Low Testosterone: What are the options? UPDATE:Testosterone megathread (Page 432 of 443)
This popped up in my YT feed, looks like .gov is taking a more open minded approach to TRT.  Why Most Doctors Say NO to Testosterone And Why it Might Be Killing you. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam: Got an appt with the local T doc mid-March. 49yo in a couple weeks and got to 1047 naturally with carnivore, but lipids were a little high even for my very modest standards. We'll see what the anti-aging peptide T doc says. Latest test was 410 (2pm) but I'm averaging 540-680 when I test before 9am. ETA: If your total is solid but your free is low, you can try boron to lower SHBG and free up some test. |
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Originally Posted By NAM: This. VA won't touch it unless it's sub-200 (from what I've been hearing). I had a test over a decade ago, came back around 425. VA doc said that's normal, end of story. Few weeks back, I had a test again, mid-400s. VA still won't touch it. Ended up going to a hormone doc a few friends recommended. He said it's common for the VA to refuse TRT or even the tests, unless there's major issues. Originally Posted By NAM: Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: Originally Posted By Clarinath: You are a vet, go to the VA, they love handing out drugs at $11 per prescription. I don't think they are handing out $11 vials of testosterone. I mean, they should be. But they aren't. This. VA won't touch it unless it's sub-200 (from what I've been hearing). I had a test over a decade ago, came back around 425. VA doc said that's normal, end of story. Few weeks back, I had a test again, mid-400s. VA still won't touch it. Ended up going to a hormone doc a few friends recommended. He said it's common for the VA to refuse TRT or even the tests, unless there's major issues. I thought for VA it was under 240, but could be wrong. Last two tests I did were 285 and 295. No way in hell did I want to wait until it was under 240. Would love to get it for free, but damn happy to pay if the alternative was continuing to cry like a little bitch while watching movies or even YouTube videos. 
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For those on Test and HCG, how are you spacing your injections? I'm currently IM pinning .5ml test c once a week on Monday mornings, and recently (maybe 3 weeks ago) started HCG, which I've been sub q pinning .25ml Monday morning after the test c and then the other dose on Thursday morning. Wondering if I should try spacing the HCG out a little, like test c on Monday morning, then HCG on Wednesday and Saturday, or something similar? |
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Originally Posted By AGospelofFireandIron: I decided that, since it requires weekly injections and I fucking HATE needles... I just don't GAF about Test anymore. Not doin' it. Did you ever try? It becomes easier than brushing your teeth, (which you do everyday I hope). |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: For those on Test and HCG, how are you spacing your injections? I'm currently IM pinning .5ml test c once a week on Monday mornings, and recently (maybe 3 weeks ago) started HCG, which I've been sub q pinning .25ml Monday morning after the test c and then the other dose on Thursday morning. Wondering if I should try spacing the HCG out a little, like test c on Monday morning, then HCG on Wednesday and Saturday, or something similar? |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: For those on Test and HCG, how are you spacing your injections? I'm currently IM pinning .5ml test c once a week on Monday mornings, and recently (maybe 3 weeks ago) started HCG, which I've been sub q pinning .25ml Monday morning after the test c and then the other dose on Thursday morning. Wondering if I should try spacing the HCG out a little, like test c on Monday morning, then HCG on Wednesday and Saturday, or something similar? |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: I thought for VA it was under 240, but could be wrong. Last two tests I did were 285 and 295. No way in hell did I want to wait until it was under 240. I could be off as well. Either way, their floor is pretty low; I went through a hormone clinic. Luckily it looks like my private insurance will mostly cover it though...whopping $5 for a ~ 5 week supply. Just waiting for the staff to actually send the rx over; doc is awesome, but his new staff are useless. |
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I've been watching videos trying to learn more about this stuff (testosterone and peptides). Anyway, I was watching a Dave Palumbo video and he says bodybuilders getting ready for competitions commonly inject 750-1000mg of testosterone per week! Needless to say, I was pretty shocked at that number. Who here injects a really high amount of testosterone? And what's the highest test level you have gotten on a blood test? |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: For those on Test and HCG, how are you spacing your injections? I'm currently IM pinning .5ml test c once a week on Monday mornings, and recently (maybe 3 weeks ago) started HCG, which I've been sub q pinning .25ml Monday morning after the test c and then the other dose on Thursday morning. Wondering if I should try spacing the HCG out a little, like test c on Monday morning, then HCG on Wednesday and Saturday, or something similar? I just do both Monday nights and Friday mornings. |
