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Wow! Just wow! Had to spend a couple hours in the big city last weekend. We’ve been to all the high end stores that city has to offer-meh-so we ended up at the Guitar Center in Boise. It was an actual good experience-and very different from other GC’s we’ve been to. I went in to see and play Yamaha guitars cause I’ve been hearing—-well—hype. This particular GC had Gibsons, Taylor’s, and Martins….. all over $3k with some touching the $5K range-a good starting point for us. D28’s, OOO’s OM’s, J-45’s Doves, Hummingbirds, and a couple of very shiny high end(ish) Taylor’s. They didn’t have any of the small shop Japanese made Yamaha’s so I played the next best thing-a Chinese built Yamaha FG3 (Red Label) that was GC priced at $1,200. Then I picked up one that was $580.00 or something like that…. The hype is real. These guitars are no joke GREAT values and sound amazing for the money. Wife was Pissed!!!!!! I got the; “Why are we buying $XXXXX guitars when you liked that one so well”, lecture the next day. LOL. Love these Driftwood guitar torture test videos.  We Cut Open A Yamaha Acoustic Guitar To Show You How Good They Really Are! A Yamaha FG830 Review |
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Originally Posted By Hillcountry: Check out ZAGER guitars…Taylor/Martin/Gibson quality at “no middleman” prices! 🤣 snort….. Having owned a couple of Zagers…. It’s true- they are absolutely Gibson level quality. But Martin and Taylor are better for $2k more. For the money—-Yamaha blows the all away. |
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My first guitar ever was a yahama acoustic from service merchandise. It was a good guitar. If anything, the bridge was high and the shape of the neck made it a bit harder to play. Learning to play on that was like spending the first 4 years of your life wearing ankle weights. When you go to play any other guitar, its like the weights come off and you're in easy mode. My current acoustic is hand built from scratch. My uncle built guitars and sold as kits on ebay back around 2005. For the body, sound board, and bracing, he had the blueprints from taylor back in like WW2 era. The neck and fretboard we custom compound radiused to fit my hands and playing style. |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Wow! Just wow! Had to spend a couple hours in the big city last weekend. We've been to all the high end stores that city has to offer-meh-so we ended up at the Guitar Center in Boise. It was an actual good experience-and very different from other GC's we've been to. I went in to see and play Yamaha guitars cause I've been hearing -well hype. This particular GC had Gibsons, Taylor's, and Martins .. all over $3k with some touching the $5K range-a good starting point for us. D28's, OOO's OM's, J-45's Doves, Hummingbirds, and a couple of very shiny high end(ish) Taylor's. They didn't have any of the small shop Japanese made Yamaha's so I played the next best thing-a Chinese built Yamaha FG3 (Red Label) that was GC priced at $1,200. Then I picked up one that was $580.00 or something like that . The hype is real. These guitars are no joke GREAT values and sound amazing for the money. Wife was Pissed!!!!!! I got the; "Why are we buying $XXXXX guitars when you liked that one so well", lecture the next day. LOL. Love these Driftwood guitar torture test videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhnRjxUJ-8AThe one on the left is a 2017 FG 700S. This was the precursor to the FG 8xx series and doesn't have scalloped braces and is probably more overbuilt than the 8xx's. It doesn't sound great as a strummer, but I love the sounds it makes when picking inividual strings. The one on the right is a 2025 FG3. It's in the shop right now getting a professional fret job and bone nut/saddle installed. I changed the plastic bridge pins to ebony and changed the strings, shortly after getting it. It sounds amazing, not matter how it's played. Blows my Taylor, which wasn't much less expensive, away. I agree. I've spent a few hours at GC and the Yamaha FG3's sound as good or better than the $3000-$4000 Martins, Gibsons and Taylors. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: 🤣 snort….. Having owned a couple of Zagers…. It’s true- they are absolutely Gibson level quality. But Martin and Taylor are better for $2k more. For the money—-Yamaha blows the all away. Depends… have owned all 3 manufacturers guitars and “for the money” Zager is pretty damned good. My Taylor was awe inspiring but the Martin was nowhere near as playable nor as good sounding. Just my experience. OP was looking for VALUE, thus my suggestion. |
