[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Iron sight/RMR cowitness question. (Page 2 of 2)
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I've hit a 10" plate at 100 with a G42... If you can't think of a reason why you would ever need to make a precise shot, I hope you never need to make one and you better learn the offsets. Quoted:
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Well I'm currently carrying a compact with big dot sights, so I can't make precise long range shots as it is. Nor do I need to. If it's that far out, it's not a big enough threat to me to shoot it, or it's such an overwhelming threat that I best just make a run for it. I'm evaluating this from my perspective as a casual carrier of a compact pistol in the continental united states. Which of course applies to almost everyone else, as well. If you can't think of a reason why you would ever need to make a precise shot, I hope you never need to make one and you better learn the offsets. I'm with you Dave. I shoot weekly and every range session has time devoted to the 100 yard steel. Although mine is a full sized steel IDPA with the "C" zone as my goal. The one I've been carrying daily for the past year. Attached File |
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Above highlighted statement is interesting. That's a hell of a mindset to have. I'm with you Dave. I shoot weekly and every range session has time devoted to the 100 yard steel. Although mine is a full sized steel IDPA with the "C" zone as my goal. The one I've been carrying daily for the past year. |
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Quoted: Knowing what you can and can't do with your equipment is paramount. I'm dumbfounded when people say that they purposefully installed equipment that degrades their ability to make accurate hits. I've never heard anyone with Dawson adjustables say "I can't shoot fast with these." I guess to each their own? |
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Have you noticed the closer shots are now pretty much boring and repetitive? The closest I shoot is anymore is 15 yards, as I almost always shoot steel. I guess to each their own? I have backups on my gun, because if the dot fails, I can use the backup irons. Yes, you can make a minute of C zone hit at distance without a dot or irons, but having backup irons is a small price to pay for the ability to make precise hits in the event of failure. To me, that's worth it.  
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Quoted: I like to shoot at all distances. Speed is relative to the size of the target. I'd rather only use the distance as a calculation for any offsets/holds and shoot quickly at all distances regardless of target size, ensuring that making the necessary hit is made. I can shoot C zone all day, or even A zone if you want to tighten it up, but B8's make it more challenging. I have backups on my gun, because if the dot fails, I can use the backup irons. Yes, you can make a minute of C zone hit at distance without a dot or irons, but having backup irons is a small price to pay for the ability to make precise hits in the event of failure. To me, that's worth it. https://live.staticflickr.com/7891/40494730743_ffa24127fd_z.jpghttps://live.staticflickr.com/7905/46636311404_5e02222f91_z.jpg +1 on everything said! |
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Amazing what people can do when they apply themselves, train, and are willing to learn!
Shooting past 25 has made some significant improvements to my overall shooting. Taking a pistol out to 100 on steel is very gratifying. |
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If I have to make a 100 yard shot on a moving target, and that just so happened to be the moment my RMR crapped out, then that's probably the universe telling me I need to book it on out of there. Can you hit the headbox of an IPSC target at 10 yards from concealment in 4 seconds? 3 seconds? 2 seconds? The recent Texas church shooting is a prime example of making a precision shot at distance. |
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Quoted: You still don’t get it. Can you hit the headbox of an IPSC target at 10 yards from concealment in 4 seconds? 3 seconds? 2 seconds? The recent Texas church shooting is a prime example of making a precision shot at distance. The way I practice is drawing from concealment to the low position, then firing while moving back and transitioning to the high position, as fast as I can while still landing all shots in the A zone. I think my best time from concealment to first shot was 1.7 seconds. I feel like that's pretty good for an amateur. |
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Don't know, never tried it. Hitting a real person in the head at 10 yards is pretty unrealistic, unless they're a geriatric or something. The way I practice is drawing from concealment to the low position, then firing while moving back and transitioning to the high position, as fast as I can while still landing all shots in the A zone. I think my best time from concealment to first shot was 1.7 seconds. I feel like that's pretty good for an amateur. Have you heard the name Jack Wilson in the past few weeks? The tech forums are for helping others gain knowledge or to share knowledge. I'm not sure what you're doing other than stirring the pot. *CLICK* |
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Seriously, you've got to be trolling. Have you heard the name Jack Wilson in the past few weeks? The tech forums are for helping others gain knowledge or to share knowledge. I'm not sure what you're doing other than stirring the pot. *CLICK* He can’t make a shot on a moving target at 10 yards, but says using the body of the RMR and muscle memory is perfectly acceptable. No back up irons needed if that dot goes down because that’s too hard to train for 
Trolling at best. At worst, willfully ignorant. Without question a liability with a gun. |
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Quoted: @Variable556 Those are the ones. I think I did a 0.125 rear notch and a 0.115 front post width. I'm very happy with the setup, have 3 or 4 milled RMR guns with them now. 
