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I hope it's there for a bit, lots going only I'll wait for early reviews. Is it the text of the various books attributed to Enoch or extrapolation on information written in the dozen+ books attributed to have written? |
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Originally Posted By brass: I hope it's there for a bit, lots going only I'll wait for early reviews. Is it the text of the various books attributed to Enoch or extrapolation on information written in the dozen+ books attributed to have written?  The Book of Enoch - Full Audiobook With Text (Complete Version) |
Found it The Book of Enoch (2025) | The Watchers and the Nephilim | Full Movie 4K |
We are now watching this which is much better  The Gospel of John |
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Gospel of John movie is quite good. Highly recommend watching . We both fell asleep on and off but managed to watch it in it’s entirety before our normal bedtime. The Enoch movie? Can’t say I can recommend it without maybe reading or watching the other posted video or better yet downloading a pdf copy of the book first to try and get a bit more understanding of what it’s trying to say. I myself will admit to never understanding a lot of what the Old or New Testament bibles have to say. I think partly because of how some stories are missing and others have been twisted by the powers that be that control or try to control us. I’ve only read the Old Testament once and was much younger then. I know I really didn’t like the part in it telling us what we could and couldn’t eat. Maybe it was true and the New Testament is wrong about it being changed and being Ok now. Who am I to say? |
The story about Sophia. There are many different videos on this on Youtube. Sophia’s Fall & the Demiurge: The Gnostic Truth Behind Humanity’s Dark Rulers |
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I am starting to think the "collective unconscious" is now steering the narrative. Things we notice as a one off have been blowing into big news lately. The whole world has been looking at the whole phenomenon heavily since the congressional testimony and hearings where contact with non human intelligences and craft not from this Earth were discussed. That keeps on rolling now, they can't spin it fast enough and are looking silly for trying. Their attempt at watering down and discrediting their own congressional testimony is kind of funny but should help people figure out that the .gov isn't on our side. I wish we could see the unfiltered Google Trends. Right now we're seeing curated trends that don't show things they want the people to stop thinking about. All of google is screwed since 2016 when they just blatantly removed entire concepts from the index, right after they dumped the "Don't be evil" tag and bought Boston Dynamics (military robot place) |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By brass: I am starting to think the "collective unconscious" is now steering the narrative. Things we notice as a one off have been blowing into big news lately. The whole world has been looking at the whole phenomenon heavily since the congressional testimony and hearings where contact with non human intelligences and craft not from this Earth were discussed. That keeps on rolling now, they can't spin it fast enough and are looking silly for trying. Their attempt at watering down and discrediting their own congressional testimony is kind of funny but should help people figure out that the .gov isn't on our side. I wish we could see the unfiltered Google Trends. Right now we're seeing curated trends that don't show things they want the people to stop thinking about. All of google is screwed since 2016 when they just blatantly removed entire concepts from the index, right after they dumped the "Don't be evil" tag and bought Boston Dynamics (military robot place) And the Collective Conscience is growing day by day! |
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Originally Posted By brass: I hope it's there for a bit, lots going only I'll wait for early reviews. Is it the text of the various books attributed to Enoch or extrapolation on information written in the dozen+ books attributed to have written? Originally Posted By brass: I hope it's there for a bit, lots going only I'll wait for early reviews. Is it the text of the various books attributed to Enoch or extrapolation on information written in the dozen+ books attributed to have written? 1st 45 mins of this AA episode w/a Biblical Scholar goes deep into Book of Enoch and addresses your question ~21:30. Worth it to start at 5:30 to get context. Paraphrasing but he said it was an oral tradition, several authors, different times. Possibly pre-younger dryas.  “We Captured a 12 Foot Giant in Afghanistan!” -Tim Alberino 00:00 Introduction 02:47 Sponsors (iRestore / AG1) 05:33 Tim Alberino and the Book of Enoch 13:34 The 200 Watchers Descend to Mount Hermon 19:29 Why the Book of Enoch Was Removed from the Bible 33:55 Did the Antediluvian World Have Advanced Aerospace Technology? 