Low Testosterone: What are the options? UPDATE:Testosterone megathread (Page 441 of 443)
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Originally Posted By boman250: After about 6 months of tests to confirm low T, my Dr finally prescribed me the topical TRT. 2 pumps applied to shoulders every morning. So far, after about 2 weeks, I do not feel much better. I hope this helps get me closer to how I felt in my 30s. I tried that about 10-12 years ago after a lifelong of being low on test. Always have hovered around 250-300 total test. After about 6-7 weeks of daily topical try on my shoulders, it went up to about 350-375 total. That's it and I really didn't feel any different. I gave up after about 3 months because my total and free test score never went up much higher than my baseline. Now I'm doing 150mg test/wk(injections twice a week), I haven't felt this good since I was in my teens (I'm in mid 40's). Good luck to you and hopefully it helps, but it didn't work for me. |
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Attached File First ever draw. 47 lost 35-40lbs on Reta since February 2weeks post 10 week cycle of CJC/IPA MOTS-C NAD+ KLOW Powerlifting/Strongman style workouts, peak strength has dropped noticeably since the weight loss. Libido is Meh at best Sleep is much better over the past 3 years since I left a busy urban EMS system for a rural Fire Dept. Might have a beer or two a month Former Smoker (been several years) and haven't vaped in just a couple years. I feel like that won't get TRT approval unless I doc shop. |
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Originally Posted By Flashover343: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/346272/Screenshot_labs_06_26_jpeg-3783813.JPG First ever draw. 47 lost 35-40lbs on Reta since February 2weeks post 10 week cycle of CJC/IPA MOTS-C NAD+ KLOW Powerlifting/Strongman style workouts, peak strength has dropped noticeably since the weight loss. Libido is Meh at best Sleep is much better over the past 3 years since I left a busy urban EMS system for a rural Fire Dept. Might have a beer or two a month Former Smoker (been several years) and haven't vaped in just a couple years. I feel like that won't get TRT approval unless I doc shop. In my neck of the woods that would 100% get you on it. Probably not with a prescription that the insurance would cover, but most of the decent clinics here would definitely get you on 140 mg a week to start. |
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Question for you guys that have some history and perspective. I tested at <200 Dec. and my FNP, who is very conservative, agreed to start me 50mg/week. It was quite obvious that was way too low and she bumped it to 75. That was Jan. We have titrated slowly up to 90mg/week (45mg 2x) and my last T blood draw was 580 fasted/trough day. I am trying to recover from 3 years of high doses of Prednisone that most notably to me, caused ED. What I did not know was that it was killing my T. I would really like to get "normal" again, but I am starting to think that a lot more T is needed, but my FNP is terrified of me developing PE's (she has a few patients that are there, but they are really pushing the limits). From your perspective, are we in the ballpark here? Or do we just chipping away agonizingly slowly, and just need to make a big bump? |
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Originally Posted By 300BR: Question for you guys that have some history and perspective. I tested at <200 Dec. and my FNP, who is very conservative, agreed to start me 50mg/week. It was quite obvious that was way too low and she bumped it to 75. That was Jan. We have titrated slowly up to 90mg/week (45mg 2x) and my last T blood draw was 580 fasted/trough day. I am trying to recover from 3 years of high doses of Prednisone that most notably to me, caused ED. What I did not know was that it was killing my T. I would really like to get "normal" again, but I am starting to think that a lot more T is needed, but my FNP is terrified of me developing PE's (she has a few patients that are there, but they are really pushing the limits). From your perspective, are we in the ballpark here? Or do we just chipping away agonizingly slowly, and just need to make a big bump? OK, since that got no response, lemme ask a different question. For those of you on TRT, what is your weekly dose and what is your T on trough day? |