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Originally Posted By Hillcountry: Depends… have owned all 3 manufacturers guitars and “for the money” Zager is pretty damned good. My Taylor was awe inspiring but the Martin was nowhere near as playable nor as good sounding. Just my experience. OP was looking for VALUE, thus my suggestion. Originally Posted By Hillcountry: Originally Posted By BTccw: 🤣 snort….. Having owned a couple of Zagers…. It’s true- they are absolutely Gibson level quality. But Martin and Taylor are better for $2k more. For the money—-Yamaha blows the all away. Depends… have owned all 3 manufacturers guitars and “for the money” Zager is pretty damned good. My Taylor was awe inspiring but the Martin was nowhere near as playable nor as good sounding. Just my experience. OP was looking for VALUE, thus my suggestion. Let me say it a different way; One of my Zagers a ZAD50 was about $1k. When I bought it that was the nicest guitar I had ever played. It started my guitar journey…..and while I wish I still had that one-just for the memories…. My ZAD 80 was a new and more expensive flashy piece of junk compared to anything else I owned but I was curious. It’s been Zager now that taught me not to trust the hype. Along comes Yamaha and more hype-only it’s really not. Yamaha, even the $480.00 guitar I played the other day, was a better sounding and better built guitar than anything Zager is even capable of producing….and I hate saying that about a Chicom guitar. I can’t wait to try one that is a real Japanese built one. |
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I grew up learning piano on a Yamaha baby grand. Excellent piano and my brother still has it 60 years later. I own a Yamaha made in Taiwan in the early days of Yamaha off shoring (from Japan). The Taiwanese factory took it as a challenge to make guitars as good as the Japanese ones. It's about 50 years old and plays and sounds equal to a similar RW/Spruce dreadnaught from Martin of that era. I used to have a AC5R which was excellent build quality and tone. Got rid of it only because instead of a 1 3/4 nut it was 1 11/16. Yeah I am fussy. I am lucky enough in life to own at least 5 acoustics that would all retail for over $8K today. No, these Yamahas aren't at that level. But the gap is smaller than one would think. Anyone new to guitar that has $1000 to spend could do a lot worse than buying a Yamaha. |
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Originally Posted By jimmybcool: I grew up learning piano on a Yamaha baby grand. Excellent piano and my brother still has it 60 years later. I own a Yamaha made in Taiwan in the early days of Yamaha off shoring (from Japan). The Taiwanese factory took it as a challenge to make guitars as good as the Japanese ones. It's about 50 years old and plays and sounds equal to a similar RW/Spruce dreadnaught from Martin of that era. I used to have a AC5R which was excellent build quality and tone. Got rid of it only because instead of a 1 3/4 nut it was 1 11/16. Yeah I am fussy. I am lucky enough in life to own at least 5 acoustics that would all retail for over $8K today. No, these Yamahas aren't at that level. But the gap is smaller than one would think. Anyone new to guitar that has $1000 to spend could do a lot worse than buying a Yamaha. A guy at church wanted my advice on upgrading his daughter’s Cort guitar. Like you… I don’t own inexpensive ones so I didn’t really know what to tell him so I asked what his budget was; knowing $1k is “entry level” anymore, and understanding that is crazy talk to 95% of people. But for half that in a Yamaha…. You’ve upgraded. Daily music trivia; The Yamaha logo is three tuning forks. |
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I have a Yamaha 700S I put a bone nut and saddle in it and lowered the action to 7 thousands and I really like it. I alternate playing that and the Zager 50 I really want a solid rosewood guitar but just dont see me spendng $3000 on a martin. I sid play the yamaha LL-TA solid rosewood but after 30 minutes they took it away from me  . I almost bought it, maybe would have if the didnt tske it away |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I have a Yamaha 700S I put a bone nut and saddle in it and lowered the action to 7 thousands and I really like it. I alternate playing that and the Zager 50 I really want a solid rosewood guitar but just dont see me spendng $3000 on a martin. I sid play the yamaha LL-TA solid rosewood but after 30 minutes they took it away from me . I almost bought it, maybe would have if the didnt tske it awayI was in Thailand January and February and wanted a guitar to keep there for