Trump declares victory in historic deal with Greenland as he secures 'permanent' US military rights (Page 5 of 5)
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Originally Posted By mcantu: This isn't a Senate ratified treat right? What's to stop the next Dem president from tearing up this a agreement and revert to the pre-Trump status? With voter ID laws there will likely never be another dem president. |
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Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: That will be the end of Canada as we know it. They are becoming a provisional member of the EU. THey can get the EU to invade to prevent Alberta from ceding. An attack on one is an attack on all. Trying to get away from the globohomo is an attack on the entire trailer park. |
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Originally Posted By scrambler28: Just for fun, what did he not get in Greenland that he wanted? Mineral rights? There are said to be vast resources, oil, rare earth metals, there. There's also rumored to be a massive space ship under the ice..  But I suppose we could make that area one of our military bases. 
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: He did get Denmark (and others in NATO) to take the defense of Greenland more seriously, and to invest more in Greenland's security. So it's unfair to say he didn't get anything. AND China/Russia and others CANNOT establish any presence there. |
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Originally Posted By Kihn: They are becoming a provisional member of the EU. THey can get the EU to invade to prevent Alberta from ceding. An attack on one is an attack on all. Trying to get away from the globohomo is an attack on the entire trailer park. Originally Posted By Kihn: Originally Posted By mooreshawnm: That will be the end of Canada as we know it. They are becoming a provisional member of the EU. THey can get the EU to invade to prevent Alberta from ceding. An attack on one is an attack on all. Trying to get away from the globohomo is an attack on the entire trailer park. Easy way to stop that is to announce that if it passes a vote by the member states we will pull out of Europe (except Greenland, of course). I doubt if the eastern EU countries want to have to rely on France and Germany to keep the vatniks out. |
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Originally Posted By Eponymous: This is how Trump does it / did it... The Greenland deal is Classic Trump 101: start with the wild ask — “we should own Greenland” — get everybody freaking out, and then negotiate toward what you really want. And what did he want? A bigger, permanent U.S. security footprint in Greenland and a way to keep China and Russia out. You can hate the style, but this is how he deals: start huge, create leverage, then land the part you actually came for.
Pfft….he could have gotten that and probably more just by asking. Trolling Denmark with threats of taking Greenland from them by force played into the hands of our enemies. |
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Anyone that thinks we haven't been asking nicely for decades is sorely mistaken. Same with Canadas lopsided tarrifs. Finally we got a President that was tired of us being walked all over. We tried the nice way on a lot of things. News: they weren't working, even with plane loads of cash. |
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Originally Posted By Dirtydog: Anyone that thinks we haven't been asking nicely for decades is sorely mistaken. Same with Canadas lopsided tarrifs. Finally we got a President that was tired of us being walked all over. We tried the nice way on a lot of things. News: they weren't working, even with plane loads of cash. Trump offered multiples amount of cash compared to Obama to Iran for a ceasefire. NATO, the western order, and free trade was built to protect and advance the American interests, Trump is more interested in pissing matches than actual results. |
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Trump offered multiples amount of cash compared to Obama to Iran for a ceasefire. NATO, the western order, and free trade was built to protect and advance the American interests, Trump is more interested in pissing matches than actual results. Nato was set up more for Europes defense. As for your last comment 
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Originally Posted By Dirtydog: You don't mind showing where he did that, do you? Nato was set up more for Europes defense. As for your last comment The MOU was widely reported. The post world order was set up by the United States to support their own interests. Free trade and the expansion of liberty were American ideals. Sadly, that has changed for many Americans. |
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Originally Posted By Tiberius: Pfft….he could have gotten that and probably more just by asking. Trolling Denmark with threats of taking Greenland from them by force played into the hands of our enemies. Originally Posted By Tiberius: Originally Posted By Eponymous: This is how Trump does it / did it... The Greenland deal is Classic Trump 101: start with the wild ask — “we should own Greenland” — get everybody freaking out, and then negotiate toward what you really want. And what did he want? A bigger, permanent U.S. security footprint in Greenland and a way to keep China and Russia out. You can hate the style, but this is how he deals: start huge, create leverage, then land the part you actually came for.
Pfft….he could have gotten that and probably more just by asking. Trolling Denmark with threats of taking Greenland from them by force played into the hands of our enemies. I'm inclined to believe this... Greenland is poor as fuck and they get jack shit from Denmark... Some mineral rights, being sure to cut Greenland in on a little chunk of the profits, would have probably gone a long way. |
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Originally Posted By BobRoberts: The MOU was widely reported. The post world order was set up by the United States to support their own interests. Free trade and the expansion of liberty were American ideals. Sadly, that has changed for many Americans. Originally Posted By BobRoberts: Originally Posted By Dirtydog: You don't mind showing where he did that, do you? Nato was set up more for Europes defense. As for your last comment The MOU was widely reported. The post world order was set up by the United States to support their own interests. Free trade and the expansion of liberty were American ideals. Sadly, that has changed for many Americans. As for NATO, are you suggesting free trade and liberty is somehow a bad thing. Self interest? -guilty- |
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Originally Posted By DevilsEggAdvocate: Iran is the elephant in the room. The potential wins in Greenland are pretty small. This is just another one of those satisfying bones he likes to toss to his base to make it seem like he's making progress when the negatives outweigh the positives by a lot. Negatives: Iran war Positives: Greenland agreement Venezuela Border security Illegal immigration all but halted with large scale deportations $0 tax stamps for SBRs and suppressors (which led to...) Court cases deeming portions of the NFA are illegal DOJ arguing in multiple courts (and SCOTUS) in favor of 2nd Amendment protections Tax cuts extended in BBB Electric vehicle mandate(s) cancelled Yeah, I can see why some people would be bitching constantly about Trump. |
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Originally Posted By Krater: You’ll need it after the midterms. Because presidents always did so well at the mid-terms. |
Grandfathering weapons only puts off until tomorrow what tyranny cannot accomplish today.
