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Originally Posted By 2W0X1: The transition already happened Our leaders having dinner tonight https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6ab5e7856b86819886d21f21/Trump-Xi/0x0.jpg?crop=1495,841,x0,y77,safe&height=399&width=711&fit=bounds These dinners have always happened. Geeze. |
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Originally Posted By Hill_monkey: https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-06-2021/l0qQ4D.gif It literally took me 5+ years of garage saleing to find a copy of that movie on DVD. |
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You know if it was a few decades ago when the big 3 built better cars....I'd say it was undercutting but as they build trash now for top dollar and on union wages....ehh If trump hadn't proposed it slotkin would have been all over it And yes if they are paying taxes, hiring our workers, I dont really care |
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Originally Posted By SkyFive: The UAW is wringing their hands, smoke is coming out of Mary Barra's ears. Maybe if she’d stop building V8’s that self destruct? Kia/Hyundai aren’t always known for reliability, but they sell a shitload because it’s cheap. (I know, they’re Korean) Domestic’s problem is they aren’t exactly known for reliability anymore, yet they expect consumers to pay top dollar for Kia/Hyundai (or Chinese?) levels of quality. Plenty of people will pay more for quality…sadly, domestics aren’t offering it…. If cheap, shitty Chinese cars can put them out of business, not sure it’s really a loss…. |
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Originally Posted By rtintwo: I’m really curious how the Chinese will deal with the UAW. On communist principles they should embrace each other but the UAW is toxic and will reduce productivity. I don’t want the Chinese here but I would enjoy fireworks. Probably like the zero foreign automakers in the US that use UAW employees now. The UAW will be a nothing blip in the rear view mirror. |
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.
I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
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Originally Posted By rtintwo: I’m really curious how the Chinese will deal with the UAW. On communist principles they should embrace each other but the UAW is toxic and will reduce productivity. I don’t want the Chinese here but I would enjoy fireworks. Put the plants where the UAW isn't anything, like in the South. |
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Originally Posted By Libercontrarian: BE a great, big FUCK YOU to the auto industry and mostly to the National Auto Dealers Association, which has been swinging its big, protected dick around since the 1920s. Fuck those guys. Although the Chinese would wreck some companies, it would force these lazy, slow, stupid car makers and possibly the World's Shittiest Politicians to figure out how to be less sucky at their jobs. Creative destruction. They are the teacher's unions of big industry. Lazy with poor results and the middle finger to their consumers but the .gov looks the other way and keeps giving them more free money. |
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Originally Posted By gotigers: LOL Same was said about Toyota and Nissan in the 70's. The difference is they didn't have the same cost advantage as China does now. This plan is just to make it palatable to allow China to gain a beach head. Americans are sick and tired of paying as much as they do for American, Japanese and European cars and once they get a taste of cars from China will want them for half to a third less the current cost by direct import. In the rest of the world cars made in China are dominant because cars from other countries can't compete when there is a half to a third price advantage to the consumer. Trump is selling out Americans if he goes forward with this. |
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Originally Posted By Krater: Just so you know - Elon Musk hasn't figured it out so far. Tesla sales in China have been falling over the past few years. If you think US automotive execs are smarter then he is, and will figure it out ... I admire your optimism. Personally, I figure they will sell all the assets to the Chinese while the assets are still worth something. You'll be driving a "Buick", designed and 50% made in Shanghai, CN. Elon Musk entering China was a betrayal. China was eager for him to set up manufacturing there, not because they wanted his cars, but because he could jumpstart electric car manufacturing for them by creating the ecosystem that supports the manufacturing. BYD and other car companies there will eventually dominate Tesla cars everywhere and Tesla is the only western brand of EVs that have any real volume. “The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.” |
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Sounds like another South Park episode. Instead of "CITY E-BIKE" it's "CITY E-CAR". For those who have not seen the episode, City E-Bike was run by a Chinese national who sold unsafe low cost Chinese E-bikes to children. When he said the name, came out sounding like "Shitty E-Bike". |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: Probably like the zero foreign automakers in the US that use UAW employees now. The UAW will be a nothing blip in the rear view mirror. Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By rtintwo: I'm really curious how the Chinese will deal with the UAW. On communist principles they should embrace each other but the UAW is toxic and will reduce productivity. I don't want the Chinese here but I would enjoy fireworks. Probably like the zero foreign automakers in the US that use UAW employees now. The UAW will be a nothing blip in the rear view mirror. |
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Originally Posted By binthere: If we were a free country, we’d be allowed to have 79 series Landcruiser Pickups with turbo diesel engines in the USA.  |
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Originally Posted By K30MuleLAR15: Will mot be long the chines will own this forum too and 99% will be good with it. The arfcom way.... You can thank Nixon and Kissinger for this turn of events, followed by the incessant greed of the political class over the ensuing decades. And here we are. GM makes vehicles in Mexico and Canada. Not sure about Ford, but they probably do as well. Neither of those countries can be considered allies. |
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As long they hire Americans and direct manufacturer to consumer like Tesla. Fuck dealerships. It would give GM and Ford a reason to improve quality instead pumping out junk with recalls after recalls. And quit adding unnecessary features. We dont need dash wide screens or electric push button tailgates 
