Hunter mistakenly kills woman (Page 4 of 6)
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Originally Posted By Hking: There is ZERO excuse to shoot at anything you are not 100% sure on. This... |
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Originally Posted By Vne: Happens literally all the time. I can't tell you how many times I've mistaken people for deer. I'll have the perfect site picture on them, finger on the trigger, vibrating with excitement, and all of a sudden the deer takes a drag off a cigarette. Wtf? Deer don't do tha... Dammit, it's another human! 
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Originally Posted By KiloBravo: Back during COVID, I drew an archery only permit for local Corps of Engineers land to hunt turkeys. I had to contend with old ladies walking yappy dogs, mountain bikers, and idiots Target practicing with handguns. Public land hunting is a circus. If this was public land, I can see how there might be people out there, but how his mistook a lady for a deer no idea. |
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I've told this before. EdSr and I were turkey hunting in his pretty large property in NY. It was a former farm with fields and trees. We set up a little ways apart and Ed was calling for turkeys although we hadn't seen many. Eventually he stops and waves me over. I get there and Ed is talking to another hunter. This guy had heard Ed calling and apparently decided Ed was a turkey and started stalking in on him. Ed heard or saw him and confronted him. He made some bullshit claim about thinking he had permission from someone who owned land a long ways away, like a dot on the horizon. Ed asked me to throw him off because I think Ed was about to beat the shit out of him. I'm a casual hunter but otherwise I've personally had good luck with other hunters. My wife and I used to stumble across hunters when we were hiking in TN, VA and PA and everyone was safe and cool. We should've worn orange. One day we pulled off the road and were going to go hiking in some state forest land (I think in PA) we got out of the car and I said "Wait a minute!" Something was up. I didn't see any vehicle around but I heard odd rustlings. next to the woods was a field. I saw a bunch of faces peek out of goose blinds on the ground  I shrugged and we creeped quietly back to the car and drove off  |
| I've shot and killed a lot of shit, only 1 deer however. Never mattered if I had 0 or 15 fuckin beers, I'm not pulling the goddamn trigger if I don't know what the fuck it is and what's behind it. I've let some meat walk because I wasn't in-love with the backstop area. Not risking it. |
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The worst part about this thread is how many people go “walking through the woods during deer season?” or “why weren’t they wearing hunter orange?” It’s nowhere near deer season through out the nation. That’s why he was arrested. I walk through the woods all the time in khaki and OD green. You should be able to do that without thinking some old douchebag is going to mistake you for a deer. |
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Originally Posted By PacNW5: I love shooting but am not a big hunter at all. Does this happen often? https://abcnews.com/US/hunter-charged-manslaughter-shooting-woman-mistook-deer-police/story?id=136602964 A 74-year-old hunter has been arrested and charged in a homicide investigation in which police allege he fatally shot a woman in Delaware whom he allegedly mistook for a deer. Walter Moorhead of Salisbury, Maryland, was charged with manslaughter and related crimes after allegedly shooting the woman while hunting Friday evening in a field near Ellendale, Delaware, according to the Delaware State Police. "The preliminary investigation revealed that the victim was walking through the field with a man and two children while Moorhead was hunting deer from a ground blind. Moorhead believed he saw a deer and fired his rifle, striking the victim," the Delaware State Police said in a statement. The victim was identified Sunday as 39-year-old Santos Maria Chilel Soto of Georgetown, Delaware, according to the state police. The incident unfolded around 7:40 p.m. on Friday, according to the state police, who said troopers who were called to the scene provided lifesaving medical care to the victim, who was later pronounced dead at a hospital. Troopers took Moorehead into custody after a preliminary investigation "determined that he had fired the shot that struck the victim," according to the state police. In addition to the charge of felony manslaughter, Moorhead is facing three counts of first-degree reckless endangerment, as well as a count of possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony, state police said. Moorhead was arraigned by the Justice of the Peace Court and released after posting a $43,000 cash bond, according to the state police. Usually 3 to 5 times in my state during deer hunting. Typically they just shoot their buddy who went down to take a shit and brought white toilet paper, they shoot at the white thinking it's a whitetail deer, and kill or maim their hunting partner. |
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Common with turkey hunting too, because hunters are in full camo making turkey noises, and some idiot doesn't identify his target and instead shoots at noise. |