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Originally Posted By 300BR: OK, since that got no response, lemme ask a different question. For those of you on TRT, what is your weekly dose and what is your T on trough day? I take 200mgs test prop split into eod shots. Run about 1200 when tested. Use to run 160 test cyp and was about 1100. PEs? It's not a numbers game its a symptom resolution game. Your NP needs to understand that. She is going way too slow as here starting point shows she doesn't know what she is doing |
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At my last visit to the urologist, he said that he will put me on the T pill next time. I meant to ask him about it. WTF is this pill for T talk? Easier to get insurance to pay and no needles. Needles dont bother me, but it is just something else to order and do. A pill would be stupid easy. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: It's not a numbers game its a symptom resolution game. Your NP needs to understand that. She is going way too slow as here starting point shows she doesn't know what she is doing Thanks. Yeah, was beginning to suspect that. Hence the questions. |
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Originally Posted By 300BR: OK, since that got no response, lemme ask a different question. For those of you on TRT, what is your weekly dose and what is your T on trough day? Interestingly enough, I was prescribed 300 every other week and told her I split it up to 75 per shot, 2 times a week right away. Since that was .375 ml per shot (at 200mg/ml), she told me to round up to make it an even .4 ml per injection -- to make it easier. I laughed and told her i read micrometers all day, the graduations on a 1 ml barrel were easy to read and comprehend. She didnt care, she said the first dose adjustment would be based on symptoms and bloodwork and that the 10 mg a week bump was not a big deal. Makes sense. |
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Originally Posted By gotigers: At my last visit to the urologist, he said that he will put me on the T pill next time. I meant to ask him about it. WTF is this pill for T talk? Easier to get insurance to pay and no needles. Needles dont bother me, but it is just something else to order and do. A pill would be stupid easy. |
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg: 160 / wk test cyp, split into 2 injections. No bloodwork till July 2nd, but started with total T of 91. Interestingly enough, I was prescribed 300 every other week and told her I split it up to 75 per shot, 2 times a week right away. Since that was .375 ml per shot (at 200mg/ml), she told me to round up to make it an even .4 ml per injection -- to make it easier. I laughed and told her i read micrometers all day, the graduations on a 1 ml barrel were easy to read and comprehend. She didnt care, she said the first dose adjustment would be based on symptoms and bloodwork and that the 10 mg a week bump was not a big deal. Makes sense. There was a massive difference going from 1x weekly to 2x split. I learned that much from this thread. |
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Originally Posted By gotigers: At my last visit to the urologist, he said that he will put me on the T pill next time. I meant to ask him about it. WTF is this pill for T talk? Easier to get insurance to pay and no needles. Needles dont bother me, but it is just something else to order and do. A pill would be stupid easy. |
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Hey guys, been on TRT (1x/wk subQ of 100mg) for a year now. Still have incredibly bad acne on chest/back/shoulders. Does anyone have experience on whether going to 2x a week helped with that? What medication was this thread suggesting to combat that? There was a dermatologist prescribed Rx but can't find it in this massive thread. 
