Posted: 4/23/2025 5:29:43 PM EDT
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I just got https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/content/standing-guard-we-have-come-a-long-way/ the come back and join the NRA survey. 1) In my opinion, keeping former non-dues-paying members on the email list so we can be claimed as members to Congress and Advertisers is dishonest. 2) Sending 6 or 7 email posts from NRA E-publications that are EXACTLY THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE PUB NAME (buy this whiz bang so we can get paid!) is not only foolish, it is LAZY, bad marketing for the NRA. And worse for the company wanting us former members to buy their product. 3) Telling us how wonderful it is now that W. LA P. is gone, their 76 person board is a magnificent business practice is not only dishonest, foolish and terrible marketing, it detracts from the NRA brand and our support of the Second Amendment! 4) If the NRA wants to legitimately increase by getting former members back, they need to A) ask those board members who supported and/or participated in the thievery to resign board membership. B) they need to decrease the number of board members to a more legitimate number, probably less than 20 people who can be accountable to the membership. C) Current board members know it is time to take a look at the mirror and decide if they can better serve as a non-board member for the good of the organization. 5) The marketing arm of the NRA needs to attend to business and tailor their messaging and their advertising to individual groups within the membership. No more generic broadcasts tossed to the wind in hopes fools will bite. Too long, the theme of messages emanating from the NRA has been that things aren’t that bad, only a few apples are slightly blemished, that the messages are mostly effective and they really can manage with a heavenly host of board members. In short, we former members shouldn’t believe our own eyes. Do the hard thing. Respectfully, KingsPoint |
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Originally Posted By kingspoint: I just got https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/content/standing-guard-we-have-come-a-long-way/ the come back and join the NRA survey. Totally agree, NRA should admit that a lot of members left and start reporting the real number. Still can report all the life memberships, even though a lot of them don't want anything to do with the NRA after WLP as a life membership is a life membership. 1) In my opinion, keeping former non-dues-paying members on the email list so we can be claimed as members to Congress and Advertisers is dishonest. Very dishonest and shouldn't report the numbers, but have to expect at least an occasional - like 1 or 2 a year - email begging your return. 2) Sending 6 or 7 email posts from NRA E-publications that are EXACTLY THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE PUB NAME (buy this whiz bang so we can get paid!) is not only foolish, it is LAZY, bad marketing for the NRA. And worse for the company wanting us former members to buy their product. This is what marketing has devolved to now. Yes it's lazy, but worse is that it makes people upset with the many organizations and companies that are doing this. 3) Telling us how wonderful it is now that W. LA P. is gone, their 76 person board is a magnificent business practice is not only dishonest, foolish and terrible marketing, it detracts from the NRA brand and our support of the Second Amendment! I guess you read the latest editorial. I can see having that many board members to help run the many different areas covered by the NRA, but I think that they need to be identified and the board members should actually be doing some of the work and not leaving all the work being done by the employees. Whether it's Eddie Eagle, Bullseye or other shooting program or running the certification and instruction courses every board member should actually be doing something with the program they are making their 'specialty' as a board member and that this info should be part of their biography on the NRA website and in the voting issue. 4) If the NRA wants to legitimately increase by getting former members back, they need to A) ask those board members who supported and/or participated in the thievery to resign board membership. B) they need to decrease the number of board members to a more legitimate number, probably less than 20 people who can be accountable to the membership. C) Current board members know it is time to take a look at the mirror and decide if they can better serve as a non-board member for the good of the organization. Agree, the board members that let WLP run wild should resign. I don't think the board membership needs to be reduced as there is enough work for all of them to do, but they should be doing that work and not just letting an NRA employee do it all. Biggest change I think should be no more nomination committee, EVERYONE has to gather signatures to get on the ballot every election; and given enough time to actually be able to get the signatures. 5) The marketing arm of the NRA needs to attend to business and tailor their messaging and their advertising to individual groups within the membership. No more generic broadcasts tossed to the wind in hopes fools will bite. Would probably work better, but again that's not what marketing people do anymore. Not just the NRA marketing people, but pretty much every company and organization fails to do specific marketing for small groups most likely to be swayed by a specific campaign. Too long, the theme of messages emanating from the NRA has been that things aren’t that bad, only a few apples are slightly blemished, that the messages are mostly effective and they really can manage with a heavenly host of board members. In short, we former members shouldn’t believe our own eyes. Do the hard thing. Respectfully, KingsPoint I would add that at the back of the latest "American Rifleman" magazine is a notice that the NRA is going to try and get some of the money NRA spent on defending WLP back from him. Not sure how realistic it is to expect success, or how hard the NRA will even try to accomplish this. It's easy when doing legalities to "make mistakes" and get things thrown out by a judge because you didn't cross every 'T' and dot every 'I'; and easiest of all is simply to be late in filing something with the court. Is it already too late to file a suit against WLP trying to recover these NRA monies? |
