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Originally Posted By 110: I'd find it at least somewhat amusing if NJ became freer than VA.    Originally Posted By 110: Originally Posted By mjohn3006: I know it is not VA. But this is fucking huge!!!!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAG_unoDGGYI'd find it at least somewhat amusing if NJ became freer than VA. Yes, amusing. 
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Originally Posted By stone-age: Yes, amusing. Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By 110: Originally Posted By mjohn3006: I know it is not VA. But this is fucking huge!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAG_unoDGGYI'd find it at least somewhat amusing if NJ became freer than VA. Yes, amusing. Amusing yes, and concerning as to how long it took for the ban to actually fall in spite of a prima facie violation of the Constitution. |
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Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Amusing yes, and concerning as to how long it took for the ban to actually fall in spite of a prima facie violation of the Constitution. Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By 110: Originally Posted By mjohn3006: I know it is not VA. But this is fucking huge!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAG_unoDGGYI'd find it at least somewhat amusing if NJ became freer than VA. Yes, amusing. Amusing yes, and concerning as to how long it took for the ban to actually fall in spite of a prima facie violation of the Constitution. NJ is not over yet. The Third Circuit en banc decision remands the case for further district court proceedings. And even that is going to be delayed, as the NJ AG is almost certainly going to ask that the Third Circuit mandate be stayed while the state petitions the Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari. NJ citizens are probably still a couple of years away from being able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15. Justice delayed is justice denied. These government officials need to be held personally liable. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: NJ is not over yet. The Third Circuit en banc decision remands the case for further district court proceedings. And even that is going to be delayed, as the NJ AG is almost certainly going to ask that the Third Circuit mandate be stayed while the state petitions the Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari. NJ citizens are probably still a couple of years away from being able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15. Justice delayed is justice denied. These government officials need to be held personally liable. Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Originally Posted By homeyclaus: Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By 110: Originally Posted By mjohn3006: I know it is not VA. But this is fucking huge!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAG_unoDGGYI'd find it at least somewhat amusing if NJ became freer than VA. Yes, amusing. Amusing yes, and concerning as to how long it took for the ban to actually fall in spite of a prima facie violation of the Constitution. NJ is not over yet. The Third Circuit en banc decision remands the case for further district court proceedings. And even that is going to be delayed, as the NJ AG is almost certainly going to ask that the Third Circuit mandate be stayed while the state petitions the Supreme Court for a writ of certiorari. NJ citizens are probably still a couple of years away from being able to walk into a gun store and buy an AR-15. Justice delayed is justice denied. These government officials need to be held personally liable. Well, hopefully the supreme court is going to take a lot of these gun bans and throw them in the trash. Though I kind of think the supreme court is going to say, "You can't exactly do that, you are going to have to change some stuff." Not good. |
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Greentop has been a ripoff since they moved from the old store on RT1 and occupied that bigger building so their gutlessness doesn't matter one way or another to me. |
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I had to verify that this was a current policy. I’m shocked that it is. I know that some people don’t expect businesses to take a stand, especially with the potential for expanded civil liability. But I also think that if I’m willing risk my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor, then I could expect successful businesses to do the same. |
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Freedom Outdoors (formerly Colonial Shooting Academy) on Broad St should be GTG. I saw a video last week, they were the only store in that area that was outright going against the ban prior to the injunction going into effect. I'll make sure to spend some money there the next time I'm in the area. GT has really gone downhill over the years. |
