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10/7/2024 10:20:01 PM EDT
This oughta be interesting here in GD.  A back story for my sudden interest in this topic:

Yesterday I was mowing in a small field beside our house.  Something began stinging me on the ear, and after a few seconds of it continuing to sting me, I reach up and pluck it off my left ear.  Much more sizeable than a honey bee.  I did not turn my head and look at it, simply plucked it off and flung it off beside me.  I have two honey bee hives and I get stung by them often enough to know that this was certainly no honey bee, even if I hadn't grabbed it, this sting was something entirely different.  MUCH more painful and "hot feeling" for lack of better explanation.  I continue moving forward on the mower and after less than 10 ft I hear something buzzing around my head.  I bail off the mower and begin walking away.  I continue to hear the buzzing, so I do the illogical yet most logical thing at the time and begin running while waving my arms all around my head like a crazy person.  Once I stopped and heard no further buzzing, I go back and retrieve the mower and head towards the house.  

Once I reach the house/garage area, I not only realize that my ear is burning and I can literally feel it pulsing, but I also realize that my hands are tight and I can't hardly bend my fingers.  Also, I notice that my balls and the back of my head are itching like mad, like insanely so.  I put the mower in the garage and walk into the house.  I tell my wife something stung me and it hurts like hell, please come take a look.  She says holy shit your ear is very swollen and bright red.  She goes to our master bath to get some tweezers because I say I think there's a stinger still there.  She's out of the room when I decide to find something medicinal to take because the itching is off the charts by this point.  I pick up a bottle of Ibuprofen out of our wicker basket of meds in the kitchen area, and then decide I need something more like Benadryl probably.  I go back to looking in the basket for a few seconds when I say screw it I'll take some Ibuprofen.  I take the lid off the bottle and pick up a cup of water my wife had sat on the counter beside me, and the last thing I remember is looking upwards at the ceiling and seeing pills and water flying in the air.  I pass out cold.  

My wife comes back and finds me on the floor and calls 911.   They begin giving her CPR instructions while our 17 yr old son is out front directing various emergency personnel as they arrive.  First a deputy sheriff, then two fire personnel, then ambulance.  Watching our security camera footage today still seems very surreal to me, watching my stepson guide people in as they arrive, crying like crazy but so calm overall.  I was impressed, to say the very least.  They load me on a stretcher and out of the house I come, still out cold.  Again, watching this today on cam clips is the absolute craziest thing.  

I "come to" in the ambulance and my first recollection is seeing my pickup following us as we're getting onto the interstate, this point is roughly 8 miles from our driveway.  I ask where we're going and the EMT sitting beside me says "(insert name of next town over from ours) because you really weren't doing very well there for a minute".  He then asks "do you need the 911 operator to contact any other family members, a parent or something?" and I say no my wife is right back there in that blue truck, and both of my parents have been dead for 10+ years, and he says "ohhh, ok.  I understand".  

For the rest of the 10 or so minutes to get to the hospital, I'm retrieving memories.  A person that I immediately knew as my mom had been present, and it was so bright that I couldn't fully see her, just was barely even able to open my eyes.  Just super bright and white.  How stereotypical, right?  She said "**my name** you need to wake up hon" and I said "I don't think I can mom".  She said "you need to wake up!" and I said "I want to stay here with you".  And then she laughed so loud like it was everywhere all around me and inside my head if that makes any sense, and she said "its not time for that yet, you know that! NOW WAKE UP!"  Literally my next conscious memory  is I'm opening my eyes and  I'm seeing my truck following us and a voice beside me saying "hey, you're back with us" and then the previously mentioned conversation.  