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Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: I've been watching videos trying to learn more about this stuff (testosterone and peptides). Anyway, I was watching a Dave Palumbo video and he says bodybuilders getting ready for competitions commonly inject 750-1000mg of testosterone per week! Needless to say, I was pretty shocked at that number. Who here injects a really high amount of testosterone? And what's the highest test level you have gotten on a blood test? Yea, bodybuilding you talk about Gs not MGs And thats just the test. Now add in the other compounds they run and its a lot of oil |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: For those on Test and HCG, how are you spacing your injections? I'm currently IM pinning .5ml test c once a week on Monday mornings, and recently (maybe 3 weeks ago) started HCG, which I've been sub q pinning .25ml Monday morning after the test c and then the other dose on Thursday morning. Wondering if I should try spacing the HCG out a little, like test c on Monday morning, then HCG on Wednesday and Saturday, or something similar? 100mg test and 250mg HCG. Every Wednesday and either Saturday or Sunday. Whatever day is easier for me due to work schedule. I inject them a minute apart. You def want to do two injections per week. Once a week you are having a peak and trough. |
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Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: I would pin the test more Originally Posted By TheRealSundance: I would pin the test more So maybe break the .5ml into two doses, say .25 on Monday, .25 on Friday? Originally Posted By HappyCamel: How many units of HCG are you using? Not units on the syringe, the dosage in IUs. 6000 IU Originally Posted By Caboose314: I just do both Monday nights and Friday mornings. Gonna try this, switching from Monday morning to Monday evening and Friday morning. As well as breaking the .5ml test into two doses rather than one. Originally Posted By 20229mm: 100mg test and 250mg HCG. Every Wednesday and either Saturday or Sunday. Whatever day is easier for me due to work schedule. I inject them a minute apart. You def want to do two injections per week. Once a week you are having a peak and trough. Yes, twice a week sounds much better gonna switch to that protocol on Monday. |
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: That's not good man. How much liquid did you put in the vial? And if you bough it already reconstituted how.much fluid was in the vial? If you dont know, how many .25ml doses do you get from a vial? |
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So are you guys just getting a more athletic physique or are you halfway to being a bodybuilder? I remember one of you shocked some woman by lifting a concrete barrier in a parking lot so I'm starting to think some of you are hulking out. Just how far do you plan to take this? I want to add more muscles but I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should explore a more aggressive goal.
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Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: So are you guys just getting a more athletic physique or are you halfway to being a bodybuilder? I remember one of you shocked some woman by lifting a concrete barrier in a parking lot so I'm starting to think some of you are hulking out. Just how far do you plan to take this? I want to add more muscles but I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should explore a more aggressive goal. That was me. I’m also on Reta BPC157 TB500 I am down 60lbs since I started Reta. I discussed my goal with my work partner the other day. “So like what’s you end goal?” “I wanna look scary man.” “20229mm, you already look scary…” “Yea. But I want to look huge. Let me put it this way, if a cop pulled me out of a car, I’d want him to recoil back when I stood outside my car.” That’s my goal… in my late 30s HGH is next. |
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Originally Posted By 20229mm: That was me. I’m also on Reta BPC157 TB500 I am down 60lbs since I started Reta. I discussed my goal with my work partner the other day. “So like what’s you end goal?” “I wanna look scary man.” “20229mm, you already look scary…” “Yea. But I want to look huge. Let me put it this way, if a cop pulled me out of a car, I’d want him to recoil back when I stood outside my car.” That’s my goal… in my late 30s HGH is next. Originally Posted By 20229mm: Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: So are you guys just getting a more athletic physique or are you halfway to being a bodybuilder? I remember one of you shocked some woman by lifting a concrete barrier in a parking lot so I'm starting to think some of you are hulking out. Just how far do you plan to take this? I want to add more muscles but I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should explore a more aggressive goal. That was me. I’m also on Reta BPC157 TB500 I am down 60lbs since I started Reta. I discussed my goal with my work partner the other day. “So like what’s you end goal?” “I wanna look scary man.” “20229mm, you already look scary…” “Yea. But I want to look huge. Let me put it this way, if a cop pulled me out of a car, I’d want him to recoil back when I stood outside my car.” That’s my goal… in my late 30s HGH is next. I was kind of thinking that was you but wasn't sure. So testosterone and HGH are the holy grail? Well, and reta to lose weight. Find and post an internet pic of what you actually hope to look like. And make it something reasonable, not a pic of a bodybuilder on stage accepting his trophy.
