Originally Posted By ske714:


I don't even want to hear people talking.  I want to see actual proof.  All the rest, we've already seen and heard.

Originally Posted By macman37:


I’ll agree here. The standard of proof has shifted.

We’ve all heard/read/seen the stories. It’s well past time for the government to tell us what they know and have concluded.  Even if it leads to the whole “reality is stranger than you can imagine” thing, which is what they keep saying in various ways, over and over.

Originally Posted By absael:

Years ago, I was constantly searching for any new sightings, info, anything.  And it always seemed that we were just about to turn the corner, the momentum was picking up and it would soon be too much to stop.  But this went on until it almost started to seem that we really weren't any closer.

Now we're drinking from the fire hose.  It seems that hardly a day goes by that we don't get some new revelation - and now I really do think that we're tantalizingly close.  While I certainly don't put it past the gatekeepers to make a last-ditch effort to gaslight us, I finally believe we've reached the point that the toothpaste isn't going back in the tube.

Originally Posted By ske714:


Except there haven't been any revaluations.   We've been seeing pictures and video of foo fighters since WW2.  What else has been revealed?

Originally Posted By brass:


Did you watch the congressional testimony a few years back?  There was photo, video, and documents covering a whole lot of encounters.  Look for "Immaculate Constellation" and photos that were attached with it.  The papers themselves have F-22 pilot testimony in there, you just need to read a bit.  Problem is nobody wants to read and any photo or video evidence is shouted down as deep fake or photoshop or hoax, etc.  It's willful ignorance.

There are several people who have seen them close and know which are real and which aren't with near absolute certainty, but nobody believes them - even when another person come forward and verified what has been said earlier by others and in congress as real, people will still deny it and say "psyop!" or "disinfo", etc.   This has been going on for 70 years or more.  That's a fuckload of money spent to make sure we don't learn something.   That alone is alluring to ponder the value of that secret.  We now know the US has made ARVs (alien reproduction vehicles), or at least portions that we have used their drive and power tech in US ships which aren't as sleek as the biologically created non-Earth craft.  

Some just don't want to believe because it upsets their worldview.  We have been warned on that front, so I have slacked off on being really anxious to meet little green men.   I wonder how much of the world population  has been turned into snacks for them or something.  Especially troublemakers and people see the grab missions which are real sightings.  That's just a fer instance and nothing ever mentioned, it's just one thing running through my head with the plot of some shows and movies backing that up, like They Live and the TV Mini Series of the80s called "V" where aliens visit us for dinner, with us being served.

There could be thousands  of humans vanishing every day and nobody knows because a) Some places have more people than they can support, like India and China and social credits only something for the middle class and above, below that is garbage the aliens can eat.  or b)  We're in a simulation.  

These are just goofy ideas extrapolated from statements made in various books and interviews, with people really eager to let us know, and then suddenly very quiet on the topic. There are Dozens of people that follow that same path.  Lue Elizondo said if everything were released, people would be somber.  Others said most of the public isn't ready to handle the ontological shock and our factories and transportation would be disrupted worse than a hurricane.  So that is a valid reason.   The very eager to release people do get some new pictures and another couple sentences of information not mentioned before, but the excited glint in their eye for this topic has died for them, but I do not know exactly why.   If I ran a country and knew of something, sort of like "Deep Impact", where an extinction level event is coming, it'd be better to have everybody go about their daily business in happy ignorance.  

The only good telling people their lives will be over in a year would just clog everything up same as a hurricane hitting.   Goes back to "You can't handle the Truth!".  David Grusch is another who is somber on the topic, not eager like the ufo seekers  in the public eye, there seems to be an invisible line where people suddenly cool their heels with how much they want to know and several have admitted in interviews that they wish they could go back to ignorance, that's people on the level of Jacques Vallée and the circle of "back room" or not in limelight UFO researchers from the scientific angle who the government asks for help in some cases.  

It's a neat puzzle to me, but if the answer is something like a countdown timer to the end of a chunk of humanity, I'd rather not know about it personally.   That technology could change wars, it's more effective than nukes to be able to blip over to the enemy most secure underground area, leave a 1 ton bomb (or a few)  on a 5 second timer and blip back to home base.  One little crater sinks, and war is over.    Problem with that is there's probably some agreement to not use non-Earth technology for warfare, same as the agreements to not use nuclear weapons.  Just a hunch.

Originally Posted By ske714:


Testimony, pictures, video... We've seen and heard all of that for many decades.  They convinced me a long time ago.  Now I just want to see ACTUAL EVIDENCE,  as in irrefutable proof.  Not more of the same.

Originally Posted By brass:


The problem is that when a photo is "too good", it's a fake, even when it's just one taken like the one from UK with he fighter jet coming toward it in background.  

What level of image is needed to say "Ok, that's pretty real".  The "Go Fast" and "Gimbal" are extremely convincing to myself, especially when we have half of the people involved in that sighting testifying in congress that the video is real and they were freaked out by actually getting an IRST lock on it (not radar lock), more of a picture lock, same as a Javelin portable anti-everything missile.  Then they say that the videos released were the "Crappy Videos" at really bad resolution and some super high qualty ones aren't released because it tells the enemy the resolution of the gun cameras or something.

We have video of one getting hit with what was says was a hellfire missile and it just bumped the course which straightened out after the warhead was finished and the craft didn't seem to care.

These aren't even the "Good photos" according to people who are trying to get more released but are getting brick walled.    We have a lot more from private citizens, but people assume they are fakes if they're from a private individual, and assume they are disinfo if they're from the government.   For some, nothing will ever be enough.   We have the testimony of the guy who literally built the Atomic Force Microscope (AFM) which identifies individual molecules and reads the exact atomic weight of each atom involved.   He's testified that there is no way it is man made, for two fold reason.  