I then remember nothing else until I'm in a hospital room and my wife and brother are sitting beside the bed.  Like zero memory of reaching the hospital, getting unloaded, getting into a room, nothing at all.  So I assume I went unconscious again, but I really have no idea actually.  The rest of the hospital stay was pretty unremarkable.  They tried to give me some sort of liquid allergy-type stuff via IV and I filled up two barf bags.  I told my wife very matter of factly on the way home "I saw my mom.  I talked to her".  She said that must have been pretty wonderful, and I said it sure was.  That's the last that we've discussed it since then.  I'm trying to figure out how to bring it up again without sounding like a crazy person.  We were back home roughly 3 hours after I was wheeled out (again, security cams come in handy for lots of unexpected things).

I'm trying to anticipate some questions, but I really don't know where this will go. I'd sincerely love to have some good conversation about it though.  I've been doing some internet research today, and I've seen figures from 10% to maybe more than 20% of people have experienced what would be termed a "near death experience" or "near death-like experience".  I'm not a church-going person.  I was raised Catholic and regularly attended Mass up through roughly my freshman year of high school.  I'm 53 years old.  I'm not on any prescription drugs, and I'm not a recreational drug user for over 30 years now, although I was a prolific pot smoker in my early years lol.  I drink MAYBE two beers per month, usually when out to dinner with friends.  Nothing harder than beer except for maybe two or three times a year.  I can't really think of anything else to add, but I would be happy to add anything that might seem pertinent.  It's just about bedtime for my old ass now though, so expect a delay overnight.  I'll probably add a poll.  I'm genuinely curious about the experiences of others.  I would have guessed that it would be something that people who have experienced would then scream from the mountaintops about it, but I myself woke up this morning and went to work, and didn't mention it to a single person there, even though everyone had to hear all the rest of the story.  I have a big black eye and some facial abrasions from falling and hitting cabinet door on the way down to the floor, so it was apparent something had happened, even without the "small town gossip mill" in full effect.  As I said, I haven't brought it back up with my wife.  I haven't mentioned it to my brother, even though we spoke on the phone earlier today when he called to check up on me.  He is what I would certainly call a devout Christian, very active in his church.  He fairly often invites me to attend his church with him, probably 6 times or so per year.  I haven't done so yet. I'm quite curious how he will react to this news, if I ever do bring it up to him.  

I don't even know if I was indeed "near death".  Like no one said "holy shit dude you were soooo near death, glad you pulled through!" or anything like that. OK this is turning into quite the ramble, so I'll see where this goes.  Fire away if anything needs clarification or further information
10/7/2024 10:26:32 PM EDT
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Several of my older relatives have had conversations with their dead relatives in the last days of hospice.  I got the sense they were being greeted at the threshold.
10/7/2024 10:27:15 PM EDT
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I've never had a near death experience but glad to hear you are still with us.  I would definitely tell my brother the experience if I was you.
10/7/2024 10:33:35 PM EDT
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I just want to know wtf it was that got you so ill know to stay tf away
10/7/2024 10:35:17 PM EDT
[#4]
I'm more curious because I want to know what to make sure I avoid...

What the fuck stung you!
10/7/2024 10:35:59 PM EDT
[#5]
Angel Studios did a documentary on the subject of Near Death Experiences, titled: After Death.  It was very interesting.

After Death (2023) | Official Trailer


What bit you?  Did you ever figure it out?
10/7/2024 10:37:05 PM EDT
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Dibs?
10/7/2024 10:38:13 PM EDT
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LOL great question.  I have a follow-up appt with my primary care doc tomorrow and I'll be getting a referral to an allergist.  The ER doc mentioned that types of hornets can sometimes cause extreme allergic reactions like that.  It was in the middle of a roughly 2 acre field with no trees or bushes so I am assuming it was something that builds nests underground.  Really just guessing at that though.

ETA:  I'm suddenly also very interested in becoming an epi pen holder for damn sure
10/7/2024 10:41:20 PM EDT
[#8]
100% real.
10/7/2024 10:42:58 PM EDT
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Glad you’re doing better. Did you find out what stung you?  Is it possible a venom caused you to hallucinate?  I am not doubting your experience, just wondering if what caused it can be explained?
10/7/2024 10:43:30 PM EDT
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Man, that’s a scary experience!  As scared as many people are of snakes, wasps and hornets are much more dangerous.
10/7/2024 10:43:38 PM EDT
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Damn, OP, I'm glad you're okay.