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Hey guys, been on TRT (1x/wk subQ of 100mg) for a year now. Still have incredibly bad acne on chest/back/shoulders. Does anyone have experience on whether going to 2x a week helped with that? What medication was this thread suggesting to combat that? There was a dermatologist prescribed Rx but can't find it in this massive thread. Try an EOD protocol for a month to test it out. You dont have to do it permanently, but it will tell you if your acne is the product of those spikes or whether you are just aromatizing too much at your "normal" average test levels. Im no expert by any means, but I think this would be a low risk experiment. |
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Originally Posted By gotigers: Why? I tend to agree, but Im not a doctor either. I personally would not consider anything short of injection. |
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Been on TRT a few years now. Have tried everything from Test Prop every day to Test E and Test C anywhere from daily to 2x a week. Switched to one shot a week of 120mg Test Undecanoate, best thing I've used. Super stable levels. Zero PIP. High concentration so injection volume is low, just 0.4mL once a week. Takes quite a while to reach stable levels unless you front load but I really have no idea why Test U isn't the standard once someone figures out the dose they want. Less injections equals less scar tissue, less chance for a nasty infection and less money spent on needles. Also, it's cheap. By my math it costs me $40 a year... |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Hey guys, been on TRT (1x/wk subQ of 100mg) for a year now. Still have incredibly bad acne on chest/back/shoulders. Does anyone have experience on whether going to 2x a week helped with that? What medication was this thread suggesting to combat that? There was a dermatologist prescribed Rx but can't find it in this massive thread. Also you're on Xyosted right? I don't think any insurance company will cover 2x 50mg pens a week. They tell doctors to increase or decrease the pen dose by 25mg to address side effects but stick to 1x a week injections. Your issue is likely aromatization. Yes 2x a week may help. But we need to know your total, free, and E levels. |
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Same question for you as last time- where is your estrogen at? Also you're on Xyosted right? I don't think any insurance company will cover 2x 50mg pens a week. They tell doctors to increase or decrease the pen dose by 25mg to address side effects but stick to 1x a week injections. Your issue is likely aromatization. Yes 2x a week may help. But we need to know your total, free, and E levels. Not sure on Estrogen levels, I'd have to have bloodwork ran again but will see if I can find my last test results. Nah, not Xyosted, I'm on generic Test C and syringes. So apart from needles out of pocket I can use whatever dosing I need. The urologist said there is no difference in effectiveness between weekly and 2x a week but that doesn't necessary account for side effects. I was off it for awhile after it started as it was so bad I couldnt even sleep with how many I had and the pain of laying on them. But even so it took forever to improve and it never fully cleared up either. |
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Originally Posted By 300BR: Question for you guys that have some history and perspective. I tested at <200 Dec. and my FNP, who is very conservative, agreed to start me 50mg/week. It was quite obvious that was way too low and she bumped it to 75. That was Jan. We have titrated slowly up to 90mg/week (45mg 2x) and my last T blood draw was 580 fasted/trough day. I am trying to recover from 3 years of high doses of Prednisone that most notably to me, caused ED. What I did not know was that it was killing my T. I would really like to get "normal" again, but I am starting to think that a lot more T is needed, but my FNP is terrified of me developing PE's (she has a few patients that are there, but they are really pushing the limits). From your perspective, are we in the ballpark here? Or do we just chipping away agonizingly slowly, and just need to make a big bump? I would feel like shit at 580. You may need to find a new doc if they are that terrified of managing test levels. The newer studies are proving that the issues related to elevated hemtocrit and hemoglobin are way overplayed. Trouble is many docs dont understand the management angle or refuse to adapt to new studies that run counter to their limited understanding of TRT. |
