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Posted: 3/23/2023 8:49:05 AM EDT
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I really don't know how we have come to this when I was in the army we were all young and we were all supporters of the Second Amendment. I just got off the phone and my son told me what happens on his ship. I felt bad and also I felt bitterness. What have we done? |
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Well I mean where are his compadres from? You're kinda of reading a little too much into it IMO. I had dudes from all over the country and their political views and upbringing tend to change with all that you know. Most of my Troop was hunter/outdoorsy types but I had a few guys from urban areas that just didn't get it. In the Navy I imagine the ratios of type of recruit are a lot different then a combat arms Army platoon. Also just youngens too |
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A generation + of young minds conditioned to the idea they don’t need to protect themselves because Government has your security covered. A generation + conditioned that the objects that exist in society representing miss deeds are the problem. Not the humans in control of them. |
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: "If you don't like guns, why the fuck are you in the military? That's like working at Dunkin' Donuts' and hating pasteries. You need a psychiatrist." What he should be saying to them. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: "If you don't like guns, why the fuck are you in the military? That's like working at Dunkin' Donuts' and hating pasteries. You need a psychiatrist." What he should be saying to them. Bet they're just a bunch of fucksticks there for the bennies. |
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The military doesn't believe in the 2A. Anyone who has looked at the restrictions for bringing guns onto most installations, or the rules they try to impose on many military members, knows what I'm talking about. Even overseas, they treat most of them like children and can have some very stupid rules. It's ironic that a lot of people join the military to protect the freedoms and rights of Americans, yet the institution they join, tramples those rights more often and successfully than just about any other segment I can thing of. See also military covid vaccine policy. |
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Safe to assume that said ship is a carrier? If hes getting in disagreements, its likely just within his division. Not outside of his division. Unfortunate roll of the dice. Probably works in supply with a bunch of liberals. Or in engineering with inherently less smart people. On my ship, everyone here is highly conservative and mostly all loves guns. |
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Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: "If you don't like guns, why the fuck are you in the military? That's like working at Dunkin' Donuts' and hating pasteries. You need a psychiatrist." What he should be saying to them. They are in the navy… it’s not really the military. It’s kind of like a slightly more restrictive carnival cruise |
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The military doesn't believe in the 2A. Anyone who has looked at the restrictions for bringing guns onto most installations, or the rules they try to impose on many military members, knows what I'm talking about. Even overseas, they treat most of them like children and can have some very stupid rules. It's ironic that a lot of people join the military to protect the freedoms and rights of Americans, yet the institution they join, tramples those rights more often and successfully than just about any other segment I can thing of. See also military covid vaccine policy. Aint that the damn truth. In Germany, I had to get the CO to sign off on every firearm purchase. Like asking "Dad". And I had to keep them in the arms room. And could never get the Armorer to open the room on Saturday morning when I wanted to go shoot. Ended up keeping them at my buddies place off post. |
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The military doesn't believe in the 2A. Anyone who has looked at the restrictions for bringing guns onto most installations, or the rules they try to impose on many military members, knows what I'm talking about. Even overseas, they treat most of them like children and can have some very stupid rules. It's ironic that a lot of people join the military to protect the freedoms and rights of Americans, yet the institution they join, tramples those rights more often and successfully than just about any other segment I can thing of. See also military covid vaccine policy. |
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Their SHAME has become their PRIDE
Their SHAME has become their PRIDE
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Originally Posted By dogsplat: Four years in The Suck and I don't remember having a single political discussion ever. Although today everything is FAR more politicized than even 20 years ago. |
“As long as none of us gets hurt, we’re making memories.” - one GA trooper to another after shooting HOSTAGE 9 times
Their SHAME has become their PRIDE
Their SHAME has become their PRIDE
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Originally Posted By Missilegeek: The military doesn't believe in the FIFY. Sure, there's an oath. But name a single constitutional right out of the first 10 that any member of the active duty military gets to fully enjoy. It should be no surprise that enlisted men and women living under those conditions don't necessarily feel like the civilian peasants beneath them deserve MORE rights than they have. Luckily some still do. But they're being purged. |
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Originally Posted By myitinaw: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65625/retreadGIF-1707812.gif Yup |
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Originally Posted By Boisestatefan: Well,,,,,, Sailors.... What do you expect? 1000 men go out, 500 couples come back. not gay if underway...but to come back as a couple is straight faggotry! 
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When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. Hence, dealing with this fact is not difficult. It is only hard for those still living around you.....It's the same when you're stupid.
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When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. Hence, dealing with this fact is not difficult. It is only hard for those still living around you.....It's the same when you're stupid.
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I'm recalling what Ernie Pyle once wrote about the GI's in Italy. Their viewpoints were from every different background imaginable. From die-hard communists to those that thought America was fighting on the wrong side of the war to right-wingers that would call the most Ardent Arfcommer a dirty commie. The Entire political Spectrum, to include Infra-Red and Radio Waves to Ultra-Violet to X-Rays and beyond. |
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Michael Moore: Trump’s election is going to be the biggest Fuck You ever recorded in human history….And it will feel good.
For God and Country: Geronimo! Geronimo! Geronimo!
Michael Moore: Trump’s election is going to be the biggest Fuck You ever recorded in human history….And it will feel good.
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Originally Posted By GiggleSmith: I'm recalling what Ernie Pyle once wrote about the GI's in Italy. Their viewpoints were from every different background imaginable. From die-hard communists to those that thought America was fighting on the wrong side of the war to right-wingers that would call the most Ardent Arfcommer a dirty commie. The Entire political Spectrum, to include Infra-Red and Radio Waves to Ultra-Violet to X-Rays and beyond. Son, there ain't no draft no more. |
| The longer I was in, the more I was able to see the percentages change, it kinda coincided with how congress and the various administrations slowly made military service unattractive to traditional demographics. Having spent my last few years in TRADOC watching multiple classes of the same rank I slowly saw attitudes on guns and individual freedoms in general shift. |
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Served with several people who hated guns and loved Hillary. The military takes everyone regardless of ideology. With that said, see if you can get him on the Navy shooting team. If he's really good, he'll place in the presidents 100 and get a nice award for his uniform. Eta: wow thread necro... |