Trump declares victory in historic deal with Greenland as he secures 'permanent' US military rights (Page 2 of 5)
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So... Basically no change. The USA already has military bases in Greenland; who was never ever going to host a Russian or Chinese military base. How am I the only one eye-rolling at this? Thule Military Installation 
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Originally Posted By scrambler28: So the statehood threat worked after all. Lol Art of the deal ? Ask for more than you want, back down enough to get what you want, and let the opposition save face. Short sighted liberals call it "TACO" 🤔 |
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Nicer than the two dozen F-35s they've already received with 16 more on order? Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By Northcountry06: So do you think this was basically a case of Trump asking for more than he ever thought he'd end up with, as part of a negotiating tactic? I wonder what he'd have ended up with if he had just asked for permanent military rights in the first place. I'm guessing something less than that Denmark will probably get some nice fighter planes Nicer than the two dozen F-35s they've already received with 16 more on order? Yes.......they will probably get an option on the F-47 |
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Originally Posted By stevelish: Just Alberta and Saskatchewan. Give the rest to Haiti. Originally Posted By stevelish: Originally Posted By cyclone: Good.......now let's take Canada ! Just Alberta and Saskatchewan. Give the rest to Haiti. That's all we need......maybe Nova Scotia for fishing |
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts: So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By wheel: Well he did accomplish something here. If you're trying to spin it otherwise, that's foolish. So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? It keeps China from doing a belt, road and lutefisk initiative |
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Originally Posted By KonamiCode: What did he ask for that he didn’t get? ETA: beat Originally Posted By KonamiCode: Originally Posted By DmL5:  No, Trump negotiates by asking for something ludicrous ("ludacris" is a rapper), then he backs down when he doesn't get it, then he declares victory anyway. And gullible morons eat it up, thinking he accomplished something. Same exact thing he did with Canada, China, Iran, etc. What did he ask for that he didn’t get? ETA: beat What did he get that the US didn't already have? |
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Originally Posted By HobbitHunter: Gmork doesn't want newfoundland so he can hang with dogmen? Originally Posted By HobbitHunter: Originally Posted By cyclone: That's all we need......maybe Nova Scotia for fishing Gmork doesn't want newfoundland so he can hang with dogmen? Gmork will rule the dog men and send them to Toronto |
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Originally Posted By cyclone: It keeps China from doing a belt, road and lutefisk initiative Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By wheel: Well he did accomplish something here. If you're trying to spin it otherwise, that's foolish. So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? It keeps China from doing a belt, road and lutefisk initiative Like that was ever on the table. This is like saying after much negotiations, the US now has a permanent agreement with Germany to have military bases there while baring Russia and China from same. This is an absurd victory declaration, and everyone is acting like we won the moon. It's a bit... wow; to see the reactions actually. |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: lol All of that could have been had for the asking. Acting like a dick and threatening to take it with force (against a NATO ally) and insisting that the U.S. was going to "own" the island - only to settle for basing right that they U.S. pretty much already had - seems like he damaged the relationship - and US reputation - for little to no benefit. What he did get from playing hardball was that Denmark will now station a few more troops on the island, which they have never bothered to do before, and possibly beef up the Naval presence there as well . But I'm not convinced that an extra handful of boots on the ground, and maybe an extra cutter and occasionally frigate patrol, will by much more than symbolic.  Honestly, I think Trump played this all wrong. What could have worked MUCH better would have been to start secret talks with the Greenland local (autonomous) government, and offered them all kinds of sweet deals, investments, etc. - if they declared independence from Denmark (which Denmark would have granted immediately), and then sign close bilateral agreements with them as soon as they become independent. That could have resulted in stuff like the Vieques or Guantanamo deals - like 100 year leases and complete control, and Greenland would probably have been willing to give the U.S. total control over big pieces of Greenland to build military bases, ports, etc. Plus, they could probably have been convinced - in exchange for investments and welfare - to give the U.S. some exclusive mining rights for all kinds of stuff. Heck, a deal like that could EVENTUALLY result in Greenland becoming a U.S. protectorate, or even fully owned - like Guam - in the long run. U.S. control over Greenland - whether by direct ownership, or by what I described above - would be a MUCH BETTER outcome for everyone involved (including Denmark) instead of this "same old" agreement that gives the U.S. basing and overflight rights that we already had. It's a shame, because it's such a wasted opportunity. I do think there was a way for Greenland to have eventually become part of the U.S. - but it was handled in a really dumb way, IMO. This!  Bigger_Hammer 