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I switched to DK Firearms in Bowling Green as my go-to two years ago. The "bro" clique that a few of them had going on at the pistol counter convinced me to look else where. They would see buyers waiting around up to +20 minutes and do everything to avoid having to wait on them, but as soon as one of their "bros" came in, they would run over to the counter to help them. Then they had the tranny (who was a long time employee) decide to make their transition I believe over a single weekend. Left on Friday as a male, returned on Monday in cosplay. Green Top had a used Kimber 2K11 at the same price as the pistol, in new condition, at DK Firearms. DK Firearms has a great selection for a small b&m family owned GS. Their prices are better than Green Top for the same items, and DK did have more stock for magazines, etc. If they did not have an item in the store, Lynda will order it for you with a deposit. She was able to sell me a 300BO upper for my Rattler less than what I could find online, and less than MSRP. Green Top had minimal shoppers when I picked up my suppressor transfer. A group of the pistol counter employees were talking about "how to stay busy by wiping down the counters, going back and forth to the stock room in the rear", etc. I asked one of the employees who has been there for atleast the past three years what Green Top was going to do with the injunction, and he said that they had not received any guidance from management. I am not surprised that Green Top took this position. Their offerings on Gunbroker appear to have significantly increased over the past two weeks. I get emails every other day, so I assume this is how they are hoping to survive. They definitely are not getting the in-store traffic that they used to. The main parking lot used to be consistently filled, now there are plenty of spaces to park. Curious to see what their Outdoor Expo will look like this fall. A decent amount of the previous vendor attendees will no longer have their products supported by Green Top. Daniel Defense is no longer involved, surprised to see Sig is sticking around. |
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https://wset.com/news/local/virginia-gun-shops-resume-assault-weapon-large-capacity-magazine-sales-after-injunction-july-2026 Gun shops across Virginia resumed sales of assault-style weapons and large-capacity magazines today after a statewide injunction blocking enforcement of the new ban officially took effect. The move follows weeks of legal back-and-forth over the constitutionality of the law and the scope of a Washington County judge’s temporary injunction. The court clarified that the order applies statewide, preventing enforcement of the ban across the commonwealth. “This is a very good day for us here in Virginia,” said Del. Tim Griffin, R-53rd District, who called the ruling a win for Second Amendment rights. “They are limited in their power. They’re only allowed to do what the Constitution grants them the power to do. And they keep exceeding that. I’m hopeful that this will be a good sign to them that they need to slow down.” Former U.S. Attorney for the Western District, John Fishwick, said the clarification makes the order clear for buyers, sellers and law enforcement. ABC13's Allison Mullet asked, "Would you say that they can feel confident in their decision to buy or sell starting today?" “Yes. I think this judge’s order is clear. That statewide you can’t be prosecuted for the sale of an AR-15. That law for the time being has been found to be unconstitutional,” Fishwick said. Del. Sam Rasoul, D-38th District, urged patience as the case continues. “Let the court process play out to ensure that the constitution and our laws have a fair day in court,” he said. The attorney general’s office sent a statement in response to the injunction taking effect, saying: “The United States Supreme Court is reviewing challenges involving assault weapons bans that could directly inform these cases. Staying the four pending lawsuits will support the equal and fair application of the law and prevent conflicting outcomes. Virginia’s constitutional assault weapons ban was passed by the General Assembly and signed by Governor Spanberger to reduce gun violence and keep families, law enforcement, and communities safe. These protections are critical, evidence-based tools to protect public safety. We believe this legal path will produce a consistent process, and we remain confident that this lawful measure will ultimately be upheld.” The injunction remains in effect until July 21, 2027, or until a final court decision is issued. |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Magpul still not shipping to VA. The liability is not worth it to Magpul. Civilian sales are peanuts compared to .mil/LE/FMS. https://i.redd.it/177bmjxcs1fh1.jpeg I prefer aluminum mags anyway, so fuck them. |
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Originally Posted By Canoeguy: I prefer aluminum mags anyway, so fuck them. Originally Posted By Canoeguy: Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Magpul still not shipping to VA. The liability is not worth it to Magpul. Civilian sales are peanuts compared to .mil/LE/FMS. https://i.redd.it/177bmjxcs1fh1.jpeg I prefer aluminum mags anyway, so fuck them. Agree. I wish OKAY was still around. D&H is probably the best bet now. |
