the sides, which fills the palm of my hand more comfortable, where the XCarry grip is squared off and flat on the sides... like a Glock. I'd like to keep a SIG factory grip on this pistol though, as a more plausible military configuration (sort of "clone-ish"), since the XSeries grips are available to the military. I'll take it to the range and see how it feels. 
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Quoted: Quoted: I just received a medium XCarry grip module in the mail yesterday and did the safety cutout modification last night. It was even easier than the Wilson Combat grips, because the outline for the cutout is very prominent on the SIG module. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/M17_07_jpg-2816483.JPG I agree with others who said that SIG really should have used this grip on the military M17s. It looks and feels better than the standard grip. However, I have to say that the Wilson Combat grip is still much more comfortable to me, personally. The SIG grip feels very blocky, in fact very similar to... a Glock. My thumb doesn't reach the mag release as easily as it does on the WC grip - it's easier to break my grip slightly and rotate it to hit the release. The bump out on the sides for the beavertail also makes it more difficult for me to manipulate the safety, although it's still doable. I may try the small version of the XCarry grip to see if it fits my hand better. I don't have small hands (I wear a size 10 glove), so it's odd to me that it still feels too large. The WC grip definitely wins out where they thinned the distance from the web of your hand (thumb and index finger) to the trigger guard. It's also more rounded on the sides, which fills the palm of my hand more comfortable, where the XCarry grip is squared off and flat on the sides... like a Glock. I'd like to keep a SIG factory grip on this pistol though, as a more plausible military configuration (sort of "clone-ish"), since the XSeries grips are available to the military. I'll take it to the range and see how it feels. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LinearFickleHarrier-size_restricted.gif Ha! It does look pretty darn good. I think I'm going to order the small XCarry module and compare the two. I'll put the one I don't use up on the EE in case anyone's wanting to try it but doesn't feel like doing the safety slot modification. |
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Quoted: Ha! It does look pretty darn good. I think I'm going to order the small XCarry module and compare the two. I'll put the one I don't use up on the EE in case anyone's wanting to try it but doesn't feel like doing the safety slot modification. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just received a medium XCarry grip module in the mail yesterday and did the safety cutout modification last night. It was even easier than the Wilson Combat grips, because the outline for the cutout is very prominent on the SIG module. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/M17_07_jpg-2816483.JPG I agree with others who said that SIG really should have used this grip on the military M17s. It looks and feels better than the standard grip. However, I have to say that the Wilson Combat grip is still much more comfortable to me, personally. The SIG grip feels very blocky, in fact very similar to... a Glock. My thumb doesn't reach the mag release as easily as it does on the WC grip - it's easier to break my grip slightly and rotate it to hit the release. The bump out on the sides for the beavertail also makes it more difficult for me to manipulate the safety, although it's still doable. I may try the small version of the XCarry grip to see if it fits my hand better. I don't have small hands (I wear a size 10 glove), so it's odd to me that it still feels too large. The WC grip definitely wins out where they thinned the distance from the web of your hand (thumb and index finger) to the trigger guard. It's also more rounded on the sides, which fills the palm of my hand more comfortable, where the XCarry grip is squared off and flat on the sides... like a Glock. I'd like to keep a SIG factory grip on this pistol though, as a more plausible military configuration (sort of "clone-ish"), since the XSeries grips are available to the military. I'll take it to the range and see how it feels. https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LinearFickleHarrier-size_restricted.gif Ha! It does look pretty darn good. I think I'm going to order the small XCarry module and compare the two. I'll put the one I don't use up on the EE in case anyone's wanting to try it but doesn't feel like doing the safety slot modification. Did one safety slot modification and then ended up doing the safety delete pin. |
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What torque wrench kit is that ? |
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Quoted: I just received a medium XCarry grip module in the mail yesterday and did the safety cutout modification last night. It was even easier than the Wilson Combat grips, because the outline for the cutout is very prominent on the SIG module. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/M17_07_jpg-2816483.JPG I agree with others who said that SIG really should have used this grip on the military M17s. It looks and feels better than the standard grip. However, I have to say that the Wilson Combat grip is still much more comfortable to me, personally. The SIG grip feels very blocky, in fact very similar to... a Glock. My thumb doesn't reach the mag release as easily as it does on the WC grip - it's easier to break my grip slightly and rotate it to hit the release. The bump out on the sides for the beavertail also makes it more difficult for me to manipulate the safety, although it's still doable. I may try the small version of the XCarry grip to see if it fits my hand better. I don't have small hands (I wear a size 10 glove), so it's odd to me that it still feels too large. The WC grip definitely wins out where they thinned the distance from the web of your hand (thumb and index finger) to the trigger guard. It's also more rounded on the sides, which fills the palm of my hand more comfortable, where the XCarry grip is squared off and flat on the sides... like a Glock. I'd like to keep a SIG factory grip on this pistol though, as a more plausible military configuration (sort of "clone-ish"), since the XSeries grips are available to the military. I'll take it to the range and see how it feels. What did you use to cut the grip ? |
