Posted: 6/5/2026 1:20:04 PM EDT
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Not sure if "locking out" is the correct term or not but basically making a floyd rose a hard tail completely eliminating the springs. I have a stop that keeps the floyd from raising pitch and I have "noiseless" springs in it. I play metal with high gain active seymour duncan mortal coil pickups and a big part of my style is rests with quick stops and starts. I don't really notice it while playing but when recording myself and listening back I get a little noise which appears to be caused by the springs of the floyd rose. I use Jackson guitars specifically a Rhoads. The jackson necks work very well for my small hands LOL. Long term I will most likely buy a higher end Jackson with a fixed hard tail bridge, but for now this is what I have. I was thinking a hard wood block on the opposite side of the current stop I have would completely lock it in place along with some adhesive so the block can't move, but I'm not sure this would allow the complete removal of the springs. I've also tried stuffing foam in there which helps but I'd like to completely eliminate any noise during my quick stops. I have verified the noise isn't actual string noise or unintentional harmonics cause by my fretting hand quickly muting the strings I'm positive it's the result of the springs of the floyd rose. Any ideas besides get a hard tail guitar lol? |
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Good god, no, man. Sell it and buy the guitar you want. Don't ruin a whole guitar and a floyd rose. If you really want to, a block of something hard between the body and bridge in the back will prevent the bridge from moving. An old trick is to use playing cards to keep the bridge in place while changing the strings. You probably want something more stout like a block of hardwood sanded down to the correct size and wedged in. You need the springs to hold the bridge in the body and counteract the tension on the strings. If you think they're making noise, wrap them with heat shrink or something. |
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Originally Posted By giantpune: Good god, no, man. Sell it and buy the guitar you want. Don't ruin a whole guitar and a floyd rose. If you really want to, a block of something hard between the body and bridge in the back will prevent the bridge from moving. An old trick is to use playing cards to keep the bridge in place while changing the strings. You probably want something more stout like a block of hardwood sanded down to the correct size and wedged in. You need the springs to hold the bridge in the body and counteract the tension on the strings. If you think they're making noise, wrap them with heat shrink or something. Why would it ruin the whole guitar? I understand how a floating trem works with the string tension and spring tension being balanced so the floyd slits flat and the intonation is dead nuts on. You can hear what I'm talking about on this song of mine here. It's not a huge noticeable thing, but I know it's there and it annoys me. https://youtu.be/hEkZS5TTvyQ?si=FuCUnkZyrBnCQ4gs |
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Originally Posted By lefty-weaver-g19: Why would it ruin the whole guitar? Whenever you start talking about adhesives, you are talking about things that can't easily be undone. Either you can't completely remove them, or removing them is a destructive process. If you think its the springs vibrating, stuff them with rubber hose from the parts store or felt or something. Stuff a du-rag in the back plate or something. Leave the glue out of it. |
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Originally Posted By giantpune: Whenever you start talking about adhesives, you are talking about things that can't easily be undone. Either you can't completely remove them, or removing them is a destructive process. If you think its the springs vibrating, stuff them with rubber hose from the parts store or felt or something. Stuff a du-rag in the back plate or something. Leave the glue out of it. I get it. I wasn't thinking of a strong adhesive just something strong enough to make sure the block of wood couldn't move around. It's a floyd rose special in an X series guitar so not a big deal if I ruined it wanting to go back to a whammy as I would probably upgrade to a better version of the Floyd at that time anyway. The special with the block I have now keeping it from going sharp solved my tuning issues as the special never really wanted to "return to zero" if I had fun with it anyway. I could have upgraded to a better version of the floyd now, but that wouldn't solve the slight spring sound. I suppose I'll just leave it as is until I decide to spend $2000+ on a better model jackson rhoads. Oddly all of their midrange $800 to $1000 rhoads guitars have floyds. Only their entry models and the high end models have the hard tail option. I've only been playing for just over 5 months now so I'd rather focus on improving my playing and song writing rather than keep spending money on gear. Full disclosure I played about 10 years when I was a kid into my lower 20's. I sold everything and focused on a better job and buying a home. I bought another guitar at about 30-31 years old and played for about a year until I met my wife. At that time I wanted to focus on other things along with having our daughter so I sold that guitar and amp. Now I'm 52 and just restarted again after about 20 years without touching a guitar. I have a decent knowledge of music and the things I need to practice, but I certainly have a lot of work to do to make my hands do what my mind knows they should do LOL. |
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So you have something like this blocking the trem from pulling up AKA Dimebag and you want to keep it from divebombing? Sure, make a shim out of whatever you want and tape it in there. It won't hurt anything. Attached File And for what it's worth I don't hear what you're hearing and I think your song is pretty cool. |
| I had hand fitted alder blocks on both side of the Floyd Rose 1000 block and secured each block to the body with a drop of glue so it easy to remove, but they would not fall out. Great for alt tunings on the fly. Not hard at all. Only got rid of the Hellraiser Extreme it was on bc it was north of 10lbs. |