The only people made safer by gun control are criminals and tyrants.
The only people made safer by gun control are criminals and tyrants.
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Originally Posted By Dirtydog: Are you saying the MOU shows Trump paying money, or even something of value? I didn't see that, unless you're taking the Mullahs word for it. Can you give a bit more detail? Seriously curious. As for NATO, are you suggesting free trade and liberty is somehow a bad thing. Self interest? -guilty- Point #6 and the US released the MOU. Link No I’m not suggesting that free trade is a bad thing, the administration has been making that retarded argument. |
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Originally Posted By Dirtydog: Anyone that thinks we haven't been asking nicely for decades is sorely mistaken. That is not true. People act like the U.S. military presence and bases in Greenland were reduced over the past 50 years because Greenland or Denmark wanted the U.S. less involved there, and somehow the U.S. had been TRYING to get permission for more bases. That's total nonsense. Nothing substantially changed in the agreements that gave the U.S. the right to military bases and control over them. In the 1951 agreement, the U.S. already had the right to the three large existing military bases (Thule, Narsarsuaq and Sondrestrom) and was already allowed to established new defense areas. The U.S. military presence was reduced, and two of the three military bases were essentially abandoned, NOT because Denmark and Greenland didn't want them there, but because the U.S. decided they were no longer interested in maintaining those bases. Denmark and Greenland didn't make it more difficult for the U.S. to establish new bases. Rather, the U.S. abandoned existing bases that we already had the rights to. So this new agreement allows for two new bases, in addition to the existing one (Thule), for a total of three bases. ... instead of the original three bases that were agreed to in the 1951 agreement.  Yeah, I know there are some additional details to this new agreement, and the U.S. gets a bit more control and flexibility, but all of that would have been granted if we had just asked. Greenland was VERY interested in new investments, and would have been excited about it ... right up to the point when Trump started talking about buying (or taking) the island, and that's when public opinion in Greenland turned against him. |
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Copy/paste from google. Pretty simple: 1941 1945: During World War II, after Nazi Germany occupied Denmark, the U.S. stepped in to protect the territory, establishing crucial military airfields, weather stations, and bases. 1946: Recognizing its massive Arctic value at the start of the Cold War, President Harry S. Truman offered Denmark $100 million in gold to purchase Greenland outright. Denmark rejected the offer. 1951 1955: While Denmark maintained sovereignty, a 1951 defense treaty allowed the U.S. to construct major military installations, including Thule Air Base (now Pituffik Space Base). The Pentagon internally studied purchasing the island again in 1955 but did not make another formal offer. Most recently, the U.S. signed a security agreement with Denmark and Greenland at the United Nations General Assembly, allowing the U.S. military to expand its footprint and reopen former Cold War-era base sites eta; I should be clear, I'm not speaking to his personality or his abrasive behavior. |
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Greenland & Denmark are extremely happy about the deal. In exchange they are forever protected by the United States. US, Denmark, and Greenland Sign Military Agreement at UN General Assembly |
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Key points from the official statement Sovereignty intact: Both leaders stressed that the deal "recognises the sovereignty and territorial integrity of our Kingdom and the right of the Greenlandic people to self determination" No cession of powers: They confirmed there will be no formal transfer of foreign policy or resource control to Washington, and that Greenland's self governance will continue Security benefits: The agreement allows the US to develop a significant military presence in Greenland, including new bases at Narsarsuaq and Mestersvig, while prohibiting US adversaries from establishing military installations or making sensitive investments there without US approval. Not sure how he's going to build and man these at no cost to the American taxpayer? NATO and regional stability: Danish Foreign Minister Lars L kke Rasmussen said the deal "strengthens security in the Arctic and the North Atlantic while respecting the Kingdom's red lines" Greenland's view: Nielsen called the agreement a "win win win" that benefits Greenland, Denmark, the US, and Europe He knows Greenland isn't actually as big as Africa, right?.... 
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| All Trump was saying from the outset is that we needed a LOT more defense on our northern flank. He would be chastised and laughed at. Then he responded that the purchase offer was for our defense due to 'unfriendly' encroachments. NATO wasn't responding, nor was Denmark (sorry DK). That wasn't the right answer. |
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-Somebody that's been there.
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