OFFICIAL Flock Cameras Misused or Destroyed Thread (Page 9 of 24)
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 What's Going On With Flock Cameras? We Did A Deep Dive | Ep. 1808 matt walsh makes the "gimme" level mistakes of acting like people aren't talking about any of the cases where mass surveillance / flock cameras are useful for going after people that deserve to be gone after (we have) and then goes over some cases where they reportedly were... All the while missing that "we can use this for your good" justifies - *anything* that can be "used for your good." That dog won't hunt - there are numerous if not an infinite number of things that can be used that way that are abjectly wrong and if you don't care about right or wrong, are even things people don't want. Yes, matt, leftists are arguing against flock for leftist reasons. This is a shock to nobody. Yes matt, anything that touches the internet or the cell network is part of mass surveillance at some varying level. No, matt, flock cameras do not "mainly track vehicles" - they track vehicles, people, and have/had microphones too. The supposedly "only tracks vehicles" cams ID people to - in fact, any camera can be a facial ID and human tracker if you hook it to a computer. SO, matt, if you see this, here's a simple one: If someone has no reasonable evidence that you have done or are doing something criminal, they shouldn't *be allowed* to treat you as a criminal. IDK why matt seems to think pointing out that cell phone tracking is even worse justifies anyone else treating us all like criminals and data-slaves. Yes, if you're opposed to flock cameras because they treat you like criminals for no good reason, you should oppose that everywhere else it occurs. I honestly don't know what he thinks he was arguing against. "you're making it illegal to be a journalist if you ban cameras in public" - DON'T THREATEN ME WITH A GOOD TIME. Good riddance, I say. "If you're going to ban private surveillance" - yeah, I don't know anyone that's proposed that. That's a strawman on fire there. Oh boy, I bet he'd be interested in how private surveillance is or was handled in germany where they have living memory of the commie-stasi state, and they KNOW what the consquences of surveillance ubiquity are. Private surveillance of your private property seems to be kosher - private surveillance of the public world? Pretty well verboten. They learned their lesson the HARD way. Reportedly, they don't even like dashcams on cars. walsh then mentions the case of the flock camera being used to monitor a school during a sale demo as if it's the only legit case against (ignorant of the above). He then makes the mistake of equating "you can't expect privacy in public" with "you can't expect to not be tracked in public." I'd like to roll a newspaper up and smack people in the nose for this one. It's so childish. Again, matt: If you have not done something that deserves you being tracked, you should not BE tracked. This along with: "don't treat people as criminals if you don't have reasonble evidence they ARE criminals and doing crime." Yes matt, the girl on the camera does poses, just like you do the cranky bacon eater and snotty tone. Just like I can do cranky bacon eater and snotty tone to you: "You must love genral writs of assistance, you dirty tory." See, isn't that fun? Red meat, rah-rah. "bad actors can hijack our cellphone data" - with flock and government mass surveillance the bad actors are flock and the government for collecting it in the first place. "if it does more good than harm" - again, if you take that as a standard, you have to use it everywhere it applies equally, and you won't like what that justifies. "safeguards on who can access this stuff when and how and by who" - uh ... we already have that. It doesn't work. It can't. Because the very idea of government (and IMO all private) mass surveillance is wrong. Then he tries to handwave away the wrongs of mass surveillacne by scaring people with mass demographic replacement if we don't surveil everyone. Yeah, his dad needs to beat his butt for that, it's very dumb. Congrats, matt, you looked at leftist arguments against flock and then stuffed your head up your backside - it's embarassing, you can and have done better in the past. You should remove your head from your posterior - annoyed with you, someone who's not against you on everything (or I suspect most things, IDK, I don't stalk you online to know everything you say). |
I watched that Walsh video today and was thoroughly disgusted. I like some of his videos and, depending on the subject, find he's usually pretty level headed, enough so that I've recommended them to some folks, but that video was a complete dumpster fire and I lost whatever respect I had for him. What's even worse is the number of boot licking, utter retards in the comments- a whole lot of folks need to find another country to find home, maybe China. 