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: That's not good man. How much liquid did you put in the vial? Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: No, the bottle is 6000IU, I inject .25ml per dose. How much is that per dose in IU, I have no idea, I'm not a wizard They (TRT Nation) sent a vial of BAC water, I put the amount of BAC water they specified into the HCG vial. Don't recall now exactly how much it was, will have to check on that the next HCG refill. |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: They (TRT Nation) sent a vial of BAC water, I put the amount of BAC water they specified into the HCG vial. Don't recall now exactly how much it was, will have to check on that the next HCG refill. Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: No, the bottle is 6000IU, I inject .25ml per dose. How much is that per dose in IU, I have no idea, I'm not a wizard They (TRT Nation) sent a vial of BAC water, I put the amount of BAC water they specified into the HCG vial. Don't recall now exactly how much it was, will have to check on that the next HCG refill. |
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Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: So are you guys just getting a more athletic physique or are you halfway to being a bodybuilder? I remember one of you shocked some woman by lifting a concrete barrier in a parking lot so I'm starting to think some of you are hulking out. Just how far do you plan to take this? I want to add more muscles but I'm starting to wonder if maybe I should explore a more aggressive goal. TRT levels of testosterone are well below what guys are juicing for gym gains, in general. I did an abbreviated cycle of deca probably 25 years ago. Gains were incredible, appetite shot through the roof, weights kept going up at the gym, got floppy dick and a bit emotional. Had to stop after just 5 weeks because I was getting too aggressive and almost tore my little brothers head off (although he probably deserved it). Currently at 100mg week of test c and it's made a world of difference, but I'm 55, had test levels of 285 and 295 before starting. Joints and muscles were hurting and not healing up well, low energy, felt crappy, low libido, crying like a little bitch watching movies and even youtube. Putting on weight and no motivation or energy to go to the gym. 3 months in joints feel better, fucked up shoulder feels better than it has in years, hitting the gym, feel better, look better, sleep better, emotions in check, libido better. Not trying to get a bodybuilder physique, but after 35 years of working out muscle memory or whatever it's called kicked in and the muscles came back pretty easily and noticeable. This fucking gut though, not sure how in the fuck I'm gonna get rid of it. It's a stubborn son of a bitch |
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Can you go look at their instructions? The reason I'm asking is I've seen TRT clinic HCG protocols range from completely ineffective to problematic Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: No, the bottle is 6000IU, I inject .25ml per dose. How much is that per dose in IU, I have no idea, I'm not a wizard They (TRT Nation) sent a vial of BAC water, I put the amount of BAC water they specified into the HCG vial. Don't recall now exactly how much it was, will have to check on that the next HCG refill. They sent the vial of BAC water and the vial of HCG in their own blue medicine bottles and the HCG bottle has the instructions for reconstituting, which was with 6ml of BAC water. And the HCG itself is 6ml, 6000 IU and dosage is .25ml sub q twice a week. How does that sound? |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: They sent the vial of BAC water and the vial of HCG in their own blue medicine bottles and the HCG bottle has the instructions for reconstituting, which was with 6ml of BAC water. And the HCG itself is 6ml, 6000 IU and dosage is .25ml sub q twice a week. How does that sound? Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: No, the bottle is 6000IU, I inject .25ml per dose. How much is that per dose in IU, I have no idea, I'm not a wizard They (TRT Nation) sent a vial of BAC water, I put the amount of BAC water they specified into the HCG vial. Don't recall now exactly how much it was, will have to check on that the next HCG refill. They sent the vial of BAC water and the vial of HCG in their own blue medicine bottles and the HCG bottle has the instructions for reconstituting, which was with 6ml of BAC water. And the HCG itself is 6ml, 6000 IU and dosage is .25ml sub q twice a week. How does that sound? Perfect! So that means 1000iu per ml. Or 250iu per .25ml. 250iu I'd say is a standard dose, but about as low as you'd want to go. Also 2x a week is suboptimal. With the half life of HCG you'd want to be injecting 250iu minimum of 3x a week, or every other day. Finally, HCG degrades pretty rapidly in potency. To be general, say 20% by end of month 1, and probably well approaching 30% by month 2. Based on your dosage and frequency that vial will last 3 months... So what does this mean? Well it depends why you're taking HCG. If you're done having kids, having an optimal HCG protocol to try to maintain testicular health isn't that critical. If you're just doing this to try to ward off testicular atrophy, maintain loads, and optimize the feelings of well being and neurosteroid levels, what you're doing isn't atrocious, although definitely not optimal. So next question is why are you taking HCG and then I'll tell you how to fix your protocol. |
