Posted: 5/3/2026 9:27:16 PM EDT
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So if I decide to upgrade to a H2D or H2S, what would I get for the money and would if be useful to me? bigger build plate - OK, I can see some usefulness there heated chamber - great for printing ABS and other filaments. I'm not impressed with ABS in the P2S twin nozzles - do you print from both nozzles at the same time? laser engraving -only works on flat surfaces What else can they do that's worth $1,500 to $2,000? Talk me off this ledge |
The laser engraver literally has a rotary attachment available, so not sure the flat only holds true.  You're asking the P2S to do too much. ABS is not ideal in a P2S. An H2D is perfectly capable. I print a shit ton of it now. Dual nozzles, same print. Perfect for interface material. It's not a silver bullet and you still need to understand use cases, but I'm a believer. If you don't need the volume or laser, just get an X2D. |
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I didn't know about the X2D. Dual nozzle, chamber heats to 65° just like the H2D. Not sure what I'd do with the laser except for NFA engraving, and it's another $500 for that feature in the H2D. Didn't know about the rotary fixture but I'll bet it's not cheap. Had I studied a little more before getting the P2S, for another hundred bucks I could have gotten the X2D. But then I had no idea of what I was getting into. The reviews of the X2D on BestBuy are not the best. Maybe some of the their owners will chime in here. |
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The X2D has only been out for a few weeks, so you won't see a ton of info out on it yet. I'm always skeptical of reviews on places like Best Buy of products like 3D printers....there is so much opportunity for user error with a great product, that it could still end up with bad reviews. I have the H2D, dual nozzle has been a game changer for multi-material prints with supports. I don't use multi-color a ton but it's also good for that. If you don't a vinyl cutter, the addon for the H2D is only $70 and has been good. Again, I don't use it a ton....but it's an option that I didn't have before. |
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Originally Posted By fox2008: The X2D has only been out for a few weeks, so you won't see a ton of info out on it yet. I'm always skeptical of reviews on places like Best Buy of products like 3D printers....there is so much opportunity for user error with a great product, that it could still end up with bad reviews. I have the H2D, dual nozzle has been a game changer for multi-material prints with supports. I don't use multi-color a ton but it's also good for that. If you don't a vinyl cutter, the addon for the H2D is only $70 and has been good. Again, I don't use it a ton....but it's an option that I didn't have before. I appreciate the info. I agree with your assessment of reviews - on any forum really. I don't do much multi-color either but my P2S does that nicely. At this point I'm primarily interested in printing 2A stuff and I'm curious if a 2 nozzle setup would be useful there. I'll just have to think seriously about it and decide if it's worth spending 2K for the H2D. A more capable machine will open up more possibilities than I possess now. |
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Originally Posted By mvintx: I appreciate the info. I agree with your assessment of reviews - on any forum really. I don't do much multi-color either but my P2S does that nicely. At this point I'm primarily interested in printing 2A stuff and I'm curious if a 2 nozzle setup would be useful there. I'll just have to think seriously about it and decide if it's worth spending 2K for the H2D. A more capable machine will open up more possibilities than I possess now. Considering how many receivers and frames require the use of supports, a dual nozzle system is ideal. Active chamber heat is ideal for nylon and abs. Both of these are relatively new features and people have been successfully printing without them for years. If you don't feel like spending a ton of money on a new setup you could look at adding a panda breath heater which would give a huge improvement on abs and nylon print quality. Looks like the P2S needs a little modification to make it fit though. |
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Originally Posted By mvintx: I appreciate the info. I agree with your assessment of reviews - on any forum really. I don't do much multi-color either but my P2S does that nicely. At this point I'm primarily interested in printing 2A stuff and I'm curious if a 2 nozzle setup would be useful there. I'll just have to think seriously about it and decide if it's worth spending 2K for the H2D. A more capable machine will open up more possibilities than I possess now. Originally Posted By mvintx: Originally Posted By fox2008: The X2D has only been out for a few weeks, so you won't see a ton of info out on it yet. I'm always skeptical of reviews on places like Best Buy of products like 3D printers....there is so much opportunity for user error with a great product, that it could still end up with bad reviews. I have the H2D, dual nozzle has been a game changer for multi-material prints with supports. I don't use multi-color a ton but it's also good for that. If you don't a vinyl cutter, the addon for the H2D is only $70 and has been good. Again, I don't use it a ton....but it's an option that I didn't have before. I appreciate the info. I agree with your assessment of reviews - on any forum really. I don't do much multi-color either but my P2S does that nicely. At this point I'm primarily interested in printing 2A stuff and I'm curious if a 2 nozzle setup would be useful there. I'll just have to think seriously about it and decide if it's worth spending 2K for the H2D. A more capable machine will open up more possibilities than I possess now. Supports for 3D prints are going to be a necessary evil for the foreseeable future, having a dual nozzle machine to do support interfaces make supports much less of an issue. The size difference between the X2D & H2D is likely the biggest difference for what you're talking about doing. If money isn't an issue, I'd go H2D.....you can always use less of the H2D bed for prints vs using more bed than the X2D has. That's a money / preference question though. Also don't listen to me.....I bought my first 3D printer less than year ago and now I have 3 of them.....I'm obviously not a sound financial adviser when it comes to this type of thing. 
