Originally Posted By HKocher:

Man, weird that I have to keep asking, but what did he accomplish in his nearly decade and a half in congress?

Originally Posted By NHTriumph:


Massie voted against "the big beautiful bill". A giant abortion that's fueling inflation as we sit here. The NFA tax elimination was in this bill.

You know what else he "didn't vote" for?  Illegal welfare, funding for abortions, more welfare for Israel and Ukraine, and a boat load of other trash that taxes us all to death.

Literally every time someone says "Massie voted against something" it can be traced back to the BBB.

Horseshit.

Bunch of big gov loving neocons in here.

Originally Posted By Glocked:

The inflation has been rampant for years. Sabotaging the changes to the NFA wouldn’t have magically fixed that. Nor would it have stopped foreign welfare. Want an end to all welfare foreign and domestic? Put a candidate up that’ll make it happen, I look forward to voting for them! The lengths y’all go to to excuse away a “2A guy” voting against unprecedented changes to a century old gun control scheme is savant level.

So here we are. On a website based around guns. Watching some Massie fan girls get their pussies hurt because their unicorn candidate is trash. He tried to sabotage positive changes to the NFA. Now he’s trying to sabotage the will of the people by impeaching the SoW. You know, the people that voted for secure borders and going after the people smuggling people and fentanyl into the country.

Yesterday I was a leftist to some of you liberaltarian fan girls. Today I’m a neocon. You milquetoast moderates, libertarians, compromising conservatives, or whatever you centrists identify as now a days need to be a little more consistent. Because when you’re all over the place it makes you seem like a teenage emo girl just screaming and being dramatic just for the sake of it.

Originally Posted By FS7:

Why am I saying what exactly?

Do you think everything somebody "far-Left" says is automatically wrong or bad?

Originally Posted By FS7:

This is rationalization and excuses, pure and simple. The bill was horrible. It's a large part of why Trump is the biggest spender in history and it's not even close. It's almost impressive in its scope, or would be if we all weren't paying for it.

It's disingenuous at best to say Massie tried to sabotage changes to the NFA. He tried to stop an abortion of a spending bill that funded dozens of bad things and didn't fund dozens of good things Republicans promised to do. If you asked him he'd tell you straight up what was good and bad in the bill and I'd guarantee he'd have voted to can the NFA entirely (no pun intended) given the chance.

You're not an idiot. You know damn well this is the truth.

Originally Posted By NN300BLK:

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Massie also has a nice collection of NFA items. He clearly likes guns and the 2nd Amendment. To my knowledge, he’s also never voted for gun control and has supported pro-2A bills.

If the litmus test for  2A voting records is the OBBB, then Cornyn (co-crafter of the Bipartisan Safer Community Act, the first federal gun control bill passed in two decades) is more of a 2A advocate than Massie… which is clearly not true.

Plus, while I’m one of the people who was making phone calls and writing emails to get zero dollar tax stamps (and the reform language which was unfortunately removed by the Parliamentarian) and I’m generally happy with $0 tax stamps, there’s still a ways to go on that and it was such a small part of the OBBB when considering the entire bill. I can’t really fault a GOP representative voting either way on the OBBB, because the reality is the $0 tax stamps were like a dinner mint at a massive multi-course feast which mostly consisted of cheap wine, stale bread, and low grade cuts of meat with the occasional good side. On one hand, it wasn’t really a good meal and the dinner mint doesn’t make the whole meal good; on the other hand, the meal was always going to fall short of expectations, so at least we got the mint.

Originally Posted By Glocked:

He accomplished being one of two republicans to vote against the first meaningful changes to the NFA in almost a century.

Originally Posted By FS7:

I can't even respond more than a line or two without the site freezing.

Massie voted against trillions of government waste and foreign aid. It's incredibly naive to make a statement like you did. That's Fox News type nonsense, the type of garbage I just argued with my dad about.

Also, Trump specifically campaigned on no new wars, so an undeclared war in the Middle East is exactly NOT what the voters wanted.

Originally Posted By Glocked:

He has not supported all Pro-2A bills. He voted with the antis and tried to sabotage a budget bill with Pro-2A changes. Your own comment says as much. You can attempt to rationalize away his compromising on Pro-2A matters all you want.

