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7/9/2026 3:15:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By r3dot:


How did you dose the ss31? Mg/frequency?

I've had chronic fatigue since a teenager. Being on Reta definitely kicks it into overdrive.
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Originally Posted By JaredC1:


Chronic fatigue wasn't the intended purpose but SS-31 for two weeks and then add MOTS-C sent me into to hyperdrive for energy and desire to workout and exercise. Like a switch was flipped inside of me.

Also I am on NAD+ continuously as well.


But that's assuming your chronic fatigue isn't caused by low-t, bad diet etc etc., obviously


How did you dose the ss31? Mg/frequency?

I've had chronic fatigue since a teenager. Being on Reta definitely kicks it into overdrive.
Methylene Blue

10mg Mito Blue tablets on Amazon

Take one when you first wake up

Also I found most of my fatigue issues disappeared once I addressed low-T. Now I have to get less than 5hrs of sleep to get sleepy on my drive home. And I run 100% all day.
7/9/2026 3:19:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Methylene Blue

10mg Mito Blue tablets on Amazon

Take one when you first wake up

Also I found most of my fatigue issues disappeared once I addressed low-T. Now I have to get less than 5hrs of sleep to get sleepy on my drive home. And I run 100% all day.
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I’ll give em a try. Thanks.

Test has always been >500-600
7/9/2026 3:45:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By r3dot:


I'll give em a try. Thanks.

Test has always been >500-600
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Originally Posted By r3dot:
Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Methylene Blue

10mg Mito Blue tablets on Amazon

Take one when you first wake up

Also I found most of my fatigue issues disappeared once I addressed low-T. Now I have to get less than 5hrs of sleep to get sleepy on my drive home. And I run 100% all day.


I'll give em a try. Thanks.

Test has always been >500-600
5-600 is "fine", although it could be problematic if your free test is low. Many people find they feel best at the top end of the reference range, 900-1200, but everyone is different and it's a more complex choice. Whole other thread on that lol
7/9/2026 6:17:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JaredC1:


Chronic fatigue wasn’t the intended purpose but SS-31 for two weeks and then add MOTS-C sent me into to hyperdrive for energy and desire to workout and exercise. Like a switch was flipped inside of me.

Also I am on NAD+ continuously as well.


But that’s assuming your chronic fatigue isn’t caused by low-t, bad diet etc etc., obviously
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Originally Posted By JaredC1:
Originally Posted By r3dot:
Has anyone tried anything for chronic fatigue?



Chronic fatigue wasn’t the intended purpose but SS-31 for two weeks and then add MOTS-C sent me into to hyperdrive for energy and desire to workout and exercise. Like a switch was flipped inside of me.

Also I am on NAD+ continuously as well.


But that’s assuming your chronic fatigue isn’t caused by low-t, bad diet etc etc., obviously



Whats was your dosing /schedule ?



I tried motsc and didnt notice an effects.  Currently taking nad+ not really seeing any difference


My test is pretty high, im on a mild trt 60mg twice a week and my test was over 1200.  

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7/9/2026 7:13:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:



Whats was your dosing /schedule ?



I tried motsc and didnt notice an effects.  Currently taking nad+ not really seeing any difference


My test is pretty high, im on a mild trt 60mg twice a week and my test was over 1200.  

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It’s so hard to find consistent dosing info on some of this stuff.
7/11/2026 3:29:54 PM EDT
[#6]
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Originally Posted By r3dot:


How did you dose the ss31? Mg/frequency?

I’ve had chronic fatigue since a teenager. Being on Reta definitely kicks it into overdrive.
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Originally Posted By r3dot:
Originally Posted By JaredC1:


Chronic fatigue wasn’t the intended purpose but SS-31 for two weeks and then add MOTS-C sent me into to hyperdrive for energy and desire to workout and exercise. Like a switch was flipped inside of me.

Also I am on NAD+ continuously as well.


