Sig NEXT 2026 (Page 1 of 2)
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Sig NEXT is more or less their own private SHOT Show for new product releases. The headliner here is the long rumored P385 pistol:  That's a full size pistol line that uses P320 mags, but unlike the P320, it's not designed around a DAO POS. Without digging in to the feature set, this pistol looks to have good potential. Other new products include... Alloy frame variants of the P211. The GT5 and GT4 are pretty heavy guns, and this saves ~10oz, so this is good. Typical new configurations of the P365 and P320. The HYP, an AR derivative built around 6.8x51:  A new optics family called XRAY5:  Details are scant, but this is extremely interesting. This is a solid state optic with no moving parts. It uses a 225 pixel dot matrix, and zeroing is done digitally. This is also going to have some kind of in-optic round counter. These are US assembled, and MSRP on the line runs between $499 and $599. I'll be keeping tabs on this. They're also doing an AMR Combo Kit of the ROMEO5X:  The AMR system allows for quick, automatic changing of RDS settings when the magnifier is flipped. This was introduced on the ROMEO8T, but that combo had a soft reception thanks to its $999 price point. The ROMEO5X AMR combo has an MSRP of $499. That should be very competitive. There are also a light and a rangefinder. Unfortunately, they still aren't making P226/P229s with threaded barrels. Full launch: https://www.sigsauer.com/next.html |
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| Safe to say they are going to end the p320 quietly and go to the 385. It won’t be long before every gun tuber has a 385 on their channel praising how great it is. It will also be said by a bunch that bashed sig prior. I have a 320. Two actually. I like them. Used to carry them. One is now a flux raider for a car gun. Other is a m18 in the safe. I don’t get all caught up in the stuff about them being unsafe. Maybe they are or maybe not. The raider is what the 320 is perfect for. I don’t have any desire to get a 385. Nothing there that wows me |
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Originally Posted By STJ: Yes their guns are questionable, but their optics are pretty good. Originally Posted By STJ: Originally Posted By craig24680: I'd trust a wet fart after a drunken night of Taco bell more than ANYTHING sig I’m saying the opposite, my sig pistols have not had issues. My sig msr gen 1 took a shit with almost zero use over a few years. They did replace it for free with a gen 2 which is now on my raider. It’s been fine so far. My sig Romeo pro 1 red dot is off from poi now and won’t adjust anymore to correct. Again, not a lot of use on that but I have had it for like 5 years. Just my experience and I am sure they do have good optics out there |
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Originally Posted By LV1976: If you're asking does it use a scaled up P365 FCU, no. Supposedly. Originally Posted By LV1976: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: So its a P365 that uses P320 mags? If you're asking does it use a scaled up P365 FCU, no. Supposedly. Technically, they don't have to change a lot to call it "new." And I expect that's what's been done here. I don't know when these guns ship, but it's going to be fun to pop the slide off one and see what they did. |
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Originally Posted By DriftingArmed: Safe to say they are going to end the p320 quietly and go to the 385. It won’t be long before every gun tuber has a 385 on their channel praising how great it is. It will also be said by a bunch that bashed sig prior. I have a 320. Two actually. I like them. Used to carry them. One is now a flux raider for a car gun. Other is a m18 in the safe. I don’t get all caught up in the stuff about them being unsafe. Maybe they are or maybe not. The raider is what the 320 is perfect for. I don’t have any desire to get a 385. Nothing there that wows me Thats kind of where I'm at. One more plastic pistol in a sea of plastic pistols. |
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they actually have some interesting stuff... The 385 is a refinement of the 365 which is a refinement of the 320,which is a refinement of the 250... should be decent.. The Polymer framed 211 is somewhat interesting... they nailed the 211. The 6.8 piston AR is interesting but i would not buy it do to combat ammo cost. Optics.... nothing game changing.... ill probably beta test a 385 mach3d. |
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Originally Posted By mustangduckk: They make factory drop in threaded barrels. Originally Posted By mustangduckk: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: … Unfortunately, they still aren't making P226/P229s with threaded barrels. … They make factory drop in threaded barrels. Sure. For $230 extra. Meanwhile, all their competitors are selling threaded barrel guns from the factory. |