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: I watched that Walsh video today and was thoroughly disgusted. I like some of his videos and, depending on the subject, find he's usually pretty level headed, enough so that I've recommended them to some folks, but that video was a complete dumpster fire and I lost whatever respect I had for him. What's even worse is the number of boot licking, utter retards in the comments- a whole lot of folks need to find another country to find home, maybe China. I suspect but have no evidence that he wasn't directed towards the not-raging leftist / not democrat / not libertarian arguments against mass surveillance or flock. I doubt that their supposed deep dive was a deep dive. |
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Ah, another user of the "Don't take no for an answer" flock dating service. https://voiceofoc.org/2026/07/will-costa-mesa-ditch-license-plate-surveillance-cameras-after-cop-stalking-scandal/ Much of the distaste over Flock cameras stems from a stalking scandal involving an officer from the Costa Mesa Police Department. , 35, was accused of using the California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System database beginning in 2023 to make 13 inquiries on people and vehicles not related to his job, including his mistress, someone she dated, and his own wife, according to the Orange County District Attorney’s Office. was also accused of accessing information from Flock cameras and using it to locate his mistress’ vehicle and the vehicles of her romantic interests in order to follow them to their locations. He continued to illegally access data from the Flock cameras in 2024 after he lost his job at the police department, according to the DA’s office, and he used the information to find the address of his mistress’ new boyfriend in Torrance. pleaded guilty in April to three misdemeanors, including unauthorized computer access and fraud related to illegally accessing the police department’s license plate reader system. https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/tracking-alpr-cameras/flock-safety-credibility-lost-as-it-repeatedly-lies-to-city-councils-police-departments-and-public-across-the-country During a city council meeting in a suburb of Wisconsin in April, the city of Oshkosh considered whether it should approve a contract to use automatic license plate readers (ALPR) from Flock Safety, a prominent company that provides ALPRs to law enforcement agencies across the country. During the meeting, one city council member asked Flock if the company’s ALPR system created heat maps that could reveal where a particular vehicle had driven over a period of time. Flock’s chief information security officer, who was in attendance, told the council that Flock’s system did not “create a pattern or heat map of an individual’s movement” through the tracking of their vehicles. At the end of that meeting, the Oshkosh City Council approved a contract with Flock. The very next morning, the city learned that Flock had lied. Later that day, the city council reconvened to discuss what it had learned. Confronting Flock, Oshkosh Deputy Mayor Joe Stephenson said “I don't know how this body can govern if someone tells untruths, mistruths, exaggerated truths. I don't know how I can make a decision or discern what's right or what's wrong, or even the capabilities of this system if you lie to me.” “Shame on them,” Oshkosh Mayor Matt Mugerauer added. “All I'm saying is if you give bad information, then I just don't want to work with you.” Ultimately, the Oshkosh City Council voted to immediately revoke its approval, thereby setting a record for the shortest time between a city approving and cancelling a Flock contract: one day. Flock later admitted that its ALPR system does indeed produce a “heat map” that shows where “point-in-time images have been captured of a vehicle” for up to an entire month. However, the company chose to respond to the revocation of its contract by attacking the City of Oshkosh and its city council, complaining that Flock had “not [been] afforded the opportunity” to explain its lie after being caught. Flock also sought to trivialize its factually inaccurate statement by categorizing it as “one small misconception” and referring to the dispute over the system’s heat map tracking feature as “a minor nuance.” |
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Spike@spikesguides 8h The type of machines that hunted insurgents in Afghanistan are now parked on a rooftop in your city and Flock just boasted about it. They launch themselves. They are fully autonomous. And used here to hunt and detain an innocent man. Skydio drones. Skydio advertises itself as a service that provides "drones as a first responder" or DFR for short. Drones are kept inside weather proof, ruggedized docks strategically placed throughout the city on rooftops, police stations, and fire stations. Skydio drones are autonomously released after a 911 call or a dispatch order is put through. Within 30 seconds the unit is airborne and sent to the site of the call. Once on scene, officers can access camera feeds or take control of the units themselves. The claim is that these units provide valuable intelligence to officers in real time at angles they otherwise wouldn't have. Not too dissimilar from UAS systems during the GWOT. At face value Skydio doesn't sound terrible. The company really likes talking up officer safety but there is so much more lurking beneath the surface. Beginning with their autonomy, Skydio drones can do more than activate upon a call. They can be issued patrol routes to follow at specific times, leaving open the ability to have an eye in the sky at all times. It operates autonomously and dynamically rather than following a prewritten flight plan. Operators can then order the drone to follow or track specific people or vehicles. Through use of machine vision and predictive algorithms, Skydio drones can follow individuals and vehicles that are obfuscated by cover such as bridges and trees. Drones can also be activated by more systems than just dispatch orders and 911 calls. In fact, they boast about their ability to work in conjunction with other companies' systems such as Flock cameras, Shotspotter detectors, and RTCCs such as Axon Fusus real-time intelligence system (the real nerve centers of modern "policing"). A realistic activation and use protocol would look like the following: 1. Flock camera detects vehicle suspected of being associated with a crime (lets say felony larceny) 2. An operator at the RTCC sees the report from Flock and identifies the vehicle visually. 