But that’s assuming your chronic fatigue isn’t caused by low-t, bad diet etc etc., obviously


How did you dose the ss31? Mg/frequency?

I’ve had chronic fatigue since a teenager. Being on Reta definitely kicks it into overdrive.


I take it 4 days a week, two weeks before MOTS-C cycle starts and for a total of 8 weeks before taking 4 weeks off.

The dose I do not know because I do not reconstitute myself so don’t know the concentration.
7/11/2026 3:32:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:



Whats was your dosing /schedule ?



I tried motsc and didnt notice an effects.  Currently taking nad+ not really seeing any difference


My test is pretty high, im on a mild trt 60mg twice a week and my test was over 1200.  

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Originally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By JaredC1:
Originally Posted By r3dot:
Has anyone tried anything for chronic fatigue?



Chronic fatigue wasn’t the intended purpose but SS-31 for two weeks and then add MOTS-C sent me into to hyperdrive for energy and desire to workout and exercise. Like a switch was flipped inside of me.

Also I am on NAD+ continuously as well.


But that’s assuming your chronic fatigue isn’t caused by low-t, bad diet etc etc., obviously



Whats was your dosing /schedule ?



I tried motsc and didnt notice an effects.  Currently taking nad+ not really seeing any difference


My test is pretty high, im on a mild trt 60mg twice a week and my test was over 1200.  



Answered my cycle of SS-31 in the post above and the dosing protocol I do not know.

For MOTS-C I run it 4 weeks on 8 weeks off, 3 days a week, which I think is extremely conservative

For NAD+ I take it 4 days a week.

I’ve heard lots of people tell me the same on MOTS-C and honestly my most dramatic effects was the first cycle and now not nearly as strong.
7/14/2026 9:44:19 PM EDT
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I have a fully ruptured lower bicep tendon, I'm going to have surgery next week to repair it, but I'm hoping to heal up a little quicker than the 6ish months the Dr stated.

Would BPC157 and TB500 be recommended for recovery after the surgery? Topical vs injection recommendations?

I asked about these before for golfers elbow, but it cleared up pretty quick on its own before I could order.
7/14/2026 9:48:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gunhand1:
I have a fully ruptured lower bicep tendon, I'm going to have surgery next week to repair it, but I'm hoping to heal up a little quicker than the 6ish months the Dr stated.

Would BPC157 and TB500 be recommended for recovery after the surgery? Topical vs injection recommendations?

I asked about these before for golfers elbow, but it cleared up pretty quick on its own before I could order.
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I would get some BPC157/TB500 (or TB4) in a 10/10 mg kit, reconstitute with 3ml, and take 15 units your first 3-4 days then go as high as 30 units/day.
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7/14/2026 9:49:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By gunhand1:
I have a fully ruptured lower bicep tendon, I'm going to have surgery next week to repair it, but I'm hoping to heal up a little quicker than the 6ish months the Dr stated.

Would BPC157 and TB500 be recommended for recovery after the surgery? Topical vs injection recommendations?

I asked about these before for golfers elbow, but it cleared up pretty quick on its own before I could order.
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Injection. I wish I would have known about BPC-157 and TB-500 when I had my achilles surgically reattached two and a half years ago. I would have 100% injected those right after.

ETA: I'd include GHK-Cu for incision/scar healing too. I will say that my incision scar seems to have smoothed out and looks better than it used to after a couple cycles of those three.
7/15/2026 6:49:42 PM EDT
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What is the proper way to deal with NAD+ BUFFERED when it has a pH of 3 after reconstitution?    
Does all NAD+ that is available to us in CONUS have a pH of 3 when reconstituted?

My wife and I started the 14-Week Mitochondrial Protocol. Ordered a vial of 500mg NAD+ Buffered, several vials of 1,000 NAD+ Buffered, 12 vials SS31, and numerous MOTS-C.  

