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10/20/2025 10:56:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tnriverluver][Edited]
All our intell agencies were given a one year extension to release everything to the National Archives by Sept 30 this year.  I don't know yet if that happened or not on defiance of Congress.  it's 4 hours long!

Global Disclosure Day 2025 - Live Broadcast
10/20/2025 12:24:48 PM EDT
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TLDW
10/20/2025 1:16:45 PM EDT
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I’ll watch when I can, but are there any high points you can relate until then?
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10/20/2025 1:23:21 PM EDT
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I took a transcription and had AI do a summary;


# Global Disclosure Day 2025: Key Points Summary

## Event Context

Second annual Global Disclosure Day (October 20, 2025) organized by New Paradigm Institute, focused on demanding UFO/UAP disclosure after 80+ years of government secrecy.

## Current Legislative Status

- **UAP Disclosure Act failed** to pass Congress for third consecutive year
- Rep. Eric Burleson preparing **standalone bill** as alternative path
- **September 30 deadline** for agencies to submit records to National Archives (extended from October 2024)
- Debate on whether current disclosure “cycle” has ended (Carl Nell) or continues (Richard Dolan, Kirk McConnell)

## What Evidence Suggests Would Be Revealed

1. **Recovered non-human craft and biologics** - multiple whistleblowers claim firsthand knowledge
1. **Reverse engineering programs** within defense contractors (Lockheed Martin specifically mentioned)
1. **Multiple non-human species** with varying intents
1. **Advanced propulsion/energy technology** that could disrupt global energy markets
1. **Decades of illegal secrecy** and potential criminal activity
1. **Possible agreements** between governments and NHI

## Key Systemic Issues

- **National security state** operating outside constitutional oversight
- **Active disinformation campaigns** against public and Congress
- **Inadequate whistleblower protections** deterring disclosure
- **Congressional staff resistance** - career concerns override investigation
- **Institutional capture** - military-industrial complex controls narrative

## Nature of the Phenomenon (Emerging Consensus)

- **Nuclear correlation**: Intensified presence since 1945, frequent incursions at nuclear facilities
- **Increasing visibility**: Dramatic uptick in sightings/encounters globally
- **Sophisticated surveillance**: Precision tracking of military capabilities while denying human data collection
- **Consciousness interaction**: Strong experiencer testimony suggesting telepathic/spiritual dimensions
- **Environmental concern**: Indigenous and experiencer accounts emphasize warnings about planetary destruction

## Competing Interpretations

- **Optimistic**: Consciousness elevation, technological assistance, preventing nuclear catastrophe
- **Cautious**: Unknown intents, possible manipulation, need for human sovereignty (Reed Summers)
- **Pragmatic**: Too cognitively advanced for meaningful communication (Richard Dolan’s “IQ 500 vs 120” analogy)

## Path Forward

1. **Grassroots organizing**: Citizens for Disclosure expanding to all 50 states
1. **Congressional pressure**: Target specific committee chairs (Rogers, Crawford, Jordan)
1. **Whistleblower mobilization**: Identify legacy program participants
1. **Executive engagement**: Trump administration seen as potentially disclosure-friendly
1. **Scientific investigation**: Private initiatives (Galileo Project, SOL Foundation) bypassing government gatekeepers

## Critical Insight

The phenomenon appears to be forcing disclosure through **increased public visibility** rather than waiting for government acknowledgment—a strategy of “going around” institutional resistance by raising mass consciousness directly.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​
“The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend.” - Henri Bergson
10/20/2025 1:28:37 PM EDT
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10/20/2025 2:13:01 PM EDT
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I managed to listen to the entire thing and stay awake somehow through all of it.  It was interesting but nothing earth shattering that most here aren't already aware of.   Probably the movie Age of Disclosure will awaken more people to the existence of NHI than this will but towards the end NHI became more of the theme especially with Chris Bledsoe sp? being a speaker.  It really does appear there is some agreement however between humans and NHI now more than ever after watching that will prevent full disclosure from happening without possible serious consequences to humanity of some sort.  What I have no idea.  It's worth the watch or listen as I did through headphones if you have the time.
For me the first hour or so listening to Danny Sheehan brought out the most new to me info.  Also Dolan just a day or so ago released an interview 3pt series of an interview he did with someone that was actually at a UFO crash and retrieval in 1953 that really changed our world apparently that is most definitely worth the listen.
10/20/2025 3:55:01 PM EDT
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Until I am placing bunny ears on one of our interstellar visitors MY OWN SELF, this is all just typical crowd manipulation to me.  I refuse to believe any of these cats.  To me, it's all a psy-op until proven otherwise
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10/20/2025 7:44:04 PM EDT
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An 80 year psy-op.