| Just an FYI to the folks in Central Virginia, the Bass Pro across from GTSR is "back to normal". They are working to get the larger capacity mag sku's back in the system for the registers to process the transaction. The rep behind the counter said they expect that to be resolved by tomorrow. No issues with AR transactions, etc. |
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Originally Posted By Canoeguy: I prefer aluminum mags anyway, so fuck them. Originally Posted By Canoeguy: Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Magpul still not shipping to VA. The liability is not worth it to Magpul. Civilian sales are peanuts compared to .mil/LE/FMS. https://i.redd.it/177bmjxcs1fh1.jpeg I prefer aluminum mags anyway, so fuck them. Who buys Magpul mags from Magpul? Distributors don’t ask permission. |
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Members of FPC or SAF can now carry in post offices! The U.S. Department of Justice has dropped its appeal of a permanent injunction against enforcement of the post office gun ban for members of either the Firearms Policy Coalition or the Second Amendment Foundation. The injunction covers present and future members of those organizations. Articles: Trump DOJ Abandons Appeal of FPC Post Office Gun Ban Victory https://www.firearmspolicy.org/trump-doj-abandons-appeal-of-fpc-post-office-gun-ban-victory Feds drop fight to keep gun ban at post offices (MSN) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-drop-fight-to-keep-gun-ban-at-post-offices/ar-AA284WN6 |
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Originally Posted By Virginia_Shooter: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/438600/IMG_3040_jpeg-3798991.JPG Not just Greentop My independent FFL is not transferring anything listed as banned either. He said he can't take the chance that the AG won't come after him. Not sure I wouldn't feel the same way if I were in his shoes. |
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The way I understand it from what other people have said, is that the Va democrats passed a law to make it so that manufacturers or retailers can be sued in civil court even though the assault weapons ban has been stopped at the moment. If somebody uses a gun to do something criminal in Virginia, manufacturers/retailers can be sued. And that's why these companies are still cautious. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: The way I understand it from what other people have said, is that the Va democrats passed a law to make it so that manufacturers or retailers can be sued in civil court even though the assault weapons ban has been stopped at the moment. If somebody uses a gun to do something criminal in Virginia, manufacturers/retailers can be sued. And that's why these companies are still cautious. What was stopping anyone including the state from suing anyone before this law was enacted? Nothing. |
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Originally Posted By ridinshotgun: What was stopping anyone including the state from suing anyone before this law was enacted? Nothing. Originally Posted By ridinshotgun: Originally Posted By stone-age: The way I understand it from what other people have said, is that the Va democrats passed a law to make it so that manufacturers or retailers can be sued in civil court even though the assault weapons ban has been stopped at the moment. If somebody uses a gun to do something criminal in Virginia, manufacturers/retailers can be sued. And that's why these companies are still cautious. What was stopping anyone including the state from suing anyone before this law was enacted? Nothing. It's not the suing part. It's the winning part. A statute makes that easier. |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Magpul still not shipping to VA. The liability is not worth it to Magpul. Civilian sales are peanuts compared to .mil/LE/FMS. https://i.redd.it/177bmjxcs1fh1.jpeg Magul also won't sell mags with higher capacity than normies are allowed to ban states LEO. If they want those, they have to go through distributors willing to violate Magpul policy. At least that's how it used to be. |
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| Virginia House Bill 21 from the 2026 regular session establishes standards of responsible conduct, imposes reasonable controls, and creates civil liability for firearm industry members. Sponsored by Delegate Dan Helmer, the legislation was approved by the Governor as Chapter 529 and takes effect on July 1, 2026.Key Requirements and ControlsReasonable Controls: Requires manufacturers, sellers, and distributors to implement business practices and safeguards to prevent sales to straw purchasers, traffickers, prohibited persons, or individuals at high risk for self-harm or unlawful harm.Theft and Modification Prevention: Mandates procedures to stop product loss or theft and block the installation of auto sears.Public Nuisance Ban: Prohibits firearm industry members from knowingly creating, maintaining, or contributing to a public nuisance through the marketing, importing, manufacturing, or sale of products.Enforcement and Civil LiabilityLegal Action: Authorizes the state Attorney General or local county, city, and town attorneys to enforce the provisions or issue civil investigative demands.Injured Parties: Permits any person injured by a violation of these standards to file a lawsuit seeking an injunction, recovery of damages, and legal costs. |