I reconned the 500mg NAD+ Buffered with 2ml Hospira BAC to begin the 25mg and then 50mg twice weekly first three weeks of the protocol. It was pure fire to inject. So much so that we couldn't do more than the first 25mg injection. I ordered pH strips after doing some research. It showed a pH of 3! So, I ordered injectable Sodium Bicarbonate and was able to buffer it to 7.4pH.

Yesterday I reconned the first of several 1,000 NAD+ Buffered vials with 2ml BAC, then tested pH. It too tested at 3. I purposely only used 2ml BAC so that I'd have room to bring it to 3ml with either more BAC or by buffering. It took exactly 1ml injectable Sodium Bicarbonate to bring it from 3 to 7pH.

I have reached out to the CONUS vendor who I purchase most of my peptides from, and they are 'looking' into it.


BTW, thank you to the OP... I started reading this tread in March when I was prescribed Wegovy Tablets. In early May I transitioned to grey market TIRZ and RETA (thanks to this thread), and started using BPC157, both TB4 & TB500, KVP, PT-141, Testagen, KLOW 100 (blending myself with CHK-Cu KPV 50/20 blend vial, plus add another 10mg KPV, 10mg TB4, and 10mg BPC157 in 3ml Sodium Chloride BAC), NA Epitalon amidate, Kisspeptin, DSIP, TESA/IPA/CJCnoDAC 16/3/3 (blending myself with a vial of 6/3/3 and adding 10mg TESA in 2ml BAC for twice daily 1mg TESA injection), and then my final blended concoction of Cartalax/KVP/TB500/BPC157 40/10/10/10 in 3ml BAC. I have already cycled off some of the 20-day protocols.

I'm late 50's, 5'6", currently 175#, testosterone was 370 in March (new draw in two days), IGF-1 was 0.2 before I started any of the HGH surrogate stuff (will have blood drawn in 4 weeks for new IGF-1).  Real Enclomiphene 25mg tablets (not clomiphene) are arriving tomorrow, so I will begin 12.5mg daily after my blood draw for TEST and Estradiol is complete.

7/15/2026 8:41:18 PM EDT
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I do 3mL Hospira with my 500mg NAD+, but I haven't checked the pH. You might try adding a mL to see if that helps. 25mg would be 15 units. I'm in week 12 and take 100mg (60 units) and don't get any stinging or burning unless I don't let the alcohol on my skin fully dry

ETA: I originally bought 1,000mg NAD+ and planned to reconstitute with 10mL. That stuff didn't recon right and the vendor replaced it. I do like only injecting 60 units for 100mg vs 100 units though.
7/15/2026 10:31:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By spyderboy03:
I do 3mL Hospira with my 500mg NAD+, but I haven't checked the pH. You might try adding a mL to see if that helps. 25mg would be 15 units. I'm in week 12 and take 100mg (60 units) and don't get any stinging or burning unless I don't let the alcohol on my skin fully dry

ETA: I originally bought 1,000mg NAD+ and planned to reconstitute with 10mL. That stuff didn't recon right and the vendor replaced it. I do like only injecting 60 units for 100mg vs 100 units though.
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I recon 1000's with 5ml bac and use 50 units.  current batch is 4.5Bac and .5 SB due to PH.
7/16/2026 9:23:57 AM EDT
[#14]
Anyone got the source for hospira water?
It seems to have dried up. Peptide test is who I used to go with, they are out now.
7/16/2026 9:42:30 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 20229mm:
Anyone got the source for hospira water?
It seems to have dried up. Peptide test is who I used to go with, they are out now.
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Shows single vials and 25ct vials as in stock and available for me
7/16/2026 9:56:19 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tripntx:
What is the proper way to deal with NAD+ BUFFERED when it has a pH of 3 after reconstitution?    
Does all NAD+ that is available to us in CONUS have a pH of 3 when reconstituted?

My wife and I started the 14-Week Mitochondrial Protocol. Ordered a vial of 500mg NAD+ Buffered, several vials of 1,000 NAD+ Buffered, 12 vials SS31, and numerous MOTS-C.  