I've never been allergic to anything but I still keep an epi pen in my medical bag, just in case I run into something that I am allergic to.

As for NDEs, I've never experienced it and I'm not sure what it even is but I believe there is something that happens to people.
10/7/2024 10:54:08 PM EDT
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I wish I knew what it was.  Someone came in the hospital room at one point wanting to know the color and/or body shape of the insect and I'm like dude I really have no clue.  Didn't even glance at it.  Wish like hell I would've squashed it and stuck it in my pocket, but I didn't.  I'm definitely not ready to rule out a hallucination, but it was a very "real" experience, not sure how to explain it other than that.
10/7/2024 10:57:31 PM EDT
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In January I went to the hospital with the flu, a couple of weeks later I woke up and had been on ECMO. I never knew how close I was to death because I was inoculated so I guess you can say that I don't know what it's like but everyone says I was almost gone.
10/7/2024 11:03:10 PM EDT
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Angel Studios did a documentary on the subject of Near Death Experiences, titled: After Death.  It was very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMMAnO67RPw

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Definitely gonna be watching this.  I did not find out what bit me yet.  Not sure I will.  I have an appointment with my primary care doc tomorrow and will be getting a referral to an allergist.  Maybe they'll be able to narrow it down somehow?  I really don't know.  I'm half-tempted to put my bee suit on and go back out to the "scene of the crime" and try to collect one of the little bastards and then burn the rest.  My wife thinks that's a horrible idea.  She's probably right.
10/7/2024 11:04:02 PM EDT
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I believe them to be real, but I also believe they're blown out of proportion.  Seems anyone that was ever unconscious starts espousing these NDE theories.   Read through forums sometime on it.  I get this sense that some of these people want to feel special somehow so they equate anything they can to be an NDE.

To me, NDE means you're clinically dead.  Not unconscious, dead.  Gone.  Then you return - hence, near death.

The experiences of people who've had actual NDEs and have been able to describe events happening in other rooms, or things happening in their room while on the operating table is fascinating to me.  

I think it's a great field of study, but man, I really cannot stand the attention-seekers who will tell whatever stories they can to get their say in.  Just my POV, YMMV.
10/7/2024 11:06:14 PM EDT
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Many years ago in my mid 20's I went to a relatively small town ER in Alaska with bad Afib. They soaked me with so much digoxin that after the afib relaxed, sitting up made me code. I literally heard my heart monitor go beeeeeeeeeeeeep like the movies, and I floated back onto the gurney. To be honest, it was the best I've ever felt. I was almost disappointed when seconds later my heart started beating again.
10/7/2024 11:12:17 PM EDT
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I believe them to be real, but I also believe they're blown out of proportion.  Seems anyone that was ever unconscious starts espousing these NDE theories.   Read through forums sometime on it.  I get this sense that some of these people want to feel special somehow so they equate anything they can to be an NDE.

To me, NDE means you're clinically dead.  Not unconscious, dead.  Gone.  Then you return - hence, near death.

The experiences of people who've had actual NDEs and have been able to describe events happening in other rooms, or things happening in their room while on the operating table is fascinating to me.  

I think it's a great field of study, but man, I really cannot stand the attention-seekers who will tell whatever stories they can to get their say in.  Just my POV, YMMV.
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You might be interested in the After Death documentary because the case samples were compiled by medical doctors from known medical incidents.  Some of the things the patients relate is inexplicable.  It is interesting stuff.
10/7/2024 11:16:13 PM EDT
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You might be interested in the After Death documentary because the case samples were compiled by medical doctors from known medical incidents.  Some of the things the patients relate is inexplicable.  It is interesting stuff.
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I believe them to be real, but I also believe they're blown out of proportion.  Seems anyone that was ever unconscious starts espousing these NDE theories.   Read through forums sometime on it.  I get this sense that some of these people want to feel special somehow so they equate anything they can to be an NDE.

