Posted: 4/21/2024 5:57:42 PM EDT
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Gents, I'd like to add a med kit to my belt. Right now I only carry a SOFTT TQ on my concealed vest. We are issued a Sam Browne belt, 2.5" wide, and honestly there is not much room left on mine. I found a HDGI blowout pouch that I bought years ago and never used (https://www.highspeedgear.com/12bp00-12bp10). Thinking of rigging it for a belt mount and putting stuff in. It's pretty small. What do you gents carry on the belt as far as med supplies? |
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Gloves (multiples) in my pants pocket, tourniquet on the belt, and BFG micro trauma kit on the inside ankle of the right foot. One IFAK and tourniquet on my plate carrier and two more IFAKs in the car; one in each front door pocket. |
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| Can you wear an outer carrier? I currently have a North American Rescue ROO on my carrier. It really is low profile for what it contains. Sadly, I have heard other agencies' administrators say pouches like that look too "tactical". I'm sorry, but I don't care what I look like as long as I have an improved chance of staying alive. Dead and not tactical looking is not a better alternative. |
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Originally Posted By dawg69: Can you wear an outer carrier? I currently have a North American Rescue ROO on my carrier. It really is low profile for what it contains. Sadly, I have heard other agencies' administrators say pouches like that look too "tactical". I'm sorry, but I don't care what I look like as long as I have an improved chance of staying alive. Dead and not tactical looking is not a better alternative. No outer carriers for us. |
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For regular patrol use I run a CAT TQ in a kydex case on my belt and a pack of combat gauze and a chest seal in my uniform shirt pocket. I am also a firefighter/ EMT, a TCCC instructor, and have a small business teaching basic trauma medicine. Those three items are generally what I recommend for a minimalist's kit to last until more help arrives in most situations. No bulk required. ETA - I would strongly evaluate and practice your ability to quickly and effectively apply a SOF-T one handed. |
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Originally Posted By LifeSTAR: For regular patrol use I run a CAT TQ in a kydex case on my belt and a pack of combat gauze and a chest seal in my uniform shirt pocket. I am also a firefighter/ EMT, a TCCC instructor, and have a small business teaching basic trauma medicine. Those three items are generally what I recommend for a minimalist's kit to last until more help arrives in most situations. No bulk required. Thank you. I was thinking of a 4" olaes, a TQ, and 2 chest seals. What do you think? |
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Olaes are great dressings that are very versatile but they don’t pack very small. If you really want to carry a trauma pressure dressing on your person I’d look for a simple ace bandage style one that is “flat” packed. Care under fire and tactical field care interventions are supposed to be quick and basic until care can be transferred to higher level and more equipped personnel. If we’re looking to have stuff available for buddy aid, I Get wanting to have more stuff, but our primary focus is to stop whatever threat caused the injuries first. A good med kit close by is golden. If we’re talking self aid, we need to be realistic about the injuries we expect to be able to self treat and our ability to do so with that injury. Psychologically and physiologically, you're not gonna be great wound packing or wrapping a pressure dressing, especially one handed. How much of your own back can you see/ reach to accurately apply a chest seal to, etc. Critical comms to the people coming to help you are arguably as or more important than significant ongoing attempts at self aid. |
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Originally Posted By LifeSTAR: Olaes are great dressings that are very versatile but they don’t pack very small. If you really want to carry a trauma pressure dressing on your person I’d look for a simple ace bandage style one that is “flat” packed. Care under fire and tactical field care interventions are supposed to be quick and basic until care can be transferred to higher level and more equipped personnel. If we’re looking to have stuff available for buddy aid, I Get wanting to have more stuff, but our primary focus is to stop whatever threat caused the injuries first. A good med kit close by is golden. If we’re talking self aid, we need to be realistic about the injuries we expect to be able to self treat and our ability to do so with that injury. Psychologically and physiologically, you're not gonna be great wound packing or wrapping a pressure dressing, especially one handed. How much of your own back can you see/ reach to accurately apply a chest seal to, etc. Critical comms to the people coming to help you are arguably as or more important than significant ongoing attempts at self aid. Thank you. This is very helpful. You are correct in your assessment, and I'm taking your advice. |
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This is what I carry, small of my back, on the belt...pouch, plus a self built med kit. Low pro...I carry a TQ on my belt as well. https://store.itstactical.com/products/edc-slimline-pouch |
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Originally Posted By AndBen: This is what I carry, small of my back, on the belt...pouch, plus a self built med kit. Low pro...I carry a TQ on my belt as well. https://store.itstactical.com/products/edc-slimline-pouch Nice pouch, and the price is right! What's in your self-built med kit? |
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Originally Posted By batjka104: Nice pouch, and the price is right! What's in your self-built med kit? Sorry, just saw this. -duct tape flat roll -SWAT-T TQ -QuickClot dressing -gloves -compressed gauze ETA: I wear a suit and work federal executive protection, so trying to stay low pro is the goal |
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Originally Posted By batjka104: We are not issued cargo pants. Besides, I hate stuff flopping against my thigh and knee. My belt was pretty much full. Once we went to outer carriers I suppose we could have mandated carrying on the vest, but they really wanted a more streamlined appearance on the carrier, especially after some guys went crazy and started hanging everything on the vest except the kitchen sink |