3. The operators makes use of private and public cameras associated with the network to follow the vehicle in real time 4. Skydio drone is activated by the Flock alert and is airborne within 30 seconds 5. Skydio drone locates and begins autonomously following the vehicle 6. Officers arrive on scene Until step 6, everything was done via computer vision and autonomous systems. Beyond standard vision, Skydio drones also have thermal optics, allowing vision in night or making it impossible to hide behind certain pieces of cover. Skydio drones are as close to military UAS systems as you can get in functionality, just shy of missiles. On paper this might sound great. Criminals can't hide and they get seen early and often. Others might say this feels like an even more dangerous step towards an authoritarian police state. For instance, the city of San Francisco accidentally made all of their Skydio drone footage available to the public. Clips featured drones surveilling areas and locking in on individuals going about their daily lives. In some cases people were sitting in solitude on rooftops, other times they are going to the park to play basketball. Citizens are not criminals. They are citizens. Not civilians. Citizens. With rights. A drone can plausibly follow anyone at any time and through the use of these AI systems, targets can be passed between drones, allowing constant surveillance. It doesn't take a genius to see the potential for abuse. In this case, in response to a self defense shooting a victim of a crime was tracked by autonomous systems like an animal and detained by police for defending his own life. Every day we see new violations of privacy from police departments across the country and we need to draw attention to all of these systems and stop their use while we still can. These companies are selling our governments the shackles to enslave us forever and we need to nip this in the bud while there is still time. This tweet is unavailable Jul 21, 2026 · 4:34 PM UTC Spike @spikesguides 5h Update. Flock deleted the post. I don't have an archive but here is a screenshot of part of it. Do not let them bury this message. |
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Just seen this. Colorado Flock camera stolen in Avon, Facebook celebrates and town faces several thousands in damages A post from the Avon Police Department received more than 17,000 comments in 48 hours If the Avon Police Department had a nickel for every comment it received on a recent post detailing the destruction of cameras in town, it would nearly have enough to pay for one of the $1,000 camera poles. On Saturday morning, two automated speed enforcement camera poles on Avon Road were destroyed, one speed camera was stolen, a light pole was destroyed and a Flock license plate reader camera mounted at that location was stolen. The light pole replacement is expected to cost the town about $6,500, the speed camera poles will cost an estimated $1,000 apiece; the Flock camera will cost $2,500 and the speed camera will cost $5,000, labor not included.  |
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Related enough to post: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/what-fog-data-science-why-surveillance-company-so-dangerous What is Fog Data Science? Fog Data Science is a company that purchases raw geolocation data originally collected by applications people use every day on their smartphones and tablets. Those applications gather location data about where your phone is at any given moment and sell it to data brokers, who in turn sell it most often to advertisers or marketers who try to serve you ads based on your location. That’s where Fog swoops in. According to documents created by the company, Fog purchases “billions of data points” from some “250 million devices” around the United States, originally sourced from “tens of thousands” of mobile apps. Then, for a subscription fee that many law enforcement agencies are happy to pay, Fog provides access to a massive, searchable database of where people are located. This means that police can open up their Fog map and do a number of things. They can draw a box and see identifiers representing every device within that geographical area at a given time frame. They can also use a device’s ID to trace that device’s precise location history over months or even years. Fog does not require police officers to obtain a warrant or other court order before acquiring this location data (unlike communication service companies that hold their customers’ location data and generally do require a court order). Likewise, many police departments that use Fog do not require their officers to get a warrant. This means that police, sometimes without a warrant, have the ability to track the precise movements of hundreds of millions of Americans as they go about their day. This is mass surveillance, often with no judicial oversight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_Reveal FOG Data Science FOG Data Science is a limited liability company based in Virginia. It was founded in 2016 by two former United States Department of Homeland Security officials. Matthew Broderick, managing partner at the company, was director of operations for the DHS from 2005 to 2006.[1][2] Functionality FOG Data Science purchases commercially available location data from Virginia-based company Venntel,[3] collected from hundreds of mobile apps that sell information on user interests and movements, including the apps of Starbucks and Waze.[1] The information is derived from advertising IDs, unique user IDs assigned to mobile devices allowing advertisers to track people's movements, habits, and usage of apps.[1][2][4][5][6] Subscriptions to the service cost at least $7,500 per year. While the data is anonymized, officials have commented that competent law enforcement could use the information to identify individuals. According to FOG Data Science partner Matthew Broderick, their historical data profiles go back three years.[1] Use by law enforcement Fog Reveal is used by local, state and federal law enforcement agencies in the United States, since at least 2018. Flock in your pocket. Useful, actionable info. You can choose to turn off data streams and at least be informed. Private industry makes big bucks off all the kinds of inetntional and unintentional data your phones give off; the government just piggybacks onto that. |