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Originally Posted By giantpune: I think we discovered the issue.  The indian blaming his arrow. Surely there's a knob on your amp or guitar you can turn that makes it not do the thing its doing. Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By lefty-weaver-g19: I've only been playing for just over 5 months now I think we discovered the issue. The indian blaming his arrow. Surely there's a knob on your amp or guitar you can turn that makes it not do the thing its doing. I'm not your normal 5-month player. This is exactly the reason I added the details in my previous post that may have seemed off topic or unnecessary as I predicted this exact reply before it happened. Admittedly I'm not very good as I'm still nowhere near where I was when I was 16 covering Randy Rhoads solos. I've still got some very old low-quality videos of me playing solos like those from over the mountain, crazy train, revelation mother earth etc. from way back in my youth. I've even got about an hour worth of songs and solos I performed when I was a teenager on an old cassette I recorded on a 4 track to reference and compare to where I am now. Physically I was light years ahead of where I am now. In some ways I am better though as far as musical maturity and realizing some of the simplest riffs are actually amazing. It's a well-known issue with high gain and floyd rose equiped guitars. Professionals' way beyond either of us have the same issue which led to the creation of "noiseless" springs in the first place which do reduce but not eliminate the problem. It's also why some of my favorite metal players play Floyd equipped guitars live but use hard tail guitars in the studio. Here is a song that I wrote and recorded when I had only been playing just over 3 months. You will not listen to it and will continue to make assumptions. I wrote the music for all instruments and played all the guitar parts. The bass and drums I programmed with midi as I'm one guy in my bedroom. I am working with a drummer currently for future projects and may buy a bass and start playing my own bass parts as well in the near future. Lyrics also written by me, but I used AI to create the vocals with my lyrics. Little guitar solo at the beginning even. How many 3 month long players have learned how to use a DAW, program all instruments, and write entire songs? Probably not many. Link to the song I wrote and recorded after 3 months of playing is here Let's be honest we do this for ourselves no one else gives a fuck about our music. With that in mind I constantly record and listen to my own playing to self-evaluate. I've noticed lots of things I would have never noticed while just playing had I not recorded it and listened objectively. I even record some of my actual warm-up technique practices running exercises and scales just to listen back and see what I notice that I didn't notice while playing. I'm highly motivated playing 4 hours a day with nearly half of that being exercises and techniques with a specific plan with guidance of an online instructor. Mock me all you want. |
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Originally Posted By Gigity: So you have something like this blocking the trem from pulling up AKA Dimebag and you want to keep it from divebombing? Sure, make a shim out of whatever you want and tape it in there. It won't hurt anything. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/242395/IMG_1937_jpeg-3774032.JPG And for what it's worth I don't hear what you're hearing and I think your song is pretty cool. Thank you! What I have now is exactly like what you posted but from a different manufacturer. This solved my tuning issue with the cheap floyd rose special but didn't completely eliminate the little spring noise. It is indeed very minor and during the vocal parts and other instruments playing in the full song context 99.9% of folks would never notice, but I know it's there and it bugs me LOL. |
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Originally Posted By Czechers: I had hand fitted alder blocks on both side of the Floyd Rose 1000 block and secured each block to the body with a drop of glue so it easy to remove, but they would not fall out. Great for alt tunings on the fly. Not hard at all. Only got rid of the Hellraiser Extreme it was on bc it was north of 10lbs. Thank you! I think I'll try something with a tiny amount of adhesive just to see if it will work and allow me to remove the springs. I really wish there was a fixed bridge with fine tuners like a floyd as I do like the fine tuners and the way the bridge feels with my hand when palm muting. I need to go to guitar center and play some of the hard tail guitars and see how they feel as I have my palm rested on the bridge a lot. I want to make sure I can get used to that and like it before spending big money on a nice guitar with that style of bridge. |
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Originally Posted By lefty-weaver-g19: Thank you! I think I'll try something with a tiny amount of adhesive just to see if it will work and allow me to remove the springs. I really wish there was a fixed bridge with fine tuners like a floyd as I do like the fine tuners and the way the bridge feels with my hand when palm muting. I need to go to guitar center and play some of the hard tail guitars and see how they feel as I have my palm rested on the bridge a lot. I want to make sure I can get used to that and like it before spending big money on a nice guitar with that style of bridge. There was briefly a "feaux Floyd" fixed bridge made on a signature model guitar I think for one of the players in one of the OG metal masters (Slayer maybe?). I have searched and can't find it. At the time I saw it I recall trying to find out if they were for sale somewhere with no luck. I believe it was on a Jackson or ESP model. ETA: it's a Jackson MTB HT6 hardtail bridge on the Mick Thompson Solosit SL2 (Slipknot): https://eddiesguitars.com/product/electric/electric-guitar-categories/solid-body-electric-guitars/jackson-pro-series-signature-mick-thomson-soloist-sl2-ebony-fingerboard-arctic-white/ Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Czechers: There was briefly a "feaux Floyd" fixed bridge made on a signature model guitar I think for one of the players in one of the OG metal masters (Slayer maybe?). I have searched and can't find it. At the time I saw it I recall trying to find out if they were for sale somewhere with no luck. I believe it was on a Jackson or ESP model. ETA: it's a Jackson MTB HT6 hardtail bridge on the Mick Thompson Solosit SL2 (Slipknot): https://eddiesguitars.com/product/electric/electric-guitar-categories/solid-body-electric-guitars/jackson-pro-series-signature-mick-thomson-soloist-sl2-ebony-fingerboard-arctic-white/ https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/300247/266_jpg-3774341.JPG Looking at this used one on Reverb, I think it would be easy to make. Use the tremolo block screws to mount a stabilizing plate. Since there is a cavity underneath for guitars routed for a an FR, you need to be a bit more creative with the plate design OR just make a small bracket that goes where the springs are solidly connects the body to the tremolo block. Now before anyone says "why not just get one of the off the shelf adustable "stops" already on the market, this would get rid of the springs and give the trem block more firm contact with the body. We like that, right? Make the plate out of steel or brass for best result? Attached File Regular FR for comparison: Attached File |
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Originally Posted By RickFinsta: It's your guitar, make it a hard tail if you want to; have a luthier plug everything and refit it with a hardtail bridge. My guitar teacher (when I was a kid) had to do this on his '66 Tele because some retard put a Floyd Rose on it. Paul Gilbert...paging Dr. Gilbert... 
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I have the Futone noisless springs in my Ibanez S. They work as advertised. https://www.fu-tone.com/product-category/spring-upgrades/ |
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