To me, NDE means you're clinically dead.  Not unconscious, dead.  Gone.  Then you return - hence, near death.

The experiences of people who've had actual NDEs and have been able to describe events happening in other rooms, or things happening in their room while on the operating table is fascinating to me.  

I think it's a great field of study, but man, I really cannot stand the attention-seekers who will tell whatever stories they can to get their say in.  Just my POV, YMMV.


You might be interested in the After Death documentary because the case samples were compiled by medical doctors from known medical incidents.  Some of the things the patients relate is inexplicable.  It is interesting stuff.



I've seen it, it's a great film.  My sentiment stems from my own research.  I dislike leading into these kinds of discussions with the whole "with my years of research into x, y, z.." approach since it can seem to feign an attempt to gain some kind of upper hand in a discussion, which isn't the case.  It's simply a subject I've been fascinated with for years, and actually have done research in, but for my own edification.   Much of what I see is fluff, but the gems that I find definitely point the needle to belief in NDEs.  

But holy jeez there are soooo many stories out there that just don't pass the sniff test.   /rant.
10/7/2024 11:22:47 PM EDT
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Given the commonality of experiences among people who don't know each other, I think there is definitely a mystery to be solved.  

IIRC, there was an ER that tried to study the phenomenon by hanging a sign with some writing that pointed upwards. The idea was that if an NDE occurred, they'd interview the survivors and ask what was written on the sign. To my knowledge, no one was able to recall what was written there.
10/7/2024 11:24:10 PM EDT
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Epi pen question. How long do these last stored properly these days?

Are there better alternatives for an allergic reaction such as a insect sting than the epi pen?
10/7/2024 11:29:49 PM EDT
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Given the commonality of experiences among people who don't know each other, I think there is definitely a mystery to be solved.  

IIRC, there was an ER that tried to study the phenomenon by hanging a sign with some writing that pointed upwards. The idea was that if an NDE occurred, they'd interview the survivors and ask what was written on the sign. To my knowledge, no one was able to recall what was written there.
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I read a great paper not too long ago - if I can find it, I'll link it - that stated that the research they'd done into people's personal NDE experience showed that the images and things "seen" per se (or in actuality?) seem to be driven more largely by that person's expectations of death, but there were also common factors found amongst all those cases sampled.

It was very interesting, and focused on cases involving Christians, Thai Buddhists, and Chinese Buddhists.   The Thai and Chinese variants chiefly due to how they approach death as a culture - there are differences between those that created enough of a variance that any commonalities in the NDE experience would be noteworthy aside from simply them being Buddhist.

It was a great read.  Wish I remember where I stored it.  Anyway, there's a lot more out there.  Maybe check scholar.google.com or see if a site like Emerald or something has more updates?  I'll probably do the same.  TBH I've been kind of wanting something too deep-dive into, maybe I'll see if I can turn up any other cool papers.

10/7/2024 11:30:26 PM EDT
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I have been researching NDEs for a few decades (since the same time that I joined this site in fact), have an entire shelf in my library devoted to NDEs, and have watched a few hundred NDE videos. I watch each video with skepticism, and usually have a feel for whether someone is a "look at me!" bullshitter almost immediately. But I am a believer. I know a few people who've had them. They are people of integrity and aren't bullshitters.
10/7/2024 11:33:28 PM EDT
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I have been researching NDEs for a few decades (since the same time that I joined this site in fact), have an entire shelf in my library devoted to NDEs, and have watched a few hundred NDE videos. I watch each video with skepticism, and usually have a feel for whether someone is a "look at me!" bullshitter almost immediately. But I am a believer. I know a few people who've had them. They are people of integrity and aren't bullshitters.
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Hear, hear.
10/7/2024 11:36:29 PM EDT
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our souls are eternal


10/7/2024 11:58:34 PM EDT
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Dad had surgery in '85 for an aneurysm in his brain.  It burst when they opened his skull up and they lost him for around three minutes.  In recovery, he related to the lead doc what they did to try to get him back, including some of the dialogue that the operating room people had during the time he was 'gone'.  So, yeah, I believe.