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https://www.404media.co/flock-objects-to-our-removing-their-equipment-emails-reveal-why-a-town-put-bags-over-its-flock-cameras/ For weeks, Verona, Wisconsin tried to get Flock to remove the three automated license plate cameras that its city council had voted to stop using. Flock told city employees not to remove the cameras, and a Flock employee told city officials that they were unsure whether the cameras could be remotely disabled, which led the town to decide to put black plastic trash bags over them until Flock eventually removed the cameras itself, according to emails obtained using a public records request by 404 Media. The emails give insight into the process cities face while deFlocking themselves after voting not to renew a contract with the AI surveillance company. As we’ve previously reported, multiple cities around the country have decided to put black trash bags over their Flock cameras while they wait for them to be removed; this is in part because, until the cameras are physically removed by Flock, cities are unsure whether they have the legal right to remove the cameras themselves and are not sure whether they can disable their recording operations. The emails show Verona city officials telling each other that they had made multiple requests to Flock to have the cameras removed, and show a work order from Flock in which the cameras were set to have maintenance performed on them rather than being removed. https://wisconsinexaminer.com/2026/02/02/verona-expected-to-begin-work-to-removing-flock-cameras/ A lack of public trust not in the police department, but in the company Flock Safety, fueled the decision. Despite the Verona Common Council vote last fall not to renew the city’s contract with Flock, and the contract lapsing in December, the cameras have remained in place. Mayor Luke Diaz said the police department had made several requests to Flock for the cameras to be removed. “They weren’t removing them,” Diaz told the Wisconsin Examiner. “We kind of looked at the contract, talked it over amongst staff, and the thing we felt most comfortable with was just covering them so they could stop spying on people.” “I’m 100% certain that they were still working,” Diaz said, adding that some other communities have had similar experiences with Flock refusing to remove unwanted cameras. “It could have been an accident, it could have been an oversight on their part, but I think it was deliberate,” Diaz told the Examiner.“Because I think that they want to keep the cameras up, whether they have permission or not.” |
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Originally Posted By realwar:
 For those who haven't clicked or can't play the video, on the back of the box with the batteries on trailer there's a flock cam built into a recess. Connecting an internet connected plate reading car tracking people tracking camera to the back of a radar detector at the roadside. Yeah, for sure, this isn't a trend towards revenue enhancment, NO-SIR. God help anyone that gets in a DV situation with a LEO spouse or anyone else that has access to these things. |
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Originally Posted By lygxis: https://pbs.twimg.com/amplify_video_thumb/2079980984263438336/img/35XbVbIgb4MPTrZO.jpg?name=orig For those who haven't clicked or can't play the video, on the back of the box with the batteries on trailer there's a flock cam built into a recess. Connecting an internet connected plate reading car tracking people tracking camera to the back of a radar detector at the roadside. Yeah, for sure, this isn't a trend towards revenue enhancment, NO-SIR. God help anyone that gets in a DV situation with a LEO spouse or anyone else that has access to these things. Originally Posted By lygxis: Originally Posted By realwar:
https://pbs.twimg.com/amplify_video_thumb/2079980984263438336/img/35XbVbIgb4MPTrZO.jpg?name=orig For those who haven't clicked or can't play the video, on the back of the box with the batteries on trailer there's a flock cam built into a recess. Connecting an internet connected plate reading car tracking people tracking camera to the back of a radar detector at the roadside. Yeah, for sure, this isn't a trend towards revenue enhancment, NO-SIR. God help anyone that gets in a DV situation with a LEO spouse or anyone else that has access to these things. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By realwar:
Flockhopper is a new one to me, hadn't heard of it before. An app noted in the comments that lets you plan your route around known cameras, pretty pointless if you're using your phone as a GPS, but I guess a least flock isn't the company collecting your data. Needs a campaign or real estate sign in front of the camera that's obviously been retrofitted into that trailer. |
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Originally Posted By zaskar017: $$$ Everything revolves around $$$ Originally Posted By zaskar017: Originally Posted By M4-AK: The big question... What's in this for Flock? $$$ Everything revolves around $$$ Flock employees may actually be clinically retarded enough to think they really are enhancing safety, or their doing some rights justifies the wrongs they are doing. Given the utterly vapid arguments I've seen from them that could fit. |
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Flockhopper is a new one to me, hadn't heard of it before. An app noted in the comments that lets you plan your route around known cameras, pretty pointless if you're using your phone as a GPS, but I guess a least flock isn't the company collecting your data. Needs a campaign or real estate sign in front of the camera that's obviously been retrofitted into that trailer. Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By realwar:
Flockhopper is a new one to me, hadn't heard of it before. An app noted in the comments that lets you plan your route around known cameras, pretty pointless if you're using your phone as a GPS, but I guess a least flock isn't the company collecting your data. Needs a campaign or real estate sign in front of the camera that's obviously been retrofitted into that trailer. I linked it a few pages back. Spread it round before it gets illegal to have, just like how apple pulled apps that let hong kong protestors avoid the CCP complying / enforcing police in HK. |
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Originally Posted By lygxis: Flock employees may actually be clinically retarded enough to think they really are enhancing safety, or their doing some rights justifies the wrongs they are doing. Given the utterly vapid arguments I've seen from them that could fit. Originally Posted By lygxis: Originally Posted By zaskar017: Originally Posted By M4-AK: The big question... What's in this for Flock? $$$ Everything revolves around $$$ Flock employees may actually be clinically retarded enough to think they really are enhancing safety, or their doing some rights justifies the wrongs they are doing. Given the utterly vapid arguments I've seen from them that could fit. A large portion of the people advocating for it may be retarded, certainly low IQ and unable to extrapolate where this is going, but the employees I've seen on videos come across as sociopaths. Definitely some of the last people on earth I want in control of this sort of tech. I've seen deflock, I must have missed when the other app was posted. |