To what end, exactly?  Why are other nations participating in this supposed psy-op?

How is this psy-op causing people all over the world to experience things that defy explanation?

Why is this psy-op depicted throughout recorded history?
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
10/20/2025 8:37:43 PM EDT
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An 80 year psy-op.

To what end, exactly?  Why are other nations participating in this supposed psy-op?

How is this psy-op causing people all over the world to experience things that defy explanation?

Why is this psy-op depicted throughout recorded history?
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You misunderstand me.  

The phenomenon are real and are experienced by all walks of life.

The guys who are telling you they know what it is, where it came from, etc?  Liars.  All of them.

Now.  The guys like Vallee, who have theories?  THAT is completely different.  Those folks are genuinely interested about investigating and trying to understand what is going on. But if someone tells you they know what the phenomenon is (are)...they are bullshitting you.

A HUGE portion of the guys who are whistleblowers are from the Intelligence Community.    It has been demonstrated more than once that THAT community has NO ONE'S best interest at heart.  From Willam B Cooper to that schmuck that testified before congress last year...liars...the lot of them.

I absolutely do NOT believe the U.S. Government has a handle on anything that is going on when it comes to UFOs.
"Such predicaments! I must forge ahead!"
10/20/2025 9:06:49 PM EDT
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UPDATE
I managed to listen to the entire thing and stay awake somehow through all of it.  It was interesting but nothing earth shattering that most here aren't already aware of.   Probably the movie Age of Disclosure will awaken more people to the existence of NHI than this will but towards the end NHI became more of the theme especially with Chris Bledsoe sp? being a speaker.  It really does appear there is some agreement however between humans and NHI now more than ever after watching that will prevent full disclosure from happening without possible serious consequences to humanity of some sort.  What I have no idea.  It's worth the watch or listen as I did through headphones if you have the time.
For me the first hour or so listening to Danny Sheehan brought out the most new to me info.  Also Dolan just a day or so ago released an interview 3pt series of an interview he did with someone that was actually at a UFO crash and retrieval in 1953 that really changed our world apparently that is most definitely worth the listen.
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This site still needs a fucking like button. Thanks for taking one for the team.

I think that after the Amazon special drops, about 10% of the population might sit up and take notice. No idea about the Spielberg movie or its actual contents, but if it's also valid info, let's say another 20%.

Will it be enough to drag us kicking and screaming towards the truth? Whatever that might be?

Again, the old curse: May you live in interesting times.
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10/20/2025 9:43:45 PM EDT
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I’m currently of the thought that Jacques Vallee and Diana Pasulka are potentially the two highest profile people with a real idea of what is going on in this space.
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10/20/2025 10:03:12 PM EDT
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You misunderstand me.  

The phenomenon are real and are experienced by all walks of life.

The guys who are telling you they know what it is, where it came from, etc?  Liars.  All of them.

Now.  The guys like Vallee, who have theories?  THAT is completely different.  Those folks are genuinely interested about investigating and trying to understand what is going on. But if someone tells you they know what the phenomenon is (are)...they are bullshitting you.

A HUGE portion of the guys who are whistleblowers are from the Intelligence Community.    It has been demonstrated more than once that THAT community has NO ONE'S best interest at heart.  From Willam B Cooper to that schmuck that testified before congress last year...liars...the lot of them.

