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This is a pretty good video, fed all Göbekli Tepe data (LIDAR, GPR, Photos, etc. ) Instructed to ignore sub-discipline limits (aka "Earth is only x years old" rules and other pearls that are held on so tight understanding progress is impossible due to starting out handicapped, sort of like UAP aren't real, then have all sorts of reports on something that isn't real) TL;DR -- Not Everything is a Temple or Brothel.  Grok AI Finally Reveals Who Built Göbekli Tepe — With Proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZp50s09TJc |
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| Relief carvings are the most fascinating aspect to me. That’s got to be the toughest way to carve out of stone. Why not just carve into the stone like a regular obelisk of Egypt? |
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: Relief carvings are the most fascinating aspect to me. That’s got to be the toughest way to carve out of stone. Why not just carve into the stone like a regular obelisk of Egypt? That is a global phenomenon. From oral traditions to somewhat written (pictograph)() with oral history undoubtedly make it abundantly clear that the best examples of their artifacts are the oldest from the "old ones"/when time started. Hundreds for years added on and the quality kept falling down,possibly due to specialized tools breaking, possibly due to expertise dying off and maybe a bit of both. It's entirely fascinating that it's a global phenomenon and that the sites in Turkey are likely different areas of a library to show people what to be aware of and something that future people mind find to have left some smallest bit of a mark on Earth. There's a huge language gap, the way we take smart phones and computers for granted and talking a bout downloading and the like. They might have had a different technology and they could be talking about it to us and we're missing it since the translator assumed it was simply a filler word and skipped it so full 2 way translation isn't complete for some areas? We could have been going this whole time looking at buried libraries with sealed areas and when looked at, Smithsonian says likely a temple or bath area and that's that. I can see holding onto that timeline and purposes so tightly if it's your theory, but it's like hand me down 3 times over theory that has enough counter data to force a re-examination of it but they refuse to and take the route of working less to the public as long as the grant money keeps coming. |
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I think it is pretty clear by now, that there was civilization before the end of the last ice age. I don't know how advanced it was, but it wasn't just all hunter gatherers. I think the evidence is pretty clear about that. And it was global, which suggests a significant technically oriented civilization, one that at least had aircraft. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: ... And it was global, which suggests a significant technically oriented civilization, one that at least had aircraft. @Mach What is your take on the Nazca lines? Simply a pattern to walk since that was the town layout? Something for Hot air balloons? Fixed Wing/anti-gravity flight? Orbital observation? Just randomly placed? You can pick more than one. |
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Originally Posted By brass: @Mach What is your take on the Nazca lines? Simply a pattern to walk since that was the town layout? Something for Hot air balloons? Fixed Wing/anti-gravity flight? Orbital observation? Just randomly placed? You can pick more than one. for the other ones I suspect they were made for the gods to see as they flew by or they had flight too, not just the gods For a people that should have been concerned about where their next meal was coming from if they were truly hunter gatherers they sure did spend a lot of time and energy making huge diagrams that can only be seen from the air and mega stone structures oriented to the stars IMO, it is an obvious conclusion that there had to be significant organized civilization that had a lot of time and energy that did not have to be devoted to surviving. They were obviously not all hunter gatherers. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: IMO the long straight ones look too much like a prepared landing surface to not be for the other ones I suspect they were made for the gods to see as they flew by or they had flight too, not just the gods For a people that should have been concerned about where their next meal was coming from if they were truly hunter gatherers they sure did spend a lot of time and energy making huge diagrams that can only be seen from the air and mega stone structures oriented to the stars IMO, it is an obvious conclusion that there had to be significant organized civilization that had a lot of time and energy that did not have to be devoted to surviving. They were obviously not all hunter gatherers. That switch from hunter gatherers was long ago. There's a video about it I think it was posted in this forum. It's the history of pants. Following time and migration of pants (clothing) that separated the loincloth followed by Kilt wearing to durable pants and how it spread across areas which must have had agriculture and animal husbandry as the pants they've found are wool and shearing wild sheep is a bit difficult, as is hunting enough to cut the fur without keeping them alive. It goes back a long way and their dating of them is off due to fires and handling prior to the museum and several fragments. They were put together way different as well, definitely not your typical button up 501s.  The Invention of the Trousers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7siWwzibs Once you go from there and then get to DaVinci type guy who asks "why not, could make it this way if I had metal" and then metal foundries are made and the world changes radically, the Renaissance period would be the elbow in the exponential graph of progress. |