I reconned the 500mg NAD+ Buffered with 2ml Hospira BAC to begin the 25mg and then 50mg twice weekly first three weeks of the protocol. It was pure fire to inject. So much so that we couldn't do more than the first 25mg injection. I ordered pH strips after doing some research. It showed a pH of 3! So, I ordered injectable Sodium Bicarbonate and was able to buffer it to 7.4pH.

Yesterday I reconned the first of several 1,000 NAD+ Buffered vials with 2ml BAC, then tested pH. It too tested at 3. I purposely only used 2ml BAC so that I'd have room to bring it to 3ml with either more BAC or by buffering. It took exactly 1ml injectable Sodium Bicarbonate to bring it from 3 to 7pH.

I have reached out to the CONUS vendor who I purchase most of my peptides from, and they are 'looking' into it.


BTW, thank you to the OP... I started reading this tread in March when I was prescribed Wegovy Tablets. In early May I transitioned to grey market TIRZ and RETA (thanks to this thread), and started using BPC157, both TB4 & TB500, KVP, PT-141, Testagen, KLOW 100 (blending myself with CHK-Cu KPV 50/20 blend vial, plus add another 10mg KPV, 10mg TB4, and 10mg BPC157 in 3ml Sodium Chloride BAC), NA Epitalon amidate, Kisspeptin, DSIP, TESA/IPA/CJCnoDAC 16/3/3 (blending myself with a vial of 6/3/3 and adding 10mg TESA in 2ml BAC for twice daily 1mg TESA injection), and then my final blended concoction of Cartalax/KVP/TB500/BPC157 40/10/10/10 in 3ml BAC. I have already cycled off some of the 20-day protocols.

I'm late 50's, 5'6", currently 175#, testosterone was 370 in March (new draw in two days), IGF-1 was 0.2 before I started any of the HGH surrogate stuff (will have blood drawn in 4 weeks for new IGF-1).  Real Enclomiphene 25mg tablets (not clomiphene) are arriving tomorrow, so I will begin 12.5mg daily after my blood draw for TEST and Estradiol is complete.

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If you’re already doing all of that just jump into actual Test. It’ll make a world of difference.
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7/16/2026 10:18:53 AM EDT
[#17]
Without searching, off the top of my head Daropep has jano tested back from India. It's a different format, soft packs. He has a bulk discount listing if you want to load up for the Armageddon

https://www.daropep.net/product/bac-5-pack-of-10ml-vials/
7/16/2026 11:12:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By gunhand1:
I have a fully ruptured lower bicep tendon, I'm going to have surgery next week to repair it, but I'm hoping to heal up a little quicker than the 6ish months the Dr stated.

Would BPC157 and TB500 be recommended for recovery after the surgery? Topical vs injection recommendations?

I asked about these before for golfers elbow, but it cleared up pretty quick on its own before I could order.
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@gunhand1  I went through this about 2 years ago.  Have a long discussion with your surgeon about how he intends to reattach and if a cadaver tendon is needed.  He should be prepared to use a cadaver tendon in case yours can't be repaired.  They have to clean the tendon up so it can be reattached and there may not be enough good tissue left.  

My surgeon didn't do the above and reattached a tendon that was too short.  As a result it is attached further up my forearm than is should be.    He even offered to go back in and use a cadaver tendon but I wasn't in the mood to do another surgery.  Strength has come back but it's taken 2 years almost and i'm only at about 90%.  

I did several rounds of BPC157 and tb500 and found it did help with pain and inflammation.
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7/16/2026 11:43:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 20229mm:
Anyone got the source for hospira water?
It seems to have dried up. Peptide test is who I used to go with, they are out now.
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Farris labs has singles, but pricy.
7/16/2026 11:56:15 AM EDT
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Shows single vials and 25ct vials as in stock and available for me
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Originally Posted By rollin-tumblin:
Originally Posted By 20229mm:
Anyone got the source for hospira water?
It seems to have dried up. Peptide test is who I used to go with, they are out now.