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Originally Posted By StevenH: Used to be people stayed out of the woods or wore orange during deer season. Now you see mountain bikers, horseback riders, dog walkers… Used to be gun season was a few weeks and it was done and over with. Like I said earlier, now the seasons strung together add up to a third of the year. That's a long time to expect other people to not be in the woods. |
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Originally Posted By JCoop: I guess they aren't satisfied with their 8 months? Originally Posted By JCoop: I guess they aren't satisfied with their 8 months? No, absolutely not. Expecting all non-hunters to stay out of the woods for four months is ridiculous I hope that you're being sarcastic Originally Posted By Bigdawg90: The worst part about this thread is how many people go “walking through the woods during deer season?” or “why weren’t they wearing hunter orange?” It’s nowhere near deer season through out the nation. . Early doe season here started September 12 The last gasp of hunting season here ends January 31 next year There are gaps in that timeline; early bow season starts Oct 1, so I have a narrow window of a few days to get my hiking group in the woods safely before the bow hunters are out there |
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“Santos Maria Chilel Soto”… With a name like that, this hunter was probably saving ICE from having to spend manpower and resources to find, arrest and deport her! That aside, Delaware being the deep blue lefty state that it is, sure threw every possible thing they could at him! “Possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony”?? It was à hunting accident, not bank robbery ffs! |
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Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. That may be true but it happens enough. I can think of two over the past 20 years or so in my area alone. One was about 5 years ago when a man was shot on state park land near here by a hunter : An 18-year-old male——was fatally shot at Nockamixon State Park in October 2020 while sitting with his girlfriend. The IncidentVictim: 18-year-old Jason Albert Kutt of Sellersville, PA.Date & Location: October 24, 2020, around 5:15 p.m. near the Old Ridge Road access overlooking Lake Nockamixon.Event: Kutt and his girlfriend were sitting at the edge of the lake watching the sunset when a single shot fired from about 550 feet away struck Kutt in the back of the neck/head. He passed away two days later at St. Luke's Hospital-Bethlehem.Arrest and SentencingSuspect: Kenneth Troy Heller, 52, of Warminster, PA. Details: Investigators determined Heller was hunting with a rare .17 caliber rifle and mistakenly fired at Kutt, thinking he was an animal. Heller surrendered to authorities in December 2020.Resolution: In July 2021, Heller pleaded guilty to involuntary manslaughter, recklessly endangering another person, weapons charges, and hunting violations. He was sentenced to seven to 20 years in state prison I can't find anything but paywall links for these others, but there have been a number of incidents ( I found 3 locally that occurred over the past 5 years ) over the years during Turkey season when people have gotten shot by hunters mistaking them for prey. One stands out to me because of the irony involved. Two hunters were maybe 25-50 yards apart, both using calls to call in a turkey. Each hunter thought the other one was a bird. One of them ended up shooting the other. Statistical anomaly ? I won't argue with that because the data backs that up, but at the same time I stay out of the woods in the local park/SGL around here once deer/turkey season opens up. The roadsides full of the parked cars of hunters combing the woods for deer, and the woods are thick with hunters. There are so many hunters in those woods I am actually surprised there aren't more accidents. When Sunday hunting opened up here I was kind of annoyed because that kind of puts limits on how often I can get outside with my dog in the woods around here. I'll probably end up taking her to the state forest lands a little further north here where I think the number of people in the woods will probably be a little less. Before someone jumps on me about my " annoyed " comment, I have no problem with hunting. Used to do it in my youth and I think hunters around here and in NJ need to step up their game to reduce the deer population in these areas. I am merely disappointed that the Sunday off leash walks with my dog I enjoyed in the past are more difficult now. I sort of wish they had put limits or restrictions on where that Sunday hunting can take place, such as limit it SGL only but not state forests, etc.... |
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Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Not sure if serious or just misinformed? Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Not sure if serious or just misinformed?  Let’s run the numbers. (As per google, of course) Hunting results in roughly 2400 er visits per year resulting in roughly 60 deaths per year with roughly 15,000,000 hunters going afield annually. That’s 16 injuries per 100,000 participants and .4 deaths per 100,000 participants annually. Compare that to bowling that has about 30 injuries per 100,000 participants or football that has 1 death per 100,000 participants annually. Which means, compared to hunting, about twice as many people get hurt bowling and twice as many people die playing football every year. 
