Rosey revival. Now with moar '87! (Page 2 of 3)
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Originally Posted By ARHank: My dream Buick was always a white one with the color match bumper option. Kind of the anti-grand national. Attached File https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/001-1987-turbo-buick_jpg-2538960.JPG The older I get the more I like the chrome but I still like white. I found one like this that we just couldn't come together on price. Of course nowadays, the price would be considered a steal. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/1987-buick-regal-t-type_jpg-2538963.JPG I almost threw out an @Spaceboy when I started this thread. You showed me the light with the "new school" obd1 tech, some time back. Nothing like reading live data from your '87 K5 off your cell phone.  
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: That would be a 1974 Hurst Olds. Some upgrades over the 442 and worth considerably more. Interesting fact most don't know. The 84' Hurst Olds and 85-87 442 along with the 84-87 Buick turbo cars were the only G-Bodies to get the 8.5" rear end. The 8.5" rear exists because of a 1982 developed 5 speed Olds concept that got axed last minute in 1984. The only reason Olds still got the 8.5" was because the Cutlass was supposed to be the blacked out specialty car, not the GN. The FE3X Cutlass concept looked like a GNX and was the first ready for production car GM made to hold over 1G on the skid pad. GM decided they wanted a car to go fast in a straight line instead of a road course so they amped up the 3.8 with an inter cooler and gave Buick the black out treatment instead. They even gave Buick the "X" too. https://i.ibb.co/0Q8YmqN/9-B913-A05-0-FB3-4-D63-A8-EB-94-E172188-A5-D.jpg Yes, Hurst Olds 442 with the pace car package and a W30. It's a pretty rare car. If I remember correctly there were less than 2k built and only a few hundred with the W30. |
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Originally Posted By jwb211: I always loved G body cars. T types were awesome sleepers. I can’t remember but isn’t 87 the first year of the cooler? 1986. 1982 was the first Grand National mostly with a carb’d NA V6 and two tone grey paint job. Very few had the turbo package. 1984 introduced the sequential fuel injection and the turbo came standard. This was when they went black and got the 8.5” rear. 1986 introduced the intercooler. 1987 was the last year of the G-Body Grand National, and only year for the GNX. The non GN turbo Regals got the same schedule for the intercooler, fuel injection, and rear end. |
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Originally Posted By icemann0: I sold Buicks in New Orleans and all anybody wanted to see was a loaded "Duece and a Quarter" (Electra 225) or a "Ravara" (Rivera) so I had several Regal Turbo's for my daily demo. Hell of a lot of fun. I always wanted a blacked out FBI version with the go fast chip |
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Originally Posted By jwb211: I always loved G body cars. T types were awesome sleepers. I can't remember but isn't 87 the first year of the cooler? |
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Originally Posted By ARHank: I think '86 was the first year for an intercooler. '87 was the last year until the powerplant was revived in '89 for the Turbo Trans Am. Another bad car that didn't get traction. "Naw man. I want the V8! Your not charging me that much for no V6! Who wants a V6 trans Am?" Awesome cars. And props for not thinking the Syclone had the GN’s 3.8 in it.  I was even a fan of the series II Pontiac GTP cars. They were kinda junk but still kinda cool considering everything else of the time. |
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: Awesome cars. And props for not thinking the Syclone had the GN's 3.8 in it. I was even a fan of the series II Pontiac GTP cars. They were kinda junk but still kinda cool considering everything else of the time. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By ARHank: Hey now! My daily driver is a '97 and my wife's is a '00. They're quite possibly the greatest cars GM ever produced. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/IMG_20210320_102523205_HDR_2_jpg-2562348.JPG I’ve fixed so many door panels and window motors on them I could puke haha. But they are awesome cars. |
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I've done at least 87 regulators in my two GTPs. I used to have a broom handle notched and cut to length. When one goes out I can jam it in there until I can get the part. Other than the shitty regulators, they're pretty reliable cars. The typhoons and cyclones we're cool cars. I never owned one but I had a good customer that did. I did have a 97 GMC C1500 with the 4.3 that I supercharged with a Paxton style blower. It was pretty awesome. Not only was it faster than a stock V8, I got crazy fuel economy. If I could keep my foot out of it, I would get over 600 miles to a tank. |
| So, another delay(s). The tank came in Sunday afternoon. I started putting the pump in and decided to proactively replace the cheap looking hose with a section of high dollar R10 hose. We'll, I snapped the nipple off the pump. What a dumbass. No biggie, I'll order another. It comes in and has a different casting number. Fe0115 vs the 0039. Down the rabbit hole. Amazon's catalog is wrong. 18 psi vs 50. FML. The new, new replacement should be here by the weekend. |