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Originally Posted By DmL5: He didn’t get anything. It’s the same agreement we’ve always had. You sure about that chief? “China has not actively mined or held exclusive rights to operational mineral projects in Greenland, but it maintained significant financial stakes and strategic interest in key rare earth and iron ore deposits as part of its "Polar Silk Road" Arctic strategy.” Now with the info in OP’s post you will see China is named as an adversary and excluded in investing in sensitive sectors which may include rare earth elements. “The U.S. will now have permanent access, basing and overflight rights in Greenland, and the ability to establish additional military installations as needed, according to a senior U.S. official who outlined the deal exclusively to Fox News Digital. The deal bars China, Russia and other non-NATO countries from establishing military bases or maintaining troops in Greenland. It also restricts adversaries from investing in sensitive sectors that could pose a threat to U.S. national security.” “ |
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Originally Posted By boolzi: If it sticks this is pretty good. Does this have options? Like to purchase? And is there money being given? On edit is says no money for additional expansion. But, we will be building infrastructure like networks and roads, plus, they have one of the most powerful nations protecting the ice island. Seems like a win for them. Pretty crucial real estate for middle defense, I’ve read. The best kind of deal, both sides get a win. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Like that was ever on the table. This is like saying after much negotiations, the US now has a permanent agreement with Germany to have military bases there while baring Russia and China from same. This is an absurd victory declaration, and everyone is acting like we won the moon. It's a bit... wow; to see the reactions actually. Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By wheel: Well he did accomplish something here. If you're trying to spin it otherwise, that's foolish. So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? It keeps China from doing a belt, road and lutefisk initiative Like that was ever on the table. This is like saying after much negotiations, the US now has a permanent agreement with Germany to have military bases there while baring Russia and China from same. This is an absurd victory declaration, and everyone is acting like we won the moon. It's a bit... wow; to see the reactions actually. No one ever thought they would see Canada cozy up to the Chinese either...... |
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Originally Posted By Federov: That's generally how he negotiates. First he asks for something ludacris, then people go crazy and he "walks it back" and gets what he wanted in the first place. It's astonishing how well this works. Originally Posted By Federov: Originally Posted By Northcountry06: So do you think this was basically a case of Trump asking for more than he ever thought he'd end up with, as part of a negotiating tactic? I wonder what he'd have ended up with if he had just asked for permanent military rights in the first place. I'm guessing something less than that That's generally how he negotiates. First he asks for something ludacris, then people go crazy and he "walks it back" and gets what he wanted in the first place. It's astonishing how well this works. |
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Originally Posted By DmL5: Lol. It's just an old geezer making up more bullshit. This is the same guy who claims we won the war with Iran 15 times per month. And says Iran is begging for a deal. And the Strait is open for business. He lies as he breathes. I feel sorry for anyone who still falls for this shit. https://i.imgur.com/Ws4DVyG.jpeg What does Iran have to do with this? |
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Originally Posted By DmL5: Lol. It's just an old geezer making up more bullshit. This is the same guy who claims we won the war with Iran 15 times per month. And says Iran is begging for a deal. And the Strait is open for business. He lies as he breathes. I feel sorry for anyone who still falls for this shit. https://i.imgur.com/Ws4DVyG.jpeg |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Like that was ever on the table. This is like saying after much negotiations, the US now has a permanent agreement with Germany to have military bases there while baring Russia and China from same. This is an absurd victory declaration, and everyone is acting like we won the moon. It's a bit... wow; to see the reactions actually. Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By wheel: Well he did accomplish something here. If you're trying to spin it otherwise, that's foolish. So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? It keeps China from doing a belt, road and lutefisk initiative Like that was ever on the table. This is like saying after much negotiations, the US now has a permanent agreement with Germany to have military bases there while baring Russia and China from same. This is an absurd victory declaration, and everyone is acting like we won the moon. It's a bit... wow; to see the reactions actually. It is amazing the people that will shit on everything without knowing the details. “China has not actively mined or held exclusive rights to operational mineral projects in Greenland, but it maintained significant financial stakes and strategic interest in key rare earth and iron ore deposits as part of its "Polar Silk Road" Arctic strategy.” @lazyengineer User name fits |
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Originally Posted By Dirtydog: So, I wonder if it makes the CNN news? Yes https://www.cnn.com/2026/09/18/politics/trump-us-greenland-security |
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Originally Posted By Dissident: Didn't he also want mineral rights? This is a good deal, but I do have to wonder if we had just approached them with the proposal in the first place, we might have avoided a lot of the BS. |
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts: So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By wheel: Well he did accomplish something here. If you're trying to spin it otherwise, that's foolish. So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win?  |