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Originally Posted By DriftingArmed: Safe to say they are going to end the p320 quietly and go to the 385. It won’t be long before every gun tuber has a 385 on their channel praising how great it is. It will also be said by a bunch that bashed sig prior. I have a 320. Two actually. I like them. Used to carry them. One is now a flux raider for a car gun. Other is a m18 in the safe. I don’t get all caught up in the stuff about them being unsafe. Maybe they are or maybe not. The raider is what the 320 is perfect for. I don’t have any desire to get a 385. Nothing there that wows me people like the 365, so why wouldnt people like the product improved version of it... |
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Originally Posted By FRT: Until they announce plans to allow P320 owners to trade-in P320s toward P385s, they can keep the P385 and shove it up their ass. |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Technically, they don't have to change a lot to call it "new." And I expect that's what's been done here. I don't know when these guns ship, but it's going to be fun to pop the slide off one and see what they did. Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By LV1976: Originally Posted By lil_Sig: So its a P365 that uses P320 mags? If you're asking does it use a scaled up P365 FCU, no. Supposedly. Technically, they don't have to change a lot to call it "new." And I expect that's what's been done here. I don't know when these guns ship, but it's going to be fun to pop the slide off one and see what they did. Yeah, we'll know for sure then. |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Technically, they don't have to change a lot to call it "new." And I expect that's what's been done here. I don't know when these guns ship, but it's going to be fun to pop the slide off one and see what they did. 
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Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: they actually have some interesting stuff... The 385 is a refinement of the 365 which is a refinement of the 320,which is a refinement of the 250... should be decent.. The Polymer framed 211 is somewhat interesting... they nailed the 211. The 6.8 piston AR is interesting but i would not buy it do to combat ammo cost. Optics.... nothing game changing.... ill probably beta test a 385 mach3d. The 365 isn't a refinement of the P320. There are some external visual similarities, but internally, they're completely different guns. If the XRAY5 optic works as designed, that's going to be pretty damn game changing. That solid state design is the biggest change in pistol optics going back to when ruggedized pistol optics for duty use were introduced, and maybe even before that depending upon one's perspective. |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: The 365 isn't a refinement of the P320. There are some external visual similarities, but internally, they're completely different guns. If the XRAY5 optic works as designed, that's going to be pretty damn game changing. That solid state design is the biggest change in pistol optics going back to when ruggedized pistol optics for duty use were introduced, and maybe even before that depending upon one's perspective. So no adjustment click wheels? That is interesting. |
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Originally Posted By macman37: They need a trade in/trade up program. I have a solid stash of P320 mags still. There's 3.5M+ P320s in circulation. Offering a trade-in program wouldn't make sense in simple terms, and doing so would likely fuel the lawsuits against them making it a double whammy. They also launched one new configuration of the P320 (Nightshift) and the M17 (SOF). Maybe they actually think there's demand for that, or maybe that's a strategic choice to control narratives about the P320 and the P385's launch in relation to the P320. |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: There's 3.5M+ P320s in circulation. Offering a trade-in program wouldn't make sense in simple terms, and doing so would likely fuel the lawsuits against them making it a double whammy. They also launched one new configuration of the P320 (Nightshift) and the M17 (SOF). Maybe they actually think there's demand for that, or maybe that's a strategic choice to control narratives about the P320 and the P385's launch in relation to the P320. Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By macman37: They need a trade in/trade up program. I have a solid stash of P320 mags still. There's 3.5M+ P320s in circulation. Offering a trade-in program wouldn't make sense in simple terms, and doing so would likely fuel the lawsuits against them making it a double whammy. They also launched one new configuration of the P320 (Nightshift) and the M17 (SOF). Maybe they actually think there's demand for that, or maybe that's a strategic choice to control narratives about the P320 and the P385's launch in relation to the P320. ‘Aight |