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Finally some progress. Had the pump and tank assembly ready to go in and figured it was a good time to clean out the lines. Attached File I pulled the fuel filter and the fuel rail. The injectors were nasty. Attached File Attached File Then I flushed the fuel lines with carb cleaner and blew them out with air. I cleaned the fuel rail and installed new 60# injectors. Attached File Attached File I left the regulator off so I can flush the system a little more before I try and fire it. I want to make sure I get all the crap out of there. I've got the tank back in but I still need to cinch down the straps and put in a fuel filter in. I'll need to swap the PROM since we're running smaller injectors. Put some gas in it, check the plugs and we're ready to fire. Hopefully she'll make some noise tomorrow. @brass my thread is pretty lame compared to the others but you're welcome to follow along. |
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Originally Posted By ARHank: @brass my thread is pretty lame compared to the others but you're welcome to follow along. I'm following this now. Not many can keep up with that other one, it's gone speedy fast. |
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Cinched up the tank and went to put the cap on. Attached File Mother fucker. I tried adjusting the tank the best I could then transferred to the BFH and a block of wood. Attached File That's better. |
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A turbo Buick's PCM lives a very different life than that of square. It spends a lot of it's life lounging on the floorboard. Attached File I swapped out the Electronic Programmable Read Only (EPROM or PROM) with one with perimeters for the smaller injectors. Attached File Attached File |
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Thank you sir. I pulled the plugs and put a drop of EOS in each hole. The plugs looked like new so I put them back. I thought she'd be running on Sunday but the new pump wouldn't kick on. WTF?!?! So I head down the rabbit hole. I am pretty familiar with GM vehicles of this era but Rosey has some extras. There is a "hot wire" kit installed. Which is a secondary relay with direct battery power that bypasses the factory power supply. I chased all the wiring around and also came across a super secret kill switch hidden in an undisclosed location. After tracing the 87' of wiring I located this: Attached File Now the fuel pump is making pumping noises. So that's good. The bad news is that the battery is so dead I can't even jump it. It trys to turn over but there's just not enough juice. Date code on the battery is 2014. I'll have to pick one up next time I'm at Costco. |
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Originally Posted By ARHank: Thank you sir. I pulled the plugs and put a drop of EOS in each hole. The plugs looked like new so I put them back. I thought she'd be running on Sunday but the new pump wouldn't kick on. WTF?!?! So I head down the rabbit hole. I am pretty familiar with GM vehicles of this era but Rosey has some extras. There is a "hot wire" kit installed. Which is a secondary relay with direct battery power that bypasses the factory power supply. I chased all the wiring around and also came across a super secret kill switch hidden in an undisclosed location. After tracing the 87' of wiring I located this: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/IMG_20221023_134334716_HDR_jpg-2576376.JPG Now the fuel pump is making pumping noises. So that's good. The bad news is that the battery is so dead I can't even jump it. It trys to turn over but there's just not enough juice. Date code on the battery is 2014. I'll have to pick one up next time I'm at Costco. |
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Originally Posted By Slingblade2006: Great thread. Have you ever had to pull or rebuild the motor? Wondering how often a v6 block would need bored/new rings? |
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I had a T Type but it was the 1985 Riviera T type. Awesome car but the front wheel drive and weight made it a little funky. Only issue ls were a cracked header in the early 1990s that had to be repaired there were no oem or aftermarket I could find and it ate turbos for some reason I can’t recall but had two in 100k miles I think. Love your project!! |
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Well, I hate to disappoint but I ran up North to visit my son at school today. I probably won't have time to play with the Buick this weekend. Here's a video to tide you over. I like watching this guy. He gets a lot of old metal rolling again. He's not doing any full restorations or custom builds. He just finds old junk cars and breathes a little life into them.  Will It RUN AND DRIVE after 20+ years? Turbo Buick Grand National! |
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Originally Posted By svt40: This thread really makes me miss my 1987 Turbocoupe. I had an 89’ Supercoupe I regret selling. Sent it to the junk yard after the brakes went out and couldn’t figure out why. Learned later it was just an ignition relay. Learned even later I could have gotten 5X what the junkyard gave me just for the supercharger. Young and dumb. 
