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Sold a handgun to a guy in CA. He did not do his homework & he cannot legally own it because he is not LE so his FFL will not do the transfer. He wants to return it to me for a refund. His FFL claims it is illegal for them to ship it directly to me. I don't see how that could be true when it's still registered to me. If I can send a firearm in for warranty work and the manufacturer can ship it back to me directly, why can't this FFL? Are they wrong here or is this another bs CA thing? |
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"Under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 922 and ATF regulations), handguns cannot be shipped interstate directly to non-licensees. Instead, the FFL must ship the handgun to another FFL (such as a local gun dealer) in your state of residence, where you can pick it up after completing a background check via Form 4473 and any applicable state waiting periods or procedures." Rifles are a different story and subject to local jurisdiction laws in a lot of cases (some states, "assault rifles" need to be handled the same as handguns). If that FFL was the handgun manufacturer, it would also be different. But because it is a handgun, and the FFL is not the manufacturer, they need to ship it to another FFL. Deduct any transfer fees from the refund you were going to send back. |
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Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: "Under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 922 and ATF regulations), handguns cannot be shipped interstate directly to non-licensees. Instead, the FFL must ship the handgun to another FFL (such as a local gun dealer) in your state of residence, where you can pick it up after completing a background check via Form 4473 and any applicable state waiting periods or procedures." Rifles are a different story and subject to local jurisdiction laws in a lot of cases (some states, "assault rifles" need to be handled the same as handguns. If that FFL was the handgun manufacturer, it would also be different. But because it is a handgun, and the FFL is not the manufacturer, they need to ship it to another FFL. Deduct any transfer fees from the refund you were going to send back. Thank you |
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Originally Posted By RacingOrange: Sold a handgun to a guy in CA. He did not do his homework Neither did you.  I'm surprised the CA dealer sent you his FFL without knowing what gun it was. & he cannot legally own it because he is not LE so his FFL will not do the transfer. He wants to return it to me for a refund. It would pretty nice if you refunded him, but you held up your end of the transaction so you shouldn't be expected to eat the shipping cost. His FFL claims it is illegal for them to ship it directly to me. I'm an FFL and he's correct. I don't see how that could be true when it's still registered to me. Whether its registered to you doesn't change federal law. If I can send a firearm in for warranty work and the manufacturer can ship it back to me directly, why can't this FFL? Because federal law specifically allows the direct return of a repaired or replacement firearm. Are they wrong here or is this another bs CA thing? Every FFL in the country should say the same thing as the CA FFL. |
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Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: "Under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 922 and ATF regulations), handguns cannot be shipped interstate directly to non-licensees. Instead, the FFL must ship the handgun to another FFL (such as a local gun dealer) in your state of residence, where you can pick it up after completing a background check via Form 4473 and any applicable state waiting periods or procedures." Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: "Under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 922 and ATF regulations), handguns cannot be shipped interstate directly to non-licensees. Instead, the FFL must ship the handgun to another FFL (such as a local gun dealer) in your state of residence, where you can pick it up after completing a background check via Form 4473 and any applicable state waiting periods or procedures." Sure they can, if its the return of a repaired or replacement firearm. Rifles are a different story and subject to local jurisdiction laws in a lot of cases (some states, "assault rifles" need to be handled the same as handguns). No, rifles aren't a different story, but the exact same story. If that FFL was the handgun manufacturer, it would also be different. Not unless the firearm was sent for the purpose of repair. But because it is a handgun, and the FFL is not the manufacturer, they need to ship it to another FFL. No, its not because its a handgun, its because its a firearm period. It could be a rifle, shotgun, AR lower or whatever. |
Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE
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Originally Posted By HomeAtLast: The CA FFL logged the handgun into his bound book so, you're out of luck. Originally Posted By HomeAtLast: The CA FFL logged the handgun into his bound book so, you're out of luck. Doesn't have anything to do with it. PA technically does not maintain a handgun registry (PSP "not a registry" registry) Thats what I thought. |
Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA
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