36:27 Where Are the Watchers Now? The Origin of Demons 43:38 The Book of Enoch and Modern UFO Disclosure 53:44 David Flynn's "Cydonia" — The Gods Came from Mars 1:06:12 Mystery Schools, Mars, and Recovering the Lost Knowledge 1:15:07 Fallen Angels Are Not What You Think They Look Like 1:25:00 The Kingdom of Heaven as a Literal Technological Civilization 1:28:42 Armageddon as a Kinetic War with Returning Gods 1:30:03 Tim's UFO Sighting in Brook Park, Ohio 1:44:57 Gray Aliens, Abduction Research, and the Insectoids 2:00:01 David Jacobs and Planetary Acquisition by Stealth 2:25:06 The Coming New Religion — Apotheosis and Disclosure 2:36:12 Cyclic Cataclysm, the Sentelia, and What's Coming 2:50:42 The Kandahar Giant — A C-130 Pilot's Testimony 3:05:05 Why Is Giant Evidence the Most Classified Topic? 3:44:58 Was Jesus a Mystery School Adept? 3:57:38 Jesse's Unified Theory of the Phenomenon 4:29:00 The Peruvian Face Peelers 4:45:54 Talia's Attempted Abduction |
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Originally Posted By brass: I am starting to think the "collective unconscious" is now steering the narrative. Things we notice as a one off have been blowing into big news lately. The whole world has been looking at the whole phenomenon heavily since the congressional testimony and hearings where contact with non human intelligences and craft not from this Earth were discussed. That keeps on rolling now, they can't spin it fast enough and are looking silly for trying. Their attempt at watering down and discrediting their own congressional testimony is kind of funny but should help people figure out that the .gov isn't on our side. I wish we could see the unfiltered Google Trends. Right now we're seeing curated trends that don't show things they want the people to stop thinking about. All of google is screwed since 2016 when they just blatantly removed entire concepts from the index, right after they dumped the "Don't be evil" tag and bought Boston Dynamics (military robot place) Consensus reality? Where we as a collective species create reality? Perhaps our collective reshape the past too? |
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His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
| I'm also wondering if some of the folks within DoD that reportedly believe aliens are demonic (and we shouldn't mess with them) somehow got ahold of Luna either directly or indirectly? I can't recall her previously making religious overtures when it came to UFO's. |
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Originally Posted By kc-coyote: I'm also wondering if some of the folks within DoD that reportedly believe aliens are demonic (and we shouldn't mess with them) somehow got ahold of Luna either directly or indirectly? I can't recall her previously making religious overtures when it came to UFO's. Well the biggest part of the secret is how the Bible and most other religious documents around the world have been purposely misleading us in the name of control and profit by leaving out the many Gnostic text that were all gathered and burned eons ago as well as all the followers except the few that managed to escape being killed. And even many of the words in the bible being twisted just enough to change the narrative but some were missed and that's why the bible is for some like me been hard to fully understand. The Ethiopian bible that was written hundreds of years before and was the true beginnings of Christianity still contains these books and many more teachings. I'm no bible scholar so I can't fully answer this but it needs digging into and Luna who is very religious has learned about this stuff. Ethiopia was the one country that was never colonized and remained with the truth while the Roman church concurred the others. Also the Dead Sea Scrolls that were uncovered 80 years ago and the findings were kept secret until recently confirmed a lot of this. Demonic? Benevolent? I think that may be the biggest question of all. Or a combination of both? |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Well the biggest part of the secret is how the Bible and most other religious documents around the world have been purposely misleading us in the name of control and profit by leaving out the many Gnostic text that were all gathered and burned eons ago as well as all the followers except the few that managed to escape being killed. And even many of the words in the bible being twisted just enough to change the narrative but some were missed and that's why the bible is for some like me been hard to fully understand. The Ethiopian bible that was written hundreds of years before and was the true beginnings of Christianity still contains these books and many more teachings. I'm no bible scholar so I can't fully answer this but it needs digging into and Luna who is very religious has learned about this stuff. Ethiopia was the one country that was never colonized and remained with the truth while the Roman church concurred the others. Also the Dead Sea Scrolls that were uncovered 80 years ago and the findings were kept secret until recently confirmed a lot of this. Demonic? Benevolent? I think that may be the biggest question of all. Or a combination of both? Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By kc-coyote: I'm also wondering if some of the folks within DoD that reportedly believe aliens are demonic (and we shouldn't mess with them) somehow got ahold of Luna either directly or indirectly? I can't recall her previously making religious overtures when it came to UFO's. Well the biggest part of the secret is how the Bible and most other religious documents around the world have been purposely misleading us in the name of control and profit by leaving out the many Gnostic text that were all gathered and burned eons ago as well as all the followers except the few that managed to escape being killed. And even many of the words in the bible being twisted just enough to change the narrative but some were missed and that's why the bible is for some like me been hard to fully understand. The Ethiopian bible that was written hundreds of years before and was the true beginnings of Christianity still contains these books and many more teachings. I'm no bible scholar so I can't fully answer this but it needs digging into and Luna who is very religious has learned about this stuff. Ethiopia was the one country that was never colonized and remained with the truth while the Roman church concurred the others. Also the Dead Sea Scrolls that were uncovered 80 years ago and the findings were kept secret until recently confirmed a lot of this. Demonic? Benevolent? I think that may be the biggest question of all. Or a combination of both? You make a lot of assertions about why the Bible is wrong or that it is being used to control us etc…. Then you say you’re no bible scholar. You seem to trust people trying to discredit the Bible without having knowledge of the Bible. I’ve recently started reading the Bible. Not just for the surface level story knowledge, but looking for deeper understanding and how it all works together. It is an amazing collection of 66 books written by 40 people over 1500 years or so. There is an integrated message between the OT and NT. The entire OT points to Christ if you look. It truly is an amazing book. There’s a saying the NT is concealed in the OT. And the OT is revealed in the NT. I’m not trying to argue with you. Just wanting to share my perspective from some of your comments. |
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Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: You make a lot of assertions about why the Bible is wrong or that it is being used to control us etc…. Then you say you’re no bible scholar. You seem to trust people trying to discredit the Bible without having knowledge of the Bible. I’ve recently started reading the Bible. Not just for the surface level story knowledge, but looking for deeper understanding and how it all works together. It is an amazing collection of 66 books written by 40 people over 1500 years or so. There is an integrated message between the OT and NT. The entire OT points to Christ if you look. It truly is an amazing book. There’s a saying the NT is concealed in the OT. And the OT is revealed in the NT. I’m not trying to argue with you. Just wanting to share my perspective from some of your comments. I think most of the bible is 100% true. Only small portions of it are slightly twisted. The big part is what they left out of it. The book of Thomas which is about Jesus real teachings, the book of Enoch, John, and many others. The Chronicles of Thomas is a real eye opener. If you haven't read it or are familiar with it search it on YT and give it a listen. But no I can't say 100% if I'm right or wrong but when even Luna is now talking about this and many are telling her to read the Ethiopian bible which predates the bibles we have by 100s of years I tend to lean towards we have been lied to by the modern church. And I am a born again Christian since around 2001-2003, forget which year exactly without finding the documents we were given. I guess each of us has to search and try and find the real truth and decide for themselves. I won't force my beliefs on others. But even my wife who has been HEAVILY involved with our church and still is for at least the past 40 years is starting to realize all is not well with the teachings. Cumberland Presbyterian on our case and we live our church. Jesus himself hated the church and wanted people to gather in homes in small groups according to the book of Thomas which is one of the reasons I believe he was killed. But it's getting confusing and for all I know it could also be the devil trying to mislead us.  Somewhere out there the truth must exist though.