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: I had an 89’ Supercoupe I regret selling. Sent it to the junk yard after the brakes went out and couldn’t figure out why. Learned later it was just an ignition relay. Learned even later I could have gotten 5X what the junkyard gave me just for the supercharger. Young and dumb. Attached File |
| Very cool! Growing up in Buicks, I've got a soft spot in my heart for the T-Types / GN / GNX!! Never owned one but got my butt kicked multiple times by them back when I had a 5.0 (it was apparently faster...but they were faster LOL!). They were such amazingly plush sleeper cars. |
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: I had an 89’ Supercoupe I regret selling. Sent it to the junk yard after the brakes went out and couldn’t figure out why. Learned later it was just an ignition relay. Learned even later I could have gotten 5X what the junkyard gave me just for the supercharger. Young and dumb. Ouch! I gave up my 1989 Isuzu Impulse Turbo because the o-ring on the back of the A/C compressor failed and was no longer available. I went through thousands of o-rings at work and could not find anything that would work. It was some weird figure 8 shaped thing with an aluminum plate in the middle of it. |
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Originally Posted By ARHank: A turbo Buick's PCM lives a very different life than that of square. It spends a lot of it's life lounging on the floorboard. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/IMG_20221023_110141913_jpg-2573567.JPG I swapped out the Electronic Programmable Read Only (EPROM or PROM) with one with perimeters for the smaller injectors. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/IMG_20221023_110147203_jpg-2573571.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/155324/IMG_20221023_110244247_jpg-2573572.JPG You could maybe make a some people in certain circles happy by getting an EPROM programmer just to read out the .HEX File of each PROM so others can write an EPROM with the parameters already decided instead of fiddling with it. You wouldn't change the program, just get the data off each chip and put it back and no harm/changes done (especially since it looks to be old style PROM which needs UV-C light to erase through a window that is blocked out by the sticker label, newer ones are EPROM and EEPROM which can be erased and modified without erasing, no UV needed but they can be drop in replacements for those as they're standard layout "map" for the .hex data, back then not encrypted as new trucks are today to discourage the tuner crowds. There's a lot more user friendly tools and aftermarket ECUs now which you can tune with your Phone and any number of options, just make sure the engine is solid with good bearings/oil pressure and no other issues. There's enough of those old school swap out ECUs with programmed PROMS in the wild to make it worth it. Just something to rip then share on dropbox or something and post the link along with the brand and model number of your tuner(s) it's used in/for. Seems you've got three going on there, one must be for reading out current measurements while running to keep it in "safe zone", one for injectors/engine and the other as a boost controller (if they had electronic variable pop off valves back then? How many of these do you own, I see above you got that 442 as well. This collecting business can easily explain why this build thread is at a slightly slower pace than somebody going balls out on one for a couple months. |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By brass: You could maybe make a some people in certain circles happy by getting an EPROM programmer just to read out the .HEX File of each PROM so others can write an EPROM with the parameters already decided instead of fiddling with it. You wouldn't change the program, just get the data off each chip and put it back and no harm/changes done (especially since it looks to be old style PROM which needs UV-C light to erase through a window that is blocked out by the sticker label, newer ones are EPROM and EEPROM which can be erased and modified without erasing, no UV needed but they can be drop in replacements for those as they're standard layout "map" for the .hex data, back then not encrypted as new trucks are today to discourage the tuner crowds. There's a lot more user friendly tools and aftermarket ECUs now which you can tune with your Phone and any number of options, just make sure the engine is solid with good bearings/oil pressure and no other issues. There's enough of those old school swap out ECUs with programmed PROMS in the wild to make it worth it. Just something to rip then share on dropbox or something and post the link along with the brand and model number of your tuner(s) it's used in/for. Seems you've got three going on there, one must be for reading out current measurements while running to keep it in "safe zone", one for injectors/engine and the other as a boost controller (if they had electronic variable pop off valves back then? How many of these do you own, I see above you got that 442 as well. This collecting business can easily explain why this build thread is at a slightly slower pace than somebody going balls out on one for a couple months. The tune is in the ether. The proms came from a well known turbo Buick guy. I believe they're available on I'm a bit of a collector. I've been a car guy from before I could drive. My step dad got me hooked young. The Hurst Olds is his. I have a few GTPs, a '74 Roadrunner, '70 Duster, '66 Charger, an '87 K5, a couple old Husqvarna dirt bikes and a few regular trucks. My step dad has a lot of old steel. Many Mopars, a Smokey and the Bandit Trans Am, etc. He's collecting tractors now. |