First, current human technology with smelting cannot create a metal completely pure of one isotope, we only come close with enriching uranium which isn't a small feat.  Why would we do that with tin?   Second, lets say they found a bunch of 100% pure single isotope Tin and Nickel.  We don't have a room clean enough to put them together with a razor thin line, it's 100% single isotope tin and then there's a line in the metal (only seen by the AFM) where it goes from Tin to 100% single isotope nickel.   Humans can keep anything clean and neat enough to do that.   He (Gary Nolan) has asked anybody to show him a man made lump of metal that has the same properties.  The other thing is that this is a blob of metal that was just dropped from a craft like it was waste or something.  

There's a shitload of "accidental precision", sort of how we see the tool marks in ancient structures where using hand tools you don't go much past a line, yet in their quarry, the cast offs have perfectly flat faces but with an arc cutting into one of the faces passing the line by several inches.   That's not something that happens without power tools and that accident also being perpendicular to the other faces says a lot.    We see this throughout time, even with a jig to hold a hand saw perfectly perpendicular to another face, using it to grind with sand to cut, it's not going to miss by several inches before realizing they're past where they wanted to be, and that doesn't even address the arc shaped cutting edge, showing a diameter of around 6 feet of a circular saw/grinding cutter.   That is the sort of information that blows all the other theories out of the water and archaeologists don't address it, they just literally throw some dirt over top and pretend it was never found as in Turkey with Gobekli Tepe.

I've mentioned all this before, but it's like we've been given a second hand puzzle from a garage sale (the government).    It's missing a bunch of pieces, but when we assemble all the pieces we do have, we end up with this oddly shaped hole in the middle of a puzzle.   Theoretically missing pieces should be a piece shaped part of image here and there, not all the pieces except a giant spot in the middle where we see a puzzle piece shaped hole, we know what's around it, and based on context, we can kind of guess what shape and color the pieces should be to complete the puzzle, we just need like 50 pieces of a 500 piece puzzle.  So were all sitting around bitching about the missing pieces and the government releases a new piece every couple years.  There's a bunch of arguing over if it's a piece that fits the hole as no direct place to put it is seen, but it could be in the middle of the hole and so we need at least a dozen more pieces to pack in and the there will be a spot for the new pieces.   Yeah, there might be a piece from a different puzzle set, and some guys will say they'll tell you more about what those might be if you send them a shitload of money.

After reading all the responses both in this forum and in GD and in real life and in movies, some are already sold that we know most and it's hiding a dangerous secret rather than something that will help humanity, while other think it is 100% bullshit no matter what they see, even if they take a tour of a flying saucer and go for a spin, they'll walk away wondering how that realistic trip was faked, they say not having windows is how they do it, like one of those Imax theater rides that push your car around with hydraulics but not moving.   Even when people around say they saw the craft leave the area and return, the guy that went on the ride will say it was all psychological disinfo and they're anything humans can already build with zero assistance from a non-human intelligence (which also doesn't exist).

Originally Posted By Herc:

When did Gerd Binning testify about this?

It's actually very easy to create what your describing and you wouldn't need a clean room. Industrial filth is more accurate. You keep it clean by doing it submerged and using electricity. Electroplating will leave pure tin/nickel and the line seen by AFM is because they have a different lattice structure. Tetragonal for the tin and face centered cubic for the nickel. As for why tin over nickel, the nickel is for corrosion resistance and the tin is for solderability. Single isotope tin is a little unusual, but not unheard of.  What you described sounds like an electrical connector for a super conductor (hence the single isotope) I stopped paying attention to Nolan when it became clear he has no clue about metals or how they are used in industry.  If he cared to learn I'm sure someone could show him how we can recreate or use most if not all his samples, but he always keeps stuff super secret and refuses to learn.

He's really smart when it comes to cancer and bio-tech stuff, but that's where it ends.

Originally Posted By WorkDroid:
That right there is a big deal because:

2 Thessalonians 4 (NLT) He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.

For them to claim they're our creators, is to claim godhood, ie; our god.

Originally Posted By dukeofearl:

If any of the latest dire theories are even close to the truth and a disclosure would be unsettling to society and disruptive to the religious base of our very civilization, it makes me wonder if full disclosure might have been best kept secret and that governments might have
actually been trying to protect society from a total  break-down? In other words, for our own good and not entirely for their power and profit. Or, maybe both. Another possibility is that the phenomenon is going to reveal itself at a time it finds most convenient and the gov's are trying to get ahead of it.

I remember when sci-fy used to be fun.  I know, gloom and doom. It's just depressing to think "The End of Times" could happen in our lifetime.

Originally Posted By absael:

Yeah I had that thought too, but reps Burchett and Luna just to name a couple,  have heard probably more than will be disclosed in the near future, and they're OK with getting it out.

Originally Posted By tnriverluver:

You are probably right.  They will release just enough to add to the confusion of wtf is really going on on this planet.   I know one thing though, growing up since the very early 1960's until just very recently I didn't see strange shit flying in our skies nightly multiple times a night whenever I simply say to myself show yourselves.  I might once in a blue moon back then see a satellite passing by or a shooting star but never little blue orb looking things traversing all over the skies usually in multiples, and I can barely even see the stars where I live because if the so called light pollution.  Something is definitely different now and I am pretty much clueless what I am witnessing.  And being a smoker that has always gone out and smoked day or night no matter the weather even because our son had breathing issues when one y/o I have always stared at the skies at night.  Multiple times per night.  And definitely a bright object move from horizon to straight overhead a stop and seemingly sit there and wave hello like myself, wife, and grown daughter witnessed around Christmas!