I absolutely do NOT believe the U.S. Government has a handle on anything that is going on when it comes to UFOs.
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Originally Posted By Cypher214:
An 80 year psy-op.

To what end, exactly?  Why are other nations participating in this supposed psy-op?

How is this psy-op causing people all over the world to experience things that defy explanation?

Why is this psy-op depicted throughout recorded history?
You misunderstand me.  

The phenomenon are real and are experienced by all walks of life.

The guys who are telling you they know what it is, where it came from, etc?  Liars.  All of them.

Now.  The guys like Vallee, who have theories?  THAT is completely different.  Those folks are genuinely interested about investigating and trying to understand what is going on. But if someone tells you they know what the phenomenon is (are)...they are bullshitting you.

A HUGE portion of the guys who are whistleblowers are from the Intelligence Community.    It has been demonstrated more than once that THAT community has NO ONE'S best interest at heart.  From Willam B Cooper to that schmuck that testified before congress last year...liars...the lot of them.

I absolutely do NOT believe the U.S. Government has a handle on anything that is going on when it comes to UFOs.
Fair enough.  I don't disagree with you.

I'm skeptical of all the "nuts and bolts" talk.  I agree that the government knows less than they wish but they certainly have more data than is publicly available.  I think they're closely guarding the data because admitting they don't have a fucking clue is much more terrifying to the general public than "aliens are visiting Earth".
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
10/20/2025 10:09:02 PM EDT
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Jacques was the pioneer of the "woo" aspects of the phenomenon.  He had the right perspective from the very beginning but the average Joe has enough trouble accepting "aliens are flying here from another planet in spaceships" without trying to comprehend a metaphysical phenomenon that interacts with human consciousness and may very well be operating outside perceivable reality.  One requires an open mind and the other requires some personal exploration to even begin to grasp the concept.
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
10/21/2025 7:08:00 AM EDT
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Jacques was the pioneer of the "woo" aspects of the phenomenon.  He had the right perspective from the very beginning but the average Joe has enough trouble accepting "aliens are flying here from another planet in spaceships" without trying to comprehend a metaphysical phenomenon that interacts with human consciousness and may very well be operating outside perceivable reality.  One requires an open mind and the other requires some personal exploration to even begin to grasp the concept.
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Originally Posted By macman37:
I'm currently of the thought that Jacques Vallee and Diana Pasulka are potentially the two highest profile people with a real idea of what is going on in this space.
Jacques was the pioneer of the "woo" aspects of the phenomenon.  He had the right perspective from the very beginning but the average Joe has enough trouble accepting "aliens are flying here from another planet in spaceships" without trying to comprehend a metaphysical phenomenon that interacts with human consciousness and may very well be operating outside perceivable reality.  One requires an open mind and the other requires some personal exploration to even begin to grasp the concept.


Yes - agree completely.

He can be a little infuriating at times when it comes to nailing him down - he’s very good at not wanting to be in the center of the spotlight, much like Garry Nolan…

That leap (personal exploration) is something that I am telling people now … IMO the nature of what that means could very well be capital-D “Disclosure”, and is happening right now while people are tapping their toes and impatiently checking their watches assuming that “disclosure” is a video or images or documentation that proves we have “aliens”… it’s not about that, guys.

It’s about reality being not what we’ve been taught it to be. Either we all take that proverbial red pill and transform from Mr. Anderson to Neo… or we go back to sleep.

(Sidebar: I think it’s high time we got the Wachowskis and Spielberg together and asked them some questions about how they knew so much about all of this… )
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10/21/2025 8:25:57 AM EDT
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Yes - agree completely.

He can be a little infuriating at times when it comes to nailing him down - he's very good at not wanting to be in the center of the spotlight, much like Garry Nolan

That leap (personal exploration) is something that I am telling people now   IMO the nature of what that means could very well be capital-D "Disclosure", and is happening right now while people are tapping their toes and impatiently checking their watches assuming that "disclosure" is a video or images or documentation that proves we have "aliens"  it's not about that, guys.