Long story short, in '05 I had a heart attack while driving down a four lane highway by myself and was 'brought back' when hit with an AED.   I have no memory of anything during the time I was out.
10/8/2024 12:09:52 AM EDT
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My mothers voice I heard as I was being crushed to the ground in a underground rock fall.  
  She was saying I would have to be tough,  that I would live but it would not be easy.  
 It was rather calming considering.
10/8/2024 5:58:32 AM EDT
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That's some questions that I will be interested in learning about
10/8/2024 6:21:45 AM EDT
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LOL great question.  I have a follow-up appt with my primary care doc tomorrow and I'll be getting a referral to an allergist.  The ER doc mentioned that types of hornets can sometimes cause extreme allergic reactions like that.  It was in the middle of a roughly 2 acre field with no trees or bushes so I am assuming it was something that builds nests underground.  Really just guessing at that though.

ETA:  I'm suddenly also very interested in becoming an epi pen holder for damn sure
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Skip the epi pen and ask for a script for Neffy. It’s a nasal spray epi. It’s much easier to carry around, as it’s 1/3 the size of an epi pen, the expiration date is a year longer than the pens, and you don’t have to stab yourself in the thigh.

It was just approved by the FDA a couple months ago. Might want to look in SPRY stock.
10/8/2024 8:37:35 AM EDT
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I died on March 17th 2017, at the hands of a Dr who was a serial killer of at 4 other people at the minimum and possible 5 others that can actually be accounted for, the truth is its probably many more. we are comfortable using the term serial killer because he had an M.O. that he used on certain patients to cover everything. he sent me home to die after the first procedure and freaked out when I survived it and called him 2 days later to tell him I was having problems. he got mad and tried to keep me from going to ER. when I showed up at ER, he lied to everyone, including my wife and I to take me into surgery again, to finish the job and to retrieve all the evidence.

I was told I was to be sent back as soon as he stopped the procedure because my Plan was to take care of my wife and all of her future problems which I was shown a portion of what was to come. I got the feeling that you really are not suppose to talk about or discuss the other side for numerous reasons.

I've been interviewed by over 100 Drs from all over the US because I am the first and probably the only survivor of the medical condition I had.

an Angel named Tova who was with me thru the procedure and then she handed me off to a being so powerful I dared not ask. I think about it every day.

God is good and he has a Plan for each of you.
follow your Plan to please him and give thanks to him.

there are dozens of other parts of all of this which are amazing and frightening all at the same time.

being a Lazarus is extremely humbling, guilt ridden and strangers approach you all the time out of the blue for prayers and guidance. I was not prepared for that at all.

it scared my wife and I for the first couple of years, but now we are use to it.
10/8/2024 9:01:35 AM EDT
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Thanks OP!  I believe this is real.  However when you go trying to research this sort of thing you quickly realize a certain percent of people are lying to try and push a religious agenda.

There was a Dr. interviewed by Art Bell who wrote (don't remember the title), the whole book is chronicles of NDE's by terminally ill children too young to be spinning an agenda.
10/8/2024 9:04:27 AM EDT
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Wow!  Glad you’re still with us and recovering.  You are truly blessed in many ways.  I don’t know about near death experiences, but I’m not going to dismiss things I’ve not experienced or understand out of hand.
10/8/2024 9:04:32 AM EDT
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I have a Paramedic friend who is allergic to stings.  Got stung on vacation with a group of EMT friends and started going anaphylactic.  Only Epi was expired Epi, they used it, worked fine.