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Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: A large portion of the people advocating for it may be retarded, certainly low IQ and unable to extrapolate where this is going, but the employees I've seen on videos come across as sociopaths. Definitely some of the last people on earth I want in control of this sort of tech. I've seen deflock, I must have missed when the other app was posted. Originally Posted By sandboxmedic: Originally Posted By lygxis: Originally Posted By zaskar017: Originally Posted By M4-AK: The big question... What's in this for Flock? $$$ Everything revolves around $$$ Flock employees may actually be clinically retarded enough to think they really are enhancing safety, or their doing some rights justifies the wrongs they are doing. Given the utterly vapid arguments I've seen from them that could fit. A large portion of the people advocating for it may be retarded, certainly low IQ and unable to extrapolate where this is going, but the employees I've seen on videos come across as sociopaths. Definitely some of the last people on earth I want in control of this sort of tech. I've seen deflock, I must have missed when the other app was posted. https://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=2850666&tl=OFFICIAL-Flock-Cameras-Misused-or-Destroyed-Thread&page=8#i117240427 |
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They just can't help themselves. Yet another user of flock's "don't take no for an answer" dating app. https://www.postandcourier.com/greenville/news/greer-police-lied-flock-license-readers/article_32142140-e85b-4ca7-8a19-321aed715d36.html GREER — Lying about misusing traffic cameras to track the car tags of an ex-partner and several residents was what led Greer to fire two police officers, according to documents released this week by the S.C. Criminal Justice Academy. According to separation paperwork CJA released July 16, those firings were in response to misconduct allegations connected to their use of the city's Flock Safety license plate readers. That technology is used by Greer and a growing number of South Carolina cities to automatically track vehicles as they pass the cameras. Lynch "was searching the tag of a fellow officer with whom he had had a previous relationship" multiple times in December and January, the forms said, while Echeverry kept tabs on several residents from Dec. 13 to May 25. |
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Originally Posted By Xyster7212: Aaannnd 3 more today: https://www.wjbf.com/news/crime-news/more-richmond-co-deputies-arrested-fired-for-flock-camera-misuse/amp/ Richmond County, GA. A deputy, an investigator, and an LT - once again showing that this rot completely permeates these agencies. I would love too see what an audit of every department in GA would turn up. |
Extorris, because he's a heartless cunt. The purity of his apathy is laboratory grade, and I sleep well knowing that he's out there somewhere,
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
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Always blame autocorrect.
"No, you cannot know what info we have on your vehicle because it would violate your privacy" 
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| You can see Flock pushing back hard. Police forces all across the country are issuing responses assuring the public that flock is safe and secure and for our best interests. There are stories about drug busts, and people with warrants, and people with guns in their cars (oh my!) being arrested because of the amazing and benevolent Flock. |
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Originally Posted By Pokernut: Flock, getting more cops fired than nurses and dispatchers combined.  
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Extorris, because he's a heartless cunt. The purity of his apathy is laboratory grade, and I sleep well knowing that he's out there somewhere,
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
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Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: You can see Flock pushing back hard. Police forces all across the country are issuing responses assuring the public that flock is safe and secure and for our best interests. There are stories about drug busts, and people with warrants, and people with guns in their cars (oh my!) being arrested because of the amazing and benevolent Flock. A year or so ago I got pulled over for no front plate and too dark of tints (warning for both). He justified requiring a front plate because it helped them use Flock. He then asked me if I knew what Flock was and I played dumb. "Well it's so we can track stolen cars, observe crime hotspots, etc." Knew that shit was a scam long before this thread was created and it only continues to facilitate my disdain, and want to [COC]. |
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Originally Posted By mcantu: "No, you cannot know what info we have on your vehicle because it would violate your privacy"
Eh, that is better than "here's the information you requested". Honestly, someone would complain about it either way. Those cameras in the back of speed trailers sure look easy to defeat... would be a shame if some wind blew a piece of cardboard with tape stuck to it over the lens... |
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From CT. 3 Flock cameras vandalized in Milford, police investigating Milford police are investigating the vandalism of three Flock cameras in the city last Wednesday. The damaged Flock cameras were in the area of 1770 Boston Post Road, near Exit 40, and Boston Post Road near East Town Road, police said Thursday. No suspects have been charged as of Thursday morning, police said. Additional information was not immediately available. |
Someone figured out that most of the volume of a Flock ALPR is a big lithium battery.  It's worth noting that 5 cops were recently fired in Albany for misusing Flock data. https://www.foxcarolina.com/2026/07/22/2-flock-cameras-explode-georgia-whats-going/ Investigators believe the fires may have started in the cameras’ battery packs, but the exact cause has not been determined. Authorities are looking into whether the incidents were caused by a battery malfunction, intentional criminal activity, or another factor. |