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Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. One is too many. How do you mistake a human being for an animal? |
| I was enjoying my property in Montana about 7 years ago, had a gentleman exit his truck off the highway and proceeded onto my property to shoot a pronghorn, putting my wife and I in his back stop…. I send a friendly “how do ya do” in 7.62 his direction and he went on his merry way. Most hunters are gay and retarded. |
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Tragedy. Buck fever is a thing. as well as a count of possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony Seriously? |
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Originally Posted By Ulster: Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. https://i.postimg.cc/hvnT5w3z/Screenshot-2026-09-20-180046.png 
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| Been hunting most of my life and from my experience it would be virtually impossible to mistake a human for a deer unless its obscured by some cover in which case you should even take the shot.... or you are so blind you shouldn't be in the woods with a gun. |
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Originally Posted By tac556: A lot of “hunters” are fucking morons and/or drunks. Guess why hunter orange exists? Because of way too many incidents like this over the years. Never wear tan/brown colored clothes in the woods during deer season… Orange sucks less than the old red but still sucks because 8ish % of the male population has the red/green "color blindness" where shades of red, including orange will blend into background colors. I've run over a few red/orange extension cords laying in the grass. There might be a reason why "lime green" has become the predominant color for hi-viz safety attire. It works for everyone. Stupid State of WI DOT tried orange striping for highway lanes which tended to almost disappear under certain conditions. Fortunately, they gave up on that. |
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Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. Originally Posted By DmacRTCo: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Happens entirely too often :-( No it doesn’t. Hunting accidents are statistical anomalies. +1 Extremely rare per capita. My son took Hunter Safety last summer and there is an 8-hour “field day” with class and outdoor time including shooting and gun handling. I ended up staying the whole day and it was a good refresher and a well-done class. There was a long session about knowing your target and beyond. They have a video of people talking about real life accidents and what went wrong. Deer look like nothing else. And if you need to have antlers, even less so. |
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Originally Posted By Mike_314: No to be too pendantic but, no they didn't. Originally Posted By Mike_314: troopers who were called to the scene provided lifesaving medical care to the victim, who was later pronounced dead at a hospital. Yep. Like doing chest compressions on the gang member shot 13 times because you're in front of his family and homies. |
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Originally Posted By tac556: A lot of “hunters” are fucking morons and/or drunks. Guess why hunter orange exists? Because of way too many incidents like this over the years. Never wear tan/brown colored clothes in the woods during deer season… +1 I hunt an area with very low hunting pressure but still wear hunter orange. Usually a hat and vest. It makes absolutely zero difference for the deer and I’m usually up in a tree-stand anyway. |
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: Why are families walking through the woods during hunting season? Why was the hunter shooting at people? Are you saying that it is the responsibility of everybody to get out of the way of hunters? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. If you are going to shoot in a woods you better know what you are shooting at. This guy will learn that lesson sitting in jail the rest of his life. |
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Originally Posted By Sorad9: I was enjoying my property in Montana about 7 years ago, had a gentleman exit his truck off the highway and proceeded onto my property to shoot a pronghorn, putting my wife and I in his back stop…. I send a friendly “how do ya do” in 7.62 his direction and he went on his merry way. Most hunters are gay and retarded. Questionable practice. One retarded action met with another. |
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Statistical anomalies aside, shit does happen. Here's a recent local one: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Deputy-with-mullet-charged-after-his-three-year-old-guns-down-people-while-turkey-hunting/5-2856221/ |
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This happened about 10 minutes from where I grew up. There's a lot of misinformation in this thread on Delaware hunting law. Regular deer season is archery from 9/1 to 1/31, with gun seasons mixed in throughout starting in October. With a deer damage permit, the season opens from 8/15 to 5/15 with the ability to use any weapon for that duration for antler less deer. Here's the interesting part, as someone here is in the wrong in a whole other way. Permits are only granted to applying landowners and the people that landowner specific lists. The hunter is from MD 45 minutes away. He MAY be on that list, but it's unconfirmed. If he is on that list, and was hunting legally, the family was walking on private property during what is a pretty intense hunting season if you're permit hunting (I've killed 6 does since 9/1 on permit). Were they trespassing? If so, had they been warned before? If so, the hunter might be in deeper water than manslaughter, as he has motive and it may not have been an accident at all. |
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Originally Posted By JHMC79: We used to have this nasty skank ho in the deer camp I’m in. She was a legacy member as her father started the club, so it was difficult to remove her. She would go out in the woods with her Remington 742 30-06. Every time she heard a noise in the bush she would unload the rifle in the direction of the sound. Same thing if she actually saw a real deer, but she never cut a hair off anything, fortunately. See, I don't believe you in the least. The Remington 742 usually can't even make it thru more then a shot or two before jamming and they beat themselves up internally very quickly. 