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Quoted: What did you use to cut the grip ? I dabble in building plastic models (something I enjoy but don’t have much time for), and I like tools, so I have a bunch of hobby tools that I use for doing these. A lot of people will use a Dremel with some sort of cutting bit for these projects, but I find that they tend to slip and gouge things at the worst possible time. I prefer to go a little slower with hand tools. It takes me about 20 minutes to do one, and I’ve done four Wilson Combat grips and the X Series Carry grip so far. The outline for the cutouts is very prominent on the X Series grip, a little less so on Wilson Combat’s grips. I start by using an Xacto blade to scribe the outline of the cutout a little deeper so it’s easier to see while I’m working. Then I use an appropriate sized drill bit (I’m blanking on the size right now) in a handheld pin vise to drill three holes in a line inside the cutout outline. Next I use a sharp set of sprue cutters like these to cut out most of the plastic inside the outline (connecting the holes I drilled). I carve out the rounded bottom of the slot with the Xacto and then clean up the slot with round and flat needle files and sanding sticks (like emory boards from a drug store). That may be more trouble than some people want to go to, but it works well for me and gives me clean results. There’s a template sold on eBay for the safety cutouts, but I find it easy to follow the lines that are already marked on the grip module, so I’d rather spend the money on other small tools myself. I’ll post a photo of the outline on the X Series grip tomorrow. Gotta hit the hay. |
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Quoted: I dabble in building plastic models (something I enjoy but don't have much time for), and I like tools, so I have a bunch of hobby tools that I use for doing these. A lot of people will use a Dremel with some sort of cutting bit for these projects, but I find that they tend to slip and gouge things at the worst possible time. I prefer to go a little slower with hand tools. It takes me about 20 minutes to do one, and I've done four Wilson Combat grips and the X Series Carry grip so far. The outline for the cutouts is very prominent on the X Series grip, a little less so on Wilson Combat's grips. I start by using an Xacto blade to scribe the outline of the cutout a little deeper so it's easier to see while I'm working. Then I use an appropriate sized drill bit (I'm blanking on the size right now) in a handheld pin vise to drill three holes in a line inside the cutout outline. Next I use a sharp set of sprue cutters like these to cut out most of the plastic inside the outline (connecting the holes I drilled). I carve out the rounded bottom of the slot with the Xacto and then clean up the slot with round and flat needle files and sanding sticks (like emory boards from a drug store). That may be more trouble than some people want to go to, but it works well for me and gives me clean results. There's a template sold on eBay for the safety cutouts, but I find it easy to follow the lines that are already marked on the grip module, so I'd rather spend the money on other small tools myself. I'll post a photo of the outline on the X Series grip tomorrow. Gotta hit the hay. Quoted: Quoted: What did you use to cut the grip ? I dabble in building plastic models (something I enjoy but don't have much time for), and I like tools, so I have a bunch of hobby tools that I use for doing these. A lot of people will use a Dremel with some sort of cutting bit for these projects, but I find that they tend to slip and gouge things at the worst possible time. I prefer to go a little slower with hand tools. It takes me about 20 minutes to do one, and I've done four Wilson Combat grips and the X Series Carry grip so far. The outline for the cutouts is very prominent on the X Series grip, a little less so on Wilson Combat's grips. I start by using an Xacto blade to scribe the outline of the cutout a little deeper so it's easier to see while I'm working. Then I use an appropriate sized drill bit (I'm blanking on the size right now) in a handheld pin vise to drill three holes in a line inside the cutout outline. Next I use a sharp set of sprue cutters like these to cut out most of the plastic inside the outline (connecting the holes I drilled). I carve out the rounded bottom of the slot with the Xacto and then clean up the slot with round and flat needle files and sanding sticks (like emory boards from a drug store). That may be more trouble than some people want to go to, but it works well for me and gives me clean results. There's a template sold on eBay for the safety cutouts, but I find it easy to follow the lines that are already marked on the grip module, so I'd rather spend the money on other small tools myself. I'll post a photo of the outline on the X Series grip tomorrow. Gotta hit the hay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/204330656854  SIG P320 Manual Safety cut Template |