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Originally Posted By Pokernut: Flock, getting more cops fired than nurses and dispatchers combined. Originally Posted By Pokernut: Flock, getting more cops fired than nurses and dispatchers combined. Even the dispatchers themselves aren't safe! Just announced today: https://gbi.georgia.gov/press-releases/2026-07-23/gbi-arrests-conyers-police-department-employee-misuse-license-plate The GBI has arrested and charged Paige Forte, age 30, of Conyers, GA, with Misuse of a License Plate Reader System, following an investigation into the misuse of her access to the Flock Safety System. Forte is a dispatcher supervisor at the Conyers Police Department. Tracking her "partner," as usual. |
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Originally Posted By mcantu: "No, you cannot know what info we have on your vehicle because it would violate your privacy"
They're protecting the privacy of the stalkers and the surveillance infrastructure. They don't want to be stalked. |
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Regarding that guy's FOIA request... Sounds like grounds for a law suit. If privacy is unexpected in public there should be no concern to turn over the data. If privacy is expected then the surveillance is illegal. You can't have it both ways. |
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Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: You can see Flock pushing back hard. Police forces all across the country are issuing responses assuring the public that flock is safe and secure and for our best interests. There are stories about drug busts, and people with warrants, and people with guns in their cars (oh my!) being arrested because of the amazing and benevolent Flock. The best part is, you can accept that sometimes or even often that these things are good and should have been done, without accepting that mass surveillance or flock or any replacements for it. The fact that you can do something bad and something good may or will happen because of that doesn't justify doing that wrong thing. It's trivially easy to find bad and even horrid things that can be done that will result in some good thing or the other happening. So you can find examples they won't accept as allowable and purusue that thread. When they try and pull the proportionality argument, you start asking them what justifies any given proportionality of allowble evil for theoretical good result. They will out themselves. We don't have to do anything more than let them be a little bit honest, and they will hang themselves on their own petards. You just have to be read and able to take what they offer and follow the threads. If you aren't used to it, roleplay it with friends, unscripted, to force you to get used to doing that with non-cooperatve people. |
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Ok, now this doesn't pass the stink test. Remember that journalist that 'mistakenly' had flock sic the police on him? https://www.thedrive.com/news/i-reported-on-flocks-cameras-now-im-one-of-the-systems-mistakes It was just weeks before my encounter with the law that we had an episode of The Drivecast featuring security expert and Ent.AI CISO Matt Hurewitz talking about how license plate cameras are tracking your life without a warrant. At the time, Hurewitz said, “I think if you wait long enough there will be examples that affect people in a very real way, and that will cause a conversation to happen, which I think is really important.” Except we didn’t have to wait long, at least I didn’t. Yep, that's right, he was reporting on ALPRs before the 'mistake' happened to him. |
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... and here come the morons, now that they realized there's a lot of people involved, and they're going screw things up. No quarter for them. https://www.404media.co/the-rise-of-anti-flock-influencers-who-make-things-up-for-clout/ Alongside this has come lots of viral posts that either slightly misunderstand or oversell what Flock is doing or is capable of, or get, for example, the exact mechanics of how ICE may obtain Flock data wrong. On balance, most of these posts are at least directionally correct. There is room in the movement against mass surveillance for hyperbole, satire, comedy, stunts, and misunderstandings done by well-meaning people, especially if there is a broader point. That is not what Orion and some of his copycats are doing, however. Most charitably, Orion is making people aware of Flock and could be making people more likely to do more research into the company or is making them more likely to take political or direct action to prevent surveillance. He’s a bro spreading the word, and perhaps his heart is in the right place. But, basically, he is making shit up to make himself and his country music career more famous by creating and sowing disinformation in a space where there are dozens of journalists and influencers working hard for more transparency, and positioning himself as being somehow at legal or criminal risk when people who are doing actual needle-moving work struggle to stand out or are actually being threatened. |
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https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/rockdale-county/crime-center-operator-accused-misusing-flock-data-track-domestic-partner-charged-by-gbi/DZ25LBIL2VEB3CGJKZVSLGOMBA/ Crime center supervisor accused of misusing Flock data to track domestic partner, charged by GBI By Sam Sachs, WSBTV.com July 23, 2026 at 10:33 am EDT " CONYERS, Ga. — A real-time crime center supervisor in metro Atlanta is accused of using her access to Flock Safety license plate reader data to track her domestic partner. The Conyers Police Department announced Thursday that , a supervisor in the department’s Real-Time Crime Center, was under investigation for using access to the Flock system to track her partner’s car to see where he was. It’s another example of a trend Channel 2 Action News has reported on, where multiple officers have been accused of misusing the technology for person, inappropriate activity. Meanwhile, cities are playing the shellgame by switching to axon, doing the exact same bloody thing with a different company: https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/axons-cameras-set-syracuse/ We’re happy that those 13 are gone. I would be happier if Flock had no cameras at all in the city or the county or