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I think most of the bible is 100% true. Only small portions of it are slightly twisted. The big part is what they left out of it. The book of Thomas which is about Jesus real teachings, the book of Enoch, John, and many others. The Chronicles of Thomas is a real eye opener. If you haven't read it or are familiar with it search it on YT and give it a listen. But no I can't say 100% if I'm right or wrong but when even Luna is now talking about this and many are telling her to read the Ethiopian bible which predates the bibles we have by 100s of years I tend to lean towards we have been lied to by the modern church. And I am a born again Christian since around 2001-2003, forget which year exactly without finding the documents we were given. I guess each of us has to search and try and find the real truth and decide for themselves. I won't force my beliefs on others. But even my wife who has been HEAVILY involved with our church and still is for at least the past 40 years is starting to realize all is not well with the teachings. Cumberland Presbyterian on our case and we live our church. Jesus himself hated the church and wanted people to gather in homes in small groups according to the book of Thomas which is one of the reasons I believe he was killed. But it's getting confusing and for all I know it could also be the devil trying to mislead us. Somewhere out there the truth must exist though.Here's the problem with that thinking. Either the Bible is true or it isn't worth reading. If you want some education from a highly regarded biblical scholar start looking up some YouTube videos from Dr Michael S Heiser on topics you want to understand better. |
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Originally Posted By southerncross: Here's the problem with that thinking. Either the Bible is true or it isn't worth reading. If you want some education from a highly regarded biblical scholar start looking up some YouTube videos from Dr Michael S Heiser on topics you want to understand better. Originally Posted By southerncross: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I think most of the bible is 100% true. Only small portions of it are slightly twisted. The big part is what they left out of it. The book of Thomas which is about Jesus real teachings, the book of Enoch, John, and many others. The Chronicles of Thomas is a real eye opener. If you haven't read it or are familiar with it search it on YT and give it a listen. But no I can't say 100% if I'm right or wrong but when even Luna is now talking about this and many are telling her to read the Ethiopian bible which predates the bibles we have by 100s of years I tend to lean towards we have been lied to by the modern church. And I am a born again Christian since around 2001-2003, forget which year exactly without finding the documents we were given. I guess each of us has to search and try and find the real truth and decide for themselves. I won't force my beliefs on others. But even my wife who has been HEAVILY involved with our church and still is for at least the past 40 years is starting to realize all is not well with the teachings. Cumberland Presbyterian on our case and we live our church. Jesus himself hated the church and wanted people to gather in homes in small groups according to the book of Thomas which is one of the reasons I believe he was killed. But it's getting confusing and for all I know it could also be the devil trying to mislead us. Somewhere out there the truth must exist though.Here's the problem with that thinking. Either the Bible is true or it isn't worth reading. If you want some education from a highly regarded biblical scholar start looking up some YouTube videos from Dr Michael S Heiser on topics you want to understand better. At issue is what the Roman Catholic church did to it and it and the fact that they themselves have these ancient Gnostic text locked away in their archives. Just why exactly did the powers at be at the time decide to omit these especially when the bible itself talks of giants and UFOs which back then would have been called angels and demons since they had no understanding otherwise back then? Again this is just me asking and not saying what is or isn't the truth because it has likely been hidden from us so until someone fesses up we won't really ever know. But the archives have been opened and are now being scanned digitally for future preservation which is why I think some of this is beginning to leak out. And I will be the first to admit I could be completely wrong about all this but I do know something has entered my life that is trying to control my habits. |
| Gnostic texts run counter to the Bible. They didn't include them because they are contrary to the scripture. The Vatican/Catholic church is not the arbiter of the word of God. They are just men. Most modern churches tend to write off the miraculous and supernatural nature of Scripture because they aren't scholars and do not understand nor want to believe the entirety of the text. |
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Here’s a good video on the Book of Enoch and other books Start at 46 minutes  Was the Book of Enoch BANNED from the Bible...!? | Live Free with Josh Howerton |