But but but the orange guy said the things!1!1 Meanwhile we have a totally “2A guy” voting against the most meaningful changes to the NFA in its history.

So, we’ve determined he prioritizes budgets matters over constitutionally recognized and protected 2A rights. He doesn’t actually care about the will of the people and is trying to punish the SoW for doing what voters elected. The candidate that our principled conservatives love to swoon over looks far less like a constitutional unicorn, and much more like just another donkey with a dick strapped to his head

Originally Posted By FS7:

The action against Venezuela, both against Maduro and the so-called drug boats, was illegal. You choose to believe the government without question in this case. I do not. It is plausible to believe that some boats were probably carrying drugs. It is not plausible or ethical or legal to suggest that every person aboard every boat was a narco-terrorist and lethal force was justified. "Flooding our streets with fentanyl" sounds like something Sean Hannity would say. It's also ignorant and misinformed because cocaine is primarily what comes from South America, not fentanyl. It's like boomer boogeyman rhetoric doesn't even try.

As for the bill, Massie opposed it primarily on fiscal grounds because it's projected to add over $4 trillion to the debt. Presumably you have SOME notion of "that's too much," in which case you and Massie disagree on scale, not principle. Maybe you don't, I don't know. I am assuming if it was a $40 trillion spending bill you'd probably say that's not worth it.

Personally I don't give a damn about the $0 tax stamp. I bought quite a bit after Jensen, but that's because of the elimination of Form 1/4. I understand the $0 was at least partially what paved the way for that, so I am happy about that aspect of it. But using that as "saving Americans money," I mean, just come on.

Originally Posted By NN300BLK:

No one claimed he supported "all Pro-2A bills." But more importantly this so-called monumental NFA change was just a rider on a massive budget bill lowering the tax stamp to zero dollars. We have enjoyed a small victory in the legal fight to getting the NFA tossed out. There's a lot of work to do.

Getting zero-dollar tax stamps and potentially getting the NFA thrown out by the courts, while an excellent goal and something I support, isn't the "final boss" of gun control and a defensible argument can be made for not voting for the OBBB because of its onerous spending provisions (the poorly cooked feast in my previous analogy) despite the carrot of the zero-dollar tax stamps (the dinner mint in my analogy). The idea that a principled conservative should violate his principles and keep funding deficit spending and a rapidly growing national debt that will negatively affect the lives of all Americans if we don't get it under control in order to lower a special purpose tax on one special interest that may allow the law to be thrown out by courts to not violate his principles is a logical non-sequitur: Massie probably would have voted to repeal the NFA in its entirety if given the chance, but in this case that would have meant voting for spending that he did not agree with or believe was in the best interest of the country. It was a lose-lose.

Look at his track record. He has sponsored Pro-2A bills.

I asked Gemini: "List pro-2a bills introduced or sponsored or cosponsored by Thomas Massie."

Gemini: "Representative Thomas Massie has consistently introduced and championed several major pro-Second Amendment bills throughout his tenure in Congress. Key pieces of legislation that he has introduced or sponsored include:

* **National Constitutional Carry Act (previously introduced as the Real Constitutional Carry Act)**: This legislation (such as H.R. 645) prohibits state and local governments from penalizing or restricting eligible U.S. citizens from carrying firearms in public spaces, ensuring nationwide recognition of constitutional carry without requiring a government-issued permit.
* **Second Amendment For Every Registrable Voter Act (SAFER Voter Act)**: First introduced and repeatedly reintroduced by Rep. Massie (such as H.R. 1643), this bill repeals the federal restriction that prevents voting-age adults aged 18 to 20 from purchasing handguns from Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs).
* **Safe Students Act**: Originally introduced as H.R. 7415, this bill seeks to repeal the federal "Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990," eliminating the one-size-fits-all federal ban on firearms in school zones and returning authority over gun policies back to local jurisdictions and states.

[Thomas Massie Defends Gun Rights in Fiery Senate Testimony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5GzYw1bYg)

This video provides context regarding Thomas Massie's defense of the Second Amendment and his active legislative advocacy for measures like national constitutional carry and expanded gun rights before Congress."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et5GzYw1bYg

Originally Posted By Caeser2001:


Fuck the constitution. Party above all else amirite.