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg: Not to speak for him, but there arent any oral T meds that could be described as anything but marginal. Im assuming he suggests you run away from that doc, as it sounds like this particular doctor is ignorant of the real efficacy of the oral medicine. I tend to agree, but Im not a doctor either. I personally would not consider anything short of injection. This. Injections are the cheapest and have better results than any other method. Doing the shot is really easy and very effective. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Not sure on Estrogen levels, I'd have to have bloodwork ran again but will see if I can find my last test results. Nah, not Xyosted, I'm on generic Test C and syringes. So apart from needles out of pocket I can use whatever dosing I need. The urologist said there is no difference in effectiveness between weekly and 2x a week but that doesn't necessary account for side effects. I was off it for awhile after it started as it was so bad I couldnt even sleep with how many I had and the pain of laying on them. But even so it took forever to improve and it never fully cleared up either. In the meantime, low dose accutane, anywhere from 5-20mg. You could do 5mg-20mg daily, or space it out if you find resolution. The US warehouse (fast delivery) only has 20mg in stock, so id say order that along with a few months of 10mg from India warehouse so you can get a handle on it fast, meanwhile the 10mg comes in and you can figure out what dose and spacing works for you, and then we figure out what's going on with your bloodwork. https://pctzone.su/shop/?btsf-filter=1&filter_content=isotretinoin&query_type_content=or |
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Originally Posted By Sierra5: I would feel like shit at 580. You may need to find a new doc if they are that terrified of managing test levels. The newer studies are proving that the issues related to elevated hemtocrit and hemoglobin are way overplayed. Trouble is many docs dont understand the management angle or refuse to adapt to new studies that run counter to their limited understanding of TRT. Originally Posted By Sierra5: Originally Posted By 300BR: Question for you guys that have some history and perspective. I tested at <200 Dec. and my FNP, who is very conservative, agreed to start me 50mg/week. It was quite obvious that was way too low and she bumped it to 75. That was Jan. We have titrated slowly up to 90mg/week (45mg 2x) and my last T blood draw was 580 fasted/trough day. I am trying to recover from 3 years of high doses of Prednisone that most notably to me, caused ED. What I did not know was that it was killing my T. I would really like to get "normal" again, but I am starting to think that a lot more T is needed, but my FNP is terrified of me developing PE's (she has a few patients that are there, but they are really pushing the limits). From your perspective, are we in the ballpark here? Or do we just chipping away agonizingly slowly, and just need to make a big bump? I would feel like shit at 580. You may need to find a new doc if they are that terrified of managing test levels. The newer studies are proving that the issues related to elevated hemtocrit and hemoglobin are way overplayed. Trouble is many docs dont understand the management angle or refuse to adapt to new studies that run counter to their limited understanding of TRT. I did all this through my FNP, so I could get it medically justified and run through my ins. But my ins. raises my prices when I run it through them, so it's actually cheaper to pay cash. So far, she has responded well to being "managed". I expected her to be more proactive, but it's pretty apparent I'm gonna have to do my research and come with proposals and then hope she puts a smiley face on my paper. If not, I may have to look into a local clinic. She has mentioned Gameday Men's Health a couple times which does make me sense she's a bit out of her comfort zone with how much she wants to stretch the rules of the "medical community". |
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Originally Posted By 300BR: I did all this through my FNP, so I could get it medically justified and run through my ins. But my ins. raises my prices when I run it through them, so it's actually cheaper to pay cash. So far, she has responded well to being "managed". I expected her to be more proactive, but it's pretty apparent I'm gonna have to do my research and come with proposals and then hope she puts a smiley face on my paper. If not, I may have to look into a local clinic. She has mentioned Gameday Men's Health a couple times which does make me sense she's a bit out of her comfort zone with how much she wants to stretch the rules of the "medical community". Despite the retarded prices, the TRT mills still fill an important gap in the medical industry. Most of those will get your levels up ricky-tick, then correct for overshoot once your bloodwork comes back. I firmly believe this is the best way to treat an otherwise healthy man with low T levels. Just my $0.02. |