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Originally Posted By southerncross: Gnostic texts run counter to the Bible. They didn't include them because they are contrary to the scripture. The Vatican/Catholic church is not the arbiter of the word of God. They are just men. Most modern churches tend to write off the miraculous and supernatural nature of Scripture because they aren't scholars and do not understand nor want to believe the entirety of the text. Well I tend to believe if it turns out the interdimensional beings do exist as is being strongly suggested then that changes everything. To us humans they are by all means the supernatural. And if you truly believe in God and that god lives in another dimension which is why we cannot see him it pretty much says it all. You have to believe in the supernatural in one way or another to believe that god exist in any form. Whether there is a divine being elsewhere as is preached or as each of us carrying a spark of the divine. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Well I tend to believe if it turns out the interdimensional beings do exist as is being strongly suggested then that changes everything. To us humans they are by all means the supernatural. And if you truly believe in God and that god lives in another dimension which is why we cannot see him it pretty much says it all. You have to believe in the supernatural in one way or another to believe that god exist in any form. Whether there is a divine being elsewhere as is preached or as each of us carrying a spark of the divine. Whatever label you want to ascribe to the spiritual beings that do exist, whether it be interdimensional, spiritual, extraterrestrial, etc, they are clearly spoken of in the Bible in terms that are consistent throughout. Their motivations are made clear in most circumstances in the canonical texts. Biblically, humans are spiritual beings having a physical experience. The idea of the Gnostic texts is the opposite of the totality of the old and new testament scriptures because it teaches that we as individuals can be our own saviors by acquiring the knowledge/gnosis to do so. The Bible is the story of the relationship man, the spiritual beings, and the Creator have with one another over the course of history, and it culminates in his desire for us to return to a spiritual state with him, only being possible via devine sacrifice through his "son" Yeshua/Jesus. The problem with the modern teachings is the totality of learning is left out by well meaning people twisting the contents via "context". There is only one context and that is the totality of Scripture and everything must be proofed through that lens or it can be infinitely distorted by people who don't know it. |
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Originally Posted By southerncross: Whatever label you want to ascribe to the spiritual beings that do exist, whether it be interdimensional, spiritual, extraterrestrial, etc, they are clearly spoken of in the Bible in terms that are consistent throughout. Their motivations are made clear in most circumstances in the canonical texts. Biblically, humans are spiritual beings having a physical experience. The idea of the Gnostic texts is the opposite of the totality of the old and new testament scriptures because it teaches that we as individuals can be our own saviors by acquiring the knowledge/gnosis to do so. The Bible is the story of the relationship man, the spiritual beings, and the Creator have with one another over the course of history, and it culminates in his desire for us to return to a spiritual state with him, only being possible via devine sacrifice through his "son" Yeshua/Jesus. The problem with the modern teachings is the totality of learning is left out by well meaning people twisting the contents via "context". There is only one context and that is the totality of Scripture and everything must be proofed through that lens or it can be infinitely distorted by people who don't know it. I NEVER IN MY LIFE thought I'd be talking about this stuff! EVER!!! |
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Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: Here’s a good video on the Book of Enoch and other books Start at 46 minutes  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftwcOn0N2sIt was hundreds of years where people were sharing the various individual books which were getting put into small collections like book of John and the like. The Old Testament was all scrolls for each "book" of the bible until much later. The bible as we know it wasn't around until the 1450s and it wasn't available in English until 1535 (Gutenberg Bible). The books/scrolls decided to be added or not was a long argument that still continues except it's now nitpicing about definitions, similar to how the 2nd amendment is getting twisted by different interpretations of words or placements of commas. Much of the teachings from the priests were from where they read all the books (scrolls) and they were shared around and extra copies made for concepts they realwly anted people to be aware of with other parts allowed to fall into obscurity and it didn't matter if they forgot to make enough copies of something like Enoch to be everywhere, though it was in 300-200 BC and was something everybody would have had familiarity with at that time, trying to get rid of it kind of flags it. The contents of Enoch are quite surprising when you realize it's 2 to 3 centuries prior to Christ and Heaven and Hell are described, yet they thought it heresy because it didn't go completely mesh with the message why wanted to send, same with Catholic books and the 7 Deuterocanonical books which are added to the Catholic bible (However, Catholics are discouraged from reading the bible, lest another Martin Luther is born or something. They say it is so people don't get misguided ideas from reading it themselves without continual guidance from the Priest. That's the control thing going on. Odd thing is, they added 7 more books but not Enoch, which was just something everybody knew, kind of like everybody on this forum has seen Boondock Saints, Heat, and Men in Black. It fills in some holes of history but they still try to hide bits which makes it very easy for fake books to be added under the tag of Enoch so there's like a dozen attributed to him when there's only 2 for sure and maybe 1/2 more and after that it's fan fiction of his fan fiction to look through that lens. |