No better alternative except to be standing in the ER and they are probably going to give you Epi there...
10/8/2024 9:08:12 AM EDT
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Listen to the Shawn Ryan Show, episode 111, then tell me there’s no Jesus.
10/8/2024 9:15:21 AM EDT
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I had a NDE in 2008 after flatlining in the ER. It lasted about 10 seconds but changed my life drastically. I ended up seeing a therapist who specializes in NDEs for about a year.
It’s strange going through life KNOWING there’s life after death vs believing or thinking that there is. It’s also much more difficult losing fear of death than you’d imagine.

I remember every one of those 10 seconds like they were each a year long.
10/8/2024 9:20:39 AM EDT
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I had a NDE in 2008 after flatlining in the ER. It lasted about 10 seconds but changed my life drastically. I ended up seeing a therapist who specializes in NDEs for about a year.
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yeah.

when I made it to ICU and could communicate there were 4-5 RN's asking me what I saw and who I communicated with.
not fear death anymore cannot be understated.

10/8/2024 9:23:01 AM EDT
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Thank you for sharing your story, OP!
10/8/2024 9:25:25 AM EDT
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I believe whole hearted in them.

My mom had a couple of them.

I had one for sure.
But I also see and believe in little people,spirits and other things.
10/8/2024 9:27:30 AM EDT
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Given the commonality of experiences among people who don't know each other, I think there is definitely a mystery to be solved.  

IIRC, there was an ER that tried to study the phenomenon by hanging a sign with some writing that pointed upwards. The idea was that if an NDE occurred, they'd interview the survivors and ask what was written on the sign. To my knowledge, no one was able to recall what was written there.
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nobody dying cares about that sign.
10/8/2024 9:32:11 AM EDT
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I hardly believe what my living sensory experiences tell me, let alone a frantic anaerobic brain gulping for glucose and hope. It's all just a Graphic User Interface, it in no way represents higher realities.
10/8/2024 9:34:24 AM EDT
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Thank you for sharing that OP. I'm gonna take some time to digest it.

Totally biased personal opinion here disclaimer: I'm a Christian and personally know this life here is not the end of us.
10/8/2024 9:34:31 AM EDT
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When my wife was in the hospital for our first child, she was there 7 days due to an array of issues (GD, pre-eclamptic, etc) I found out she had a near-death experience (she hid this from me for over a year after the fact). She was in the room with her doula and a friend when her BP tanked and she passed out cold. She said she remembered hearing cries from the people in the room and then suddenly looking down at her body and watching everything going on in the room with the nurses and doctors... talk about bananas. Anyways, yes I am a believer. Glad you are doing well.
10/8/2024 9:35:28 AM EDT
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Glad you survived.  That is some scary stuff.  

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A close family friend was a hospice nurse, and was actually the hospice nurse for my half-aunt when she passed at home.  She has attended many people as they pass.  She is convinced this happens, has seen the patients talk to people not physically there, etc...

Pretty sure it is real, and we will ALL find out for sure if it is real one day.
10/8/2024 9:37:53 AM EDT
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There are strange insects for sure.

In Rhode Island I was walking in the woods near the ocean and I walked into a spider web knee high.  Spider bit me.

Within seconds I couldnt bend my knee.  Now mind you I was 16,  played football,  could run a marathon.  But within seconds I couldn't move my entire leg.

Now black widows are the only known poisonous spider,  or maybe some brown recluse.

HOWEVER this thing was about 2-5 inches depending how you measured it.  It was HUGE.  AND it actually followed me on the trail and road for nearly a mile.  YES THE THING ACTUALLY SCURRIED JUST FEET BEHIND ME THE ENTIRE WALK BACK.  