anywhere around here. But for now, I’m happy that at least they’re off city property.” The city’s concerns focused on Flock’s data-sharing practices, not the use of license plate reader technology itself. Earlier this year, the Syracuse Police Department told councilors the cameras had become an important investigative tool, particularly in homicide and violent crime cases. At the same time, city attorneys argued a new contract with Axon would provide Syracuse police with greater control over its own data. Monto said he believes the city made the right decision by changing vendors. “A simple Google search kind of tells you what the problems are with Flock or where we were seeing problems with their actions—especially around new Americans and immigrants and tracking of humans.” Even with the transition to Axon, Monto said protecting people’s privacy should remain a priority. No, syracuse, and any of the rest of you. It's not just drop flock, it's QUIT mass surveillance. We're going to have to housebreak them to stop them from taking these steaming dumps on us. |
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Financial structuring to avoid triggering laws: https://www.hometownsource.com/forest_lake_times/acso-signs-contract-for-flock-drone-pilot-without-board-approval/article_7b16f6ae-fc9e-43c1-bab5-c98c5fa335eb.html Amid debate over technology such as drones and Flock automated license plate readers, Anoka County Sheriff Brad Wise signed a $174,999 pilot program contract, placing it $1 below the threshold requiring County Board review. Wise said law enforcement chiefs in the county had worked on the proposed contract with Flock since fall 2025 and first brought it to the board in January. Because the initial cost exceeded Wise’s contracting authority, he had been discussing with the County Board how to begin a pilot project. “It became clear that national politics was weighing into the discussions regarding drones and license plate readers,” Wise said. “It became clear to me that the only way for this pilot to move forward with a test run was to work for a vendor to operate a contract that I could sign of under $175,000.” The final contract came in at $174,999. “This was deliberately done to make sure there were no legal issues tied to the dollar amount,” Wise said. Drones will constitute the bulk of the pilot program. While other agencies refer to such programs as drones as first responders, Wise said Anoka County is calling its program drone-assisted response. |
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Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: You can see Flock pushing back hard. Police forces all across the country are issuing responses assuring the public that flock is safe and secure and for our best interests. There are stories about drug busts, and people with warrants, and people with guns in their cars (oh my!) being arrested because of the amazing and benevolent Flock. They caught those people before the surveillance state was operational, they can catch them without it now. No expectation of privacy doesn't mean everyone's physical movements can be tracked and logged for ...who knows how long (it seems to vary). |
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Originally Posted By lygxis: Financial structuring to avoid triggering laws: https://www.hometownsource.com/forest_lake_times/acso-signs-contract-for-flock-drone-pilot-without-board-approval/article_7b16f6ae-fc9e-43c1-bab5-c98c5fa335eb.html That's pretty standard in government procurement. I've seen all sorts of creative things done to bring capital expenditures under certain limits, usually to avoid a long, onerous bid process that would eventually buy the same thing anyway. |
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Originally Posted By Steel-Driver-76: They caught those people before the surveillance state was operational, they can catch them without it now. No expectation of privacy doesn't mean everyone's physical movements can be tracked and logged for ...who knows how long (it seems to vary). Originally Posted By Steel-Driver-76: Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: You can see Flock pushing back hard. Police forces all across the country are issuing responses assuring the public that flock is safe and secure and for our best interests. There are stories about drug busts, and people with warrants, and people with guns in their cars (oh my!) being arrested because of the amazing and benevolent Flock. They caught those people before the surveillance state was operational, they can catch them without it now. No expectation of privacy doesn't mean everyone's physical movements can be tracked and logged for ...who knows how long (it seems to vary). ... and because our courts and the people that make our laws won't do their jobs, none of this mass "treat you all like criminals" will actually drive the real bad acting down below the noise floor.  We'd rather mass-surveil the entire US than fix our broken courts and laws. |
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Originally Posted By Xyster7212: That's pretty standard in government procurement. I've seen all sorts of creative things done to bring capital expenditures under certain limits, usually to avoid a long, onerous bid process that would eventually buy the same thing anyway. Originally Posted By Xyster7212: Originally Posted By lygxis: Financial structuring to avoid triggering laws: https://www.hometownsource.com/forest_lake_times/acso-signs-contract-for-flock-drone-pilot-without-board-approval/article_7b16f6ae-fc9e-43c1-bab5-c98c5fa335eb.html That's pretty standard in government procurement. I've seen all sorts of creative things done to bring capital expenditures under certain limits, usually to avoid a long, onerous bid process that would eventually buy the same thing anyway. "Rules for thee, but not for me." |
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Originally Posted By lygxis: "Rules for thee, but not for me." Originally Posted By lygxis: Originally Posted By Xyster7212: Originally Posted By lygxis: Financial structuring to avoid triggering laws: https://www.hometownsource.com/forest_lake_times/acso-signs-contract-for-flock-drone-pilot-without-board-approval/article_7b16f6ae-fc9e-43c1-bab5-c98c5fa335eb.html That's pretty standard in government procurement. I've seen all sorts of creative things done to bring capital expenditures under certain limits, usually to avoid a long, onerous bid process that would eventually buy the same thing anyway. "Rules for thee, but not for me." If it makes you feel any better, it's pretty standard in private-sector procurement as well. 