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Originally Posted By ARHank: @spaceboy wasn't there a company out there making replacement ecms with flash memory and USB connectors built in? I can't remember the name and my Google is failing. https://www.dynamicefi.com/ They do mpfi and tbi, I don't know about turbo six stuff but there is also moates. https://www.moates.net/ It's been a while since I've messed with OBD1 stuff but hopefully this is what you're looking for. The dynamic efi is the one that does USB stuff I think. |
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Originally Posted By Spaceboy: https://www.dynamicefi.com/ They do mpfi and tbi, I don't know about turbo six stuff but there is also moates. https://www.moates.net/ It's been a while since I've messed with OBD1 stuff but hopefully this is what you're looking for. The dynamic efi is the one that does USB stuff I think. Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By Slingblade2006: Sounds awesome. Like a jet engine. Are you planning anything like drag and drives? I might do the Buick Grand Nationals. That was the last time she was at the track. There's nothing like hanging out with a couple hundred turbo Buicks. Stopping at the gas station and being asked, "What's with all the black Monte Carlos?" |
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An intercooled turbo regal has been one of my bucket list cars since I rode in one when I was 15. Some day, hopefully. ETA: if you have an interest in these cars look up a documentary called "Black Air". It's pretty neat. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By MallNinja531: An intercooled turbo regal has been one of my bucket list cars since I rode in one when I was 15. Some day, hopefully. ETA: if you have an interest in these cars look up a documentary called "Black Air". It's pretty neat. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/505993/MV5BMTk4OTg5NDkzM15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjM2-2607635.JPG  Black Air The Buick Grand National Documentary 720p HD |
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Originally Posted By ARHank: Well, I hate to disappoint but I ran up North to visit my son at school today. I probably won't have time to play with the Buick this weekend. Here's a video to tide you over. I like watching this guy. He gets a lot of old metal rolling again. He's not doing any full restorations or custom builds. He just finds old junk cars and breathes a little life into them.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipc5gcRsU-wreally enjoy his show too...no drama, no thousands of dollars in sponsor parts for free. your car sounds wicked.. |
For fuck's sake. It is possessive. For the sake of fuck.
Pain is temporary, chicks dig scars and legends are forever
Pain is temporary, chicks dig scars and legends are forever
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Originally Posted By Striker: it's got a gas make it happener, lightening hoses, sparkle can... really enjoy his show too...no drama, no thousands of dollars in sponsor parts for free. your car sounds wicked.. Originally Posted By Striker: Originally Posted By ARHank: Well, I hate to disappoint but I ran up North to visit my son at school today. I probably won't have time to play with the Buick this weekend. Here's a video to tide you over. I like watching this guy. He gets a lot of old metal rolling again. He's not doing any full restorations or custom builds. He just finds old junk cars and breathes a little life into them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipc5gcRsU-wreally enjoy his show too...no drama, no thousands of dollars in sponsor parts for free. your car sounds wicked.. Eta I did snap a pic of his truck outside  |
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Originally Posted By Spaceboy: So he's local to me and I actually ran into him at a local diner. I nodded my head and said Mr Beiri. His wife turned around, smiled and waved and he waved. I wanted a pic with him but he was eating lunch and I figured I bothered him enough. Eta I did snap a pic of his truck outside https://i.imgur.com/uDpMki2.jpeg I've been fortunate to be able to get my hands on some pretty cool cars over the years. Some day when I have more time I will do some full restorations but why own them if you don't drive them. All of mine need work but they all run and drive. I could afford a new car but I really enjoy driving my old junk. It's nice not to worry about door dings. It's nice knowing that if you're on a road trip, most any part you may need is available at any parts store. I worked at dealerships and I can tell you, just because your car is new doesn't mean it's more reliable. Yeah they're not always as quick or quite or fuel efficient but I can buy a lot of gas for the cost of that car payment. |
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@ARHank I hope you got all your tuning supplies. http://moates.net/ |