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Perfect! So that means 1000iu per ml. Or 250iu per .25ml. 250iu I'd say is a standard dose, but about as low as you'd want to go. Also 2x a week is suboptimal. With the half life of HCG you'd want to be injecting 250iu minimum of 3x a week, or every other day. Finally, HCG degrades pretty rapidly in potency. To be general, say 20% by end of month 1, and probably well approaching 30% by month 2. Based on your dosage and frequency that vial will last 3 months... So what does this mean? Well it depends why you're taking HCG. If you're done having kids, having an optimal HCG protocol to try to maintain testicular health isn't that critical. If you're just doing this to try to ward off testicular atrophy, maintain loads, and optimize the feelings of well being and neurosteroid levels, what you're doing isn't atrocious, although definitely not optimal. So next question is why are you taking HCG and then I'll tell you how to fix your protocol. I'll bite if he doesn't.... I am not taking HCG at the moment, although I would like to be. I'm on TRT and have definitely had some shrinkage / reduced loads I'd like to reverse. |
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Well I went with plan C a local low cost low T "clinic". Ugh. 1 person office referenced the Dr. I 3rd person, glanced at lab work and said oh yeah you qualify while running CC. I might have not chosen the best option. I was put on 200ml once a week and do blood again in 4 weeks. Not sure what route to follow next, go back, go online or go grey.  Did I mention the meds provided are 4ml in a unlabeled 5ml vial. This should probably be a giant red flag or is it semi-normal? |
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Originally Posted By AWMCoalition: Well I went with plan C a local low cost low T "clinic". Ugh. 1 person office referenced the Dr. I 3rd person, glanced at lab work and said oh yeah you qualify while running CC. I might have not chosen the best option. I was put on 200ml once a week and do blood again in 4 weeks. Not sure what route to follow next, go back, go online or go grey. Did I mention the meds provided are 4ml in a unlabeled 5ml vial. This should probably be a giant red flag or is it semi-normal? As far as I know, all of these are "compounded". In most cases it's just rehydrating it from powder, but I suppose my blend 160/40 might be mixed to spec. My bottles have my prescription information applied as a sticker, but I'm using Empower. They're a fairly large operation I believe. Your lab might not have a printer for vial stickers, or it's just down or something. Either way, I'd say "yellow flag" at worst - the drugs arrive in a different form and the pharmacy repackages them. It doesn't seem super professional to me not to have branded stickers (the setup is <$500), but if they're only selling through their own clinic they probably just haven't bothered. |
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Originally Posted By SimonPhoto: I only have experience with one supplier, but it doesn't strike me as *that* odd. As far as I know, all of these are "compounded". In most cases it's just rehydrating it from powder, but I suppose my blend 160/40 might be mixed to spec. My bottles have my prescription information applied as a sticker, but I'm using Empower. They're a fairly large operation I believe. Your lab might not have a printer for vial stickers, or it's just down or something. Either way, I'd say "yellow flag" at worst - the drugs arrive in a different form and the pharmacy repackages them. It doesn't seem super professional to me not to have branded stickers (the setup is <$500), but if they're only selling through their own clinic they probably just haven't bothered. Definitely a yellow flag vibe. Blood work should tell the truth. The other thing i find odd based upon my reading is that a 200 ml should cause some ups and downs after a week, but I didn't notice anything. We'll expect the night of the first dose I felt like a teenager, the urge of OMG I need to get some, vs tired leave me alone, theirby getting none, just like being a teenager again.  |