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Originally Posted By brass: That switch from hunter gatherers was long ago. There's a video about it I think it was posted in this forum. It's the history of pants. Following time and migration of pants (clothing) that separated the loincloth followed by Kilt wearing to durable pants and how it spread across areas which must have had agriculture and animal husbandry as the pants they've found are wool and shearing wild sheep is a bit difficult, as is hunting enough to cut the fur without keeping them alive. It goes back a long way and their dating of them is off due to fires and handling prior to the museum and several fragments. They were put together way different as well, definitely not your typical button up 501s.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7siWwzibshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7siWwzibs Once you go from there and then get to DaVinci type guy who asks "why not, could make it this way if I had metal" and then metal foundries are made and the world changes radically, the Renaissance period would be the elbow in the exponential graph of progress. Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Mach: IMO the long straight ones look too much like a prepared landing surface to not be for the other ones I suspect they were made for the gods to see as they flew by or they had flight too, not just the gods For a people that should have been concerned about where their next meal was coming from if they were truly hunter gatherers they sure did spend a lot of time and energy making huge diagrams that can only be seen from the air and mega stone structures oriented to the stars IMO, it is an obvious conclusion that there had to be significant organized civilization that had a lot of time and energy that did not have to be devoted to surviving. They were obviously not all hunter gatherers. That switch from hunter gatherers was long ago. There's a video about it I think it was posted in this forum. It's the history of pants. Following time and migration of pants (clothing) that separated the loincloth followed by Kilt wearing to durable pants and how it spread across areas which must have had agriculture and animal husbandry as the pants they've found are wool and shearing wild sheep is a bit difficult, as is hunting enough to cut the fur without keeping them alive. It goes back a long way and their dating of them is off due to fires and handling prior to the museum and several fragments. They were put together way different as well, definitely not your typical button up 501s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7siWwzibshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7siWwzibs Once you go from there and then get to DaVinci type guy who asks "why not, could make it this way if I had metal" and then metal foundries are made and the world changes radically, the Renaissance period would be the elbow in the exponential graph of progress. I posted about it long ago when I was causing an uproar in general but there was a plasma physicist that demonstrated that many of the figures such as the monkey looking one and others were also shapes that his plasma experiments created. Not the runway looking ones but the strange figurines carved into the ground as if warning of a giant solar flash that happened long ago. Truth? IDK. I’m certain those videos are still online. I will never forget going to the movies back in Jr High or HS and watching that film though. It gave me chills then and still gives me chills today when they are shown From high altitude. Chariot’s of the Gods. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I posted about it long ago when I was causing an uproar in general but there was a plasma physicist that demonstrated that many of the figures such as the monkey looking one and others were also shapes that his plasma experiments created. Not the runway looking ones but the strange figurines carved into the ground as if warning of a giant solar flash that happened long ago. Truth? IDK. I’m certain those videos are still online. I will never forget going to the movies back in Jr High or HS and watching that film though. It gave me chills then and still gives me chills today when they are shown From high altitude. Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Mach: IMO the long straight ones look too much like a prepared landing surface to not be for the other ones I suspect they were made for the gods to see as they flew by or they had flight too, not just the gods For a people that should have been concerned about where their next meal was coming from if they were truly hunter gatherers they sure did spend a lot of time and energy making huge diagrams that can only be seen from the air and mega stone structures oriented to the stars IMO, it is an obvious conclusion that there had to be significant organized civilization that had a lot of time and energy that did not have to be devoted to surviving. They were obviously not all hunter gatherers. That switch from hunter gatherers was long ago. There's a video about it I think it was posted in this forum. It's the history of pants. Following time and migration of pants (clothing) that separated the loincloth followed by Kilt wearing to durable pants and how it spread across areas which must have had agriculture and animal husbandry as the pants they've found are wool and shearing wild sheep is a bit difficult, as is hunting enough to cut the fur without keeping them alive. It goes back a long way and their dating of them is off due to fires and handling prior to the museum and several fragments. They were put together way different as well, definitely not your typical button up 501s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7siWwzibshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl7siWwzibs Once you go from there and then get to DaVinci type guy who asks "why not, could make it this way if I had metal" and then metal foundries are made and the world changes radically, the Renaissance period would be the elbow in the exponential graph of progress. I posted about it long ago when I was causing an uproar in general but there was a plasma physicist that demonstrated that many of the figures such as the monkey looking one and others were also shapes that his plasma experiments created. Not the runway looking ones but the strange figurines carved into the ground as if warning of a giant solar flash that happened long ago. Truth? IDK. I’m certain those videos are still online. I will never forget going to the movies back in Jr High or HS and watching that film though. It gave me chills then and still gives me chills today when they are shown From high altitude.  Advanced Ancient Man and the Petroglyph Mystery Posted this in the “who built the ancient megalithic structures” GD thread. The micronova is an interesting hypothesis that there seems to be a growing body of evidence to support. The daily 3-5 minute updates from this channel are fascinating and worth following. The live streams are a whole different animal lol. ETA: I had the wrong video linked, fixed. Worth the watch.  THE DISASTER CYCLE - The Evidence |