It's about reality being not what we've been taught it to be. Either we all take that proverbial red pill and transform from Mr. Anderson to Neo  or we go back to sleep.

(Sidebar: I think it's high time we got the Wachowskis and Spielberg together and asked them some questions about how they knew so much about all of this  )
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Originally Posted By macman37:
I'm currently of the thought that Jacques Vallee and Diana Pasulka are potentially the two highest profile people with a real idea of what is going on in this space.
Jacques was the pioneer of the "woo" aspects of the phenomenon.  He had the right perspective from the very beginning but the average Joe has enough trouble accepting "aliens are flying here from another planet in spaceships" without trying to comprehend a metaphysical phenomenon that interacts with human consciousness and may very well be operating outside perceivable reality.  One requires an open mind and the other requires some personal exploration to even begin to grasp the concept.


Yes - agree completely.

He can be a little infuriating at times when it comes to nailing him down - he's very good at not wanting to be in the center of the spotlight, much like Garry Nolan

That leap (personal exploration) is something that I am telling people now   IMO the nature of what that means could very well be capital-D "Disclosure", and is happening right now while people are tapping their toes and impatiently checking their watches assuming that "disclosure" is a video or images or documentation that proves we have "aliens"  it's not about that, guys.

It's about reality being not what we've been taught it to be. Either we all take that proverbial red pill and transform from Mr. Anderson to Neo  or we go back to sleep.

(Sidebar: I think it's high time we got the Wachowskis and Spielberg together and asked them some questions about how they knew so much about all of this  )
Unfortunately, the Wachowskis now claim The Matrix was a commentary on living as a trans person.
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
10/21/2025 10:06:37 AM EDT
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I agree. Nolan too. The Malmgren interview…

I do find myself reading between the lines on Philip J. Corso and his book The Day After Roswell.   Reading it you can see two books overlaid. The author’s work in his voice, and then added and edited content in a different voice(s) where things were made to be outlandish or edited to make it less credible.

Pasulka though. I think she is the one that really made a breakthrough.  American Cosmic is important.

I have noticed she has to moderate what she says in more recent interviews.  It seems like she is being forced to back away.
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10/21/2025 10:09:51 AM EDT
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Fair enough.  I don't disagree with you.

I'm skeptical of all the "nuts and bolts" talk.  I agree that the government knows less than they wish but they certainly have more data than is publicly available.  I think they're closely guarding the data because admitting they don't have a fucking clue is much more terrifying to the general public than "aliens are visiting Earth".
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I had assumed the nuts and bolts, and discounted the “woo” for a long time. Hollywood programming worked.

Yet, I am religious, which to non religious is “the woo”.

It took a lot to break through to see that maybe they aren't all separate things.

Angels use swords.  Do demons use iphones?
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10/21/2025 10:29:13 AM EDT
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I had assumed the nuts and bolts, and discounted the “woo” for a long time. Hollywood programming worked.

Yet, I am religious, which to non religious is “the woo”.

It took a lot to break through to see that maybe they aren't all separate things.

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More people need to read C.S. Lewis’s “That Hideous Strength.” Though written in the 1940s, it has an awful lot of themes in common with our own time.

SPOILERS.

The bad guys in it are progressive technocrats who are seeking to rule humanity according to “scientific” principles and who are, wittingly or not, doing the bidding of “macrobes.” The “macrobes” are non-human intelligences occupying a different plane of existence, which these men think they’ve discovered. They are, in fact, demons.

People - be careful what you wish for. It’s dangerous to poke into things that may be spiritual in nature.
10/21/2025 11:16:23 AM EDT
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You are leaving out Hal Puthof.  He knows I believe every single thing there is to know about this after running the Gateway program.
I checked this morning and that has gotten 22k views so there is definitely some interest.  I just don't believe now that it can ever be fully exposed with even Trump saying he knows what the NJ drones are but doesn't have the authority to tell.
10/21/2025 1:12:19 PM EDT
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well now it's absolutely scientifically proven and peer reviewed the these objects are real and do exist.  And if I recall the university where these slides were taken destroyed several 100k slides trying to prevent these findings from coming out.  Sorry sceptics but you lose and we now officially live in a new reality that's even stranger than most of you can even imagine but it's also awesome!
I'm linking Christina over the longer Ross Coulthart video because of awesome tatas!

