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Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Has there been ANYONE yet to demonstrate moving (great distances) those yuuuuge stones and putting them togather like that?  AMAZING VIDEO! Man Lifts 20 Ton Block By Hand?  Moving Heavy Stones   Page 4 owned. |
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Originally Posted By livfreely:
People don’t think the Bible be like it do but it is. The civilization that lived before the Nohaic Biblical flood were far advanced to where we are now. Read the Bible up to Genesis Chapter 9 carefully.  Jim Vieira: A Giant Problem in Ancient America | Lecture at CoSM in New York | Part 2 |
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Originally Posted By FistPeso: That is the bottom line. If the Bible is authentic, then the evidence will exist for everything in it, including the giants of the old. Guess what, it does. Why does the Smithsonian no longer have these giant bones that they collected? That is a good question, but science is always political. And politics is about power and control. If you seek the truth and are dependent on institutions like the Smithsonian Institute, you are naive. The real world is about power and control of information.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2RT6-HZZms |
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Originally Posted By FistPeso:
I am just a reporter. I haven't personally investigated the matter YET. Originally Posted By FistPeso:
Originally Posted By wakeboarder: Are you implying the Smithsonian is hiding paradigm shifting human remains from researchers and the public? 
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| There is actually a scientific theory/name for modern humans always thinking we are smarter than past humans; even though the human brain has not changed for hundreds of thousands of years. |
So you are saying God hates these endangered ducks?
No, I am just saying that if God liked ducks they wouldn't be endangered.
No, I am just saying that if God liked ducks they wouldn't be endangered.
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder: Hm. Well I have spent months in the Smithsonian storage rooms alongside the best osteologists in the country (arguably the world), and now I feel massively cheated by not seeing these remains |
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Originally Posted By headstoner: You have no idea what you are talking about. They have tons of diamonds in south America, put one on the end of a stick and you can drill through rock. Hit a rock with a harder rock and you can easily shape the softer stone. I still use a hammer and chisel ( not hardened) to do a lot of stone shaping. Rocks break fairly easy and in very straight lines if you do it correctly. |
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Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
Srs? Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
Originally Posted By turbo_infidel:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
The Anunnaki. Why is our society based around Gold? Just because its shiny? Or maybe because we were created to mine it, as it was the most valuable thing to the gods? Humans are completely incompatible with the earth, we need to age 10+ years before we can do anything, need to literally wear animals to endure the cold, wear animals on our feet... etc.. Nibiru is coming I find most people that can't even think about something like this usually have strong religious convictions that somewhat prevent them from even thinking about this perceived "sin".. |
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Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
Are you implying the Smithsonian is hiding paradigm shifting human remains from researchers and the public? Originally Posted By wakeboarder:
Originally Posted By FistPeso: That is the bottom line. If the Bible is authentic, then the evidence will exist for everything in it, including the giants of the old. Guess what, it does. Why does the Smithsonian no longer have these giant bones that they collected? That is a good question, but science is always political. And politics is about power and control. If you seek the truth and are dependent on institutions like the Smithsonian Institute, you are naive. The real world is about power and control of information. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2RT6-HZZms |
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Originally Posted By WinstonSmith: Cut a small notch in marble. Stick a piece of dry timber in it cut closely to fit. Do this a bunch more times in a line. Soak the timbers. Crrrrrraaaaaaack. That’s how Hatshepsut’s obelisks were cut. |
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Originally Posted By Storz:
Went to Peru and Machu Picchu earlier this year, its very obvious the older stuff was built with a lot more skill than the newer stuff. There are megaliths all over the place in that country, its absolutely amazing. https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1907/31202127548_a9b17e31e1_b.jpg20180407_151714 by _Storz_, on Flickr Compare what you can see on the right side of the photo to the construction on the left and behind. My thoughts are that the Inca inherited these megalithic sights and built on top of them (not uncommon in the ancient world) trying to emulate what they saw, but without the extreme precision of their forbearers. The very square blocks on the right in the photo actually represent the "middle" building period according to some researchers, the earliest blocks are the larger non-uniform building technique in the bottom photo, that appear to be 'melted' together almost (behind the Mrs). Seeing it in person is pretty memorable! https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4811/32510794158_3d6ef9c4dc_b.jpg20180407_152910 by _Storz_, on Flickr https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4830/45659732694_57b9e7b413_b.jpg20180410_154605 by _Storz_, on Flickr |
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Originally Posted By Jodquist:
I appreciated this post Originally Posted By Jodquist:
Originally Posted By JAD762: Just as Bigfoot must always be out of focus, muddynativepeso must always be vauge. Just the nature of the creature. |
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This whole video is full of stupid along with the author.
The Machu Picchu site was in severe decay when found. Many walls were falling down. For re-construction walls were rebuilt to represent the Inca time. Here's how it looked when discovered, completely overgrown. There's a wall that was being built when the Spaniards arrived and told the few living there to go. It shows the craftsmanship 
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Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
Making a "through" hole is much easier than making a square sided with a bottom cutout in a stone like was done at PumaPunka that I posted above. Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
Originally Posted By Alacrity:
The stone at PumaPunku is Andesite (which I was told was relatively hard, but not extremely so) and sandstone - not so much. Most of the detailed "windows" and "monuments" are in the Andesite - but nowhere I've seen any explanation how it was done. I always assumed some kind of abrasion, kinda like the way Egyptians made holes. There were a lot of pounding stone found in the Andesite quarries, but always wondered how the details and cutting through was accomplished. I'm sure there masonry trucks, but I have no idea what they are. What are your thoughts? Attached File Don't have access to mine so I cribbed these at Handcocks site. So how's that done? Without iron? Assumed it was abrasives - lot of complexity I agree. Someone mentioned there's evidence of iron use in pre-Columbian SA, but I'm not aware of it. Love to be pointed there. Attached File As LJE mentioned there's been some liberal reconstruction - as above - but I don't think any of it involved cutting the monuments. The copper anchor system was intended to hold blocks together so this happened over a long enough time to realize effects. And there were hundreds on thousand of potential workers in a society that was committed to building ritual centers. It was likely the life work of many. But I still done get how they did some things. But neither do I believe it was ET - just very clever humans. The iron hoop wheel (as opposed to straked) was common throughout the Roman Empire but only re-emerged in the mid 1800s in America, later in Europe. So things get lost. But still fascinating. |
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Originally Posted By headstoner:
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
Has there been ANYONE yet to demonstrate moving (great distances) those yuuuuge stones and putting them togather like that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5pZ7uR6v8c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek3mxmNroGQhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/hqdefault__1_-777946.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/464920/maxresdefault__1_-777947.jpg |
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How dare you cloud the issue with facts and examples.
In before the fake video people. In all seriousness no amount of proof will convince these people.They WANT to believe some interstellar group of aliens built this and they flat will not let reason stand in their way.It's like trying to talk sense to the flat earth/Bigfoot/Hitler escaped nuts.They have made up their minds and have no use for facts,common sense or logic. |
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz:
If you're bored, watch this video that debunks all those "has to be aliens or earlier people" claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92EBm4ZIU_I
And his website: https://www.ancientaliensdebunked.com/ |
| Surely he is an Alien abductee and was given that information |
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Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Surely he is an Alien abductee and was given that information |
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Originally Posted By turbo_infidel:
why not? it's a interesting thought experiment if nothing else, and it is the oldest human "creation story" . I find most people that can't even think about something like this usually have strong religious convictions that somewhat prevent them from even thinking about this perceived "sin".. Originally Posted By turbo_infidel:
Originally Posted By Fidel_Cashflow:
Originally Posted By turbo_infidel:
Originally Posted By motown_steve:
The Anunnaki. Why is our society based around Gold? Just because its shiny? Or maybe because we were created to mine it, as it was the most valuable thing to the gods? Humans are completely incompatible with the earth, we need to age 10+ years before we can do anything, need to literally wear animals to endure the cold, wear animals on our feet... etc.. Nibiru is coming I find most people that can't even think about something like this usually have strong religious convictions that somewhat prevent them from even thinking about this perceived "sin".. |
This sentence is false.
 Arnaldo Costa Stone Mason Extroardinaire They could have used stone wedges and hammers, or wooden wedges and water to the same effect. |
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Originally Posted By Fuchi:
Its stamped concrete :) Back to the concrete - from the time I first saw these walls in books 50 years ago I had the feeling that whatever made them had the ability to 'de-construct' the stone, mold it somehow into these fantastic and integrated shapes, return the completed stones to their solid state and then build the wall. I believe this work required a computing power that we do not yet have, not to mention the power to play around with the state of blocks of stone so they can be malleable and then re-hardened. When others say these things were not done by bronze-age people who didn't even have the wheel, this kind of thing is what they're thinking of. |
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Originally Posted By verticalgain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-NsirLXUMkThey could have used stone wedges and hammers, or wooden wedges and water to the same effect. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By kugelblitz: More importantly, why has no museum anywhere displayed those giant's bones? Surely some theocracy, even a Muslim one, or even just a museum like the Noah's Ark one in Kentucky, would be more than willing to haul them in front of the public. Does the Smithsonian have some agreement with every institution of higher learning and museum or something?  NOW YOU WILL SEE THE TRUTH ( GIANTS ) - Klaus Dona |
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Originally Posted By 1saxman:
Interesting comment. If the stones were cast, each form would be unique. Bear in mind that no surface on these stones is parallel to the others. I'm not sure the ability now exists to copy one of these walls even if you allow concrete to be used - the joints would not be as perfect as they are now, and there is definitely no way we could do it with hard stone. Whatever, the natives did not have iron or steel or any other way to cut these hard granite stones, particularly in the odd but totally coordinated random shapes in these walls. It would be more believable if the stones were at least rectangular with parallel surfaces like the Egyptians used, but these random shapes fitting together perfectly without mortar and the walls lasting millennia in an earthquake zone without cracking or the joints opening up is simply not imaginable. Back to the concrete - from the time I first saw these walls in books 50 years ago I had the feeling that whatever made them had the ability to 'de-construct' the stone, mold it somehow into these fantastic and integrated shapes, return the completed stones to their solid state and then build the wall. I believe this work required a computing power that we do not yet have, not to mention the power to play around with the state of blocks of stone so they can be malleable and then re-hardened. When others say these things were not done by bronze-age people who didn't even have the wheel, this kind of thing is what they're thinking of. Originally Posted By 1saxman:
Originally Posted By Fuchi:
Its stamped concrete :) Back to the concrete - from the time I first saw these walls in books 50 years ago I had the feeling that whatever made them had the ability to 'de-construct' the stone, mold it somehow into these fantastic and integrated shapes, return the completed stones to their solid state and then build the wall. I believe this work required a computing power that we do not yet have, not to mention the power to play around with the state of blocks of stone so they can be malleable and then re-hardened. When others say these things were not done by bronze-age people who didn't even have the wheel, this kind of thing is what they're thinking of. The wheel was known - it wasn't useful, so it wasn't used. But, like in various European societies it made its entry as toys. It was never developed though. All the chemical analysis on the rock has indicated - it's chemically identical to the source rocks of the quarries. |
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Originally Posted By Alacrity:
That's gets you slabs - how is the finishing done? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/2E7D3FB9-ED6C-4153-A180-92D83192836A_jpeg-777995.JPG Originally Posted By Alacrity:
Originally Posted By verticalgain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-NsirLXUMkThey could have used stone wedges and hammers, or wooden wedges and water to the same effect. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/2E7D3FB9-ED6C-4153-A180-92D83192836A_jpeg-777995.JPG |
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Originally Posted By Chaingun:
They sanded the stone brick with harder stones. It took forever Originally Posted By Chaingun:
Originally Posted By Alacrity:
Originally Posted By verticalgain:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-NsirLXUMkThey could have used stone wedges and hammers, or wooden wedges and water to the same effect. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/14291/2E7D3FB9-ED6C-4153-A180-92D83192836A_jpeg-777995.JPG But how do you get those inside corners? They did have arsenical bronze, maybe get it rough then pick at it forever as well? Or maybe use a hard mineral tip? Those planes aren't like milled flat - they look flatter in photos - but they are damn close |
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| They had a dark colored hamerstone, high in iron, that would chip away at the granite. Watch one of the educational channels on TV sometime. Hammerstones are still laying there. Much more impressive than what the Mayans did with limestone. Also had channels in the rock to run water to cisterns and to the crops they grew. Sad thing was that a couple hundred Spanish conquered the several thousand member tribe, so easily. |
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Originally Posted By Windustsearch:
No it isn't. Originally Posted By Windustsearch:
Originally Posted By RIO-lover:
Making a "through" hole is much easier than making a square sided with a bottom cutout in a stone like was done at PumaPunka that I posted above. Serious question because I've never been able to get an answer. The Uros certainly can't say, and my Bolivian friends were mostly full of shit 
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Watch this video, the explanation starts at 5:20.
 A Hypothesis: How Did They Build the Peruvian Stone Walls? | Ancient Architects |
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Originally Posted By waterglass:
I dunno how it was done, but until I see someone do it with copper chisels and without wood or the wheel I kinda doubt it was the Inca. I'm talking about the huge megalithic stuff. Not the stuff built on top of it and around it. |
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Originally Posted By 1saxman: Interesting comment. If the stones were cast, each form would be unique. Bear in mind that no surface on these stones is parallel to the others. I'm not sure the ability now exists to copy one of these walls even if you allow concrete to be used - the joints would not be as perfect as they are now, and there is definitely no way we could do it with hard stone. Whatever, the natives did not have iron or steel or any other way to cut these hard granite stones, particularly in the odd but totally coordinated random shapes in these walls. It would be more believable if the stones were at least rectangular with parallel surfaces like the Egyptians used, but these random shapes fitting together perfectly without mortar and the walls lasting millennia in an earthquake zone without cracking or the joints opening up is simply not imaginable. Back to the concrete - from the time I first saw these walls in books 50 years ago I had the feeling that whatever made them had the ability to 'de-construct' the stone, mold it somehow into these fantastic and integrated shapes, return the completed stones to their solid state and then build the wall. I believe this work required a computing power that we do not yet have, not to mention the power to play around with the state of blocks of stone so they can be malleable and then re-hardened. When others say these things were not done by bronze-age people who didn't even have the wheel, this kind of thing is what they're thinking of. I'll never tell.  
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Originally Posted By slomofo:
Watch this video, the explanation starts at 5:20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv49DND3uPI
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I have heard some good theories on the ancient races like the the people calming to be decedents of Incas or Mayans are not really their decedents at all. Just like the Egyptians of today are not descendants of the Egyptians that built the pyramids. That they are actually descendants of what we refer to as third worlders today, that the real Incas, Mayan, Egyptian people had their societies overrun and smothered into non-existence by overwhelming numbers of less advanced peoples wanting what they had. What is going on today in Europe and America is history just repeating itself, that a couple thousand years from now the people living in American and Europe will not be the decedents of Americans or Europeans as I am sure they will try and claim. They will be the decedents of the people that smothered western civilization in to non-existence. |
It’s an incredibly sad reflection on the negative impact the once-great history channel has had on our nation, when you can show pictures of some old stone walls and carvings, and a significant portion of the population immediately thinks space aliens.
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Originally Posted By Socio:
I have heard some good theories on the ancient races like the the people calming to be decedents of Incas or Mayans are not really their decedents at all. Just like the Egyptians of today are not descendants of the Egyptians that built the pyramids. That they are actually descendants of what we refer to as third worlders today, that the real Incas, Mayan, Egyptian people had their societies overrun and smothered into non-existence by overwhelming numbers of less advanced peoples wanting what they had. What is going on today in Europe and America is history just repeating itself, that a couple thousand years from now the people living in American and Europe will not be the decedents of Americans or Europeans as I am sure they will try and claim. They will be the decedents of the people that smothered western civilization in to non-existence. Another has has given credence to local Uros as possible descendents of the Tiwanaku culture - as opposed to the Aymara, whose language the Uros seems to have adopted. But genetically they are distinct, in line with their claims as decendents of the builders of Tiwanaku. |
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Originally Posted By OBird:
It’s an incredibly sad reflection on the negative impact the once-great history channel has had on our nation, when you can show pictures of some old stone walls and carvings, and a significant portion of the population immediately thinks space aliens. |
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