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Originally Posted By brass: That switch from hunter gatherers was long ago. It's also generally a myth that hunter-gatherers spent every waking minute trying to stay alive. They had plenty of spare time, especially after they started making more efficient tools and developing more sophisticated methods. Think buffalo jumps or stone pens out on a savannah that animals her driven into to be slaughtered. Fish traps made of stones along the shorelines of ancient lakes. H-Gs had plenty of time. Enough to sit around, become sedentary, and develop agriculture.  Ok, that's not really how it happened (probably), but H-Gs were not literally hanging on by a thread every day, a few failed hunts from starvation. They made art, had oral histories, took care of sick, injured, or elderly members, etc. All the things you wouldn't do if you were on the verge of death every day. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: It's also generally a myth that hunter-gatherers spent every waking minute trying to stay alive. They had plenty of spare time, especially after they started making more efficient tools and developing more sophisticated methods. Think buffalo jumps or stone pens out on a savannah that animals her driven into to be slaughtered. Fish traps made of stones along the shorelines of ancient lakes. H-Gs had plenty of time. Enough to sit around, become sedentary, and develop agriculture. Ok, that's not really how it happened (probably), but H-Gs were not literally hanging on by a thread every day, a few failed hunts from starvation. They made art, had oral histories, took care of sick, injured, or elderly members, etc. All the things you wouldn't do if you were on the verge of death every day. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By brass: That switch from hunter gatherers was long ago. It's also generally a myth that hunter-gatherers spent every waking minute trying to stay alive. They had plenty of spare time, especially after they started making more efficient tools and developing more sophisticated methods. Think buffalo jumps or stone pens out on a savannah that animals her driven into to be slaughtered. Fish traps made of stones along the shorelines of ancient lakes. H-Gs had plenty of time. Enough to sit around, become sedentary, and develop agriculture. Ok, that's not really how it happened (probably), but H-Gs were not literally hanging on by a thread every day, a few failed hunts from starvation. They made art, had oral histories, took care of sick, injured, or elderly members, etc. All the things you wouldn't do if you were on the verge of death every day. I think Native Americans are good examples of the H-G "on the verge". The southern ones developed corn as it was temperate and their housing was more stout than the Sioux and other Northern Tribes which would follow the buffalo. The hunting was the easy part. The gathering was women and children and working all the time and all the kids were everybody's children and the smart ones were chosen to apprentice for memorizing and telling stories and their history, while a few others would be taking the medicine man route (Having a flash from the movie "Willow" here....  ) The rest of the time was scraping the hides, cutting and curing meat and having big meals with the parts that spoil fast, fishing in areas like the Black hills was also a thing and they were a bit of separate tribe that stayed around the Hills continually as it was "holy land" to them. Look at what all gets tossed in the vehicle when going to try to fill a deer tag. binoculars a couple maybe 5 rifles, lunch, snack, spotting scopes, laser rangefinders, go out and not see anything with a drone and Thermal. The native Americans were getting buffalo 5x the size of a deer with naked eyes and a bow and arrow, that's ballsy.  |
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Originally Posted By brass: I think Native Americans are good examples of the H-G "on the verge". The southern ones developed corn as it was temperate and their housing was more stout than the Sioux and other Northern Tribes which would follow the buffalo. The hunting was the easy part. The gathering was women and children and working all the time and all the kids were everybody's children and the smart ones were chosen to apprentice for memorizing and telling stories and their history, while a few others would be taking the medicine man route (Having a flash from the movie "Willow" here.... ) The rest of the time was scraping the hides, cutting and curing meat and having big meals with the parts that spoil fast, fishing in areas like the Black hills was also a thing and they were a bit of separate tribe that stayed around the Hills continually as it was "holy land" to them. Look at what all gets tossed in the vehicle when going to try to fill a deer tag. binoculars a couple maybe 5 rifles, lunch, snack, spotting scopes, laser rangefinders, go out and not see anything with a drone and Thermal. The native Americans were getting buffalo 5x the size of a deer with naked eyes and a bow and arrow, that's ballsy. Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By brass: That switch from hunter gatherers was long ago. It's also generally a myth that hunter-gatherers spent every waking minute trying to stay alive. They had plenty of spare time, especially after they started making more efficient tools and developing more sophisticated methods. Think buffalo jumps or stone pens out on a savannah that animals her driven into to be slaughtered. Fish traps made of stones along the shorelines of ancient lakes. H-Gs had plenty of time. Enough to sit around, become sedentary, and develop agriculture. Ok, that's not really how it happened (probably), but H-Gs were not literally hanging on by a thread every day, a few failed hunts from starvation. They made art, had oral histories, took care of sick, injured, or elderly members, etc. All the things you wouldn't do if you were on the verge of death every day. I think Native Americans are good examples of the H-G "on the verge". The southern ones developed corn as it was temperate and their housing was more stout than the Sioux and other Northern Tribes which would follow the buffalo. The hunting was the easy part. The gathering was women and children and working all the time and all the kids were everybody's children and the smart ones were chosen to apprentice for memorizing and telling stories and their history, while a few others would be taking the medicine man route (Having a flash from the movie "Willow" here.... ) The rest of the time was scraping the hides, cutting and curing meat and having big meals with the parts that spoil fast, fishing in areas like the Black hills was also a thing and they were a bit of separate tribe that stayed around the Hills continually as it was "holy land" to them. Look at what all gets tossed in the vehicle when going to try to fill a deer tag. binoculars a couple maybe 5 rifles, lunch, snack, spotting scopes, laser rangefinders, go out and not see anything with a drone and Thermal. The native Americans were getting buffalo 5x the size of a deer with naked eyes and a bow and arrow, that's ballsy. It's not a wrong interpretation, but it serves to reinforce that HG societies are neither as primitive nor as desperate as most people make them out to be. Are they giant would be states like ancient Mesopotamia, China, or Greece/Europe? Obviously not. But never doubt that they were surviving WELL, that they had trade networks, knowledge, and advanced tech (for the time). They just hadn't "settled" yet, because that was a process. Hunt. Gather. Spread seeds (on purpose or accident). Show up a year later. Gather again. Repeat. Travel less far. Repeat, because food is waiting for you in a specific area. Rinse and repeat over thousands of years. Boom. Agriculture. Settle more permanently in one area. Begin to domesticate certain animals. You get the idea. It's a gradual but inevitable process. Just don't ever think that your "more primitive" HG societies were on the brink constantly, or weren't smart. They developed everything you see around you today. It just took a while. |
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Originally Posted By Bhart89: I find it fascinating that the oldest parts of Gobekli Tempe was more technologically advanced than the newer parts. That stood out to me as well. I can just imagine what they’ll find as they excavate more. If I remember correctly only about 5% has been uncovered so far. |
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Originally Posted By HighlanderI: That stood out to me as well. I can just imagine what they’ll find as they excavate more. If I remember correctly only about 5% has been uncovered so far. Originally Posted By HighlanderI: Originally Posted By Bhart89: I find it fascinating that the oldest parts of Gobekli Tempe was more technologically advanced than the newer parts. That stood out to me as well. I can just imagine what they’ll find as they excavate more. If I remember correctly only about 5% has been uncovered so far. Are they still excavating? I thought I read somewhere that they stopped. |
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Originally Posted By Bhart89: I find it fascinating that the oldest parts of Gobekli Tempe was more technologically advanced than the newer parts. Then places like Sacsayhuaman, Puma Punku, even Machu Pichu should blow your mind. The later stonework on top of many of those places is downright primitive in comparison to the foundations. I don't think it can be proven true, but the Spaniards claim the Inca told them "We didn't build that. The ancestors did." Baalbek is another good one. |
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Originally Posted By Bhart89: Are they still excavating? I thought I read somewhere that they stopped. Originally Posted By Bhart89: Originally Posted By HighlanderI: Originally Posted By Bhart89: I find it fascinating that the oldest parts of Gobekli Tempe was more technologically advanced than the newer parts. That stood out to me as well. I can just imagine what they’ll find as they excavate more. If I remember correctly only about 5% has been uncovered so far. Are they still excavating? I thought I read somewhere that they stopped. Yes, the Turkish govt has stopped all archeological activity at Gobekli Tempe and are now running it as a tourist site. What is far worse is that they have planted Olive Trees all over the site. The tree roots will slowly destroy the carved stones under ground as the fine roots are constantly being replaced, with the old ones left to rot which generates organic acids that slowly dissolve limestone and sandstone. The larger roots will displace stones and invade any cracks, forcing the crack to open more and break the rock. Yes, this will take centuries, but once the trees are in place and surviving it will happen unless someone prevents it. I believe this is being done deliberately to destroy the site as Islam doesn't like any form of history before Mohammed. |
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Originally Posted By Bhart89: Are they still excavating? I thought I read somewhere that they stopped. Yes, according to Jimmy Corsetti they did stop. But I did see on another podcast recently (don’t recall which one or who) that it may resume. Quite possibly due to Corsetti bringing to light what has been taking place. The removal of the olive trees being cited as a speculation for Corsetti’s possible influence. Speaking of which, the video in the OP sounds just like Jimmy. Probably is. From what I understand from watching several podcasts on the topic there are 12 sites in Turkey under varying degrees of excavation. |