the 2 months a year I am there. I also wanted solid rosewood/spruce. I found a Sata Yairi guitar for $600. Essentially it is a Martin D35 clone made in 1975. I t was hand made in Japan in 1975 and honestly it plays and sounds fantastic. Sometimes you have to look past the name on the headstock.' |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: A guy at church wanted my advice on upgrading his daughter's Cort guitar. Like you I don't own inexpensive ones so I didn't really know what to tell him so I asked what his budget was; knowing $1k is "entry level" anymore, and understanding that is crazy talk to 95% of people. But for half that in a Yamaha . You've upgraded. Daily music trivia; The Yamaha logo is three tuning forks.  Attached File |
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Originally Posted By corwin1968: My headstock doesn't say "Yamaha", it has the three tuning forks logo. I didn't even realize what the logo represented until I saw it mentioned somewhere online. Probably mental blockage due to very bad experiences trying to tune a guitar with a tuning fork, when I was 10 years old. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42575/ILM261304-detail1-xlarge_jpg_auto_webp-3735633.JPG Originally Posted By corwin1968: Originally Posted By BTccw: A guy at church wanted my advice on upgrading his daughter's Cort guitar. Like you I don't own inexpensive ones so I didn't really know what to tell him so I asked what his budget was; knowing $1k is "entry level" anymore, and understanding that is crazy talk to 95% of people. But for half that in a Yamaha . You've upgraded. Daily music trivia; The Yamaha logo is three tuning forks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42575/ILM261304-detail1-xlarge_jpg_auto_webp-3735633.JPG I can’t tune by ear either. I can tell when it’s out… but I usually can’t hear exactly why. Most of the time it’s the B string. Someone told me that a lot of our electrical devices(refrigerators for example) emit a “hum” in Bb which helps explain things for me. |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: I can't tune by ear either. I can tell when it's out but I usually can't hear exactly why. Most of the time it's the B string. Someone told me that a lot of our electrical devices(refrigerators for example) emit a "hum" in Bb which helps explain things for me. Originally Posted By BTccw: Originally Posted By corwin1968: Originally Posted By BTccw: A guy at church wanted my advice on upgrading his daughter's Cort guitar. Like you I don't own inexpensive ones so I didn't really know what to tell him so I asked what his budget was; knowing $1k is "entry level" anymore, and understanding that is crazy talk to 95% of people. But for half that in a Yamaha . You've upgraded. Daily music trivia; The Yamaha logo is three tuning forks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42575/ILM261304-detail1-xlarge_jpg_auto_webp-3735633.JPG I can't tune by ear either. I can tell when it's out but I usually can't hear exactly why. Most of the time it's the B string. Someone told me that a lot of our electrical devices(refrigerators for example) emit a "hum" in Bb which helps explain things for me. |
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Telephone dialtone used to have 440Hz in it. Tuning forks are very easy to use, just listen for the "beating" or oscillations getting slower as you get close. Yamaha makes great instruments. I will still take my vintage D-28 over anything I've played made since 1990 or so but obviously that is a different beast. |
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Originally Posted By RickFinsta: Telephone dialtone used to have 440Hz in it. Tuning forks are very easy to use, just listen for the "beating" or oscillations getting slower as you get close. Yamaha makes great instruments. I will still take my vintage D-28 over anything I've played made since 1990 or so but obviously that is a different beast. I view vintage D-28 the same way I do McCallan 18 year old scotch. You can get better but it is the standard which everything is measured against. |
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Originally Posted By RickFinsta: Just think some people prefer mahogany backs and sides. *shudder* It’s a milk chocolate/dark chocolate debate. I have two stunning hog/Adi guitars that work well with most voices. Those are the milk chocolates. My BA and African Blackwood/Red wood are the dark chocolate. White chocolate is…Maple? |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: It’s a milk chocolate/dark chocolate debate. I have two stunning hog/Adi guitars that work well with most voices. Those are the milk chocolates. My BA and African Blackwood/Red wood are the dark chocolate. White chocolate is…Maple? I KNOW I'M gonna feel dumb but what is BA? |