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Originally Posted By DmL5: He didn't get anything. It's the same agreement we've always had. Originally Posted By DmL5: Originally Posted By scrambler28: Originally Posted By DmL5: No, Trump negotiates by asking for something ludicrous ("ludacris" is a rapper), then he backs down when he doesn't get it, then he declares victory anyway. And gullible morons eat it up, thinking he accomplished something. Same exact thing he did with Canada, China, Iran, etc. Just for fun, what did he not get in Greenland that he wanted? He didn't get anything. It's the same agreement we've always had.  I don't think even you believe that one. |
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Originally Posted By JamPo: You sure about that chief? “China has not actively mined or held exclusive rights to operational mineral projects in Greenland, but it maintained significant financial stakes and strategic interest in key rare earth and iron ore deposits as part of its "Polar Silk Road" Arctic strategy.” Now with the info in OP’s post you will see China is named as an adversary and excluded in investing in sensitive sectors which may include rare earth elements. “The U.S. will now have permanent access, basing and overflight rights in Greenland, and the ability to establish additional military installations as needed, according to a senior U.S. official who outlined the deal exclusively to Fox News Digital. Originally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By DmL5: He didn’t get anything. It’s the same agreement we’ve always had. You sure about that chief? “China has not actively mined or held exclusive rights to operational mineral projects in Greenland, but it maintained significant financial stakes and strategic interest in key rare earth and iron ore deposits as part of its "Polar Silk Road" Arctic strategy.” Now with the info in OP’s post you will see China is named as an adversary and excluded in investing in sensitive sectors which may include rare earth elements. “The U.S. will now have permanent access, basing and overflight rights in Greenland, and the ability to establish additional military installations as needed, according to a senior U.S. official who outlined the deal exclusively to Fox News Digital. The U.S. pretty much already had that. Additional installations would have been fine under the current deal. The reason there are fewer U.S. installations in Greenland now than they used to be was because the U.S. shuttered them, not because Greenland or Denmark wanted it. The deal bars China, Russia and other non-NATO countries from establishing military bases or maintaining troops in Greenland. It also restricts adversaries from investing in sensitive sectors that could pose a threat to U.S. national security.” There was exactly ZERO chance of China, Russia or anyone else being allowed to establish bases or maintain troops in a territory owned by a NATO member. That's like celebrating a deal than bans flying pink elephants from New Jersey. |
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts: So we get basing rights in a location we already had carte Blanche to base, and where no non NATO country was attempting to set up facilities, so what exactly was the win? Not much except for codifying Greenland is off limits to non NATO countries. And we probably would have gotten that anyways without all the dick waving. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: So... Basically no change. The USA already has military bases in Greenland; who was never ever going to host a Russian or Chinese military base. How am I the only one eye-rolling at this? Thule Military Installation https://c7.alamy.com/comp/2T085PY/pituffik-space-base-formerly-thule-air-base-in-northern-greenland-wednesday-october-4-2023-the-base-changed-its-name-earlier-in-2023-the-reason-for-the-new-name-is-that-the-base-is-no-longer-staffed-by-people-from-the-us-air-force-but-instead-from-the-us-space-force-2T085PY.jpg You’re not wrong, but this gets all the mouth breathers excited prior to the midterms |
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Originally Posted By wheel: I checked earlier, only CNBC had a story. No CNN, ABC, CBS, etc. No surprise. Now I see some more, like NYT etc. But they're only doing it reluctantly. Originally Posted By wheel: Originally Posted By Dirtydog: So, I wonder if it makes the CNN news? No surprise. Now I see some more, like NYT etc. But they're only doing it reluctantly. I think a lot of news agencies need to verify if the story is legit. I mean, if it's just Trump sending out a tweet or someone from his staff saying it, I would be hesitant to post the story as fact too. Kind of like that one friend you know that likes to stretch the truth saying "I'm now dating _______" Before you take that as truth, you have to verify if the girl even knows she's dating him. Chances are she's not even aware. Trump also tends to over-exaggerate too. Like taking credit for something that was already in the works well before he got involved. But he'll take full credit and leave out all the other details. Like a guy that puts the final coat of paint on a house and that's it, but tells everyone he built the house. |
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Originally Posted By JLAudio: The 30% of America that still supports him love the headlines though. After losing so many times maybe we should congratulate them to make them feel good even though there was no win. Kind of like a participation trophy. Man, who's side are you fucking on. You groveling about our adversaries laughing at us, yet this deal permanently bars all investments from China and Russia from getting a foothold into Greenland, and kills the veto power Denmark had for what we can now do militarily. This means their European weak-kneed sensibilities can't stop instalation add-ons that their environmental wackos had stopped from before. And fuck Canada. They've been cozying up to China, they acted like complete fascist to their own citizens protesting the lock-downs and forced vaccines, and they let China abd the drug cartels shift their drug operations into their country to bring their drugs and tariffed goods South. You're really worried about them laughing at you and us? That's banana peel weak. |
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Originally Posted By cyclone: No one ever thought they would see Canada cozy up to the Chinese either...... Again, self inflicted. |
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Ultimately, I blame Denmark for much of this. They should have fucking JUMPED at the chance to unload Greenland to the U.S. as soon as he raised it (back in his first term). A three-way negotiation between the U.S., Denmark and the self-government of Greenland could have resulted in an amazing deal that would have made everyone better off. Sure, Trump handled it poorly and shot himself in the foot with his brash approach, but if Denmark had really thought it through and started serious negotiations, all of this nonsense and bullshit could have been avoided. But instead, everyone went with their knee-jerk reactions and we ended up with something not much better than the status quo. Just like when the fucking Germans didn't listen to him when he warned them about their dependence on Russian oil/gas. Trump is usually completely right, but people don't fucking listen.  |
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Originally Posted By Eponymous: Trump declares victory in historic deal with Greenland as he secures 'permanent' US military rights The deal bars Russia, China and non-NATO countries from establishing military bases on the island, Fox News Digital learned President Donald Trump struck a sweeping agreement with Denmark and Greenland this week granting the United States permanent military rights on the strategically placed Arctic island. The U.S. will now have permanent access, basing and overflight rights in Greenland, and the ability to establish additional military installations as needed, according to a senior U.S. official who outlined the deal exclusively to Fox News Digital. The deal bars China, Russia and other non-NATO countries from establishing military bases or maintaining troops in Greenland. It also restricts adversaries from investing in sensitive sectors that could pose a threat to U.S. national security. "This historic deal is a huge win for the United States and the American people," Secretary of State Marco Rubio told Fox News Digital. "Thanks to President Trump’s vision and leadership, this historic agreement permanently guarantees U.S. security interests in the Arctic at zero cost to the U.S. taxpayer." Source: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-declares-victory-historic-deal-greenland-secures-permanent-us-military-rights Mission accomplished. |
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Originally Posted By Rigley: I think a lot of news agencies need to verify if the story is legit. I mean, if it's just Trump sending out a tweet or someone from his staff saying it, I would be hesitant to post the story as fact too. Kind of like that one friend you know that likes to stretch the truth saying "I'm now dating _______" Before you take that as truth, you have to verify if the girl even knows she's dating him. Chances are she's not even aware. Trump also tends to over-exaggerate too. Like taking credit for something that was already in the works well before he got involved. But he'll take full credit and leave out all the other details. Like a guy that puts the final coat of paint on a house and that's it, but tells everyone he built the house. |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: The U.S. pretty much already had that. Additional installations would have been fine under the current deal. The reason there are fewer U.S. installations in Greenland now than they used to be was because the U.S. shuttered them, not because Greenland or Denmark wanted it. There was exactly ZERO chance of China, Russia or anyone else being allowed to establish bases or maintain troops in a territory owned by a NATO member. That's like celebrating a deal than bans flying pink elephants from New Jersey. Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By DmL5: He didn’t get anything. It’s the same agreement we’ve always had. You sure about that chief? “China has not actively mined or held exclusive rights to operational mineral projects in Greenland, but it maintained significant financial stakes and strategic interest in key rare earth and iron ore deposits as part of its "Polar Silk Road" Arctic strategy.” Now with the info in OP’s post you will see China is named as an adversary and excluded in investing in sensitive sectors which may include rare earth elements. “The U.S. will now have permanent access, basing and overflight rights in Greenland, and the ability to establish additional military installations as needed, according to a senior U.S. official who outlined the deal exclusively to Fox News Digital. The U.S. pretty much already had that. Additional installations would have been fine under the current deal. The reason there are fewer U.S. installations in Greenland now than they used to be was because the U.S. shuttered them, not because Greenland or Denmark wanted it. The deal bars China, Russia and other non-NATO countries from establishing military bases or maintaining troops in Greenland. It also restricts adversaries from investing in sensitive sectors that could pose a threat to U.S. national security.” There was exactly ZERO chance of China, Russia or anyone else being allowed to establish bases or maintain troops in a territory owned by a NATO member. That's like celebrating a deal than bans flying pink elephants from New Jersey. WOW..your smiley freak obviously means you are the smartest man in the room when it is childish. China had established some mineral rights in Greenland. Does the part of the agreement with Greenland that restricts non nato countries (China) from sensitive sectors. Would that include rare earth minerals. This is all part of removing China from gains in North and South America. Venezuela, Panama and now Greenland. Maybe you should wear that smiley freak as a hat. |
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