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freeze it at exactly 9:57 in the video and your in for a good laugh. the video is describing how supposedly grok now thinks the animal relief carvings are actually a written language and just randomly inserts ''lithgow small arms factory'' on and abandoned warehouse wall probably from one of its previous videos. this is called ai slop and is either made or proof read by kids overseas that do not speak english but market them to those who do. they crank out dozens of ai generated slop videos each day and are making a killing if one or more catches on. |
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Originally Posted By AK47_COMMBLOC: freeze it at exactly 9:57 in the video and your in for a good laugh. the video is describing how supposedly grok now thinks the animal relief carvings are actually a written language and just randomly inserts ''lithgow small arms factory'' on and abandoned warehouse wall probably from one of its previous videos. this is called ai slop and is either made or proof read by kids overseas that do not speak english but market them to those who do. they crank out dozens of ai generated slop videos each day and are making a killing if one or more catches on. Too funny! Subliminal messaging [sarcasm]. Attached File |
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The thing that boggles my mind is there seems to be findings of civilization with thousands of years gaps with zero finding of knowledge related to the next. The pyramids were found with no clue how they were build with such precision. The mystery is just not how they were constructed, but that they were found with no anecdotal history passed on from civilization past to the next. Civilizations thrived, suddenly failed, were lost, then another "popped up" from nowhere and thrived then suddenly failed etc...etc... etc... Construction over thousands of years with precision that seeming to be impossible even with modern technologically advanced machinery! How??????? |
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Originally Posted By DasRonin: The thing that boggles my mind is there seems to be findings of civilization with thousands of years gaps with zero finding of knowledge related to the next. The pyramids were found with no clue how they were build with such precision. The mystery is just not how they were constructed, but that they were found with no anecdotal history passed on from civilization past to the next. Civilizations thrived, suddenly failed, were lost, then another "popped up" from nowhere and thrived then suddenly failed etc...etc... etc... Construction over thousands of years with precision that seeming to be impossible even with modern technologically advanced machinery! How??????? The biggest answer I have to "How" is reflecting on all the things that were put in the Smithsonian Institution but are now denied to exist. Indiana Jones / Top Men wasn't 100% fictional. Maybe there were plans for industrialization and society which was hoarded by the Church or governments that see everything in the world as a military secret because if they keep enemies dumb they'll underestimate or something. Really no clue but they abuse the hell out of classification, example is for the sake of hiding embarrassment rather than serious weapon (nuke) construction details. As to why there are no words, especially "claiming found object as my own" sorts where new rulers scratch over what is there and put their name. I'm guessing the Vatican archives know but won't talk on some, and others didn't get cataloged or a popular enough book about them wasn't released. Most of the good info was from William Petrie around turn of the century (the 19th to 20th turn, not the latest). Closer we get to modern, the less we know, until very recently with LIDAR and several other scans / measurements were made but the results of that weren't fully released immediately and even now I think there's something they're dragging feet on, a lot with the LIDAR scans of the desert where they found the labyrinth next to a pyramid but won't explore for some reason. |
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Originally Posted By brass: The biggest answer I have to "How" is reflecting on all the things that were put in the Smithsonian Institution but are now denied to exist. Indiana Jones / Top Men wasn't 100% fictional. Maybe there were plans for industrialization and society which was hoarded by the Church or governments that see everything in the world as a military secret because if they keep enemies dumb they'll underestimate or something. Really no clue but they abuse the hell out of classification, example is for the sake of hiding embarrassment rather than serious weapon (nuke) construction details. As to why there are no words, especially "claiming found object as my own" sorts where new rulers scratch over what is there and put their name. I'm guessing the Vatican archives know but won't talk on some, and others didn't get cataloged or a popular enough book about them wasn't released. Most of the good info was from William Petrie around turn of the century (the 19th to 20th turn, not the latest). Closer we get to modern, the less we know, until very recently with LIDAR and several other scans / measurements were made but the results of that weren't fully released immediately and even now I think there's something they're dragging feet on, a lot with the LIDAR scans of the desert where they found the labyrinth next to a pyramid but won't explore for some reason. Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By DasRonin: The thing that boggles my mind is there seems to be findings of civilization with thousands of years gaps with zero finding of knowledge related to the next. The pyramids were found with no clue how they were build with such precision. The mystery is just not how they were constructed, but that they were found with no anecdotal history passed on from civilization past to the next. Civilizations thrived, suddenly failed, were lost, then another "popped up" from nowhere and thrived then suddenly failed etc...etc... etc... Construction over thousands of years with precision that seeming to be impossible even with modern technologically advanced machinery! How??????? The biggest answer I have to "How" is reflecting on all the things that were put in the Smithsonian Institution but are now denied to exist. Indiana Jones / Top Men wasn't 100% fictional. Maybe there were plans for industrialization and society which was hoarded by the Church or governments that see everything in the world as a military secret because if they keep enemies dumb they'll underestimate or something. Really no clue but they abuse the hell out of classification, example is for the sake of hiding embarrassment rather than serious weapon (nuke) construction details. As to why there are no words, especially "claiming found object as my own" sorts where new rulers scratch over what is there and put their name. I'm guessing the Vatican archives know but won't talk on some, and others didn't get cataloged or a popular enough book about them wasn't released. Most of the good info was from William Petrie around turn of the century (the 19th to 20th turn, not the latest). Closer we get to modern, the less we know, until very recently with LIDAR and several other scans / measurements were made but the results of that weren't fully released immediately and even now I think there's something they're dragging feet on, a lot with the LIDAR scans of the desert where they found the labyrinth next to a pyramid but won't explore for some reason. They actually have a somewhat decent reason for not exploring the labyrinth, The Nile shifted and the water table has risen since it was built and it's now underwater. Plans to deal with the water range from uber-expensive to destroying a large farming area. It's more difficult than just going out there with some shovels. |
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Originally Posted By Herc: They actually have a somewhat decent reason for not exploring the labyrinth, The Nile shifted and the water table has risen since it was built and it's now underwater. Plans to deal with the water range from uber-expensive to destroying a large farming area. It's more difficult than just going out there with some shovels. Reason and logic are sometimes (not always) frowned upon here, but thanks for bringing some in. Likely that reason will be looked upon as an excuse for a conspiracy, but, well...here we are. |
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Originally Posted By Herc: They actually have a somewhat decent reason for not exploring the labyrinth, The Nile shifted and the water table has risen since it was built and it's now underwater. Plans to deal with the water range from uber-expensive to destroying a large farming area. It's more difficult than just going out there with some shovels. Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By DasRonin: The thing that boggles my mind is there seems to be findings of civilization with thousands of years gaps with zero finding of knowledge related to the next. The pyramids were found with no clue how they were build with such precision. The mystery is just not how they were constructed, but that they were found with no anecdotal history passed on from civilization past to the next. Civilizations thrived, suddenly failed, were lost, then another "popped up" from nowhere and thrived then suddenly failed etc...etc... etc... Construction over thousands of years with precision that seeming to be impossible even with modern technologically advanced machinery! How??????? The biggest answer I have to "How" is reflecting on all the things that were put in the Smithsonian Institution but are now denied to exist. Indiana Jones / Top Men wasn't 100% fictional. Maybe there were plans for industrialization and society which was hoarded by the Church or governments that see everything in the world as a military secret because if they keep enemies dumb they'll underestimate or something. Really no clue but they abuse the hell out of classification, example is for the sake of hiding embarrassment rather than serious weapon (nuke) construction details. As to why there are no words, especially "claiming found object as my own" sorts where new rulers scratch over what is there and put their name. I'm guessing the Vatican archives know but won't talk on some, and others didn't get cataloged or a popular enough book about them wasn't released. Most of the good info was from William Petrie around turn of the century (the 19th to 20th turn, not the latest). Closer we get to modern, the less we know, until very recently with LIDAR and several other scans / measurements were made but the results of that weren't fully released immediately and even now I think there's something they're dragging feet on, a lot with the LIDAR scans of the desert where they found the labyrinth next to a pyramid but won't explore for some reason. They actually have a somewhat decent reason for not exploring the labyrinth, The Nile shifted and the water table has risen since it was built and it's now underwater. Plans to deal with the water range from uber-expensive to destroying a large farming area. It's more difficult than just going out there with some shovels. What river is the one that is submerged and available at different times? IIRC it had stairs and then a middle area with walkways and water pools and then stairs down if the water level was lower, in the first or second place the sky sit still visible but it has pillars that could have kept some covering over it. Not sure if they called it a well or a bath but it is interesting and I can't think of name or location. This is a cool site It's something I hadn't paid attention to, 3 underwater ancient cities in Egypt while I was looking for that one well that has big wide stairwells down the top level then they turn at the first platform level. Somebody here needs to know what I'm talking about.  |