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg: There is nothing wrong with her being out of her comfort zone and admitting it. Many docs know fuckall about hormone health, wont admit it, then prescribe weak nonsense in the most conservative way they can to deal with the patient's complaints without incurring any possibility of adverse effects (or efficacy). Despite the retarded prices, the TRT mills still fill an important gap in the medical industry. Most of those will get your levels up ricky-tick, then correct for overshoot once your bloodwork comes back. I firmly believe this is the best way to treat an otherwise healthy man with low T levels. Just my $0.02. Is there a way I can work it so that the TRT mill does the heavy lifting (the messy stuff) and gets me on a solid dosage and then get a legit prescription from my FNP (or other) so I can buy T from my pharmancy? My labs are cheap and T is $25 for a 10ml vial if I do that. Cuz, yeah.... at this rate I can see this taking months. Gemini calculates I should be on 120-140mg/week. |
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Originally Posted By 300BR: Is there a way I can work it so that the TRT mill does the heavy lifting (the messy stuff) and gets me on a solid dosage and then get a legit prescription from my FNP (or other) so I can buy T from my pharmancy? My labs are cheap and T is $25 for a 10ml vial if I do that. Cuz, yeah.... at this rate I can see this taking months. Gemini calculates I should be on 120-140mg/week. Originally Posted By 300BR: Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg: There is nothing wrong with her being out of her comfort zone and admitting it. Many docs know fuckall about hormone health, wont admit it, then prescribe weak nonsense in the most conservative way they can to deal with the patient's complaints without incurring any possibility of adverse effects (or efficacy). Despite the retarded prices, the TRT mills still fill an important gap in the medical industry. Most of those will get your levels up ricky-tick, then correct for overshoot once your bloodwork comes back. I firmly believe this is the best way to treat an otherwise healthy man with low T levels. Just my $0.02. Is there a way I can work it so that the TRT mill does the heavy lifting (the messy stuff) and gets me on a solid dosage and then get a legit prescription from my FNP (or other) so I can buy T from my pharmancy? My labs are cheap and T is $25 for a 10ml vial if I do that. Cuz, yeah.... at this rate I can see this taking months. Gemini calculates I should be on 120-140mg/week. If you want insurance to pay for everything your best bet is provide your Doctor with the following link/documents, and ask her if she's comfortable increasing your dose to something reasonable of your choosing in alignment with the standard of care outlined by the American Urology Association. Under dosage guidelines they suggest 50-200mg every 7-14 days, with a starting dose of 100mg. Anything in that framework is kosher and she doesn't have to worry about her DEA license. The only follow up issue you may run into is if you end up needing estrogen management she may be uncomfortable prescribing an AI or understanding how that works. Which leaves you reducing your dose to something suboptimal, or getting an AI yourself. |
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: See if you can find bloodwork from when you were on your current dose and experiencing the acne issue. In the meantime, low dose accutane, anywhere from 5-20mg. You could do 5mg-20mg daily, or space it out if you find resolution. The US warehouse (fast delivery) only has 20mg in stock, so id say order that along with a few months of 10mg from India warehouse so you can get a handle on it fast, meanwhile the 10mg comes in and you can figure out what dose and spacing works for you, and then we figure out what's going on with your bloodwork. https://pctzone.su/shop/?btsf-filter=1&filter_content=isotretinoin&query_type_content=or 20mg is a fairly low dose, yes? Is it enough to allow proper suppression? |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Hey guys, been on TRT (1x/wk subQ of 100mg) for a year now. Still have incredibly bad acne on chest/back/shoulders. Does anyone have experience on whether going to 2x a week helped with that? What medication was this thread suggesting to combat that? There was a dermatologist prescribed Rx but can't find it in this massive thread. The truth is AAS can/will transforms acne bacteria into super-acne bacteria -AAS stimulates the growth of Propionibacterium acnes, which increases the chances of developing acne. Researchers have discovered that steroids use changes Propionibacterium acnes from ordinary pimple bacteria into rampant acne bacteria.Something that a lot of people have mistaken and assume that AAS acne is due to the vast amount of oil (sebum) that is overly produced, when in fact it is a syndrome known as "Propionibacterium acnes".. Something you need to know here is that the use of anabolic steroids stimulates the growth of Propionibacterium acnes, which increases the chances of developing acne. Some years back researchers found this and made many notes about it. That study suggests that steroids use changes Propionibacterium acnes from ordinary pimple bacteria into rampant acne bacteria. Therefore treating the effected around with a antifungal cream and such as Nizoral cream or even dry powder spray for athletes foot and jock it can assist.. 