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Originally Posted By apexcrusade: Members of FPC or SAF can now carry in post offices! The U.S. Department of Justice has dropped its appeal of a permanent injunction against enforcement of the post office gun ban for members of either the Firearms Policy Coalition or the Second Amendment Foundation. The injunction covers present and future members of those organizations. Articles: Trump DOJ Abandons Appeal of FPC Post Office Gun Ban Victory https://www.firearmspolicy.org/trump-doj-abandons-appeal-of-fpc-post-office-gun-ban-victory Feds drop fight to keep gun ban at post offices (MSN) https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/feds-drop-fight-to-keep-gun-ban-at-post-offices/ar-AA284WN6 Doesn't that mean anyone? Because anyone can be a future member of FPC or SAF. |
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Originally Posted By glklvr: Doesn't that mean anyone? Because anyone can be a future member of FPC or SAF. It means you can join after the ruling to get the benefits of the ruling, but you have to join to get them. |
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Originally Posted By Lexington: It means you can join after the ruling to get the benefits of the ruling, but you have to join to get them. Originally Posted By Lexington: Originally Posted By glklvr: Doesn't that mean anyone? Because anyone can be a future member of FPC or SAF. It means you can join after the ruling to get the benefits of the ruling, but you have to join to get them. Yep. |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: Magpul still not shipping to VA. The liability is not worth it to Magpul. Civilian sales are peanuts compared to .mil/LE/FMS. https://i.redd.it/177bmjxcs1fh1.jpeg Magpul: “Virginia lawmakers passed a number of new laws affecting all firearm accessories, components, and equipment.” Clearly, the Magpul PR team doesn’t know the definition of “all,” nor do they understand the ban. |
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https://thereload.com/analysis-the-lingering-legal-liability-in-virginias-enjoined-ar-ban-member-exclusive/ https://archive.ph/Kiewj Analysis: The Lingering Legal Liability in Virginia’s Enjoined AR Ban AR-15s and 30-round magazines are back on store shelves in the Old Dominion, but the state’s “assault firearms” ban may still present a risk to buyers and sellers. On Tuesday, a statewide injunction led many stores to begin selling those guns and magazines after a three-week hiatus. Those stores’ decisions are backed by state and national gun-rights groups, the gun industry’s trade group, and major national gun brands. There’s a strong consensus in the gun world that AR and magazine sales are lawful, at least for now. But that doesn’t mean the situation is stable, especially given the details of how we got to the current legal position. The sales restart was kicked off by an injunction that Judge Jeffrey L. Campbell of Virginia’s 28th Judicial Circuit first issued three weeks ago and then expanded to cover the entire state on Tuesday. But it’s important to understand the nature of that preliminary injunction. As the name implies, it isn’t a permanent ruling on the merits of the law. While it does block anyone in Virginia from enforcing the law, it doesn’t actually invalidate the law. At least, not yet. Certainly, the bar for getting a preliminary injunction is quite high. The judge has to determine the law is likely to be found unconstitutional before issuing one. The odds a judge who does that and then finds differently during the merits stage of the case are near zero, especially if the facts of the case don’t really change in the meantime–as should happen here. Nonetheless, Virginia’s “assault firearms” ban remains in place at the moment. It can’t be enforced, but buying and selling the items it prohibits remains technically against the law. That doesn’t matter much so long as the injunction, which is currently slated to remain in effect until July 2027, remains. But if Judge Campbell reverses himself on the merits, or, more likely, a higher court overturns his decision or even just stays it, that would put those who bought or sold ARs or other banned items during the injunction in a potential predicament. The law has yet to be invalidated even if it is enjoined, and anyone “who imports, sells, manufactures, purchases, or transfers an assault firearm” during this period could, at least in theory, be prosecuted for doing so if enforcement of the law is ever revived. But Virginia isn’t the first state to find itself in this exact legal situation, and what’s happened in those examples is fairly instructive for how real the risk is for Virginians currently buying and selling ARs. The most famous analogue for what’s currently happening in Virginia comes from California’s “Freedom Week.” In 2019, United States District Court Judge Robert Benitez determined the Golden State’s ban on magazines that hold more than 10 rounds was unconstitutional in a merits ruling. His ruling invalidated the law for about a week before he issued a stay, and an appeals court ultimately reversed his ruling–the exact