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If I were you I'd sell the P2S, keep the AMS, and then just buy the X2D for 649 unless you want two AMS. I wanted a larger build plate so I don't have any regrets on the H2D but the X2D is such a wildly capable machine for the price that I see H2 sales being cannibalized quite a bit. The only benefit now is laser (which it's worthless for 2A as it only goes like 0.5 mils deep in aluminum I think), and the volume is nice but that's a huge price increase for a bit more space when the X2D is still decently sized at 256x256x256. I think the X2D is the best deal going right now, and frankly it's not even close. $100 premium over the P2S for a heater and a second nozzle is a no brainer for anyone other than people printing support free trinkets. |
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It does sound like the X2D might be the way to go. I was a little hesitant on the H2D, not so much for the cost but it's size and weight. I can get rid of the p2s pretty easily - I have someone in mind who has seen what it can do. I'm still waiting parts to fix my "blob of death" that ruined most of my toolhead. Been without the printer for about a week now and it's driving me crazy. I don't need 2 AMS so I'd let it go with the printer. It's just too handy not to have one and as a noob, I really enjoy having it. The person I sell it to will also. Worst case if I don't like the X2D, I can always pick up the H2D. This has been answered before but I forget the reply. What sort of chamber heat is required for PA6CF? I've printed it satisfactorily without heat but then I won't know how durable the item will be until I use it. Thanks for the replies guys. You all are a wealth of information. This forum has been the most fun I've had on ARFCOM in many, many years. |
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Originally Posted By mvintx: It does sound like the X2D might be the way to go. I was a little hesitant on the H2D, not so much for the cost but it's size and weight. I can get rid of the p2s pretty easily - I have someone in mind who has seen what it can do. I'm still waiting parts to fix my "blob of death" that ruined most of my toolhead. Been without the printer for about a week now and it's driving me crazy. I don't need 2 AMS so I'd let it go with the printer. It's just too handy not to have one and as a noob, I really enjoy having it. The person I sell it to will also. Worst case if I don't like the X2D, I can always pick up the H2D. This has been answered before but I forget the reply. What sort of chamber heat is required for PA6CF? I've printed it satisfactorily without heat but then I won't know how durable the item will be until I use it. Thanks for the replies guys. You all are a wealth of information. This forum has been the most fun I've had on ARFCOM in many, many years. Bambu recommends 45-60. Polymaker says 25-50 not to exceed 50. Fiberon (which is polymaker) says chamber heat not required. Vision Miner recommends 80-100. Higher temps will help with layer adhesion which is important for what you're doing. Is there such thing as too high? Probably but I don't think you're likely to reach that point on either machine. (But I'm not a material scientist) |
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Originally Posted By mvintx: It does sound like the X2D might be the way to go. I was a little hesitant on the H2D, not so much for the cost but it's size and weight. I can get rid of the p2s pretty easily - I have someone in mind who has seen what it can do. I'm still waiting parts to fix my "blob of death" that ruined most of my toolhead. Been without the printer for about a week now and it's driving me crazy. I don't need 2 AMS so I'd let it go with the printer. It's just too handy not to have one and as a noob, I really enjoy having it. The person I sell it to will also. Worst case if I don't like the X2D, I can always pick up the H2D. This has been answered before but I forget the reply. What sort of chamber heat is required for PA6CF? I've printed it satisfactorily without heat but then I won't know how durable the item will be until I use it. Thanks for the replies guys. You all are a wealth of information. This forum has been the most fun I've had on ARFCOM in many, many years. Personally I'd keep the AMS so you have 2.....especially with a dual nozzle printer. Then you have the ability to hook 1 up to each nozzle. Even if you don't anticipate loading them up with different colors / materials, the ability to have multiple spools of the same filament loaded is great....when one spool runs out, the printer will automatically switch over the next one. You never have to worry about having enough filament left on a spool to finish a print. Having a "backup" spool loaded is the primary reason I have 2 HT's on my left nozzle. Plus it's nice to be able to have more spools loaded and available to start a print without needing to make a trip to the printer....aka being lazy. 