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Originally Posted By 2W0X1: The transition already happened Our leaders having dinner tonight https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6ab5e7856b86819886d21f21/Trump-Xi/0x0.jpg?crop=1495,841,x0,y77,safe&height=399&width=711&fit=bounds Originally Posted By 2W0X1: Originally Posted By JLAudio: The transition seems inevitable at this point. State backed capitalism... invites oligarchies and cronyism.. which seems like already exists. The transition already happened Our leaders having dinner tonight https://imageio.forbes.com/specials-images/imageserve/6ab5e7856b86819886d21f21/Trump-Xi/0x0.jpg?crop=1495,841,x0,y77,safe&height=399&width=711&fit=bounds What offensive object is covered on the right hand side? |
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Originally Posted By Caddys83: As long they hire Americans and direct manufacturer to consumer like Tesla. Fuck dealerships. It would give GM and Ford a reason to improve quality instead pumping out junk with recalls after recalls. And quit adding unnecessary features. We dont need dash wide screens or electric push button tailgates Franchise laws in states, that's not gonna happen. |
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Time to get the fed gov out of the auto industry. That includes you too Mr. Trump. I dont want your EPA, NHTSA, or any other gov agency in the business of designing autos or trucks. If China, or any other foreign maker, can reasonably demonstrate that they produce and sell them in an honest and fair market....great. |
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Originally Posted By sanman28: Time to get the fed gov out of the auto industry. That includes you too Mr. Trump. I dont want your EPA, NHTSA, or any other gov agency in the business of designing autos or trucks. If China, or any other foreign maker, can reasonably demonstrate that they produce and sell them in an honest and fair market....great. That's not gonna happen either. BTW, we got better cars thanks to those regs. |
Remember when Trump went after China 4 moths ago for election interference? Now we're buddies? Pepperidge farm remembers.  Donald Trump’s address on Chinese election interference | Factcheck |
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Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By rtintwo: I'm really curious how the Chinese will deal with the UAW. On communist principles they should embrace each other but the UAW is toxic and will reduce productivity. I don't want the Chinese here but I would enjoy fireworks. Probably like the zero foreign automakers in the US that use UAW employees now. The UAW will be a nothing blip in the rear view mirror. They keep tryin' but they be dyin.' Treat employees decently and unions have a very hard time getting a foothold. The best thing the UAW does is keep the non union automakers reasonably ''honest.'' |
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.
I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
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Originally Posted By bosshoff: This is more a question of all the spy shit that they put inside the car to listen to you to watch your face to record every conversation you’re having and see everything that the camera see on millions of cars on the road. If they know that John Del works for the FBI they can tap his car and listen and see everything he sees. That Hungwei operating system is simply an espionage network. Yep. |
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Originally Posted By Libercontrarian: BE a great, big FUCK YOU to the auto industry and mostly to the National Auto Dealers Association, which has been swinging its big, protected dick around since the 1920s. Fuck those guys. Although the Chinese would wreck some companies, it would force these lazy, slow, stupid car makers and possibly the World's Shittiest Politicians to figure out how to be less sucky at their jobs. Creative destruction. |
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Originally Posted By rtintwo: I’m really curious how the Chinese will deal with the UAW. On communist principles they should embrace each other but the UAW is toxic and will reduce productivity. I don’t want the Chinese here but I would enjoy fireworks. Chinese companies are accustomed to having free reign WRT labor, safety, and the environment. Wait til they get here and discover OSHA, EPA, and every other bureau. Then the UAW will get their piece of the pie. |
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Originally Posted By JKH62: China is bung hole but they want to do the same thing as other transplant foreign car companies are doing currently in the US. Every foreign company that has a plant in the USA employs US workers but the profits flow back to that country. Build better vehicles and quit over pricing the POS you do build then. It's funny how US automakers/dealer think nothing about ''taking off'' 10-15K on the MSRP or offering ''incredible'' incentives or the dealers adding thousands to tens of thousands over MSRP depending on demand or lack of it. Resale on many to most models, a joke IF it makes it past payoff. Meanwhile, Toyota and Honda [for the most part] just keep on selling their mostly slower but more highly sought after rides for around the MSRP prices. Get a couple grand off MSRP and one goes home and dances a happy jig. [unless its a new Tundra, sorry, toyota, you GM'ed yourself with the new one, the old ones are priced like like gold for a reason.] |
Liberals are a curious mix of communism and fascism, they want to destroy you but want to use your own money to do it.
I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
I'm getting down to the last box, the others have all been destroyed...
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Originally Posted By fxntime: They keep tryin' but they be dyin.' Treat employees decently and unions have a very hard time getting a foothold. The best thing the UAW does is keep the non union automakers reasonably ''honest.'' Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Alacrity: Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By rtintwo: I'm really curious how the Chinese will deal with the UAW. On communist principles they should embrace each other but the UAW is toxic and will reduce productivity. I don't want the Chinese here but I would enjoy fireworks. Probably like the zero foreign automakers in the US that use UAW employees now. The UAW will be a nothing blip in the rear view mirror. They keep tryin' but they be dyin.' Treat employees decently and unions have a very hard time getting a foothold. The best thing the UAW does is keep the non union automakers reasonably ''honest.'' Attached File VW Chattanooga. https://uaw.org/vw/ Im not going to say UAW is on a roll but they won here and they've supported the ouster of CTM/affilitaes in MX. CTM is seeen a mfg friendly. SINTTIA won at Silao, so there's moemetum. UAW Local 42 Chatt is touted by the Union. Union "job protections", health cost out of pocket cut, the big victory that will pull at other shops, 20% across the board wage increase. "Did you get a 20% cash bump?! We did!!" I see the attraction and know how this works. But yea, Unions are the obvious result of poor management. My college roommate used to quip that all the time. I've never forgotten. |
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