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The reduction in the number of board members avoids the "rope-a-dope" they have been able to play. I agree each board member should have direct involvement. Each could chair a committee on a task and direct/report to membership. If they are chairing, they can reduce employee mistakes. As to what marketing companies are doing, there have always been companies that screw their customers and/or employees. Likely there will always be companies that do that. BUT (big but!), those companies aren't marketing. Marketers find a need, develop a product that will benefit a defined customer at a price that is fair, given market conditions, promotes it to the customers/potential customers in ethical fashion, and delivers/arranges delivery of what was promised in appropriate modalities. Very little of what went on with thievery, cover up, today's attempted schmoozing "everything is sweetness and light," and etc. would be described as ethical marketing. Customers vote with their feet if they are being screwed AND they have a better alternative. Companies that stray have multiple options. Coca Cola screwed up when they didn't understand their own brand and their customers needs. They abandoned New Coke. Bravo Zulu! The NRA board rallied round WLAP. And doubled down. Stupid. The average NRA candidate or member is an upstanding and patriotic American. Disbelief...Say it isn't so!...Stop this stuff...ADIOS.... in the end. Recovery will only come with complete change. Cordially, Kings Point |
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Originally Posted By kingspoint: I just got https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/content/standing-guard-we-have-come-a-long-way/ the come back and join the NRA survey. 1) In my opinion, keeping former non-dues-paying members on the email list so we can be claimed as members to Congress and Advertisers is dishonest. 2) Sending 6 or 7 email posts from NRA E-publications that are EXACTLY THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THE PUB NAME (buy this whiz bang so we can get paid!) is not only foolish, it is LAZY, bad marketing for the NRA. And worse for the company wanting us former members to buy their product. 3) Telling us how wonderful it is now that W. LA P. is gone, their 76 person board is a magnificent business practice is not only dishonest, foolish and terrible marketing, it detracts from the NRA brand and our support of the Second Amendment! 4) If the NRA wants to legitimately increase by getting former members back, they need to A) ask those board members who supported and/or participated in the thievery to resign board membership. B) they need to decrease the number of board members to a more legitimate number, probably less than 20 people who can be accountable to the membership. C) Current board members know it is time to take a look at the mirror and decide if they can better serve as a non-board member for the good of the organization. 5) The marketing arm of the NRA needs to attend to business and tailor their messaging and their advertising to individual groups within the membership. No more generic broadcasts tossed to the wind in hopes fools will bite. Too long, the theme of messages emanating from the NRA has been that things aren't that bad, only a few apples are slightly blemished, that the messages are mostly effective and they really can manage with a heavenly host of board members. In short, we former members shouldn't believe our own eyes. Do the hard thing. Respectfully, KingsPoint |
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They also need to stop endorsing state level candidates that have blocked/killed pro 2A state level legislation. Back in 2018 I repeatedly messaged the NRA-PVF and the PVF rep for my area asking why they were endorsing a candidate for governor that previously helped kill Constitutional Carry bills here in GA. I got zero responses. Luckily their endorsed candidate lost in the primary to Kemp who went on to be governor and signed constitutional carry into law. They also gave an A+ rating to one of our other state reps who repeatedly helped kill constitutional carry bills. |
Extorris, because he's a heartless cunt. The purity of his apathy is laboratory grade, and I sleep well knowing that he's out there somewhere,
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
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Originally Posted By Singlestack_Wonder: Nothing has changed at the nra. Yep, still backing politicians that vote for gun control like this guy who voted for the Parkland gun control bill. https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/Florida |
Extorris, because he's a heartless cunt. The purity of his apathy is laboratory grade, and I sleep well knowing that he's out there somewhere,
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
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Originally Posted By Extorris: Yep, still backing politicians that vote for gun control like this guy who voted for the Parkland gun control bill. https://www.nrapvf.org/grades/Florida And another one, endorsing a politician that defends gun control. https://vcdl.org/mpage/MiyaresDefendingGunControl 
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Extorris, because he's a heartless cunt. The purity of his apathy is laboratory grade, and I sleep well knowing that he's out there somewhere,
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
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Originally Posted By Singlestack_Wonder: This +1000 Nothing has changed at the nra. The ponzi scheme continues. I see it the same way. They ditched the worst offenders but have not really made any meaningful change. I have thought for a long time that the NRA is unrecoverable and they do nothing to change that opinion. |
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I see it the same way. They ditched the worst offenders but have not really made any meaningful change. I have thought for a long time that the NRA is unrecoverable and they do nothing to change that opinion. The nra is such an affront to gun owners and continues to support anti-2nd Amendment politicians. It's amazing that here on a pro-gun website that there is still pinned threads supporting the nra. |
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Originally Posted By Singlestack_Wonder: The nra is such an affront to gun owners and continues to support anti-2nd Amendment politicians. It's amazing that here on a pro-gun website that there is still pinned threads supporting the nra. @Singlestack_Wonder Yep, in the last two months they've endorsed a candidate in VA that defends gun control laws and in FL they endorsed a candidate that voted for the very gun control law the NRA is currently suing the state over. 
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Extorris, because he's a heartless cunt. The purity of his apathy is laboratory grade, and I sleep well knowing that he's out there somewhere,
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
not giving a shit about anyone or anything.
| Not trying to derail the thread but it is really unfortunate that NAGR is trying it's damnedest to become the new NRA. Them not being the NRA is why I supported them and they have been going down the same route with the spam and marketing and boomer scarebait mailers. I won't be renewing my membership this year. And it's not because they aren't being effective and getting things done...for now. I am a discreet gun owner and getting huge manila envelopes covered in more postage than I would use to send a suspicious package with huge GUN CONFISCATION NOTICE stamped all over the front is extremely distasteful and not a good use of my membership dollars. |