Doctors said I hallucinated because there was no spiders in Rhode ISland that looked like I described.  ADmitted I Was bit by something because of the bite mark,  but that I hallucinated the spider on the ground scurrying.  No spider in Rhode Island could actually scurry on the ground like that (like a tarantula).  I mean it could of BEEN A TARANTULA of some kind.

I Was hospitalized for a week.  They ran every test and never isolated the toxin or what was wrong.

I Was of sound mind I know what it was.  Some kind of large spider that walked on the ground.

They dont  have good tests to isolate something they dont know what they are looking for.  And I believe that there are probably insects that we really don't have a full understanding of.

10/8/2024 9:43:40 AM EDT
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Familiar with NDE due to my brothers study and research of it.  Also grew up in the nursing home/geriatric care environment so surrounded by older folks and the infirmed.  

It’s a very real phenomenon.  DMT release during the dying process may be the catalyst in opening up your mind to it all. So I think it’s a very organic and natural process as your physical self is bonded to your spiritual self, yet not always aware of it.  Always functioning yet not necessarily cognizant of things outside of your usual dimensions.  
Some people see/experience nothing.  Some have very deep experiences.  
It’s very interesting.  

And yes there’s no shortage of self promoting gurus, shamans, and attention seekers who exploit it. Usually these types are the ones who have deep experiences in everything from Bigfoot to aliens to ghost encounters.  
Happens in everything.  Bring up a topic and they’ve got an experience to one up it.  That makes it difficult to discuss.
10/8/2024 9:47:38 AM EDT
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Given the commonality of experiences among people who don't know each other, I think there is definitely a mystery to be solved.  

IIRC, there was an ER that tried to study the phenomenon by hanging a sign with some writing that pointed upwards. The idea was that if an NDE occurred, they'd interview the survivors and ask what was written on the sign. To my knowledge, no one was able to recall what was written there.
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Not the right experiment.

There are many instances of people seeing things that would not be visible to a person standing in the OR (especially someone laying down and under anesthesia), a lost glove on top of a cabinet or something.  But these are not everyday occurrences.  Seeing the specific test sign sounds like an unlikely outcome.
10/8/2024 9:53:38 AM EDT
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There are strange insects for sure.

In Rhode Island I was walking in the woods near the ocean and I walked into a spider web knee high.  Spider bit me.

Within seconds I couldnt bend my knee.  Now mind you I was 16,  played football,  could run a marathon.  But within seconds I couldn't move my entire leg.

Now black widows are the only known poisonous spider,  or maybe some brown recluse.

HOWEVER this thing was about 2-5 inches depending how you measured it.  It was HUGE.  AND it actually followed me on the trail and road for nearly a mile.  YES THE THING ACTUALLY SCURRIED JUST FEET BEHIND ME THE ENTIRE WALK BACK.  

Doctors said I hallucinated because there was no spiders in Rhode ISland that looked like I described.  ADmitted I Was bit by something because of the bite mark,  but that I hallucinated the spider on the ground scurrying.  No spider in Rhode Island could actually scurry on the ground like that (like a tarantula).  I mean it could of BEEN A TARANTULA of some kind.

I Was hospitalized for a week.  They ran every test and never isolated the toxin or what was wrong.

I Was of sound mind I know what it was.  Some kind of large spider that walked on the ground.

They dont  have good tests to isolate something they dont know what they are looking for.  And I believe that there are probably insects that we really don't have a full understanding of.

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Ok man.  Holy Shiite!   My skin is crawling.  That is some nightmare material.  Did you remember what that 8 legged monster looked like?  
Could have been some imported spider that hit out into the wild.  
One of my friends at work was bitten on her thigh by an orb weaver one morning.  She experienced severe pain, swelling and infection.  Allergic reaction I guess.  
That’s why I always walk with a stick to sweep the area in front of me.  
10/8/2024 10:14:49 AM EDT
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I have read a number of books on it, including one the best, Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's Journey into the Afterlife.  There are books about summarizing many people who share their stories, but this one is by doc who goes into extreme detail about what he experienced.