1671748468482.png Methods for treating hormonal and steroid related acne Before I waste time talking about what can trigger acne, like "estro levels", bacteria, hormonal fluctuations etc. etc., I'll get right to the point and talk about treatment.. Your treatment will be done in phases and I promise it will have amazing results.. Go to a local Dollar Tree, or Dollar General (whatever there's a main/huge dollar store chain in your area)..You can purchase products there for pennies on dollar compared to name brands that range from 4-8$ at leading stores.. Major savings, plus you can bath in these due to how inexpensive they are.. 1st - You'll need Salicylic acid wash, there's actual a few different types when it concerns the product carrier vehicle.. There's a cleanse white cream (body wash) & there's liquid soup body wash salicylic acid.. You'll need both as I will explain a bit later.. 2nd - Pears Glycerin soap.. This is not made with any synthetic compounds, dyes, perfumes nor does it possess anti-bacteria agents (these are not good for the skin as they will kill off good and bad bac, leaving exposure for more acne onset, there needs to be a balance).. Pears glycerin soap is actually over 200 years old, and is one of the best products you can use for your skin. It doesn't over dry your face which can trigger your dermis/glands to produce more sebum to accommodate the excessive dryness, this is NOT what you want.. The healthy balance with pears glycerin/transparent soap has been proven and derma-tested, and highly recommend over conventional synthetic soaps. (Avoid dish soaps or other soaps claiming to be heavy grease removal properties, these can induce greater outbreaks like I stated above, by way of hindering the balance of good/bad bacteria and by over drying).. 3rd - apple cider vinegar - Apple cider vinegar is so great for curing acne because it returns the acidity to our skin and restores that acid mantle. It also kills bad bacteria, removes excess dirt, oil and dissolves dead skin cells that may clog pores causing sebum to back up and formulate a cystic like acne. 4th - you'll need non-petroleum replenishing aloe vera, body gel for damaged dry or sun burn skin..( this will come into effect when using apple cider vinegar and 10% benzoyl peroxide, which can burn and over dry the skin at times, it soothes, replenishes and restores the balance in the skin without causing more brake-outs on the effected area, plus its great for after sun-tanning/beds) Below is a pic of what the products/brands may look like.. If you notice the small travel size spray bottles, this you can use by filling with apple cider vinegar and use while out on the road.. Easy, just spray effected area and/or cotton ball and rub area gently avoiding and small abrasions or irritation (avoid rubbing excessively, because small nicks and scratches or abrasions can trap bad bacteria and cause further unwanted acne) 1nR3qrX.jpg AM shower 1) When bathing use the pears soap ( avoid rags or bushes/sponges etc. etc., due to trapped bacteria that may linger, and to avoid skin abrasions), wash thoroughly, and repeatedly until skin feels squeaky clean ( I mean this literally) 2) Apply Salicylic acid body wash immediately after and repeat the same wash principles with the pears soap.. Allow this to sit on the skin without washing away for several mins, during this phase use Salicylic acid cream wash (non petroleum) and apply to acne areas and let sit.. Rinse after several min. 3) Using a new clean towel to dry off effected areas first before the rest of your body.. Once out of the shower and full dry, apply the 10% benzoyl peroxide to generously to effected areas and around, rub in until white color dissipates.. You can apply more with a paste base for areas that wont be seen! 4) During the day utilize the apple cider vinegar with spray bottle to effected areas, let it air cool, do NOT wipe it dry.. It may tingle or even sting, this is a good thing.. 5) (late afternoon) Use a mixture of 10% benzoyl & non-petroleum replenishing aloe vera, body gel on effected areas.. You'll need to mix the both in palm of hands, just a little bit this time and spread/rub on effected areas.. 