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Quoted: I have a Civilian version as well and have a Romeo 2 mounted on it. I personally haven't had any issues with it as far as accuracy or reliability. It has been a very solid and highly accurate Gun. I have been shooting it since 2019 and probably have about 8000+ rounds through it. I have only replaced the recoil spring, but that was out of preventive maintenance more than anything. The slide has always moved slightly upward when the trigger is pulled without a magazine inserted, but I have not noticed it affecting anything. Just my personal experience, but I don't have an issue with either one. Cp. |
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I picked up my milspec M17 a couple days ago. I immediately put it in a WC grip module. I took out the new M17 and my commercial M18 in a Brouwer module to test both grips side by side. I need to shoot them both more to make a decision, but initial thoughts I like the Wilson better. Attached File |
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Quoted: Finally picked mine up from the ffl, it's probably gonna stay just as it is unless there is a push on the Army side to add optics. https://i.imgur.com/mtXluEY.jpeg Nice Cp |
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Quoted: I just received a medium XCarry grip module in the mail yesterday and did the safety cutout modification last night. It was even easier than the Wilson Combat grips, because the outline for the cutout is very prominent on the SIG module. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/27888/M17_07_jpg-2816483.JPG I shot 200 rounds through my M17 with the XCarry grip last week, and unfortunately, I don’t love it. It’s just still too bulky and squared off on the sides, especially in the area between the trigger guard and the beaver tail, where my thumb and index finger wrap around the grip. I don’t have small hands, but it feels like I’m stretching to reach the manual safety and magazine release. The Wilson Combat grip is just much more comfortable the way it’s contoured to neck down in this area and make reaching the controls much more natural. My commercial M17 with the WC grip is much more comfortable to shoot by comparison. I bought a small XCarry grip for comparison, but it’s the exact same size in that part of the grip. The only area it appears to be smaller is the hump at the bottom on the back strap. That design doesn’t make sense to me, since someone with smaller hands is going to have an even harder time reaching the controls. The smaller hump doesn’t fill my palm comfortably, so I don’t think that size is an improvement for me. I’ll keep the XCarry grip on this M17 for now, because it looks great and is an improvement over the standard grip, but I’ll probably eventually swap it for a WC grip when I find a good deal on one. |
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Quoted: I shot 200 rounds through my M17 with the XCarry grip last week, and unfortunately, I don’t love it. It’s just still too bulky and squared off on the sides, especially in the area between the trigger guard and the beaver tail, where my thumb and index finger wrap around the grip. I don’t have email hands, but it feels like I’m stretching to reach the manual safety and magazine release. The Wilson Combat grip is just much more comfortable the way it’s contoured to neck down in this area and make reaching the controls much more natural. My commercial M17 with the WC grip is much more comfortable to shoot by comparison. I bought a small XCarry grip for comparison, but it’s the exact same size in that part of the grip. The only area it appears to be smaller is the hump at the bottom on the back strap. That design doesn’t make sense to me, since someone with smaller hands is going to have an even harder time reaching the controls. The smaller hump doesn’t fill my palm comfortably, so I don’t think that size is an improvement for me. I’ll keep the XCarry grip on this M17 for now, because it looks great as is an improvement over the standard grip, but I’ll probably eventually swap it for a WC grip when I find a good deal on one. Just say’n This is a badass grip………  Cp |
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How do you like it with the applied grip material? I have one without and so far I'm not sold on it. It hasn't been a bad grip, definitely better than factory. But side by side with a WC grip I prefer the Wilson. |
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I like the look and want to try one some day, but I know I love the WC grip and can get it for about half the price of the Brouwer, so I’m not in a rush. |
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Quoted: How do you like it with the applied grip material? I have one without and so far I'm not sold on it. It hasn't been a bad grip, definitely better than factory. But side by side with a WC grip I prefer the Wilson. I really like it, but is it worth the extra $80, no. Mine is already starting to wear under the trigger guard at the top of the front strap. Feels good and is impervious to sweat. I have had two others of mine stippled by a buddy and they feel just as good. I really like Wilson grips as well, they are just a bit on the narrow side for me though. Cp |
| I have a Brouwer silicon carbide grip and so far it has held up to daily carry in my duty holster. I have two others that were stippled by a guy I met on the Benelli forums and like those much better. You can now get laser stippled grips at Brouwer for $120 plus the cost of the grip. |
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Quoted: I really like it, but is it worth the extra $80, no. Mine is already starting to wear under the trigger guard at the top of the front strap. Feels good and is impervious to sweat. I have had two others of mine stippled by a buddy and they feel just as good. I really like Wilson grips as well, they are just a bit on the narrow side for me though. Cp Feels good, man.  
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