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The hub switcher should be released soon. It will allow a single AMS to feed either nozzle. Its a compromise still as you can only have one filament loaded at a time obviously which is not true if you have two separate AMS. But regardless I welcome the flexibility of offering it and letting end users decide what is best for them. |
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Originally Posted By -Obsessed-: The hub switcher should be released soon. It will allow a single AMS to feed either nozzle. Its a compromise still as you can only have one filament loaded at a time obviously which is not true if you have two separate AMS. But regardless I welcome the flexibility of offering it and letting end users decide what is best for them. Agreed.....I need to look into it more. |
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Originally Posted By fox2008: Personally I'd keep the AMS so you have 2.....especially with a dual nozzle printer. Then you have the ability to hook 1 up to each nozzle. Even if you don't anticipate loading them up with different colors / materials, the ability to have multiple spools of the same filament loaded is great....when one spool runs out, the printer will automatically switch over the next one. You never have to worry about having enough filament left on a spool to finish a print. Having a "backup" spool loaded is the primary reason I have 2 HT's on my left nozzle. Plus it's nice to be able to have more spools loaded and available to start a print without needing to make a trip to the printer....aka being lazy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/IMG_0460-3737377.jpg From your picture it appears the two AMS HTs are feeding into what looks like a 4 in 1 adaptor and then into the back of the H2D. When one spool runs dry do you have to manually push the filament out of the other HT into the extruder? I’m not familiar with the connections back there. Similar to the P2S? |
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Originally Posted By mvintx: From your picture it appears the two AMS HTs are feeding into what looks like a 4 in 1 adaptor and then into the back of the H2D. When one spool runs dry do you have to manually push the filament out of the other HT into the extruder? I’m not familiar with the connections back there. Similar to the P2S? Originally Posted By mvintx: Originally Posted By fox2008: Personally I'd keep the AMS so you have 2.....especially with a dual nozzle printer. Then you have the ability to hook 1 up to each nozzle. Even if you don't anticipate loading them up with different colors / materials, the ability to have multiple spools of the same filament loaded is great....when one spool runs out, the printer will automatically switch over the next one. You never have to worry about having enough filament left on a spool to finish a print. Having a "backup" spool loaded is the primary reason I have 2 HT's on my left nozzle. Plus it's nice to be able to have more spools loaded and available to start a print without needing to make a trip to the printer....aka being lazy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/397309/IMG_0460-3737377.jpg From your picture it appears the two AMS HTs are feeding into what looks like a 4 in 1 adaptor and then into the back of the H2D. When one spool runs dry do you have to manually push the filament out of the other HT into the extruder? I’m not familiar with the connections back there. Similar to the P2S? Correct, the 2 HT's feed into the 4 to 1, which then feeds into the printer. Nothing manual is required, when the spool on the left goes empty it will automatically load the spool on the right....or vice versa (assuming they're the same filament). You can also have 2 different spools loaded and use them on the same print, it will just be slow because it has to load / unload filament for each change....it would work the same way your P2S / AMS works today. It's a similar setup to the P2, only there are 2 connections, one for each nozzle......and instead of being in the middle of the printer, they're located on the upper right side. 
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Like the P2S, you have to bypass the buffer to run TPU filament.....I use another 4 to 1 adapter on the right nozzle so I don't have to move PTFE tubes around to print TPU. Not my picture but it looks like this. 
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Thanks for the pic and explanation. Makes more sense to me now. Now to decide....X2D or H2D  . Too many choices out there. Like a restaurant menu.I see Best Buy offers a 3 year warranty for $180. Anybody think it's worth getting? I wouldn't look forward to hauling a 60+ lb machine 80 miles to the nearest Best Buy. |
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Originally Posted By mvintx: Thanks for the pic and explanation. Makes more sense to me now. Now to decide....X2D or H2D . Too many choices out there. Like a restaurant menu.The X2D second nozzle isn't direct drive and will not print as high quality as the H2D second nozzle. It is mainly billed for use with support material. Not necessarily a deal breaker just something to be aware of. |
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Originally Posted By fox2008: Like the P2S, you have to bypass the buffer to run TPU filament.....I use another 4 to 1 adapter on the right nozzle so I don't have to move PTFE tubes around to print TPU. Not my picture but it looks like this. https://makerworld.bblmw.com/makerworld/model/1575376/comment/de331350-e99a-11f0-b409-8b2e5e1362b4.jpg Did you print that holder for the 4 in 1? I got my H2D a couple of days ago, boy it is a monster compared to the P2S. |
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Originally Posted By fox2008: Like the P2S, you have to bypass the buffer to run TPU filament.....I use another 4 to 1 adapter on the right nozzle so I don't have to move PTFE tubes around to print TPU. Not my picture but it looks like this. https://makerworld.bblmw.com/makerworld/model/1575376/comment/de331350-e99a-11f0-b409-8b2e5e1362b4.jpg Did you print that holder for the 4 in 1? I got my H2D a couple of days ago, boy it is a monster compared to the P2S. Oh, nevermind. You said it was not your printer. Don't know how to cancel a post. |
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Originally Posted By mvintx: Did you print that holder for the 4 in 1? I got my H2D a couple of days ago, boy it is a monster compared to the P2S. Oh, nevermind. You said it was not your printer. Don't know how to cancel a post. Originally Posted By mvintx: Originally Posted By fox2008: Like the P2S, you have to bypass the buffer to run TPU filament.....I use another 4 to 1 adapter on the right nozzle so I don't have to move PTFE tubes around to print TPU. Not my picture but it looks like this. https://makerworld.bblmw.com/makerworld/model/1575376/comment/de331350-e99a-11f0-b409-8b2e5e1362b4.jpg Did you print that holder for the 4 in 1? I got my H2D a couple of days ago, boy it is a monster compared to the P2S. Oh, nevermind. You said it was not your printer. Don't know how to cancel a post. Yep....it works good. I had to play with the length of the PTFE tube from the buffer to the 4 in 1 when I first installed it but haven't touched it since. |
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