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Originally Posted By brass: It was hundreds of years where people were sharing the various individual books which were getting put into small collections like book of John and the like. The Old Testament was all scrolls for each "book" of the bible until much later. The bible as we know it wasn't around until the 1450s and it wasn't available in English until 1535 (Gutenberg Bible). The books/scrolls decided to be added or not was a long argument that still continues except it's now nitpicing about definitions, similar to how the 2nd amendment is getting twisted by different interpretations of words or placements of commas. Much of the teachings from the priests were from where they read all the books (scrolls) and they were shared around and extra copies made for concepts they realwly anted people to be aware of with other parts allowed to fall into obscurity and it didn't matter if they forgot to make enough copies of something like Enoch to be everywhere, though it was in 300-200 BC and was something everybody would have had familiarity with at that time, trying to get rid of it kind of flags it. The contents of Enoch are quite surprising when you realize it's 2 to 3 centuries prior to Christ and Heaven and Hell are described, yet they thought it heresy because it didn't go completely mesh with the message why wanted to send, same with Catholic books and the 7 Deuterocanonical books which are added to the Catholic bible (However, Catholics are discouraged from reading the bible, lest another Martin Luther is born or something. They say it is so people don't get misguided ideas from reading it themselves without continual guidance from the Priest. That's the control thing going on. Odd thing is, they added 7 more books but not Enoch, which was just something everybody knew, kind of like everybody on this forum has seen Boondock Saints, Heat, and Men in Black. It fills in some holes of history but they still try to hide bits which makes it very easy for fake books to be added under the tag of Enoch so there's like a dozen attributed to him when there's only 2 for sure and maybe 1/2 more and after that it's fan fiction of his fan fiction to look through that lens. Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: Here’s a good video on the Book of Enoch and other books Start at 46 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftwcOn0N2sIt was hundreds of years where people were sharing the various individual books which were getting put into small collections like book of John and the like. The Old Testament was all scrolls for each "book" of the bible until much later. The bible as we know it wasn't around until the 1450s and it wasn't available in English until 1535 (Gutenberg Bible). The books/scrolls decided to be added or not was a long argument that still continues except it's now nitpicing about definitions, similar to how the 2nd amendment is getting twisted by different interpretations of words or placements of commas. Much of the teachings from the priests were from where they read all the books (scrolls) and they were shared around and extra copies made for concepts they realwly anted people to be aware of with other parts allowed to fall into obscurity and it didn't matter if they forgot to make enough copies of something like Enoch to be everywhere, though it was in 300-200 BC and was something everybody would have had familiarity with at that time, trying to get rid of it kind of flags it. The contents of Enoch are quite surprising when you realize it's 2 to 3 centuries prior to Christ and Heaven and Hell are described, yet they thought it heresy because it didn't go completely mesh with the message why wanted to send, same with Catholic books and the 7 Deuterocanonical books which are added to the Catholic bible (However, Catholics are discouraged from reading the bible, lest another Martin Luther is born or something. They say it is so people don't get misguided ideas from reading it themselves without continual guidance from the Priest. That's the control thing going on. Odd thing is, they added 7 more books but not Enoch, which was just something everybody knew, kind of like everybody on this forum has seen Boondock Saints, Heat, and Men in Black. It fills in some holes of history but they still try to hide bits which makes it very easy for fake books to be added under the tag of Enoch so there's like a dozen attributed to him when there's only 2 for sure and maybe 1/2 more and after that it's fan fiction of his fan fiction to look through that lens. Edited to add a few comments Not sure if you watched the video, but it goes into detail about some of what you wrote. And includes reasons for not including Enoch. Enoch was written between 300 and 100 BC. The people