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Originally Posted By RickFinsta: Just think some people prefer mahogany backs and sides. *shudder* Attached File 
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Originally Posted By Mach: What do you guys think of the Chinese Yamahas like the LL16 and the japanese made LL26 Chinese guitars are closing whatever gap there is at a given price point. Given the choice I’d prefer the Japanese one though. |
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Originally Posted By BTccw: Chinese guitars are closing whatever gap there is at a given price point. Given the choice I'd prefer the Japanese one though. Originally Posted By BTccw: Originally Posted By Mach: What do you guys think of the Chinese Yamahas like the LL16 and the japanese made LL26 Chinese guitars are closing whatever gap there is at a given price point. Given the choice I'd prefer the Japanese one though. I just want was a nice sounding well made acoustic with a gloss sitka spruce top and solid rosewood back and sides and the binding will not peel off. This seems to fit that nicely. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: What do you guys think of the Chinese Yamahas like the LL16 and the japanese made LL26 The Yamaha videos by J.P. Gromier is what got me into my Yamaha kick...  GSWJ - The Holy Trinity of Yamaha Handmades, Part 1- LJ26 Review Wish they still made the LJ26; the LJ36 is just outside what I am willing to spend. |
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Originally Posted By splitbolt: The Yamaha videos by J.P. Gromier is what got me into my Yamaha kick... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMSyDdkmvtEWish they still made the LJ26; the LJ36 is just outside what I am willing to spend. Originally Posted By splitbolt: Originally Posted By Mach: What do you guys think of the Chinese Yamahas like the LL16 and the japanese made LL26 The Yamaha videos by J.P. Gromier is what got me into my Yamaha kick... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMSyDdkmvtEWish they still made the LJ26; the LJ36 is just outside what I am willing to spend. There are a couple on Reverb I’m watching now. As for JP -I am influenced WAY too much by this guy. He is the catalyst for my current Yamaha jag. But he also turned me on to Boucher guitars and he is right about them as well. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: Yeah, now I am looking at a Yamaha A5R, made in Japan. I just was a nice sounding well made acoustic with a gloss sitka spruce top and solid rosewood back and sides and the binding will not peel off. This seems to fit that nicely. I had one in Thailand. It is a quality instrument with quality parts. Action was fine. Tone was excellent. Fit and finish top notch. Only reason I sold it is the nut size. When I bought it I didn't realize the nut is 1 11/16. My other guitars are all 1 3/4. Yeah very fussy if that 1/16 inch difference matters but it did to me. Other wise the AC5R is every bit as good a guitar as the current made in USA Martins - IMO. |
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Originally Posted By splitbolt: The Yamaha videos by J.P. Gromier is what got me into my Yamaha kick... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMSyDdkmvtEWish they still made the LJ26; the LJ36 is just outside what I am willing to spend. Sweetwater has one. ( ETA: But that serial number does not decode like it should. Based on the first letter being I which equals 2 as the year, that does not look like a new guitar ) https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LL26ARENAT--yamaha-ll26-are-original-jumbo-natural?_queryID=8066378dabc03f33e4ecb2ff9c3f0eee&_index=production_products |
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Originally Posted By splitbolt: LL26(dred) is still available... I am lamenting the LJ26(jumbo)thanks for clarifying. I was looking at the dreads The one on Sweetwater is a jumbo |
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Originally Posted By Mach: The one on Sweetwater is a jumbo LL=dred LJ=jumbo LS=concert Calling it an "original jumbo" is conflating... LLs are shaped like a dred on the upper bout and are jumbo-ish on the lower bout. The Yamaha in-between(Martin-Gibson) shape... LJs are a jumbo all around; upper bout, lower bout and thickness. |