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10/21/2025 3:31:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:

You are leaving out Hal Puthof.  He knows I believe every single thing there is to know about this after running the Gateway program.
I checked this morning and that has gotten 22k views so there is definitely some interest.  I just don't believe now that it can ever be fully exposed with even Trump saying he knows what the NJ drones are but doesn't have the authority to tell.
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Originally Posted By macman37:
I’m currently of the thought that Jacques Vallee and Diana Pasulka are potentially the two highest profile people with a real idea of what is going on in this space.

You are leaving out Hal Puthof.  He knows I believe every single thing there is to know about this after running the Gateway program.
I checked this morning and that has gotten 22k views so there is definitely some interest.  I just don't believe now that it can ever be fully exposed with even Trump saying he knows what the NJ drones are but doesn't have the authority to tell.


Not with intent but you’re right. Puthoff is right up there with Vallee and Pasulka.
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10/22/2025 6:12:48 PM EDT
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More people need to read C.S. Lewis's "That Hideous Strength." Though written in the 1940s, it has an awful lot of themes in common with our own time.

SPOILERS.

The bad guys in it are progressive technocrats who are seeking to rule humanity according to "scientific" principles and who are, wittingly or not, doing the bidding of "macrobes." The "macrobes" are non-human intelligences occupying a different plane of existence, which these men think they've discovered. They are, in fact, demons.

People - be careful what you wish for. It's dangerous to poke into things that may be spiritual in nature.
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The whole trilogy is excellent.


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10/22/2025 9:05:49 PM EDT
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I stumbled on a YouTube channel called Astral Legends and got hooked. Someone spent a hell of a lot of time tying together what they either know or believe to know about our history. Could be all bs but a fascinating watch that is very thought provoking
10/22/2025 9:46:55 PM EDT
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Humans have two traits that play against us discovering our history.

We collect and we recycle.

We love to find and hoard. For example, museums are the destruction of history.  We move things hundreds or thousands of miles from where they were found.  They items get broken up, lost, destroyed.  It’s terrible.  Plus we scour the earth for ancient things. Clean away broadheads or flint tools, or shell casings or musket shot.  All the way back.

Second we recycle.  How many roman buildings use stone from the Colosseum? How much gold or metal has been smelted back down and reused?  Almost Anything we find that can be reused has been. We just find things and repurpose them. Only one Antikythera mechanism has been found, but hundreds or thousands have probably been melted down for tools, weapons, coins. You name it.
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10/22/2025 10:53:59 PM EDT
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Humans have two traits that play against us discovering our history.

We collect and we recycle.

We love to find and hoard. For example, museums are the destruction of history.  We move things hundreds or thousands of miles from where they were found.  They items get broken up, lost, destroyed.  It's terrible.  Plus we scour the earth for ancient things. Clean away broadheads or flint tools, or shell casings or musket shot.  All the way back.

Second we recycle.  How many roman buildings use stone from the Colosseum? How much gold or metal has been smelted back down and reused?  Almost Anything we find that can be reused has been. We just find things and repurpose them. Only one Antikythera mechanism has been found, but hundreds or thousands have probably been melted down for tools, weapons, coins. You name it.
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I stumbled on a YouTube channel called Astral Legends and got hooked. Someone spent a hell of a lot of time tying together what they either know or believe to know about our history. Could be all bs but a fascinating watch that is very thought provoking


Humans have two traits that play against us discovering our history.

We collect and we recycle.

We love to find and hoard. For example, museums are the destruction of history.  We move things hundreds or thousands of miles from where they were found.  They items get broken up, lost, destroyed.  It's terrible.  Plus we scour the earth for ancient things. Clean away broadheads or flint tools, or shell casings or musket shot.  All the way back.