same sequence happened again four years later after the Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) granted, vacated, and remanded the still-unresolved case. What happened during that week in 2019, though, is very similar to what’s happening right now in Virginia. Buyers flooded into stores, which were more than happy to sell them the momentarily unbanned magazines. By all accounts, it was a selling frenzy, and the continuing legality of the magazines purchased during that time hasn’t often come under dispute. But that was a situation where the law had been fully invalidated, not just enjoined. Illinois, on the other hand, saw US District Judge Stephen P. McGlynn issue a preliminary injunction against its AR-15 sales ban, the Protect Illinois Communities Act (PICA), back in 2023. As with Judge Campbell’s order in Virginia, Judge McGlynn’s initial order enjoined law enforcement officials from enforcing the ban. But the block ended six days later when an appeals court issued a stay on the decision and subsequently overturned Judge McGlynn’s injunction. Unlike in California, though, law enforcement officials in Illinois have directly disputed the legality of “Freedom Week” sales. “Persons who possess a banned firearm or firearm attachment are required to endorse an affidavit by January 1, 2024, stating that any banned firearm or firearm attachments were possessed prior to the enactment of PICA (January 10, 2023) pursuant to 720 ILCS 5/24-1.9(d),” the Illinois State Police told The Center Square that year. In practice, though, there has only been one publicized case between the two states that deals with guns or magazines a defendant claimed he bought during a “Freedom Week.” In March 2020, police arrested 27-year-old Pheng Yang for possession of a 15-round magazine in violation of California’s ban. The Tulare County District Attorney’s Office filed felony charges against him. But he ultimately prevailed in court, though that was largely because Judge Benitez specifically stipulated that those who bought magazines during “Freedom Week” were protected from prosecution in the stay he issued. “The fact that this Petition succeeded is not remarkable. What is remarkable is the failure of the Sheriff and the DA’s Office to honor the Lawful Order of a Federal Judge,” Eric Schweitzer, Yang’s lawyer, told KFSN after the case was dismissed. “Sworn court records prove they received that Order not to arrest or prosecute several months before they arrested and prosecuted Mr. Yang in clear violation.” It’s pretty evident at this point, despite the Illinois State Police’s determination, there is little appetite for trying to prosecute people who bought unbanned items during times when the laws were paused–whether through an injunction or a final merits ruling. Even the Yang case arose from police finding what at that point was a re-banned magazine while searching his room in an unrelated case, and “Freedom Week” only became relevant because that’s when Yang claimed to have bought the magazine, and the prosecutors apparently couldn’t prove otherwise. That’s likely to be the case in Virginia if enforcement of the ban is ever reinstated. While Virginia Attorney General Jay Jones (D.) has insisted the AR-15 sales ban is constitutional, he hasn’t threatened prosecutions of those currently buying or selling ARs during the injunction. Instead, he’s asking the Virginia courts to pause their cases and wait for a SCOTUS decision that may ultimately make all of this moot. Virginia’s court system is harder to read than its federal counterparts. It was no surprise when the Ninth and Seventh Circuits ultimately upheld California and Illinois’s bans given their ideological makeup and track record on Second Amendment challenges. The gun rights track record and ideological leanings of Virginia courts are less pronounced. Still, what little case law there is suggests the Virginia Supreme Court may be deferential to SCOTUS on gun-rights questions. While AG Jones thinks that deference should come in the form of stays on the injunctions against the law, it’s easy to see the courts going the opposite direction. It’s entirely possible they leave the injunctions in place pending whatever SCOTUS ultimately decides. “The United States Supreme Court is reviewing challenges involving assault weapons bans that could directly inform these cases,” he told WSET. That’s perhaps an understatement. SCOTUS is poised to decide on the constitutionality of AR bans nationwide by this time next year. So, the underlying drama around Virginia’s ban is likely to be short-lived, even in a scenario where the Virginia courts don’t wait on SCOTUS. If, as most experts expect, SCOTUS rules that AR bans are unconstitutional, any prosecution for buying one will most certainly be dismissed and any conviction overturned. It won’t really matter at that point whether enforcement of the law had returned in the interim. SCOTUS will have the final word one way or the other. Of course, just because SCOTUS is likely to invalidate these laws by the end of next June and there’s little sign anyone is chomping at the bit to track down and lock up those currently buying ARs in Virginia, that doesn’t necessarily mean there’s no risk at all. In the unlikely event that Virginia courts decide to get ahead of SCOTUS, allow the ban to go back into effect, and an enterprising Commonwealth’s Attorney brings charges against somebody for violating it during the injunction, it’ll be a very unpleasant and costly experience for that person–as it likely was for Phen Yang despite him ultimately prevailing. So, the risk seems fairly low if you agree with the consensus that SCOTUS is going to strike down AR-15 bans. And you can see why most of the gun world is confident enough to restart sales. But even if the risk is approaching zero, it isn’t quite there yet. |