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Originally Posted By AWMCoalition: Definitely a yellow flag vibe. Blood work should tell the truth. The other thing i find odd based upon my reading is that a 200 ml should cause some ups and downs after a week, but I didn't notice anything. We'll expect the night of the first dose I felt like a teenager, the urge of OMG I need to get some, vs tired leave me alone, theirby getting none, just like being a teenager again. Sorry, but that was mental. It doesn’t work that fast. Unless that place is giving you test suspension, and still not even sure with that |
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Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: I was kind of thinking that was you but wasn't sure. So testosterone and HGH are the holy grail? Well, and reta to lose weight. Find and post an internet pic of what you actually hope to look like. And make it something reasonable, not a pic of a bodybuilder on stage accepting his trophy.So tonight we watched bad boys 2 at work. So sorta wanna look like Henry Rollins or the other swat guy. I also searched “jacked dad bod” and came up with a pic. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 20229mm: So tonight we watched bad boys 2 at work. So sorta wanna look like Henry Rollins or the other swat guy. I also searched “jacked dad bod” and came up with a pic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/438654/IMG_1766_jpeg-3704796.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/438654/IMG_1764_jpeg-3704795.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/438654/IMG_1765_png-3704797.JPG That looks like a good, reasonable goal. Healthy and strong but not freakish. @20229mm |
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Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: That looks like a good, reasonable goal. Healthy and strong but not freakish. @20229mm I’m 39. I am not gonna be Arnold or have a 6 pack. Started at 350 back in July. Down to 285 today. This is me back at 300Attached File |
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Perfect! So that means 1000iu per ml. Or 250iu per .25ml. 250iu I'd say is a standard dose, but about as low as you'd want to go. Also 2x a week is suboptimal. With the half life of HCG you'd want to be injecting 250iu minimum of 3x a week, or every other day. Finally, HCG degrades pretty rapidly in potency. To be general, say 20% by end of month 1, and probably well approaching 30% by month 2. Based on your dosage and frequency that vial will last 3 months... ...ward off testicular atrophy, maintain loads, and optimize the feelings of well being and neurosteroid levels, what you're doing isn't atrocious, although definitely not optimal. So next question is why are you taking HCG and then I'll tell you how to fix your protocol. Started HCG for the reasons in red. Definitely open to EOD, but not sure I can just order more if I run out early. Using TRT Nation it seems like I can't even log onto their website until it's time to refill. Also, wasn't aware of how much HCG degrades, thanks for that! Another point in favor of EOD. |
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Originally Posted By NAM: I could be off as well. Either way, their floor is pretty low; I went through a hormone clinic. Luckily it looks like my private insurance will mostly cover it though...whopping $5 for a ~ 5 week supply. Just waiting for the staff to actually send the rx over; doc is awesome, but his new staff are useless. Originally Posted By NAM: Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: I thought for VA it was under 240, but could be wrong. Last two tests I did were 285 and 295. No way in hell did I want to wait until it was under 240. I could be off as well. Either way, their floor is pretty low; I went through a hormone clinic. Luckily it looks like my private insurance will mostly cover it though...whopping $5 for a ~ 5 week supply. Just waiting for the staff to actually send the rx over; doc is awesome, but his new staff are useless. When it comes to testosterone the VA is a shit show. They let me drop below 50 and then said yup it’s time. I went outside the VA an couldn’t be happier. |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: Started HCG for the reasons in red. Definitely open to EOD, but not sure I can just order more if I run out early. Using TRT Nation it seems like I can't even log onto their website until it's time to refill. Also, wasn't aware of how much HCG degrades, thanks for that! Another point in favor of EOD. Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: Originally Posted By HappyCamel: Perfect! So that means 1000iu per ml. Or 250iu per .25ml. 250iu I'd say is a standard dose, but about as low as you'd want to go. Also 2x a week is suboptimal. With the half life of HCG you'd want to be injecting 250iu minimum of 3x a week, or every other day. Finally, HCG degrades pretty rapidly in potency. To be general, say 20% by end of month 1, and probably well approaching 30% by month 2. Based on your dosage and frequency that vial will last 3 months... ...ward off testicular atrophy, maintain loads, and optimize the feelings of well being and neurosteroid levels, what you're doing isn't atrocious, although definitely not optimal. So next question is why are you taking HCG and then I'll tell you how to fix your protocol. Started HCG for the reasons in red. Definitely open to EOD, but not sure I can just order more if I run out early. Using TRT Nation it seems like I can't even log onto their website until it's time to refill. Also, wasn't aware of how much HCG degrades, thanks for that! Another point in favor of EOD. ETA: You can pre-fill and freeze insulin pins. Take out of freezer about 5min before injecting. Works great, just a little time consuming to do all at once. It's what I did before upgrading to pens for everything. |
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Originally Posted By 20229mm: I’m 39. I am not gonna be Arnold or have a 6 pack. Started at 350 back in July. Down to 285 today. This is me back at 300https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/438654/IMG_1768_png-3704850.JPG It's great that you lost so much weight! I finally got my testosterone shipment yesterday (it was delayed a week due to weather). My reta was supposed to be delivered today but something happened and it now says it will be delivered 'soon'. |
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Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: It's great that you lost so much weight! I finally got my testosterone shipment yesterday (it was delayed a week due to weather). My reta was supposed to be delivered today but something happened and it now says it will be delivered 'soon'. Originally Posted By CapedCrusader: Originally Posted By 20229mm: I’m 39. I am not gonna be Arnold or have a 6 pack. Started at 350 back in July. Down to 285 today. This is me back at 300https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/438654/IMG_1768_png-3704850.JPG It's great that you lost so much weight! I finally got my testosterone shipment yesterday (it was delayed a week due to weather). My reta was supposed to be delivered today but something happened and it now says it will be delivered 'soon'. Thanks. I went from a 46 waist to a 40. Just went Jean shopping today. That was frustrating as hell. Mostly due to my near autistic love for a certain color |
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Originally Posted By BlackheartActual: TRT levels of testosterone are well below what guys are juicing for gym gains, in general. I did an abbreviated cycle of deca probably 25 years ago. Gains were incredible, appetite shot through the roof, weights kept going up at the gym, got floppy dick and a bit emotional. Had to stop after just 5 weeks because I was getting too aggressive and almost tore my little brothers head off (although he probably deserved it). Currently at 100mg week of test c and it's made a world of difference, but I'm 55, had test levels of 285 and 295 before starting. Joints and muscles were hurting and not healing up well, low energy, felt crappy, low libido, crying like a little bitch watching movies and even youtube. Putting on weight and no motivation or energy to go to the gym. 3 months in joints feel better, fucked up shoulder feels better than it has in years, hitting the gym, feel better, look better, sleep better, emotions in check, libido better. Not trying to get a bodybuilder physique, but after 35 years of working out muscle memory or whatever it's called kicked in and the muscles came back pretty easily and noticeable. This fucking gut though, not sure how in the fuck I'm gonna get rid of it. It's a stubborn son of a bitch |
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Originally Posted By SimonPhoto: I only have experience with one supplier, but it doesn't strike me as *that* odd. As far as I know, all of these are "compounded". In most cases it's just rehydrating it from powder, but I suppose my blend 160/40 might be mixed to spec. My bottles have my prescription information applied as a sticker, but I'm using Empower. They're a fairly large operation I believe. Your lab might not have a printer for vial stickers, or it's just down or something. Either way, I'd say "yellow flag" at worst - the drugs arrive in a different form and the pharmacy repackages them. It doesn't seem super professional to me not to have branded stickers (the setup is <$500), but if they're only selling through their own clinic they probably just haven't bothered. Sounds like they are buying large vials(30 or 50ml) and transferring them to small vials for a huge markup. |
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Originally Posted By Hoji: Do pellets. Originally Posted By Hoji: Originally Posted By AGospelofFireandIron: I decided that, since it requires weekly injections and I fucking HATE needles... I just don't GAF about Test anymore. Not doin' it. Do pellets. Or get that air injector device. |
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