Stopping the motor of the world. (Page 2 of 2)
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Originally Posted By R2point0: The modem drug cartel didn't exist until the 70's, after Dune was written. CHOAM wasn't modeled on the Sinaloa cartel, it was modeled on OPEC. You are imputing influence to things that didn't exist when Dune was written. It's like feminist criticism of Moby Dick. Illegal drugs didn't exist before 1965? lol Also, we note you didn't support your previous claim about the domestic oil production figures in 1965. Is there a reason for that? My point stands. It's about cartels controlling substances that people need, or think they need, to feed their addiction. Drugs are the closest modern example. Oil is a piss poor example. Somebody, who shall remain nameless, wrote this: Dune was written in 1965, when US production was on the downswing |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Fossil fuels power the motor of the world. Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: I do not understand the OP. Is OP saying Iran is the motor of the world? I've been assured that Sharona makes the motor run. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Illegal drugs didn't exist before 1965? lol Also, we note you didn't support the previous claim about the domestic oil production figures in 1965. Is there a reason for that? My point stands. It's about cartels controlling substances that people need, or think they need, to feed their addiction. Drugs are the closest modern example. Oil is a piss poor example. Somebody, who shall remnain nameless, wrote this: Dune was written in 1965, when US production was on the downswing I didn't support my previous claim about US production because I was wrong. Unlike some I won't continue to argue about facts when I am proven wrong. Drugs cartels are a modern example of cartels. But it's not like cartels didn't exist before the 70's. DeBeers. OPEC. The NCAA. The NFL. Why would Herbert need to hypothesize the rise of drug cartels when he had OPEC right there in front of him? Oh, let's not forget a desert people, outside control of their resources, religious fanaticism, etc. WTF do they have to do with modern drug cartels? You aren't going to convince me that Frank Herbert wrote Dune as a drug cartel allegory. And honestly, you probably aren't going to convince anyone else. |
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Originally Posted By Dumak: The Saudis could stomp out the Houthis and Iran. The question is why they are not doing this. |
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: Also the necessary resource for transportation works on people like a combination of cocaine and psilocybin. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383325/86A02BC7-A277-4284-AC8D-1C4BEFB1BCDD_jpe-3830391.JPG And because I like Dune memes… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/383325/C1B44B8C-4FC5-485D-82A4-0D2FD667CF30_jpe-3830392.JPG I doubt many people under 50 will 'get' that......... 
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Drugs existed. Drug cartels like we have now did not. I didn't support my previous claim about US production because I was wrong. Unlike some I won't continue to argue about facts when I am proven wrong. Drugs cartels are a modern example of cartels. But it's not like cartels didn't exist before the 70's. DeBeers. OPEC. The NCAA. The NFL. Why would Herbert need to hypothesize the rise of drug cartels when he had OPEC right there in front of him? Oh, let's not forget a desert people, outside control of their resources, religious fanaticism, etc. WTF do they have to do with modern drug cartels? You aren't going to convince me that Frank Herbert wrote Dune as a drug cartel allegory. And honestly, you probably aren't going to convince anyone else. Welp, bub, you made the claim it was an allegory about oil. Glad to see you've retracted that claim. Good on ya. Drugs are the closest analogy to Spice in Dune. They are both drugs, after all. And addiction. And cartels who control the drugs. And the wars fought between the cartels. I mean, what's so hard about that? |
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: Spice Melange in large doses allows one to see the future and extends human lifespan.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRBmH3T8BVsCan’t see why a rich, old, powerful person might get hopelessly addicted to that.  It's been a few decades since I read Dune, but I thought that spice was necessary and used by the spaceship navigators to be able to guide the spaceships. Of course, I only read the first book, not any of the sequels. |
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Welp, bub, you made the claim it was an allegory about oil. Glad to see you've retracted that claim. Good on ya. Drugs are the closest analogy to Spice in Dune. They are both drugs, after all. And addiction. And cartels who control the drugs. And the wars fought between the cartels. I mean, what's so hard about that? You've been consistently mis-stating my position and statements and then claiming to defeat them. While simultaneously completely ignoring my other points, and ignoring problems with your own argument. You just keep saying "it's obviously about drugs because spice is a drug" as if that is a definitive argument. It's the equivalent of "It's so obvious there's no point in discussing it " Who taught you to argue? Liberals? A wife? |
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Originally Posted By huntingAz: It's been a few decades since I read Dune, but I thought that spice was necessary and used by the spaceship navigators to be able to guide the spaceships. Of course, I only read the first book, not any of the sequels. |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Inspired by TE Lawrence. Outsider leads desert tribes, teaches them new techniques. Oh, and the tribes are sitting on top of *the* necessary resource for transportation. Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By R2point0: Originally Posted By Torf: Yep, it's a philosophical treatise about refusing to participate in one's own torture and destruction. It's not a "Who's Who" of total world domination. Big if true And “Sabres of Paradise” |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: Lol. I retracted my claim about US oil production on the downswing in 65. That's it. That was one leg of a multi-point argument. You seem to have grabbed onto that and think you've proven me wrong while completely ignoring the rest of my points. You've been consistently mis-stating my position and statements and then claiming to defeat them. While simultaneously completely ignoring my other points, and ignoring problems with your own argument. You just keep saying "it's obviously about drugs because spice is a drug" as if that is a definitive argument. It's the equivalent of "It's so obvious there's no point in discussing it " Who taught you to argue? Liberals? A wife? Dude. It's a novel. It's a good story. It has some possible allegorical comparisons to modern life, one of which isn't oil. That is all. 
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Originally Posted By Lou_Daks: Dude. It's a novel. It's a good story. It has some possible allegorical comparisons to modern life, one of which isn't oil. That is all. |
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