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By brass: What river is the one that is submerged and available at different times? IIRC it had stairs and then a middle area with walkways and water pools and then stairs down if the water level was lower, in the first or second place the sky sit still visible but it has pillars that could have kept some covering over it. Not sure if they called it a well or a bath but it is interesting and I can't think of name or location. This is a cool site It's something I hadn't paid attention to, 3 underwater ancient cities in Egypt while I was looking for that one well that has big wide stairwells down the top level then they turn at the first platform level. Somebody here needs to know what I'm talking about. Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By DasRonin: The thing that boggles my mind is there seems to be findings of civilization with thousands of years gaps with zero finding of knowledge related to the next. The pyramids were found with no clue how they were build with such precision. The mystery is just not how they were constructed, but that they were found with no anecdotal history passed on from civilization past to the next. Civilizations thrived, suddenly failed, were lost, then another "popped up" from nowhere and thrived then suddenly failed etc...etc... etc... Construction over thousands of years with precision that seeming to be impossible even with modern technologically advanced machinery! How??????? The biggest answer I have to "How" is reflecting on all the things that were put in the Smithsonian Institution but are now denied to exist. Indiana Jones / Top Men wasn't 100% fictional. Maybe there were plans for industrialization and society which was hoarded by the Church or governments that see everything in the world as a military secret because if they keep enemies dumb they'll underestimate or something. Really no clue but they abuse the hell out of classification, example is for the sake of hiding embarrassment rather than serious weapon (nuke) construction details. As to why there are no words, especially "claiming found object as my own" sorts where new rulers scratch over what is there and put their name. I'm guessing the Vatican archives know but won't talk on some, and others didn't get cataloged or a popular enough book about them wasn't released. Most of the good info was from William Petrie around turn of the century (the 19th to 20th turn, not the latest). Closer we get to modern, the less we know, until very recently with LIDAR and several other scans / measurements were made but the results of that weren't fully released immediately and even now I think there's something they're dragging feet on, a lot with the LIDAR scans of the desert where they found the labyrinth next to a pyramid but won't explore for some reason. They actually have a somewhat decent reason for not exploring the labyrinth, The Nile shifted and the water table has risen since it was built and it's now underwater. Plans to deal with the water range from uber-expensive to destroying a large farming area. It's more difficult than just going out there with some shovels. What river is the one that is submerged and available at different times? IIRC it had stairs and then a middle area with walkways and water pools and then stairs down if the water level was lower, in the first or second place the sky sit still visible but it has pillars that could have kept some covering over it. Not sure if they called it a well or a bath but it is interesting and I can't think of name or location. This is a cool site It's something I hadn't paid attention to, 3 underwater ancient cities in Egypt while I was looking for that one well that has big wide stairwells down the top level then they turn at the first platform level. Somebody here needs to know what I'm talking about. Is it the nileometer of Satet on Elephantine Island? When combined with the Temple at the top that sorta fits the description. For people that don't know, they built stations to measure the flood depth so they could adjust the taxes based on predicted crop yield. |
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Originally Posted By Herc: Is it the nileometer of Satet on Elephantine Island? When combined with the Temple at the top that sorta fits the description. For people that don't know, they built stations to measure the flood depth so they could adjust the taxes based on predicted crop yield. Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By DasRonin: The thing that boggles my mind is there seems to be findings of civilization with thousands of years gaps with zero finding of knowledge related to the next. The pyramids were found with no clue how they were build with such precision. The mystery is just not how they were constructed, but that they were found with no anecdotal history passed on from civilization past to the next. Civilizations thrived, suddenly failed, were lost, then another "popped up" from nowhere and thrived then suddenly failed etc...etc... etc... Construction over thousands of years with precision that seeming to be impossible even with modern technologically advanced machinery! How??????? The biggest answer I have to "How" is reflecting on all the things that were put in the Smithsonian Institution but are now denied to exist. Indiana Jones / Top Men wasn't 100% fictional. Maybe there were plans for industrialization and society which was hoarded by the Church or governments that see everything in the world as a military secret because if they keep enemies dumb they'll underestimate or something. Really no clue but they abuse the hell out of classification, example is for the sake of hiding embarrassment rather than serious weapon (nuke) construction details. As to why there are no words, especially "claiming found object as my own" sorts where new rulers scratch over what is there and put their name. I'm guessing the Vatican archives know but won't talk on some, and others didn't get cataloged or a popular enough book about them wasn't released. Most of the good info was from William Petrie around turn of the century (the 19th to 20th turn, not the latest). Closer we get to modern, the less we know, until very recently with LIDAR and several other scans / measurements were made but the results of that weren't fully released immediately and even now I think there's something they're dragging feet on, a lot with the LIDAR scans of the desert where they found the labyrinth next to a pyramid but won't explore for some reason. They actually have a somewhat decent reason for not exploring the labyrinth, The Nile shifted and the water table has risen since it was built and it's now underwater. Plans to deal with the water range from uber-expensive to