When my father lost his fight with lung cancer, I was right next to him.   Granted, he was on morphine, but his last words were "Somebody tell that guy to turn off his high beams", obviously processing the characteristic light, then he saw a childhood friend and asked him by name, "What are you doing here?", obviously his guide.  I told him to go to the light and shortly thereafter, he was gone.  Ironically, when he talked about his imminent death beforehand, he said that he wasn't afraid, he was genuinely curious to see what it would be like on the other side.

As an engineer, I am fully aware that this process might be caused by the natural shutdown of brain function, but the out of body experiences are far too frequent to have that fully explain all of them.  OTOH, the folks here who immediately dismiss it and any religious implication should be a bit more open minded.  Of course, no one recovers from complete death, but these narratives are too numerous to ignore.

IIRC, some of the main similarities of people who have NDE's are that they see a God-like being in the light, see a dead friend or relative to guide them, have no fear and are at peace (in fact many do not want to return because they are so happy where they are) and some are told that it is just not their time yet.  Again, IIRC, NDE's do not happen (or are much rarer or different experiences) with suicides.

People who have experienced them generally no longer fear death at all and generally have a much stronger belief in God.

I actually wondered about the T80 tank crews who get hit by a drone and the ammo goes off and they are instantly vaporized, what are their experiences like?  Obviously, again, we will never know, as with all discussions about the afterlife, when it comes down to it, there is only faith.  As I have stated before, I believe.
10/8/2024 10:26:36 AM EDT
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My FIL passed in a hospital during covid but not from covid.   My MIL was able to be with him after having to raise hell about being in there because of stupid covid but that's another story.  

   Minutes before he passed, he kept telling her "That's a really nice man" " That' a really nice kind warm man standing there" he said it a few more times while talking with her before he passed with a smile on his face.  Thing is no one else was in the room.     He was not a religious man at all because he spent 50+ years in a wheelchair from a scaffolding accident that paralyzed him from the waist down.    

I believe when we go it is not the end, there is something else.  I also think non-believers/nay sayers will experience it as well whether they like it or not.    

  One thing for sure, your death will happen someday, and you may have a say about it or not.
10/8/2024 10:27:02 AM EDT
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Some scientist explain it as a near death coping mechanism in the brain.  This makes no sense as there would be no evolutionary advantage to evolving such a thing...
10/8/2024 10:30:44 AM EDT
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My brother-in-law experienced something very weird but completely different.

He had some kind of intestinal rupture and necrosis that took him to the ER.  Doctors opened everything to clean up and patch but during the process he "turned off" (= died).  Doctors did not give up and started CPR and everything else needed to "turn him back on".  After a few minutes he was on again.

His side of the story.  Everything went dark, then a bright light that seemed like a tunnel transported him to some kind of auditorium full of people dressed in a purple clock.   It was round like an arena with a stage at the center.  Place was half dark except the stage, illuminated by a bright light.  Everyone's attention was at the stage and none reacted to his questions about where was that, what was that, what was everyone doing, etc.  He then started thinking about his daughter and what would be of her.  Suddenly he felt some kind of "pull" and woke up in the ER surrounded by doctors and nurses.

He is not religious, actually an atheist, but became a bit weird after this experience.



My personal experience wasn't so interesting.  A blood thinner (Brilemta) turned my blood too thin, which caused it to go through the BBB (brain blood barrier) and shut me sown.  Wife called EMS, which started checking for stroke, since I still had vital signs. I answered all questions correctly, did all movements correctly and even argued about what the hell was happening. Why all that racket?

My version. Was watching TV with my wife, then wake up in the ER getting into an MRI machine.  Never recalled what happened in that period of time. For me it was like the blink of an eye.  Watching TV, blink, ER.

So, in my case, according to the doctors, I went "full auto" when blood got into the brain and will likely never recall what happened during that time.


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