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@PrimaryMachine_Bruce
Here are my new Dawson .270's on a Primary Machine slide- these co-witness at nearly an identical "level" as the MOS guns do with Ameriglo 429's. Needless to say, I am super happy with this combo. The sights are there just enough to be usable, but don't take up a good portion of the window like the 429's did. For those if you with milled setups, the .270's may be worth a look. Attached File Attached File |
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@PrimaryMachine_Bruce Here are my new Dawson .270's on a Primary Machine slide- these co-witness at nearly an identical "level" as the MOS guns do with Ameriglo 429's. Needless to say, I am super happy with this combo. The sights are there just enough to be usable, but don't take up a good portion of the window like the 429's did. For those if you with milled setups, the .270's may be worth a look. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6045/D3D55103-BCCE-4928-96D0-4D072BD60955_jpeg-1232784.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6045/CAF5E6AE-D2DF-464B-B2CF-55349EEFDAC9_jpeg-1232785.JPG |
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@PrimaryMachine_Bruce Here are my new Dawson .270's on a Primary Machine slide- these co-witness at nearly an identical "level" as the MOS guns do with Ameriglo 429's. Needless to say, I am super happy with this combo. The sights are there just enough to be usable, but don't take up a good portion of the window like the 429's did. For those if you with milled setups, the .270's may be worth a look. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6045/D3D55103-BCCE-4928-96D0-4D072BD60955_jpeg-1232784.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6045/CAF5E6AE-D2DF-464B-B2CF-55349EEFDAC9_jpeg-1232785.JPG |
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Quoted: Were the sights an in stock item? I emailed Dawson and they told me the .270 height was custom order and would take 3-4 weeks. I went ahead and had them ship the .305 rear sight. For some reason it was in stock there, but not under the "cowitness MOS sights", even though .270 was listed there too. |
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Quoted: I ordered it under the non-cowitness MOS category. For some reason it was in stock there, but not under the "cowitness MOS sights", even though .270 was listed there too. |
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Data point. Dawson .305 rear /.300 front on brownells g17 slide with RMR01 plus sealing plate. The slides milled lower than most other direct mill jobs so looks like I could have ran even shorter BUIS https://i.imgur.com/ISAmvTk_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium |
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@PrimaryMachine_Bruce Here are my new Dawson .270's on a Primary Machine slide- these co-witness at nearly an identical "level" as the MOS guns do with Ameriglo 429's. Needless to say, I am super happy with this combo. The sights are there just enough to be usable, but don't take up a good portion of the window like the 429's did. For those if you with milled setups, the .270's may be worth a look. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6045/D3D55103-BCCE-4928-96D0-4D072BD60955_jpeg-1232784.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/6045/CAF5E6AE-D2DF-464B-B2CF-55349EEFDAC9_jpeg-1232785.JPG |
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The front should be like .250ish All of my gen 5 guns require a front sight that is as high or slightly higher than the rear for a 20-25 yard zero with my duty ammo, so I went with the same principal for this gun. Prior to the milling, it had a .250 rear with a .255 front. |
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Quoted: I did .270 for both. All of my gen 5 guns require a front sight that is as high or slightly higher than the rear for a 20-25 yard zero with my duty ammo, so I went with the same principal for this gun. Prior to the milling, it had a .250 rear with a .255 front. |