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Originally Posted By lygxis: ... and because our courts and the people that make our laws won't do their jobs, none of this mass "treat you all like criminals" will actually drive the real bad acting down below the noise floor. https://img.ifunny.co/images/345daabbec5296b4cd609dcb6c3125ace11e9db40e4cfef97befacb0480a220f_1.jpg We'd rather mass-surveil the entire US than fix our broken courts and laws. Originally Posted By lygxis: Originally Posted By Steel-Driver-76: Originally Posted By Leisure_Shoot: You can see Flock pushing back hard. Police forces all across the country are issuing responses assuring the public that flock is safe and secure and for our best interests. There are stories about drug busts, and people with warrants, and people with guns in their cars (oh my!) being arrested because of the amazing and benevolent Flock. They caught those people before the surveillance state was operational, they can catch them without it now. No expectation of privacy doesn't mean everyone's physical movements can be tracked and logged for ...who knows how long (it seems to vary). ... and because our courts and the people that make our laws won't do their jobs, none of this mass "treat you all like criminals" will actually drive the real bad acting down below the noise floor. https://img.ifunny.co/images/345daabbec5296b4cd609dcb6c3125ace11e9db40e4cfef97befacb0480a220f_1.jpg We'd rather mass-surveil the entire US than fix our broken courts and laws. That would mean holding people accountable for their actions. Modern society is allergic to responsibility (I guess that makes sense, considering the left controls all the pillars of society and they're against personal responsibility ...except for whitey, who is responsible for shit 400 years in the past). |
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Another "don't take no for an answer" user. Ex who stalks. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2026/07/24/central-florida-sheriff-suspends-flock-cameras-after-scandal-involving-detective/ Central Florida sheriff suspends Flock cameras after scandal involving detective faces charge of official misconduct A Sumter County Sheriff’s Office detective has been arrested and terminated after investigators say she improperly accessed multiple law enforcement databases for personal reasons. In a statement released Thursday, sheriff’s officials said an internal audit found “improper and unlawful” use of agency database systems to monitor an individual. The audit identified irregular activity tied to Detective Brandy Almany, who has been employed with the agency since 2019, the release said. According to the sheriff’s office, a criminal investigation was opened the same day. Investigators allege Almany circumvented procedures and accessed databases including: CCIS (Comprehensive Case Information System) Flock Automated License Plate Recognition (ALPR) DAVID (Driver and Vehicle Information Database) Investigators said the information was sought in connection with the ex-wife of ’s husband, and that the searches were not tied to legitimate investigative work.  Open Records Requests Reveal Flock's Plans Jason Hunyar returns to Business Reform with another round of revelations uncovered through public records requests. In this interview, Jason discusses what he has learned about Flock Safety’s expanding data collection, including how 911 call center information can become part of the company’s ecosystem, concerns about records management system (RMS) data, alleged insurance-related searches, software updates that expand surveillance capabilities without additional public approval, and communications between Flock executives and public officials uncovered through Open Records Requests. Apparently flock also screws around with 911 call recordings. Private companies getting access to what should government only data (and frankly you can't trust the government with it either). Possible ties with insurance companies?!?!? https://jasonhunyar.substack.com/p/flocks-nationwide-network-of-your As I said in my public comment before Kerry presented, Flock’s legal terms are constantly evolving, and Flock “really removed ‘we do not sell customer data’ the second footage and metadata was included back in [their definitions]. There’s literally zero harm in them including the statement if they don’t intend to sell it. So why did they take it out?” The answer to my question is very simple: because they already sell our data, and price sheets I’ve obtained through a procurement contract prove it. You can see the price sheets in their full here. They are public documents from Omnia Partners, who were conducting an RFP on behalf of the Region 4 Education Service Center in Houston Texas. Note that these line items are completely separate from any camera or device. And as reported by 404 Media, “ICE, Secret Service, [the] Navy All Had Access to Flock’s Nationwide Network of Cameras”. These agencies do not have Flock cameras. You do not need to have any Flock cameras to purchase access to their system.   Except, in this case? It's not a battery, it's a roll of coins, representing the value of our personal data. |