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Originally Posted By splitbolt: LL=dred LJ=jumbo LS=concert Calling it an "original jumbo" is conflating... LLs are shaped like a dred on the upper bout and are jumbo-ish on the lower bout. The Yamaha in-between(Martin-Gibson) shape... LJs are a jumbo all around; upper bout, lower bout and thickness. Originally Posted By splitbolt: Originally Posted By Mach: The one on Sweetwater is a jumbo LL=dred LJ=jumbo LS=concert Calling it an "original jumbo" is conflating... LLs are shaped like a dred on the upper bout and are jumbo-ish on the lower bout. The Yamaha in-between(Martin-Gibson) shape... LJs are a jumbo all around; upper bout, lower bout and thickness. The confusing part was Sweetwater Description has the LL26 calling it a jumbo. ( ETA: The price went up $500 over night! ) https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LL26ARENAT--yamaha-ll26-are-original-jumbo-natural?serial=IKN054A |
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Originally Posted By Mach: Thanks. I didn't know know, now it makes sense. The confusing part was Sweetwater Description has the LL26 calling it a jumbo. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LL26ARENAT--yamaha-ll26-are-original-jumbo-natural?serial=IKN054A LL36 vs LJ36 vs LS36    |
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I think I've finally moved back to spending most of my guitar time on an acoustic. Acoustic has always been my preference, primarily because the kind of music I've preferred for the past 50 years is more biased in that direction. In March, I took my nice Yamaha FG3 a to local luthier for a full fret job, which he said would take about four weeks. In the meantime, I started playing around with my Strat, and not wanting my wife (or anyone else) to hear me, I ordered a headphone modeling amp and that got me going on electric in a huge way. So much so, that I bought a Telecaster to go with my Strat!! Well, the Yamaha actually took a bit over five weeks to be finished and when I got it back, I hated it. It felt super stiff and hard to play, especially the "B" and "G" strings at the first fret. I wondered (still do) if he put heavier strings on it, but I also assumed it was mostly from spending 5 weeks playing 9's on my Strat, plus the stiffness of new strings. I got the Yamaha out a few times, but just couldn't stand messing with it. In the past week, I've gotten it out more and more and now I'm back to loving acoustic. I don't know if I just got used to the new setup or the strings loosened a bit or what, but it's easily playable now. I have three acoustic guitars. The nice FG3 rests in a case with humidity control, so it's a bit of a PITA to get out and play. My $100 Yamaha FG700S is hanging on the wall, in arms reach, and is the one I play the most, for that reason. My Taylor is in a case, in the closet, out of sight, out of mind. Nothing wrong with Taylor, I just like my Yamaha's more. So far, the only guitar model that has reliably impressed me more than my FG3, is a D-28. The J-45 and D-18 are really hit-or-miss, but the D-28's.....holy shit!!
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Originally Posted By corwin1968: I think I've finally moved back to spending most of my guitar time on an acoustic. Acoustic has always been my preference, primarily because the kind of music I've preferred for the past 50 years is more biased in that direction. In March, I took my nice Yamaha FG3 a to local luthier for a full fret job, which he said would take about four weeks. In the meantime, I started playing around with my Strat, and not wanting my wife (or anyone else) to hear me, I ordered a headphone modeling amp and that got me going on electric in a huge way. So much so, that I bought a Telecaster to go with my Strat!! Well, the Yamaha actually took a bit over five weeks to be finished and when I got it back, I hated it. It felt super stiff and hard to play, especially the "B" and "G" strings at the first fret. I wondered (still do) if he put heavier strings on it, but I also assumed it was mostly from spending 5 weeks playing 9's on my Strat, plus the stiffness of new strings. I got the Yamaha out a few times, but just couldn't stand messing with it. In the past week, I've gotten it out more and more and now I'm back to loving acoustic. I don't know if I just got used to the new setup or the strings loosened a bit or what, but it's easily playable now. I have three acoustic guitars. The nice FG3 rests in a case with humidity control, so it's a bit of a PITA to get out and play. My $100 Yamaha FG700S is hanging on the wall, in arms reach, and is the one I play the most, for that reason. My Taylor is in a case, in the closet, out of sight, out of mind. Nothing wrong with Taylor, I just like my Yamaha's more. So far, the only guitar model that has reliably impressed me more than my FG3, is a D-28. The J-45 and D-18 are really hit-or-miss, but the D-28's.....holy shit!! I also play electric with a small head phone amp and a full size processor with head phones and even took a headless Latitude strat and took the neck screws out and replaced them with inserts and bolts so I take take it apart and it fits into a small backpack for transport on an aircraft under the seat fir when I go places by jet. But I have not tooled my SG, strat or headless in 6 months due to falling in love with acoustics. |