that wrote it claimed it was written by Enoch many hundreds of years earlier. They used a word in the video that described these types of writings, basically false writings. So the book was falsely written and then claimed the authorship was Enoch. Yes, Enoch was found in collections of books, but it didn't carry the same weight as the other books. An example from the video was say 100 years from now, someone found the bible with the book Left Behind. We view that book as fiction, but people 100 years from now would need to study history to determine the value of Left behind compared to the bible. Also the OT was complete at the time of the writing of Enoch. It was not included in the complete collections of the OT at that time. The Septuagint was created in 300 BC. The Hebrew to Greek translation. No Hebrew Jew or Hellenistic Jew included Enoch as part of their OT. Also early 400 AD the latin vulgate had the complete bible we know today. Here's another video that goes into how the New Testament was put together. It talks about the Catholic apocrypha, Constantine..ect Start at 55:47  How we ACTUALLY got the Bible!? (NOT what most people think!) | Live Free with Josh Howerton |
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This also needs to go here. Also in the short video thread. https://www.theblaze.com/shows/the-glenn-beck-program/glenn-beck-s-mind-blown-what-if-aliens-are-really-disembodied-nephilim  Are 'Alien Encounters' Experiences with Demons? | Billy Hallowell & Glenn Beck |
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Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: Edited to add a few comments Not sure if you watched the video, but it goes into detail about some of what you wrote. And includes reasons for not including Enoch. Enoch was written between 300 and 100 BC. The people that wrote it claimed it was written by Enoch many hundreds of years earlier. They used a word in the video that described these types of writings, basically false writings. So the book was falsely written and then claimed the authorship was Enoch. Yes, Enoch was found in collections of books, but it didn't carry the same weight as the other books. An example from the video was say 100 years from now, someone found the bible with the book Left Behind. We view that book as fiction, but people 100 years from now would need to study history to determine the value of Left behind compared to the bible. Also the OT was complete at the time of the writing of Enoch. It was not included in the complete collections of the OT at that time. The Septuagint was created in 300 BC. The Hebrew to Greek translation. No Hebrew Jew or Hellenistic Jew included Enoch as part of their OT. Also early 400 AD the latin vulgate had the complete bible we know today. Here's another video that goes into how the New Testament was put together. It talks about the Catholic apocrypha, Constantine..ect Start at 55:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK-2HiRu8xQ|3347Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Got_Nukes: Here’s a good video on the Book of Enoch and other books Start at 46 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lftwcOn0N2sIt was hundreds of years where people were sharing the various individual books which were getting put into small collections like book of John and the like. The Old Testament was all scrolls for each "book" of the bible until much later. The bible as we know it wasn't around until the 1450s and it wasn't available in English until 1535 (Gutenberg Bible). The books/scrolls decided to be added or not was a long argument that still continues except it's now nitpicing about definitions, similar to how the 2nd amendment is getting twisted by different interpretations of words or placements of commas. Much of the teachings from the priests were from where they read all the books (scrolls) and they were shared around and extra copies made for concepts they realwly anted people to be aware of with other parts allowed to fall into obscurity and it didn't matter if they forgot to make enough copies of something like Enoch to be everywhere, though it was in 300-200 BC and was something everybody would have had familiarity with at that time, trying to get rid of it kind of flags it. The contents of Enoch are quite surprising when you realize it's 2 to 3 centuries prior to Christ and Heaven and Hell are described, yet they thought it heresy because it didn't go completely mesh with the message why wanted to send, same with Catholic books and the 7 Deuterocanonical books which are added to the Catholic bible (However, Catholics are discouraged from reading the bible, lest another Martin Luther is born or something. They say it is so people don't get misguided ideas from reading it themselves without continual guidance from the Priest. That's the control thing going on. Odd thing is, they added 7 more books but not Enoch, which was just something everybody knew, kind of like everybody on this forum has seen Boondock Saints, Heat, and Men in Black. It fills in some holes of history but they still try to hide bits which makes it very easy for fake books to be added under the tag of Enoch so there's like a dozen attributed to him when there's only 2 for sure and maybe 1/2 more and after that it's fan fiction of his fan fiction to look through that lens. Edited to add a few comments Not sure if you watched the video, but it goes into detail about some of what you wrote. And includes reasons for not including Enoch. Enoch was written