6) Repeat step 1 and 4 before bed.. ( During the night if you awake, have the apple cider vinegar bottle on your night stand, and spray area and let air cool) Do this for 3-5 days.. If your acne doesn't begin to clear up you can become more aggressive with step 4 by employing it multiple times, with the addition of a 10min tanning bed session, however tanning beds are a hub for bac and are known to increase/agitate more acne.. You could also clean your bathtub with bleach (killing all bac), then fill with the hottest water you can stand and soak with Epsom-salt for 20mins).. If you find this treatment to be ineffective, I would suggest contacting your physician and requesting a script for Bactrim, this is a SUPER POWERFUL antibiotic that has amazing properties for targeting the dermis layers and ridding almost all acne, with lasting effects.. One last tip, Salicylic SPRAY for hard to reach areas I love this stuff, or a daily cover-up that will target acne as a treatment option, but doesn't trigger an onset of more, however it needs to be Salicylic acid based.. Below is one that I use for spot treatment to not only treat the acne at its spot, but to somewhat hide it, and give me that sense of confidence back without feeling like there's a huge beacon light shining on my face for everyone to see.. You'll need to find what shade fits you best.. I have a darker skin tone so 70+ is what I use.. IMG_4429_3637x.jpg yWeLr7v.jpg Last but no least -Avoid these facial pad scrubs, like I mentioned prior about micro skin abrasions and irritation, these are notorious for being a culprit to prolonging the unwanted presence of acne, by allowing bad bacteria to penetrate the opened areas and formulate NEW acne.. However, if you use these, I soak them in my very own cock-tail, apple cider vinegar and use them to "dab" the area. Also the addition of Tanning bed sessions at small time frames from 5 -15 mins x 2 a week can also assist with combating recurrences at the same time slowing down existing acne. An other great method is 4 cups of Epsom salt 2 x a week in a hot bath soak, not only is this very healthy for the skin and sore muscles but it can neutralize and dry out acne and kill bac levels with just about all types of acne.. You can alter and tweak due to skin sensitivity if need be.. EaTH3VZ.jpg Ketoconazole shampoo 2% kznJIyL.jpg --------------- Try the methods below and if these basic applications fail to provide any results I would opt for "Antibiotics".. 1659150157485.jpeg To name a few that come to mind would be Bactrim, Doxy, Erythromycin or even Clyndomicin (Clyndomicin is a very potent antibiotic and should be lastly considered due to building a resistance, it's mostly used for cellulitis and other major muscle compartment and skin infections).. Antibiotics can provide drastic and at times almost instantaneous results when combating acne and at times they possess long lasting effects while others claim to never again have any acne flare-up since antibiotic treatment. . Even the application of anti-fungal/antibiotic creams or anti-Androgen shampoos can prove one of the MOST effective responses to target acne, in fact I often advise Mupirocin cream 2% (Use cream base, not oil/petroleum due the the prescience of oil base clogging pours, the cream doesn't seem to have the clogging/congestion effect on the skin) and Ketoconazole shampoo 2%.. The combination of these have proven to be amazing and probably the most dominate treatment application one can employ ..The anti-androgen shampoo targets the receptors in the skin that are hormonal activated triggered by way of DHT (a very potent steroid hormone), bear in mind the catalyst for acne is initially DHT (an androgen) and the sebaceous activity it causes, this shampoo is a reducer and targets the receptors in which sebaceous is activated and the formulated that is responsible for creating acne in most adults that use AAS.. I'm confidant that this very last step mentioned here will provide drastic and noticeable results almost over night in most users. It has been the go-to resort for myself when having AAS induced acne flare-ups, I swear by it.. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: 20mg is a fairly low dose, yes? Is it enough to allow proper suppression? Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Originally Posted By HappyCamel: See if you can find bloodwork from when you were on your current dose and experiencing the acne issue. In the meantime, low dose accutane, anywhere from 5-20mg. You could do 5mg-20mg daily, or space it out if you find resolution. The US warehouse (fast delivery) only has 20mg in stock, so id say order that along with a few months of 10mg from India warehouse so you can get a handle on it fast, meanwhile the 10mg comes in and you can figure out what dose and spacing works for you, and then we figure out what's going on with your bloodwork. https://pctzone.su/shop/?btsf-filter=1&filter_content=isotretinoin&query_type_content=or 20mg is a fairly low dose, yes? Is it enough to allow proper suppression? It's a cool fucking drug tho. The reason it can permanently eliminate acne is because it changes your gene expression in sebaceous cells to lower transcription that produces sebum. Gene therapy from mutant vitamin A. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: Now I have to look into how to get BTC to get it.  Feel free to give me advice. Keep in mind if you purchase a coin "On Base" network it will not make it to the vendor wallet. By using an intermediary non-KYC wallet like Exodus prevents your KYC onboarding place like Cashapp or Coinbase from locking your account when they don't like that your sending coins to randos or flagged wallets |