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LANCASTER, VA — The Virginia State Police want the gun ban lawsuit in Lancaster County thrown out before it goes any further. Colonel Jeffrey S. Katz, sued in his official capacity as Superintendent of the Virginia State Police, has filed a Motion to Dismiss and Demurrer in Crump v. Katz, the challenge to Virginia’s new “assault firearm” and magazine bans pending in the Circuit Court for the County of Lancaster. The filing’s first move is not about guns at all. It is about who is allowed to sue. The motion contends that the organizational plaintiffs, Gun Owners of America, Gun Owners Foundation, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, and the Virginia Citizens Defense Foundation, “lack standing to bring this action on behalf of third parties, and none of the Plaintiffs has standing to bring this action against Defendant Jeffrey S. Katz.” Standing, in plain terms, is a plaintiff’s ticket into the courthouse. Before a court will even consider whether a law is unconstitutional, the people suing have to show the case is truly theirs to bring: that they have real skin in the game, that the defendant is the one causing them harm, and that a ruling in their favor would actually fix it. Katz’s lawyers argue the gun rights groups cannot make that showing on behalf of their members, and the motion quotes Virginia case law saying a lawsuit filed by someone without standing is a “legal nullity.” In other words, if the court agrees, the case would be treated as if it never legally existed. https://www.usacarry.com/virginia-state-police-move-to-dismiss-goa-and-vcdl-gun-ban-lawsuit-attacking-standing-and-defending-the-ban-on-the-merits/ |
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Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: LANCASTER, VA — The Virginia State Police want the gun ban lawsuit in Lancaster County thrown out before it goes any further. Colonel Jeffrey S. Katz, sued in his official capacity as Superintendent of the Virginia State Police, has filed a Motion to Dismiss and Demurrer in Crump v. Katz, the challenge to Virginia’s new “assault firearm” and magazine bans pending in the Circuit Court for the County of Lancaster. The filing’s first move is not about guns at all. It is about who is allowed to sue. The motion contends that the organizational plaintiffs, Gun Owners of America, Gun Owners Foundation, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, and the Virginia Citizens Defense Foundation, “lack standing to bring this action on behalf of third parties, and none of the Plaintiffs has standing to bring this action against Defendant Jeffrey S. Katz.” Standing, in plain terms, is a plaintiff’s ticket into the courthouse. Before a court will even consider whether a law is unconstitutional, the people suing have to show the case is truly theirs to bring: that they have real skin in the game, that the defendant is the one causing them harm, and that a ruling in their favor would actually fix it. Katz’s lawyers argue the gun rights groups cannot make that showing on behalf of their members, and the motion quotes Virginia case law saying a lawsuit filed by someone without standing is a “legal nullity.” In other words, if the court agrees, the case would be treated as if it never legally existed. https://www.usacarry.com/virginia-state-police-move-to-dismiss-goa-and-vcdl-gun-ban-lawsuit-attacking-standing-and-defending-the-ban-on-the-merits/ Originally Posted By wherewildthingsare: LANCASTER, VA — The Virginia State Police want the gun ban lawsuit in Lancaster County thrown out before it goes any further. Colonel Jeffrey S. Katz, sued in his official capacity as Superintendent of the Virginia State Police, has filed a Motion to Dismiss and Demurrer in Crump v. Katz, the challenge to Virginia’s new “assault firearm” and magazine bans pending in the Circuit Court for the County of Lancaster. The filing’s first move is not about guns at all. It is about who is allowed to sue. The motion contends that the organizational plaintiffs, Gun Owners of America, Gun Owners Foundation, the Virginia Citizens Defense League, and the Virginia Citizens Defense Foundation, “lack standing to bring this action on behalf of third parties, and none of the Plaintiffs has standing to bring this action against Defendant Jeffrey S. Katz.” Standing, in plain terms, is a plaintiff’s ticket into the courthouse. Before a court will even consider whether a law is unconstitutional, the people suing have to show the case is truly theirs to bring: that they have real skin in the game, that the defendant is the one causing them harm, and that a ruling in their favor would actually fix it. Katz’s lawyers argue the gun rights groups cannot make that showing on behalf of their members, and the motion quotes Virginia case law saying a lawsuit filed by someone without standing is a “legal nullity.” In other words, if the court agrees, the case would be treated as if it never legally existed. https://www.usacarry.com/virginia-state-police-move-to-dismiss-goa-and-vcdl-gun-ban-lawsuit-attacking-standing-and-defending-the-ban-on-the-merits/ Pissant little tyrant. The Supreme Court has frequently scrutinized the ripeness of pre-enforcement challenges to criminal statutes. The Court has explained that, when challenging a criminal statute, the plaintiff need not first expose himself to actual arrest or prosecution. Rather, it is sufficient for the plaintiff to allege that he (1) intends to engage in constitutionally protected activity prohibited by the statute and (2) faces a credible threat of prosecution. For example, an abortion provider who faces a sufficiently direct threat that a state will prosecute him for violating a statute that criminalizes abortion need not necessarily await prosecution before challenging that statute’s constitutionality. https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artIII-S2-C1-7-8/ALDE_00001252/ |
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: So he is saying the courts were retarded for not realizing they clearly lacked standing to bring the case before issuing the injunction? That will go over well. If you read the opinion the judge issued when he granted the temporary injunction, he already found that the organizations lack standing. He went forward only with the individual plaintiff. Given that preliminary ruling, it is not a big stretch to ask him to dismiss the claims brought by those plaintiffs. It should not affect the claims by the individual plaintiff. ETA: The federal constitution has nothing to do with state court standing. Completely different bodies of law. |
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Originally Posted By apexcrusade: Last day of early voting for the Republican primary to select a candidate to unseat horseface Warner. Who is the best GOP candidate? Around here it might be better to vote on the Dem primary ballot to keep DSA commies off the ballot. |
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Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Who is the best GOP candidate? Around here it might be better to vote on the Dem primary ballot to keep DSA commies off the ballot. Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By apexcrusade: Last day of early voting for the Republican primary to select a candidate to unseat horseface Warner. Who is the best GOP candidate? Around here it might be better to vote on the Dem primary ballot to keep DSA commies off the ballot. I was standing in line to vote in the Republican primary one time, there were 2 people in front of me wearing a bunch of Democrat coats and hats. I pointed out to them they were in the line for the Republican primaries. They were pretty proud of the fact that they could vote in the Republican primary and nobody could stop them. I adopted their tactics. |
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Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Who is the best GOP candidate? Around here it might be better to vote on the Dem primary ballot to keep DSA commies off the ballot. Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By apexcrusade: Last day of early voting for the Republican primary to select a candidate to unseat horseface Warner. Who is the best GOP candidate? Around here it might be better to vote on the Dem primary ballot to keep DSA commies off the ballot. Bert Mizusawa is the best positioned. Ret Army Gen. Has the most cash. There is one other guy and one chick. I've given up on voting for chicks. |
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Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Who is the best GOP candidate? Around here it might be better to vote on the Dem primary ballot to keep DSA commies off the ballot. Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By apexcrusade: Last day of early voting for the Republican primary to select a candidate to unseat horseface Warner. Who is the best GOP candidate? Around here it might be better to vote on the Dem primary ballot to keep DSA commies off the ballot. EARLY VOTING UNDERWAY LAST DAY OF EARLY IN PERSON VOTING IS SATURDAY, AUG 1 FOR AUG 4, 2026 U.S. SENATE RACE PRIMARY U.S. CONGRESSIONAL RACE PRIMARIES CONTACT YOUR LOCAL REGISTRAR FOR SPECIFIC HOURS REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES CHALLENGING MARK WARNER Bert Mizusawa: A retired U.S. Army major general Kim Farington: A financial accountant David Williams: A U.S. Marine Corps Reserves colonel. |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: 1) Who are we voting for? 2) Who might be able to win? Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By apexcrusade: Last day of early voting for the Republican primary to select a candidate to unseat horseface Warner. 1) Who are we voting for? 2) Who might be able to win? Campaign Finance Candidate Cash Raised Farington, Kim $16,512 $145,649 Mizusawa, Bert K $51,419 $341,218 Williams, David Earl $31,147 $93,007 |
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Originally Posted By stone-age: I was standing in line to vote in the Republican primary one time, there were 2 people in front of me wearing a bunch of Democrat coats and hats. I pointed out to them they were in the line for the Republican primaries. They were pretty proud of the fact that they could vote in the Republican primary and nobody could stop them. I adopted their tactics. Originally Posted By stone-age: Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Originally Posted By apexcrusade: Last day of early voting for the Republican primary to select a candidate to unseat horseface Warner. Who is the best GOP candidate? Around here it might be better to vote on the Dem primary ballot to keep DSA commies off the ballot. I was standing in line to vote in the Republican primary one time, there were 2 people in front of me wearing a bunch of Democrat coats and hats. I pointed out to them they were in the line for the Republican primaries. They were pretty proud of the fact that they could vote in the Republican primary and nobody could stop them. I adopted their tactics. I've considered doing that, but it was pointed out to me by my local candidate that you are then on record as having done this. Beware of any unintended consequences. |
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Originally Posted By apexcrusade: EARLY VOTING UNDERWAY LAST DAY OF EARLY IN PERSON VOTING IS SATURDAY, AUG 1 FOR AUG 4, 2026 U.S. SENATE RACE PRIMARY U.S. CONGRESSIONAL RACE PRIMARIES CONTACT YOUR LOCAL REGISTRAR FOR SPECIFIC HOURS REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES CHALLENGING MARK WARNER Bert Mizusawa: A retired U.S. Army major general Kim Farington: A financial accountant David Williams: A U.S. Marine Corps Reserves colonel. I knew nothing about them, but voted for David on a hunch. I looked around the room and saw 0 literature on any of them. It is my fault for not looking up a sample ballot before I left. Bert would have been my second choice, then Kim
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Originally Posted By 110: I knew nothing about them, but voted for David on a hunch. I looked around the room and saw 0 literature on any of them. It is my fault for not looking up a sample ballot before I left. Bert would have been my second choice, then KimThe way I look at is that the democrats have said exactly who they are and what they are going to do. Any republican is going to be better than having the democrats win. So the Republican who has the best chance of defeating the democrats is who I vote for. I don't see any situation in the current circumstances where having the democrats win is good as a protest or to teach republicans a lesson for not meeting all of my wants and needs. If the democrat win we lose. Particularly when it comes to guns and specifically black rifles. |
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From: Mary Belle Reese Date: Wed, Aug 5, 2026 at 1:02 AM Subject: 11 DISTRICT PATRIOTS Bert Mizusawa won the Republican Primary! To: Mary Belle Reese Dear 11th District Patriots, The results from the August 4 Primary are in and BERT MIZUSAWA won! Here are the percentages: Bert Mizusawa - 51.5% David Williams - 29% Kim Farington - 19.5% Unfortunately, voter turnout was the lowest in memory, only 2%! 😞 YIKES! If we are going to move the needle at all in the right direction in Virginia, we really need to get conservatives engaged to vote in the November General Election. As voters in the Virginia's 11th Congressional District, in November you will be voting on 5 things altogether: 2 people and 3 VA Constitutional Amendments. 2 PEOPLE The US Senate race - BERT MIZUSAWA (R) vs. incumbent Mark Warner (D) The VA 11 Congressional District race - ARTHUS PURVES (R) vs. incumbent James Walkinshaw (D) 3 CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS proposed by Gov. Spanberger & Richmond's Democrat controlled legislature Amendment 1 (unlimited, unmonitored, unrestricted abortion through all 9 months) Amendment 2 (codifies gay marriage and introduces transgender verbiage, thereby threatening the rights of those who oppose gay marriage and the transgender movement) Amendment 3 (part one: felons regain automatic right to vote/serve on juries immediately after serving their sentences, part two: lower the bar for mentally challenged individuals to vote) The Republican Party of Virginia position: Vote NO on all 3 of these onerous amendments. In a future email I will outline in greater detail why these amendments are harmful for the people of Virginia and should be voted against. This will take some explaining because once again, the ballot wording is intentionally confusing/misleading, just as we saw in the wording on the ballot for the Special Election on Gerrymandering our beloved Virginia. Thank God the Virginia Supreme Court nullified the results of that fiasco! |
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To All, Kick Off for Arthur Purves Campaign against Walkinshaw: 13 Aug, 7-8:30PM 8942 Burke Lake Road, Springfield/22151 (Kings Park Community Center) They would like an RSVP (strong possibility of dessert) - [email protected] |