between 300 and 100 BC. The people that wrote it claimed it was written by Enoch many hundreds of years earlier. They used a word in the video that described these types of writings, basically false writings. So the book was falsely written and then claimed the authorship was Enoch. Yes, Enoch was found in collections of books, but it didn't carry the same weight as the other books. An example from the video was say 100 years from now, someone found the bible with the book Left Behind. We view that book as fiction, but people 100 years from now would need to study history to determine the value of Left behind compared to the bible. Also the OT was complete at the time of the writing of Enoch. It was not included in the complete collections of the OT at that time. The Septuagint was created in 300 BC. The Hebrew to Greek translation. No Hebrew Jew or Hellenistic Jew included Enoch as part of their OT. Also early 400 AD the latin vulgate had the complete bible we know today. Here's another video that goes into how the New Testament was put together. It talks about the Catholic apocrypha, Constantine..ect Start at 55:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK-2HiRu8xQ|3347To simplify it the way I look at it is this: Jesus quoted passages from Enoch's writings. He didn't really make "books" but they're full of information that people alive at that time were aware of because believers read news and what could be stuff from a new prophet, kind of like how we keep waiting for more details on aliens in this forum and read a lot of side information that is pertinent doesn't hold full answers and is certainly not inspired by the word of God to spread as a book. . They weren't elevating Enoch to be a God christened prophet, but somebody who had some weird experiences and he wrote down and shared what he saw. He could be one of the survivors from the floods late down that family chain, could be just he directly did it, I forgot Enoch's back story. Anyway, there is for sure 1 and maybe 2 or 2½ books written by Enoch. Several more in that 300 years span are attributed to him but don't follow the same style, which makes talking about this information quite, quiet difficult because it could be somebody else but that still doesn't mean it is wrong, however some of the stuff in the 3/4+ books get really out there and almost through a full loop back to the Gateway Process and meditation and Eastern religions of treating body as a temple, but without shouldering God out of the way on that. Since Jesus quoted him, I'd say that the parts he quoted and the book those bits were in is likely good, the rest, not so much. I don't see Enoch as another John or Luke, but he is also the only one taken bodily to heaven without dying and there's not a lot of argument there, giving him two visits, one to write about and one to end things with. The confusion and misinformation on books labeled "book of Enoch" has really made it a difficult subject. I'm using Accordance bible software which gives me the original language texts and the English translations and there's only one solid Enoch one which came with a few others when including the Ethiopian Church (which is one spot in the rumor chain that the ark of the covenant, the Templar Knights, and many other "mysteries" where we don't know where somebody came from or went to, they use that obscure religion and locations.. Same mixing up and intentional twisting of stuff to do everything from discredit some to make other things in the bible as "Good and approved, such as homosexuality if you are generous enough in your translation. |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
| One thing I keep in mind is that the Prediluvian writings all come from oral histories, or fragmented writings. Many of the books in the Bible are written much later. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By sq40: One thing I keep in mind is that the Prediluvian writings all come from oral histories, or fragmented writings. Many of the books in the Bible are written much later. For sure. Discussions about the possibilities on bible study forums are a lot like cop threads in GD here (more polite though, but neither "side" budges very much).  A bunch of concurrent guesses decides which thing is "real" or not. I don't even know, I can kind of ID a lot of powers here by what they write, but there's really not enough Enoch to get to that level, it's only like a couple weeks worth of posting by a new member which isn't enough to identify as a former banned member. I'm flummoxed because with all the ancient sites found and books uncovered to show how advanced humans have been for a long time, yet leaving nearly nothing for documentation prior to Genesis (which reads like a previous civilization's bible that got added to) and the other first 5 books which the Jews keep as sacred and write down mark for mark including penmanship mistakes, since nobody knows if they are really mistakes, so keeping all information pure is the best bet until something else is uncovered. What makes me grumpy is we have dozens of pre biblical sites but nobody wants to excavate them and when new details about the "major" sites in Egypt and S America are found, they don't add it to the rotation, it's seriously like looking for new UFO information.  |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
| Archeology seems to be in a constant defensive posture. Somewhere between the Old Boys Club and the Mean Girls Club. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats