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Originally Posted By limaxray: <-- Not a pilot, in fact the exact opposite, working underground. But I vaguely remember hearing from the B1 guys I worked with at Grand Forks that you take off with 100% of available thrust every time, so that includes A/Bs, every time. Am I imagining/misremembering/making up things? @MudEagle @Mach Originally Posted By limaxray: <-- Not a pilot, in fact the exact opposite, working underground. But I vaguely remember hearing from the B1 guys I worked with at Grand Forks that you take off with 100% of available thrust every time, so that includes A/Bs, every time. Am I imagining/misremembering/making up things? @MudEagle @Mach Originally Posted By MudEagle: Yes, there is a variable range of stages to afterburner in some 3rd gen and all 4th gen and beyond fighters. See that area between where the throttles can be set at MIL (the highest non-afterburner power setting) and MAX (the highest afterburner setting)? Yes....@wildboar "partial afterburner" is possible, and @vmax84 "full afterburner" is a thing, although the correct terminology would be "MIN afterburner" through "MAX afterburner". https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/470117/Screenshot_2026-09-20_at_03_31_03_copy_j-3829978.JPG Also on a Scramble it would be AB for min time and climb even on a CONUS Alert scramble with limited ordinance. |
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Originally Posted By limaxray: My bet: Saudi just got fed up with the Houthis (and by extension, Iran, Russia and China), and told everybody, "buckle up, buttercup, we're done playing games." US and Israel are piggybacking/supporting Saudi efforts in the region to meet their own objectives, hence the "open the next larger box of whoopass and ship it" going on at the five-sided wind tunnel. They haven't been all that successful against the Houthi in the past however. Their air force is probably the most professional branch and I've never heard too many glowing reviews from people that have worked with them. Maybe our resident eagle guys can chime in. |
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Originally Posted By YourAlterEgo: I’d never given it one second of thought in my entire life, but that’s actually cool information. There's a video with a female f15 pilot and she talks about a safety wired override switch. Undo safety wire flip switch and get out in a hurry. It overrides some safeties or something to allow some extra boost but requires A LOT on inspections after. I'm assuming it's true since she was a pilot giving a cockpit walkthrough. |
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Originally Posted By 07yzryder: There's a video with a female f15 pilot and she talks about a safety wired override switch. Undo safety wire flip switch and get out in a hurry. It overrides some safeties or something to allow some extra boost but requires A LOT on inspections after. I'm assuming it's true since she was a pilot giving a cockpit walkthrough. Originally Posted By 07yzryder: Originally Posted By YourAlterEgo: I'd never given it one second of thought in my entire life, but that's actually cool information. There's a video with a female f15 pilot and she talks about a safety wired override switch. Undo safety wire flip switch and get out in a hurry. It overrides some safeties or something to allow some extra boost but requires A LOT on inspections after. I'm assuming it's true since she was a pilot giving a cockpit walkthrough. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: The saudi have nice toys. That 15SA they lost this week were some of the best Eagles in the world until the EX. The EX appears to be a monster as far as capability goes, like a super strike eagle. They haven't been all that successful against the Houthi in the past however. Their air force is probably the most professional branch and I've never heard too many glowing reviews from people that have worked with them. Saudi's and most Middle East militaries aren't great. They can have nice shit but if you don't train, get your tactics down (and keep refining them), you are predictable - add in the intelligence aspect of knowing what to hit / where to hit it / when / etc, and you can even have a bunch of badasses, but they are limited because they don't know where to hit. |
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Originally Posted By 07yzryder:There's a video with a female f15 pilot and she talks about a safety wired override switch. Undo safety wire flip switch and get out in a hurry. It overrides some safeties or something to allow some extra boost but requires A LOT on inspections after. I'm assuming it's true since she was a pilot giving a cockpit walkthrough. The Vmax switch you are referring to on an F-15 won't do anything until you are supersonic and even then it's not a significant increase. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: It is the VMax switch and is prohibited to use. It trashes the engines, but that switch allowed mcD to meet the contractual performance criteria I didn't know we played Mig-25 games with Vmax. With the new engines the rumor or public statement about the EX is that it's faster if it's ever clean. But they didn't bump the stated top speed. still 2.5. So maybe it's now 2.5 but the engines don't melt. 
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Originally Posted By Crazyascanbe: Because he told the pilot to take him to the land of jews. Pilot fucked up. Originally Posted By Crazyascanbe: Originally Posted By MaxFenig: Why would the president fly to New York and then fly to Israel all in the same day…  Because he told the pilot to take him to the land of jews. Pilot fucked up. Pilot must be from the west coast. Everybody on the east coast knows the land of the jews is Miami. |
| Lots of UN meetings this week & Xi. I wouldn't think powers would want to kick something off during that. Bibi likely voted out in a month. Dems ascendent here in a few months. Things starting to feel dynamic. A different Izzy government isn't going to feel much different about Gaza or Iran. Something seems to be forcing DJT's hand on 'annihilating Iran'. You'd think we can just starve them out. I suspect no oil for the rest of the world and Saudi susceptibility to Houti attacks are a big part of it. Europe has about 70% of supplies of natural gas, and they'll start to draw that down in weeks. Factor in lower incoming amounts, less diesel, less heating oil - could be a tough winter. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: The saudi have nice toys. That 15SA they lost this week were some of the best Eagles in the world until the EX. The EX appears to be a monster as far as capability goes, like a super strike eagle. They haven't been all that successful against the Houthi in the past however. Their air force is probably the most professional branch and I've never heard too many glowing reviews from people that have worked with them. Maybe our resident eagle guys can chime in. Saudi's military is the epitome of the rich dad buying his spoiled lazy sons the nicest things money can buy so the sons can just show off in them, and eventually either abandon or trash them. The look great in parades, but have no will to fight. Cut off the population's free monthly stipend because of the attacks on oil and watch a shitstorm like you've never seen. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Huh...learned something. I didn't know we played Mig-25 games with Vmax. With the new engines the rumor or public statement about the EX is that it's faster if it's ever clean. But they didn't bump the stated top speed. still 2.5. So maybe it's now 2.5 but the engines don't melt. The F-15EX uses GE-129 engines just like the F-15Ks we sold South Korea back in 2005. An F-15E with PW-229 (or GE-129) engines can easily supercruise clean. |
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Originally Posted By limaxray: <-- Not a pilot, in fact the exact opposite, working underground. But I vaguely remember hearing from the B1 guys I worked with at Grand Forks that you take off with 100% of available thrust every time, so that includes A/Bs, every time. Am I imagining/misremembering/making up things? ETA: And living there for five years with B1s taking off all the time, I can't EVER remember a time they didn't use A/Bs. @MudEagle @Mach I lived in Grand Forks for a year. Not on base. They used afterburner to overcome the Canadian fire smoke and the permanent winds blowing across the upper plains
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Originally Posted By DarkGray: The F-15EX uses GE-129 engines just like the F-15Ks we sold South Korea back in 2005. An F-15E with PW-229 (or GE-129) engines can easily supercruise clean. I new the navy adversary vipers could back in the day but I'd never heard that about the E. I know the conformals really put a damper on the performance. |
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Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Just an FYI… the B-1B bomber does not have a nuclear mission...yet. It has NOT had one in years. The treaty that took away that mission died on Feb 5th of this year. Rewiring it for consent switches and removing the epoxy in the hard points is easy. Look for it in future mods.... |
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Originally Posted By Mach: there is shit that got kicked off today Houthis hit the fuel storage at Saudi Riyadh Airport. Airport is shut down Saudis are doing strikes into Yemen Israel went back into The West Bank Iran hit a tanker in the Straight Turkey announced there is no limitation to the force they will use against those attacking Saudi Ukraine blew up the largest refinery in Russia using new long range missiles Saudi shut off oil to EU Good summary. Thats all I've seen as well. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Yes, but there is a bunch of stuff that has to go back in. It's not like USPS....if it fits it ships.  They make you sign for those things.... Gonna make another bet: you'll see the B1 go back to nuclear capable in the next five years. |
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Originally Posted By HobbitHunter: Saudi's military is the epitome of the rich dad buying his spoiled lazy sons the nicest things money can buy so the sons can just show off in them, and eventually either abandon or trash them. The look great in parades, but have no will to fight. Cut off the population's free monthly stipend because of the attacks on oil and watch a shitstorm like you've never seen. Originally Posted By HobbitHunter: Originally Posted By xd341: The saudi have nice toys. That 15SA they lost this week were some of the best Eagles in the world until the EX. The EX appears to be a monster as far as capability goes, like a super strike eagle. They haven't been all that successful against the Houthi in the past however. Their air force is probably the most professional branch and I've never heard too many glowing reviews from people that have worked with them. Maybe our resident eagle guys can chime in. Saudi's military is the epitome of the rich dad buying his spoiled lazy sons the nicest things money can buy so the sons can just show off in them, and eventually either abandon or trash them. The look great in parades, but have no will to fight. Cut off the population's free monthly stipend because of the attacks on oil and watch a shitstorm like you've never seen. This |
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Originally Posted By limaxray: Gonna make another bet: you'll see the B1 go back to nuclear capable in the next five years. I hope not, we have much better things that money and flight hours could be used for than certifying crews and planes for nukes, especially when the plane only has about 10 yrs left. |
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Originally Posted By limaxray: Gonna make another bet: you'll see the B1 go back to nuclear capable in the next five years. Originally Posted By limaxray: Originally Posted By xd341: Yes, but there is a bunch of stuff that has to go back in. It's not like USPS....if it fits it ships. They make you sign for those things....Gonna make another bet: you'll see the B1 go back to nuclear capable in the next five years. How much time does the B-1 have left? They were getting creaky years ago and spare parts are kinda hard to come by. Probably depends entirely on when the B-21 goes into full production, though it seems that program is well ahead of schedule. Edit, oop, answer came while I was typing.
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Originally Posted By xd341: Yes, but there is a bunch of stuff that has to go back in. It's not like USPS....if it fits it ships. They make you sign for those things....Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By limaxray: The treaty that took away that mission died on Feb 5th of this year. They make you sign for those things.... |
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Originally Posted By JMclane1204: I hope this is going to be something real and big. Imagine what kind of mural you could paint on all that glass… How about load some different colors into the nukes and do like a giant stained glass window that could be seen from space? |
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Originally Posted By R2point0: But did they ever actually take that stuff out? I can see them removing a switch from the cockpit but leaving the wire in place and connected to the actuator in the bomb bay. Just pop that little cover off, plug in that old switch, reattach the label, and Mustafa is your uncle. I've seen stats on wiring in the buff. It's an impressive mess. Uncle sugar is rather particular about authorizing the release of crowd pleasers. There are specific systems required. It changes and obviously they don't talk about it much but it's not as easy as dropping a JDAM. At least that's my understanding. And like others have said, she's entering her twilight years. We have other systems to get that job done. Nothing as sexy though. No offense to the Strike guys, and Fat Amy knows she's an Alaska 7.
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Originally Posted By xd341: Yes, but there is a bunch of stuff that has to go back in. It's not like USPS....if it fits it ships. They make you sign for those things....Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By limaxray: The treaty that took away that mission died on Feb 5th of this year. They make you sign for those things....Not a zoomie, but didn't they delete a LOT of cable just to check a box? |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Huh...learned something. I didn't know we played Mig-25 games with Vmax. With the new engines the rumor or public statement about the EX is that it's faster if it's ever clean. But they didn't bump the stated top speed. still 2.5. So maybe it's now 2.5 but the engines don't melt. One of the guys with engineering oversight that said fully clean it will do Mach 3. Of course he retracted that statement afterward, but there's no good reason as to why it could not do that with the new much more powerful engines. |
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Originally Posted By bgrhammer: Not a zoomie, but didn't they delete a LOT of cable just to check a box?
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Originally Posted By Shockergd: One of the guys with engineering oversight that said fully clean it will do Mach 3. Of course he retracted that statement afterward, but there's no good reason as to why it could not do that with the new much more powerful engines. Plus inlet geometry becomes a serious issue. There are inlets that work well under mach 2 and inlets that work over mach 2. Its rare to have one that can do both well. Same goes for engines. Hence the 71s essentially hybrid ramjet. J58s were pretty amazing in their day....still are really. Newer designs are trending toward hybrid combined cycle again for this same reason. If you wan to take off under power you need a turbofan, if you want to go mach3 or faster you need something else. I doubt the EX can get to 3 for this reason, if it can it's on the hairy edge of breaking something. The inlet design was one of the major changes to the Bone between the A and B programs. The B is actually faster on the deck than the A even though the A was roughly twice as fast at altitude. They also massively suppressed the RCS due to that change. Turbofan blades make really good radar reflectors and the B inlet masked them better. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: I don't know the language of the treaty or how it was implemented, but I'm sure it was more than just putting a piece of tape over the button and writing "no" on it. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By bgrhammer: Not a zoomie, but didn't they delete a LOT of cable just to check a box? I didn't think I was mis-rembering things, but I'll let the true SME maintainers chime in. Hell, all I did was shop at their PX and uniform store because we shared some things. We were tight like that.  Side bar: I got my first salute from a pair of Airmen, the E6 Airman first class should have known better. The set up, ID card dispensing device is down on my base. We're all one happy family on Oahu, me casa, su casa so out the door I went. This is prior to 9-11. If you visited another service's base/installation you wore your Sunday best and conducted yourself in a proper military manner. So here's my lowly E-4 snipe ass, cunt cap and all just trying to get to the pass an ID office. 2 wide coming my way. Good afternoon Sir! My reply, thank you, enlisted, Coast Guard! The bling on my collar must have blinded them.
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I am pretty sure the criteria for de-nuking the bone was that it had to be “irreversible”. Doesn’t matter anymore though they are too old for that level of investment when we have better alternatives. |
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Originally Posted By MrHold: you always have team if you don't want a shit storm Originally Posted By MrHold: Originally Posted By HiramRanger: And a lot of the same bullshit clutter intentionally posted to derail the thread and make it unreadable. Really wish people could grow the fuck up and stick to news in news threads and serious conversation. Yeah I’m expecting way too much. you always have team if you don't want a shit storm I don’t control where the thread was posted, but people can control their idiocy. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Nobody is nuking anyone. We're trying to keep it that way. Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Codyboy: How about load some different colors into the nukes and do like a giant stained glass window that could be seen from space? |
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Originally Posted By Shockergd: One of the guys with engineering oversight that said fully clean it will do Mach 3. Of course he retracted that statement afterward, but there's no good reason as to why it could not do that with the new much more powerful engines. Originally Posted By Shockergd: Originally Posted By xd341: Huh...learned something. I didn't know we played Mig-25 games with Vmax. With the new engines the rumor or public statement about the EX is that it's faster if it's ever clean. But they didn't bump the stated top speed. still 2.5. So maybe it's now 2.5 but the engines don't melt. One of the guys with engineering oversight that said fully clean it will do Mach 3. Of course he retracted that statement afterward, but there's no good reason as to why it could not do that with the new much more powerful engines. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I know a guy that did 2.7 in a clean A Model Eagle at 65,000 feet doing an intercept on an SR-71 without the VMax being used. Of course if those engines had burped, he was dead. But He didn't really think about that at the time, he was...busy. |
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Originally Posted By xd341: Hell of a paradox ain't it? Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Mach: But....being able to do it many times over is what keeps it that way.
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Originally Posted By xd341: Ok...define a burp, and what would happen? Just break up due to aero drag if it got out of shape? Originally Posted By xd341: Originally Posted By Mach: I know a guy that did 2.7 in a clean A Model Eagle at 65,000 feet doing an intercept on an SR-71 without the VMax being used. Of course if those engines had burped, he was dead. But He didn't really think about that at the time, he was...busy. Engines purp and as soon as the pressurization fails with engine failures, which is pretty much immediately, all the gas comes out of his blood and he dead. He had no pressure suit. I have only been to 55,000 with no pressure suit, but I was only doing 1.8 well within engine parameters. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: Engines purp and as soon as the pressurization fails with engine failures, which is pretty much immediately, all the gas comes out of his blood and he dead. He had no pressure suit. I have only been to 55,000 with no pressure suit, but I was only doing 1.8 well within engine parameters. I was thinking it got squirrely due to asymmetric thrust issues and came apart when the pointy end stopped pointing into the wind. The SR had an issue with that but those engines were much further apart. |
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Originally Posted By LittlePony: ... so ... what is happening? Don't know. I just enjoy the F15 talk and random details about other stuff. Xi is coming to the US and apparently China is pressuring Iran to quit blowing up refineries in Saudi Arabia. That's all I got. |
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Originally Posted By FlatlandBusa: I'm good with reading the plane dorks posts. More interesting than a bunch of false doom. Originally Posted By FlatlandBusa: Originally Posted By xd341: any new news or are we just going to keep being plane dorks? I'm good with reading the plane dorks posts. More interesting than a bunch of false doom. Yup. I miss my days roaming the airfields. |
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Originally Posted By limaxray: The treaty that took away that mission died on Feb 5th of this year. Rewiring it for consent switches and removing the epoxy in the hard points is easy. Look for it in future mods.... Originally Posted By limaxray: Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Just an FYI… the B-1B bomber does not have a nuclear mission...yet. It has NOT had one in years. The treaty that took away that mission died on Feb 5th of this year. Rewiring it for consent switches and removing the epoxy in the hard points is easy. Look for it in future mods.... 
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