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I just injected myself in my outer thigh. When I pulled the needle out, blood shot out a good 7-10 inches in a fountain. After the initial spurt, nothing else came out and the hole sealed right away. Am I going to die? But seriously, should I do the same dose and injection on my other thigh, did all the test I injected get squirted out? |
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Originally Posted By Clarinath: I just injected myself in my outer thigh. When I pulled the needle out, blood shot out a good 7-10 inches in a fountain. After the initial spurt, nothing else came out and the hole sealed right away. Am I going to die? But seriously, should I do the same dose and injection on my other thigh, did all the test I injected get squirted out? How much do you inject and how often? Since i switched to 2 times a week sub q, i have not had anything that could even remotely be described as pain. The IM quad stuff hurt, sometimes for days. Also, unless the blood looked "funny" the dosage is in there, dont try to do ot over. |
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Hey fellas I could use some advice, if you think this is an okay bottle. The top is the same bottle I'm drawing from. The bottom is all 3 I have from Rebel Labs USA. It looks a bit cloudy and there's like suspended bubbles, even after heated this one up in a bag for 10 min(dish full of hot tap water). Eta. If I'm right, I can get a filter and move it to another bottle perhaps? Hate to use individual filters the rest of my shots though. Or just keeping rolling like I've been. Or am I already dead? Attached File |
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Originally Posted By jasonm4: Hey fellas I could use some advice, if you think this is an okay bottle. The top is the same bottle I'm drawing from. The bottom is all 3 I have from Rebel. It looks a bit cloudy and there's like suspended bubbles, even after heated this one up in a bag for 10 min(dish full of hot tap water). Eta. If I'm right, I can get a filter and move it to another bottle perhaps? Hate to use individual filters the rest of my shots though. Or just keeping rolling like I've been. Or am I already dead? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/395220/1000012292_jpg-3795701.JPG |
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Originally Posted By jasonm4: Sorry, I edited my post, it's Rebel Labs USA. I'll try shooting them a message today. Originally Posted By jasonm4: Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: Who the F is Rebel? Sorry, I edited my post, it's Rebel Labs USA. I'll try shooting them a message today. $10 coffee mug warmer on Amazon. 130-170 for 5-20min....bet you it goes clear. Shake once or twice as it's sitting. |
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Hot dish of tap water isn't going to work if it's Chinese test cyp that tests out at 270mg/ml. $10 coffee mug warmer on Amazon. 130-170 for 5-20min....bet you it goes clear. Shake once or twice as it's sitting. I'll give it a try and I hope you're right. Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Vague: Years ago I had some crystals start to form in a vial. Heat dissolved them but the Charlie horses over the next week were not fun. |
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Hot dish of tap water isn't going to work if it's Chinese test cyp that tests out at 270mg/ml. $10 coffee mug warmer on Amazon. 130-170 for 5-20min....bet you it goes clear. Shake once or twice as it's sitting. @HappyCamel Well, I got the warmer tonight and put the bottle on there for 20 minutes at 145°F. I was afraid to go much longer or higher because I didn't want to damage the test. It seemed to get better at least. Thanks for the tip. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By jasonm4: @HappyCamel Well, I got the warmer tonight and put the bottle on there for 20 minutes at 145 F. I was afraid to go much longer or higher because I didn't want to damage the test. It seemed to get better at least. Thanks for the tip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/395220/1000012323_jpg-3797722.JPG Originally Posted By jasonm4: Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Hot dish of tap water isn't going to work if it's Chinese test cyp that tests out at 270mg/ml. $10 coffee mug warmer on Amazon. 130-170 for 5-20min....bet you it goes clear. Shake once or twice as it's sitting. @HappyCamel Well, I got the warmer tonight and put the bottle on there for 20 minutes at 145 F. I was afraid to go much longer or higher because I didn't want to damage the test. It seemed to get better at least. Thanks for the tip. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/395220/1000012323_jpg-3797722.JPG |