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Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: they actually have some interesting stuff... The 385 is a refinement of the 365 which is a refinement of the 320,which is a refinement of the 250... should be decent.. The Polymer framed 211 is somewhat interesting... they nailed the 211. The 6.8 piston AR is interesting but i would not buy it do to combat ammo cost. Optics.... nothing game changing.... ill probably beta test a 385 mach3d. Which may mean Flux is probably already working on a chassis for the 385 Glock still doesn't have a factory built in brace model yet... The 385 with a Flux would convince me to try one. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: It's not a simple scale up, but there's a lot of what looks like inspiration taken from the 365 FCU to me. It's definitely more of an evolution from the 365 than it is from the 320. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/35j6jm-3831664.png Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Technically, they don't have to change a lot to call it "new." And I expect that's what's been done here. I don't know when these guns ship, but it's going to be fun to pop the slide off one and see what they did. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/157876/35j6jm-3831664.png That actually looks like there’s some quality to it versus the stampings and pot metal castings of the 320 FCU. |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: The 365 isn't a refinement of the P320. There are some external visual similarities, but internally, they're completely different guns. If the XRAY5 optic works as designed, that's going to be pretty damn game changing. That solid state design is the biggest change in pistol optics going back to when ruggedized pistol optics for duty use were introduced, and maybe even before that depending upon one's perspective. you are correct... i was just saying in terms of a product improved fcu guns.. the 250 was terrible, the 320 has significant issues that it was never able to shake. the 365 from all accounts is a decent pistol, and the 385 looks to continue that trend... |
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Originally Posted By Dissident: That actually looks like there’s some quality to it versus the stampings and pot metal castings of the 320 FCU. its almost like the 320 was a first gen fcu engineered in 2007 and the current engineering team said, we are not not doing that shit again... |
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Originally Posted By macman37: ‘Aight Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By macman37: They need a trade in/trade up program. I have a solid stash of P320 mags still. There's 3.5M+ P320s in circulation. Offering a trade-in program wouldn't make sense in simple terms, and doing so would likely fuel the lawsuits against them making it a double whammy. They also launched one new configuration of the P320 (Nightshift) and the M17 (SOF). Maybe they actually think there's demand for that, or maybe that's a strategic choice to control narratives about the P320 and the P385's launch in relation to the P320. ‘Aight I'm just being pragmatic here. I don't think there's any realistic scenario in which Sig can publicly accept responsibility or try to make things right while continuing to survive as a company. There's too much liability. Beyond the existing cases, if Sig opens themselves up to that liability, they'd be presumed guilty for every AD/ND/UD event that ever happens with a P320 pistol no matter the cause, and each of those would come with a 7-9 figure judgement. Their choices are to continue delicately dancing around and managing the issue until it slowly fades away or to go bankrupt. There is no middle option. If you're mad about having an expensive paper weight in the safe, that's completely understandable. The good news is, there are non-Sig firearms on the market that use P320 magazines if you want to use those magazines without giving Sig more of your money. |
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Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter: This. SIG has been steadily rolling downhill since the 250. is that accurate, the 210, is very good, the 22X line is very good, the 211 line is very good, people really like the 365 line as well as there optics. the mcx and 320 are kind of retarded but sig makes some solid stuff. |
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Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: is that accurate, the 210, is very good, the 22X line is very good, the 211 line is very good, people really like the 365 line as well as there optics. the mcx and 320 are kind of retarded but sig makes some solid stuff. Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter: This. SIG has been steadily rolling downhill since the 250. is that accurate, the 210, is very good, the 22X line is very good, the 211 line is very good, people really like the 365 line as well as there optics. the mcx and 320 are kind of retarded but sig makes some solid stuff. It’s not accurate at all. It was a stupid statement that clearly was made due to hating sig for whatever band wagon thought. Sig has grown since the 250 pistol a lot. Not saying they are the best but it’s a fact that they have gone somewhere but not downhill |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: I'm just being pragmatic here. I don't think there's any realistic scenario in which Sig can publicly accept responsibility or try to make things right while continuing to survive as a company. There's too much liability. Beyond the existing cases, if Sig opens themselves up to that liability, they'd be presumed guilty for every AD/ND/UD event that ever happens with a P320 pistol no matter the cause, and each of those would come with a 7-9 figure judgement. Their choices are to continue delicately dancing around and managing the issue until it slowly fades away or to go bankrupt. There is no middle option. If you're mad about having an expensive paper weight in the safe, that's completely understandable. The good news is, there are non-Sig firearms on the market that use P320 magazines if you want to use those magazines without giving Sig more of your money. Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By macman37: They need a trade in/trade up program. I have a solid stash of P320 mags still. There's 3.5M+ P320s in circulation. Offering a trade-in program wouldn't make sense in simple terms, and doing so would likely fuel the lawsuits against them making it a double whammy. They also launched one new configuration of the P320 (Nightshift) and the M17 (SOF). Maybe they actually think there's demand for that, or maybe that's a strategic choice to control narratives about the P320 and the P385's launch in relation to the P320. ‘Aight I'm just being pragmatic here. I don't think there's any realistic scenario in which Sig can publicly accept responsibility or try to make things right while continuing to survive as a company. There's too much liability. Beyond the existing cases, if Sig opens themselves up to that liability, they'd be presumed guilty for every AD/ND/UD event that ever happens with a P320 pistol no matter the cause, and each of those would come with a 7-9 figure judgement. Their choices are to continue delicately dancing around and managing the issue until it slowly fades away or to go bankrupt. There is no middle option. If you're mad about having an expensive paper weight in the safe, that's completely understandable. The good news is, there are non-Sig firearms on the market that use P320 magazines if you want to use those magazines without giving Sig more of your money. I expressed an opinion. You expressed one. That’s what we’re here for. It’s all good. I’m looking at their corporate reputation vs. what I have in the safe. I have other Sigs that are great - 226, 228. I was just saying I’d take a look at a 385 if they had a trade up program. |
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Well if they are using a modified P365 FCU and have figured out why the trigger return spring breaks early. Maybe they will have a winner on their hands. If they sell it as a life style fuck them. That's proof they have not changed. You guys who are going to jump on this just remember the P365 will become a shake awake gun with high round counts. Hopefully this model will work with no problems. |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Sure. For $230 extra. Meanwhile, all their competitors are selling threaded barrel guns from the factory. Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By mustangduckk: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Unfortunately, they still aren't making P226/P229s with threaded barrels. They make factory drop in threaded barrels. Sure. For $230 extra. Meanwhile, all their competitors are selling threaded barrel guns from the factory. What "competitors" are selling 40+ year old DA/SA metal framed guns (besides Beretta)? |
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Originally Posted By macman37: They need a trade in/trade up program. I have a solid stash of P320 mags still. They expected people to jump on the P211 bandwagon. That obviously didn't happen, so this is Plan B. The PSA AXR S will be able to take P320 magazines along with Gen3 Glock slides, so they can piss off two completely different fanbases  |
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Originally Posted By DriftingArmed: It’s not accurate at all. It was a stupid statement that clearly was made due to hating sig for whatever band wagon thought. Sig has grown since the 250 pistol a lot. Not saying they are the best but it’s a fact that they have gone somewhere but not downhill Originally Posted By DriftingArmed: Originally Posted By ShaggyNuckles: Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter: This. SIG has been steadily rolling downhill since the 250. is that accurate, the 210, is very good, the 22X line is very good, the 211 line is very good, people really like the 365 line as well as there optics. the mcx and 320 are kind of retarded but sig makes some solid stuff. It’s not accurate at all. It was a stupid statement that clearly was made due to hating sig for whatever band wagon thought. Sig has grown since the 250 pistol a lot. Not saying they are the best but it’s a fact that they have gone somewhere but not downhill P250 was improved to the point that it worked, and had a 99.99999999% reliable trigger. It was when SIG tried to improve that number just a little bit in the P320 that SIG went downhill. Hopefully the P385 is the upswing:  New sig and some questions |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: P250 was improved to the point that it worked, and had a 99.99999999% reliable trigger. It was when SIG tried to improve that number just a little bit in the P320 that SIG went downhill. Hopefully the P385 is the upswing:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff_ciqi5jNsif the 385 is the upswing, what was the 365 and 211. |