Shows single vials and 25ct vials as in stock and available for me
Showing in stock for me there as well. Lambda Water is gaining steam as a high quality BAC water supplier on STG and in group test groups, etc. Third party testing shows it is very consistent. Plus is it costs what Hospira used to. I haven't tried it myself yet, but I still have a 25 vial case of Hospira I haven't opened yet.
7/16/2026 11:57:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HappyCamel:
Without searching, off the top of my head Daropep has jano tested back from India. It's a different format, soft packs. He has a bulk discount listing if you want to load up for the Armageddon

https://www.daropep.net/product/bac-5-pack-of-10ml-vials/
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I've seen a lot of talk of the Genetek BAC in one of my group test groups as well.
7/16/2026 12:40:24 PM EDT
[#22]
Anyone try any of the nasal spray PT-141? Most results I see are from injection. But it looks like nasal spray is pretty available at a lot of spots. Figured I'd try it that way first if it works.
7/16/2026 3:19:26 PM EDT
[#23]
Dumb question for those with more experience than I have.  It's probably been answered before, but i can't keep up with this thread - I get confused too friggin easy.

I just got in a 10-vial kit from Nexaph for the BPC-157 / TB4 Blend – 10mg/10mg.  I have checked with my doctor, and he's said that my use of it won't cause me any issues.  

The problems that I'm trying to get help with are legion.  Bad ankles, knees, messed up elbow, messed up shoulder, neck, back,  yadda yadda.

What's the best resource for figuring dosage? I have a pen, bac water, etc coming in from pep pens as well, but I want to make up a cheat sheet I can put on my fridge for reference until I know what I'm doing.

Also, is it best to inject close to the injury site, or just like in the belly under the skin?  I seen to recall reading that the 157 works best if you can inject it local to the injury.

Also, my friend wants to know if they have something that will help with perimenopause.  Not kidding, she and I were just chatting about this and she asked me if I knew.  I told her that I've never gone through it, so I couldn't help her. Lol
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7/16/2026 3:56:32 PM EDT
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Dumb question for those with more experience than I have.  It's probably been answered before, but i can't keep up with this thread - I get confused too friggin easy.

I just got in a 10-vial kit from Nexaph for the BPC-157 / TB4 Blend – 10mg/10mg.  I have checked with my doctor, and he's said that my use of it won't cause me any issues.  

The problems that I'm trying to get help with are legion.  Bad ankles, knees, messed up elbow, messed up shoulder, neck, back,  yadda yadda.

What's the best resource for figuring dosage? I have a pen, bac water, etc coming in from pep pens as well, but I want to make up a cheat sheet I can put on my fridge for reference until I know what I'm doing.

Also, is it best to inject close to the injury site, or just like in the belly under the skin?  I seen to recall reading that the 157 works best if you can inject it local to the injury.

Also, my friend wants to know if they have something that will help with perimenopause.  Not kidding, she and I were just chatting about this and she asked me if I knew.  I told her that I've never gone through it, so I couldn't help her. Lol
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https://pep-pedia.org/
PT141
7/16/2026 5:25:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ceetee:
Dumb question for those with more experience than I have.  It's probably been answered before, but i can't keep up with this thread - I get confused too friggin easy.

I just got in a 10-vial kit from Nexaph for the BPC-157 / TB4 Blend – 10mg/10mg.  I have checked with my doctor, and he's said that my use of it won't cause me any issues.  

The problems that I'm trying to get help with are legion.  Bad ankles, knees, messed up elbow, messed up shoulder, neck, back,  yadda yadda.

What's the best resource for figuring dosage? I have a pen, bac water, etc coming in from pep pens as well, but I want to make up a cheat sheet I can put on my fridge for reference until I know what I'm doing.

Also, is it best to inject close to the injury site, or just like in the belly under the skin?  I seen to recall reading that the 157 works best if you can inject it local to the injury.