Second we recycle.  How many roman buildings use stone from the Colosseum? How much gold or metal has been smelted back down and reused?  Almost Anything we find that can be reused has been. We just find things and repurpose them. Only one Antikythera mechanism has been found, but hundreds or thousands have probably been melted down for tools, weapons, coins. You name it.
We also destroy.  Imagine what the Giza plateau would look like if it hadn't been conquered and pillaged by multiple civilizations.
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
10/23/2025 12:52:44 PM EDT
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Humans have two traits that play against us discovering our history.

We collect and we recycle.

We love to find and hoard. For example, museums are the destruction of history.  We move things hundreds or thousands of miles from where they were found.  They items get broken up, lost, destroyed.  It’s terrible.  Plus we scour the earth for ancient things. Clean away broadheads or flint tools, or shell casings or musket shot.  All the way back.

Second we recycle.  How many roman buildings use stone from the Colosseum? How much gold or metal has been smelted back down and reused?  Almost Anything we find that can be reused has been. We just find things and repurpose them. Only one Antikythera mechanism has been found, but hundreds or thousands have probably been melted down for tools, weapons, coins. You name it.
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Originally Posted By El_Jefes_Stache:
I stumbled on a YouTube channel called Astral Legends and got hooked. Someone spent a hell of a lot of time tying together what they either know or believe to know about our history. Could be all bs but a fascinating watch that is very thought provoking


Humans have two traits that play against us discovering our history.

We collect and we recycle.

We love to find and hoard. For example, museums are the destruction of history.  We move things hundreds or thousands of miles from where they were found.  They items get broken up, lost, destroyed.  It’s terrible.  Plus we scour the earth for ancient things. Clean away broadheads or flint tools, or shell casings or musket shot.  All the way back.

Second we recycle.  How many roman buildings use stone from the Colosseum? How much gold or metal has been smelted back down and reused?  Almost Anything we find that can be reused has been. We just find things and repurpose them. Only one Antikythera mechanism has been found, but hundreds or thousands have probably been melted down for tools, weapons, coins. You name it.


Honestly, some of it needs to be collected and displayed, but it should be findable when it's located.  Like at the site a QR code showing which museum(s) have pieces and photos of them on little plinths around and *cough* when the Smithsonian gets everything online in photos *cough* they could put tablets on the plinths so the pictures can fill in temporarily, same with other museums getting their material online so that you can find it.

We see what happens if nothing is done to preserve when looking at artifacts from messico to South America, pillaged and sold and completely gone, so that's the argument I have for museums collecting things, I just wish we knew which museums held what and things were easy to find.

The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
10/24/2025 10:00:04 AM EDT
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Just thinking of the math involved in drafting those original casing stones with all the angles involved gives me a panic attack and that was the easy part. No CAD back then.
10/24/2025 10:07:19 AM EDT
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Just thinking of the math involved in drafting those original casing stones with all the angles involved gives me a panic attack and that was the easy part. No CAD back then.
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Originally Posted By Cypher214:
We also destroy.  Imagine what the Giza plateau would look like if it hadn't been conquered and pillaged by multiple civilizations.


Just thinking of the math involved in drafting those original casing stones with all the angles involved gives me a panic attack and that was the easy part. No CAD back then.
It would be a hell of an undertaking in plastic or foam, yet they did it with stone.
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
10/24/2025 10:14:26 AM EDT
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Disclaimer, I have not watched this yet but it sounds interesting.  I will watch in a few minutes.

ETA Fucking WOW!!! This stuff is almost insane but sounds really plausible especially where humanity is now.

Did UFOs Guide Human Evolution? A Radical New Theory
10/24/2025 10:45:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver:
Disclaimer, I have not watched this yet but it sounds interesting.  I will watch in a few minutes.

ETA Fucking WOW!!! This stuff is almost insane but sounds really plausible especially where humanity is now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gISU2sMNLFU
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My issue with Dolan is he very rarely has an original thought or new infomation, he repackages ideas that have been part of the lore for many years.
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.

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