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Originally Posted By DubyaB: Literally never heard anyone in my life say they took or knew of anyone who shot at sounds. Or even a story of someone doing that But I hunt in the west Originally Posted By DubyaB: Originally Posted By Trailboss: I was working a deer check station at an old country store in the mountains of VA while in college, and a nimrod showed up mid-morning on opening day and was wanting to buy a box of 'thuty-thuty'. The men sitting around the coal stove asked him if he got any deer and he said all he had were 'sound shots'. He'd hear some rustling behind the rhododendron bushes and blast away but never found anything when he went to check. He ran out of ammo. Another nimrod said he had a couple of them also. I never deer hunted opening day of rifle season on public lands since then. I also stay way away from thickets of rhododendron, palmetto, etc. unless we're loudly chasing rabbits or hogs with dogs. Literally never heard anyone in my life say they took or knew of anyone who shot at sounds. Or even a story of someone doing that But I hunt in the west It’s a thing in the south and east. Fucking stupid Fudds. |
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Originally Posted By tc556guy: Used to be gun season was a few weeks and it was done and over with. Like I said earlier, now the seasons strung together add up to a third of the year. That's a long time to expect other people to not be in the woods. Originally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By StevenH: Used to be people stayed out of the woods or wore orange during deer season. Now you see mountain bikers, horseback riders, dog walkers… Used to be gun season was a few weeks and it was done and over with. Like I said earlier, now the seasons strung together add up to a third of the year. That's a long time to expect other people to not be in the woods. Especially when they are the best months of the year to be outside, as they are here in FL. I leave most of my local nat forest alone during gun season, because a) they run dogs, and b) I hunted every year for almost a decade, and understand they don't get to do it all year, so I let them have the 3 months, and c) my safety of course, and d) we have some public lands that have a higher concentration of cyclists that hunters with any sense are staying away from, historically and others where they aren't allowed. Some of my fellow cyclists don't agree with my "let them have a couple months to hunt," but not much I can do about that. Leave obvious sign that you are hunting down a road. I've turned around many times when I started down a road and encountered an obvious hunter's truck parked on the side of the road. |
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Originally Posted By tac556: A lot of “hunters” are fucking morons and/or drunks. Guess why hunter orange exists? Because of way too many incidents like this over the years. Never wear tan/brown colored clothes in the woods during deer season… This! I wear orange, ON MY OWN LAND, even when no one has permission to hunt on it during hunting season. I wonder whose land it was, and why they were hiking on it? |
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Originally Posted By akchef: “Santos Maria Chilel Soto”… With a name like that, this hunter was probably saving ICE from having to spend manpower and resources to find, arrest and deport her! That aside, Delaware being the deep blue lefty state that it is, sure threw every possible thing they could at him! “Possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony”?? It was à hunting accident, not bank robbery ffs! Shooting a person in a field while you're holding a scoped rifle isn't an "accident." If you can't definitively identify the target, you don't pull the trigger. It was pretty dark here at 7:45 pm yesterday...that's makes it that much harder, and should make you that much more vigilant. |
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: RIP, condolences to the family. Yeah, be sure of target is a rule. Why are families walking through the woods during hunting season? Why was he hunting land that had families in it? This. A whole lot of preventable errors in this |
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He fucked up, and should be brought to justice, but this: "as well as a count of possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony" is the biggest bullshit, nanny-blue-state, "gotta get those criminal gun owners" charge I've ever seen. Literally fuck the person that added that charge on, I hope the rest of their career is hell. |
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: Why are families walking through the woods during hunting season? Why was he hunting land that had families in it? I've always known there's folks out there that think this way, but to see it out loud in the wild.. I hike a lot and beyond the usual stuff I absolutely will not hike the popular spots on opening weekends and I avoid early morning and late afternoon pretty much all season. Which sucks when I'm up early from camping and want to get a move on, or push through for a couple more miles at dusk. But Bubba is eager, so I'm always vigilant. |
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Originally Posted By 346ci: Just like the range, there's some sketchy people hunting also. I avoid certain parts of our lease due to this reason. |
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