Also, my friend wants to know if they have something that will help with perimenopause.  Not kidding, she and I were just chatting about this and she asked me if I knew.  I told her that I've never gone through it, so I couldn't help her. Lol

https://pep-pedia.org/
PT141


Depending on symptoms here is a starting point.

https://peptide-works.com/best-peptides-for-women-in-perimenopause/

My wife is perimenopausal and I have started her on kisspeptin 2x a week. Too early to know results but while it gets mostly pushed as a libido enhancer I think that it should have a lot of other benefits with hormone production stability for women in perimenopause.
7/16/2026 5:43:12 PM EDT
[#26]
Does anyone have The Pep Lair's current website or used them lately?
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7/16/2026 6:00:41 PM EDT
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I just sent it to you via message.
7/17/2026 1:44:13 PM EDT
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I've got a couple vials in the mail from them now.
7/18/2026 4:53:35 PM EDT
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They're still go to go.
7/18/2026 7:54:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By r3dot:


How did you dose the ss31? Mg/frequency?

I’ve had chronic fatigue since a teenager. Being on Reta definitely kicks it into overdrive.
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look at pep pedia.
7/18/2026 7:56:10 PM EDT
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Blend calculator.

Found this handy for modified KLOW  and Deadpool, blends in general.
7/22/2026 3:58:09 PM EDT
[#32]
Looking to try bpc/tb500 blend for help with a small meniscus tear that is taking forever to heal.  What dose and where to buy?
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7/22/2026 7:19:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcnizzle:
Looking to try bpc/tb500 blend for help with a small meniscus tear that is taking forever to heal.  What dose and where to buy?
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Wolverine Blend (BPC/TB) 1mg each 2x daily.

Honey Badger Blend (BPC/TB/KPV)
1mg each 2x daily.



7/22/2026 9:07:36 PM EDT
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Does anyone have The Pep Lair's current website or used them lately?
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They are my go-to right now for Reta, but be careful, there are some scam sites that come close to that name on purpose.
OK, see you later, Redcoat…
7/22/2026 9:08:40 PM EDT
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I just sent it to you via message.
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Originally Posted By disco_jon75:
Does anyone have The Pep Lair's current website or used them lately?



I just sent it to you via message.

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OK, see you later, Redcoat…
7/23/2026 7:19:37 AM EDT
[#36]
Does anyone stack these things ?  As in take Semaglutide and Retatrutide together ?
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7/23/2026 8:25:04 AM EDT
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Does anyone stack these things ?  As in take Semaglutide and Retatrutide together ?
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Yes. 1.5mg Sema on Monday and 3 mg Reta on Thursday.
7/23/2026 8:30:24 AM EDT
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Does anyone stack these things ?  As in take Semaglutide and Retatrutide together ?
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You should read this thread from the beginning, more than once.
7/23/2026 10:48:33 AM EDT
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Does anyone stack these things ?  As in take Semaglutide and Retatrutide together ?
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Do you do any endurance exercise?  Reta has put my long run endurance in the shitter, and thats considering that this is low dose (week 7, still at 2 mg for another week) thats had no effect on hunger.  Im curious about how other people have responded.  An hr and a half at tempo speeds used to be managable for me, no prob.  Now im beat at 60 minutes.
7/23/2026 11:27:03 AM EDT
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You should read this thread from the beginning, more than once.
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Originally Posted By glocke12:
Does anyone stack these things ?  As in take Semaglutide and Retatrutide together ?

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7/23/2026 5:27:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By diamondd817:


Wolverine Blend (BPC/TB) 1mg each 2x daily.

Honey Badger Blend (BPC/TB/KPV)
1mg each 2x daily.



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Originally Posted By diamondd817:
Originally Posted By mcnizzle:
Looking to try bpc/tb500 blend for help with a small meniscus tear that is taking forever to heal.  What dose and where to buy?


Wolverine Blend (BPC/TB) 1mg each 2x daily.

Honey Badger Blend (BPC/TB/KPV)
1mg each 2x daily.