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Originally Posted By corwin1968: The tiniest bit out of tune is glaringly apparent to me, but if it's just a little, I can't tell if it's sharp or flat. Seems like it should be easy to tell, but not for me. Maybe with time, that will improve. Originally Posted By corwin1968: Originally Posted By BTccw: Originally Posted By corwin1968: Originally Posted By BTccw: A guy at church wanted my advice on upgrading his daughter's Cort guitar. Like you I don't own inexpensive ones so I didn't really know what to tell him so I asked what his budget was; knowing $1k is "entry level" anymore, and understanding that is crazy talk to 95% of people. But for half that in a Yamaha . You've upgraded. Daily music trivia; The Yamaha logo is three tuning forks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42575/ILM261304-detail1-xlarge_jpg_auto_webp-3735633.JPG I can't tune by ear either. I can tell when it's out but I usually can't hear exactly why. Most of the time it's the B string. Someone told me that a lot of our electrical devices(refrigerators for example) emit a "hum" in Bb which helps explain things for me. iPhones (app?) are pretty good for tuning in a pinch and as long as the room is quiet. Remember to always go flat and then up to tune. |
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Originally Posted By Intune: iPhones (app?) are pretty good for tuning in a pinch and as long as the room is quiet. Remember to always go flat and then up to tune. Originally Posted By Intune: Originally Posted By corwin1968: Originally Posted By BTccw: Originally Posted By corwin1968: Originally Posted By BTccw: A guy at church wanted my advice on upgrading his daughter's Cort guitar. Like you I don't own inexpensive ones so I didn't really know what to tell him so I asked what his budget was; knowing $1k is "entry level" anymore, and understanding that is crazy talk to 95% of people. But for half that in a Yamaha . You've upgraded. Daily music trivia; The Yamaha logo is three tuning forks. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/42575/ILM261304-detail1-xlarge_jpg_auto_webp-3735633.JPG I can't tune by ear either. I can tell when it's out but I usually can't hear exactly why. Most of the time it's the B string. Someone told me that a lot of our electrical devices(refrigerators for example) emit a "hum" in Bb which helps explain things for me. iPhones (app?) are pretty good for tuning in a pinch and as long as the room is quiet. Remember to always go flat and then up to tune. If you had said tune in 3’ds we would have outted you as Vince Gil’s ARF account. 
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I've gone back and forth, but I think I've decided I'm going to sell my Yamaha FG3. It's an amazing guitar but even after a professional setup and full fret job, it's much more difficult to play than my Taylor 110e. I think the neck is just too thick and I have trouble transitioning the muting thumb on the low "E" when changing chords, while the changes are totally smooth with my Taylor and it's thinner neck. I've even gone down to 11 gauge strings and I still have the same problem. It's a shame, because it's a very nice guitar and sounds better than the Taylor. I guess I'll just have to buy a better sounding Taylor.
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Perfectly valid reason to move on. The issue might be nut width. Your FG3 is 1.75 while the 110 is 1.672. Personally I sold a Yamaha AC5R which sounded great because it had a 1.672 nut and my hands fit better in the wider 1.75. So check out Yamahas with the narrower nut and see if that works for you |
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Originally Posted By jimmybcool: Perfectly valid reason to move on. The issue might be nut width. Your FG3 is 1.75 while the 110 is 1.672. Personally I sold a Yamaha AC5R which sounded great because it had a 1.672 nut and my hands fit better in the wider 1.75. So check out Yamahas with the narrower nut and see if that works for you |
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