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I carry a TQ on my holster, multiple pairs of gloves in my pockets, and I carry a Dark Angel blue line pocket DARK in my cargo pocket. Also have extra TQ's and med supplies in the car. Dark Angel is great because you can use HSA funds to purchase. |
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Originally Posted By GSAR426: I carry a TQ on my holster, multiple pairs of gloves in my pockets, and I carry a Dark Angel blue line pocket DARK in my cargo pocket. Also have extra TQ's and med supplies in the car. Dark Angel is great because you can use HSA funds to purchase. THis but the blue line is inside my outer carrier. |
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I'm not a fan of carrying a bunch of crap. Especially on my belt. Years ago I bought a tourniquet pouch that also has room for a quikclot gauze packet inside of it. I think the 1110gear SABA pouch is the 'new' iteration of it. I'm pretty sure I have their original design. Its probably about 13-14 years old now. I keep a pair of latex gloves in my right back pocket. For bigger med kits they are kept in the car to be grabbed/deployed as needed. In general I like keeping a small med kit along with latex gloves in my driver's door. If I know its a medical call I can grab those gloves as primary and if I know I'll need a small med kit I could grab that first. Keep a full officer down med kit in the back in a 'messenger bag'. |
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Originally Posted By Mopseydocks6014: Take a TCCC class and you'll learn about everything you need on your belt. This. ETA- your EMT training is now outdated, and not the same as what you’ll need/have available on an IFAK anyways. They really are 2 different responses TCCC provides by a modern updated provider will let you know what you’ll need for your level of care. |
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I’m not LEO but I picked up one of these for my range bag and it’s smaller than it looks. It was recommended by a firefighter friend who treated plenty of GSW in his career. $165 |
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Chest seals, Combat Gauze, and NAR Mini dressing my cargo pocket and a SOFTTW TQ and mini shears on my ankle. Always have gloves in a back pocket somewhere. Can't wear a CAT on my ankle; velcro grabs the pants. Not ideal, but if you're not wearing an external vest it's about the only way. Plate carrier has a full IFAK with two CATs on it. |
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I've tried a LOT of TQ pouches and I never end up liking it on my belt. I just don't have the space and it is hard to access with both hands unless its up front. This is how I now carry my TQ and its been awesome: https://centrifugetraining.com/product/holster-accessory-mount/ Add the rigid TQ pouch. Beyond that, I use the Blue Force Gear small IFAK in black. In it, I have a pack of hemostatic gauze (Chito), 2x small chest seals, needle, and a SWAT-T plus tape. I don't love the SWAT-T...but I can build a pressure dressing out of it. I need more gauze to do any real work...but it is what it is. It fits on my belt, over my left hip, behind my radio. https://www.blueforcegear.com/micro-trauma-kit YMMV. |
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Originally Posted By FedDC: This is how I now carry my TQ and its been awesome: https://centrifugetraining.com/product/holster-accessory-mount/ Add the rigid TQ pouch. YMMV. A lot our our guys are carrying a holster-mounted TQ pouch. Some idiot mounted it in the way that prevented him from drawing his gun (I don't know how that's possible). So now everyone with these pouches had to go to the dept armorer to have it checked. And it now has to be installed by a dept armorer for those who want it |
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Originally Posted By batjka104: A lot our our guys are carrying a holster-mounted TQ pouch. Some idiot mounted it in the way that prevented him from drawing his gun (I don't know how that's possible). So now everyone with these pouches had to go to the dept armorer to have it checked. And it now has to be installed by a dept armorer for those who want it Originally Posted By batjka104: Originally Posted By FedDC: This is how I now carry my TQ and its been awesome: https://centrifugetraining.com/product/holster-accessory-mount/ Add the rigid TQ pouch. YMMV. A lot our our guys are carrying a holster-mounted TQ pouch. Some idiot mounted it in the way that prevented him from drawing his gun (I don't know how that's possible). So now everyone with these pouches had to go to the dept armorer to have it checked. And it now has to be installed by a dept armorer for those who want it Yeah, we had a policy commando try to freak out on “ZOMG HOLSTER MODIFICATION WILL KILL YOU LOSE YOUR GUN END OF THE WORLD”. We all ignored him because he’s totally ignorant on gear and can’t shoot. I will say…when adding the adapter to the Safariland holster, you need blue locktite and some common sense to use spacers with proper tension on the right length screws. It’s not hard…unless you are naive to Allen wrenches. |
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We had an IFAK that we carried in a cargo pocket There was a very minimal first aid kit in the patrol cars Our medical equipment was pitiful |
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Not sure if already mentioned, but Snakestaff SystemsTQs are a good micro/minimalist TQ option. https://www.snakestaffsystems.com/?srsltid=AfmBOoqXuui-Xk-NOHnqe2B_SBqVwmPFQ6xQ_dIAdnU7ikhqunxBl2eq |
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Agilite makes a good one that could mount on the back of your belt if you have room Link |
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I carry this D.A.R.K. "Blue Line" Trauma Kit in my left cargo pocket, TQ mounted to my holster and spare gloves in pocket and in the spare cuff pouch(with my cuffs). Also have a med kit on my plate carrier and a spare one on my sun visor. We have take home SUV’s, so I carry extra med stuff in the back in one of the storage drawers. |
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I really like this one Flatline Fiber Co It's small enough that it doesn't bother me while wearing in the small of my back. If your policy requires all of the stuff on your belt to match and be basketweave I don't know of any options. I also have a tq on the holster, and keep full size chest seals in my vest. |
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