What size BAC water should I get?  Then, when using a calculator, do I put in 10mg or 20mg since the total is 20mg but only 10mg of each?
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7/23/2026 5:39:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mcnizzle:


What size BAC water should I get?  Then, when using a calculator, do I put in 10mg or 20mg since the total is 20mg but only 10mg of each?
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Get the 30ml back water if you can or the 10ml are fine.

Wolverine Blend is BPC/TB = 10/10mg per vial. Add 2.5ml of BAC to the vial and each 25 units will be 1/1mg.

Honey Badger is BPC/TB/KPV = 10/10/10mg per vial. Add 2.5ml of BAC to the vial and each 25 units will be 1/1/1mg.

If you take 1mg twice a day each vial will last 5 days (10 shots). A kit of 10 vials will be 50 days worth.
7/24/2026 9:35:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By diamondd817:


Get the 30ml back water if you can or the 10ml are fine.

Wolverine Blend is BPC/TB = 10/10mg per vial. Add 2.5ml of BAC to the vial and each 25 units will be 1/1mg.

Honey Badger is BPC/TB/KPV = 10/10/10mg per vial. Add 2.5ml of BAC to the vial and each 25 units will be 1/1/1mg.

If you take 1mg twice a day each vial will last 5 days (10 shots). A kit of 10 vials will be 50 days worth.
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Thank you!
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7/26/2026 7:09:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By diamondd817:


Get the 30ml back water if you can or the 10ml are fine.

Wolverine Blend is BPC/TB = 10/10mg per vial. Add 2.5ml of BAC to the vial and each 25 units will be 1/1mg.

Honey Badger is BPC/TB/KPV = 10/10/10mg per vial. Add 2.5ml of BAC to the vial and each 25 units will be 1/1/1mg.

If you take 1mg twice a day each vial will last 5 days (10 shots). A kit of 10 vials will be 50 days worth.
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Question on the 30ml BAC water. If you're using 2.5-3ml at a time, one of those can last a long time. Potentially months.

How long do you keep them in the fridge once you've pierced the seal? I've seen everything from "30 days" to "it doesn't matter".
7/26/2026 7:48:46 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Landshark9025:
Question on the 30ml BAC water. If you're using 2.5-3ml at a time, one of those can last a long time. Potentially months.

How long do you keep them in the fridge once you've pierced the seal? I've seen everything from "30 days" to "it doesn't matter".
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You don't refrigerate BAC water. 90 days is about the limit. I use the 60 day mark.
7/27/2026 1:06:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Do you do any endurance exercise?  Reta has put my long run endurance in the shitter, and thats considering that this is low dose (week 7, still at 2 mg for another week) thats had no effect on hunger.  Im curious about how other people have responded.  An hr and a half at tempo speeds used to be managable for me, no prob.  Now im beat at 60 minutes.
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Originally Posted By glocke12:
Does anyone stack these things ?  As in take Semaglutide and Retatrutide together ?
Do you do any endurance exercise?  Reta has put my long run endurance in the shitter, and thats considering that this is low dose (week 7, still at 2 mg for another week) thats had no effect on hunger.  Im curious about how other people have responded.  An hr and a half at tempo speeds used to be managable for me, no prob.  Now im beat at 60 minutes.
Ok, even though it hasn't stopped the hunger has it reduced your calories through feeling full, not eating as much? If so the calorie reduction can crush your performance. I have been under eating and I've had to consciously increase my calories just so I'm not feeling tired all the time.

Gym performance has increased and I have more in the tank since I've added calories back. I've dropped 60lbs over the last two years and up until a few weeks ago I was not making any
improvements in the gym. Added some calories and I've been able to perform better when working out.

Since you're a runner going to need to add carbs and the Reta helps manage that.
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7/27/2026 1:13:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By glocke12:
Does anyone stack these things ?  As in take Semaglutide and Retatrutide together ?
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No. why would you do that. Reta hits the same receptor as Sema. What am i missing? Why not just take a higher dose of Reta?
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7/27/2026 1:50:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thorm001:



No. why would you do that. Reta hits the same receptor as Sema. What am i missing? Why not just take a higher dose of Reta?
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Ive heard speculation that tirzepatide and retatrutide together have a more significant impact on hunger than reta alone.  Its all anecdotal as there hasnt been any head-to-head trials, but the glp/gip aspect of tirzepatide is thought to be stronger, so i guess stacking the two drugs introduced the glucagon agonism to the superior hunger profile of tirzepatide.  

Sounds reasonable, but there isnt enough data out there to even guess at what the appropriate ratio should be or even if one of the two drugs can have an antagonistic effect on the efficacy of the other.
7/27/2026 2:01:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 96Ag:
Ok, even though it hasn't stopped the hunger has it reduced your calories through feeling full, not eating as much? If so the calorie reduction can crush your performance. I have been under eating and I've had to consciously increase my calories just so I'm not feeling tired all the time.

Gym performance has increased and I have more in the tank since I've added calories back. I've dropped 60lbs over the last two years and up until a few weeks ago I was not making any
improvements in the gym. Added some calories and I've been able to perform better when working out.

Since you're a runner going to need to add carbs and the Reta helps manage that.
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I log and weigh everything i eat so that i can maintain a 250 calorie deficit, and i use the garmin estimate of calorie burn from running in that calculation.  Its not a perfect system, but i was succesful using it to lose 60 lbs over 12 months prior to ever starting any drugs.  Still, there is always room for error.  

Now im highly sensitive to a deficit, as im probably around 18 or 20 percent body fat.  Im a T2 diabetic who wears a cgm, so i can attest to what Reta does for blood sugar.  A short 5 or 7 mile run used to spike my glucose up to 150-170 mg/dl.  After starting 1 mg of reta, it will drop to 65-70 and hang out there by mile 3.  It hasnt gone hypoglycemic yet, but its wild to watch.  The glucose alone hasnt caused the lack of long run endurance.  I just think that the heat, some overtraining and the Reta combined have driven it into the dirt.   My gym performance has been great.  Im going on 3 months of progression on every lift, save for a deload week.  

Regardless, when my marathon training block starts in November-December, im coming off Reta and going to maintenance calories.  Losing 10 lbs isnt worth losing a minute a mile from mile 10 to mile 26.
7/27/2026 3:18:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
I log and weigh everything i eat so that i can maintain a 250 calorie deficit, and i use the garmin estimate of calorie burn from running in that calculation.  Its not a perfect system, but i was succesful using it to lose 60 lbs over 12 months prior to ever starting any drugs.  Still, there is always room for error.  

Now im highly sensitive to a deficit, as im probably around 18 or 20 percent body fat.  Im a T2 diabetic who wears a cgm, so i can attest to what Reta does for blood sugar.  A short 5 or 7 mile run used to spike my glucose up to 150-170 mg/dl.  After starting 1 mg of reta, it will drop to 65-70 and hang out there by mile 3.  It hasnt gone hypoglycemic yet, but its wild to watch.  The glucose alone hasnt caused the lack of long run endurance.  I just think that the heat, some overtraining and the Reta combined have driven it into the dirt.   My gym performance has been great.  Im going on 3 months of progression on every lift, save for a deload week.  

Regardless, when my marathon training block starts in November-December, im coming off Reta and going to maintenance calories.  Losing 10 lbs isnt worth losing a minute a mile from mile 10 to mile 26.
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I'm a runner and yes, higher heart rate and less gas in the tank was my experience.  I did it during some non-racing time and stopped about a month prior to making a half marathon PR or else I'd have had no chance to go all out.  I do think the weight loss (15lb or so) helped me be much faster once the heart rate/energy impact went away.

I even saw that my heart rate would spike at the start of a run and then settle down after a while.

I also am typically dirty keto but that hasn't messed with my runs over the years.

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