destroying a large farming area. It's more difficult than just going out there with some shovels. What river is the one that is submerged and available at different times? IIRC it had stairs and then a middle area with walkways and water pools and then stairs down if the water level was lower, in the first or second place the sky sit still visible but it has pillars that could have kept some covering over it. Not sure if they called it a well or a bath but it is interesting and I can't think of name or location. This is a cool site It's something I hadn't paid attention to, 3 underwater ancient cities in Egypt while I was looking for that one well that has big wide stairwells down the top level then they turn at the first platform level. Somebody here needs to know what I'm talking about. Is it the nileometer of Satet on Elephantine Island? When combined with the Temple at the top that sorta fits the description. For people that don't know, they built stations to measure the flood depth so they could adjust the taxes based on predicted crop yield. No, it's a large (150ft + width/length). it's just a big rectangular open top hole in the ground with wide stairwells leading down to wherever the water level was and where it is now still shows there is more below but it's gated off. I meant to say "well/bath" instead of "river" in my first statement, that was some more sleep posting. I think uncharted X did a show on it or it was part of one of his Egypt trips but I can't find anything, I'm not sure how near/far the closest other thing like a pyramid is or if it's just a hole in the middle of nowhere sort of near the Nile valley area of Egypt but I'm not sure how far. Built with large stone blocks but not unbelievably huge, though definitely bigger than our typical cinder blocks, and the walls were pretty smooth, compared to stacked round rocks around other wells. |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By brass: No, it's a large (150ft + width/length). it's just a big rectangular open top hole in the ground with wide stairwells leading down to wherever the water level was and where it is now still shows there is more below but it's gated off. I meant to say "well/bath" instead of "river" in my first statement, that was some more sleep posting. I think uncharted X did a show on it or it was part of one of his Egypt trips but I can't find anything, I'm not sure how near/far the closest other thing like a pyramid is or if it's just a hole in the middle of nowhere sort of near the Nile valley area of Egypt but I'm not sure how far. Built with large stone blocks but not unbelievably huge, though definitely bigger than our typical cinder blocks, and the walls were pretty smooth, compared to stacked round rocks around other wells. Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By DasRonin: The thing that boggles my mind is there seems to be findings of civilization with thousands of years gaps with zero finding of knowledge related to the next. The pyramids were found with no clue how they were build with such precision. The mystery is just not how they were constructed, but that they were found with no anecdotal history passed on from civilization past to the next. Civilizations thrived, suddenly failed, were lost, then another "popped up" from nowhere and thrived then suddenly failed etc...etc... etc... Construction over thousands of years with precision that seeming to be impossible even with modern technologically advanced machinery! How??????? The biggest answer I have to "How" is reflecting on all the things that were put in the Smithsonian Institution but are now denied to exist. Indiana Jones / Top Men wasn't 100% fictional. Maybe there were plans for industrialization and society which was hoarded by the Church or governments that see everything in the world as a military secret because if they keep enemies dumb they'll underestimate or something. Really no clue but they abuse the hell out of classification, example is for the sake of hiding embarrassment rather than serious weapon (nuke) construction details. As to why there are no words, especially "claiming found object as my own" sorts where new rulers scratch over what is there and put their name. I'm guessing the Vatican archives know but won't talk on some, and others didn't get cataloged or a popular enough book about them wasn't released. Most of the good info was from William Petrie around turn of the century (the 19th to 20th turn, not the latest). Closer we get to modern, the less we know, until very recently with LIDAR and several other scans / measurements were made but the results of that weren't fully released immediately and even now I think there's something they're dragging feet on, a lot with the LIDAR scans of the desert where they found the labyrinth next to a pyramid but won't explore for some reason. They actually have a somewhat decent reason for not exploring the labyrinth, The Nile shifted and the water table has risen since it was built and it's now underwater. Plans to deal with the water range from uber-expensive to destroying a large farming area. It's more difficult than just going out there with some shovels. What river is the one that is submerged and available at different times? IIRC it had stairs and then a middle area with walkways and water pools and then stairs down if the water level was lower, in the first or second place the sky sit still visible but it has pillars that could have kept some covering over it. Not sure if they called it a well or a bath but it is interesting and I can't think of name or location. This is a cool site It's something I hadn't paid attention to, 3 underwater ancient cities in Egypt while I was looking for that one well that has big wide stairwells down the top level then they turn at the first platform level. Somebody here needs to know what I'm talking about. Is it the nileometer of Satet on Elephantine Island? When combined with the Temple at the top that sorta fits the description. For people that don't know, they built stations to measure the flood depth so they could adjust the taxes based on predicted crop yield. No, it's a large (150ft + width/length). it's just a big rectangular open top hole in the ground with wide stairwells leading down to wherever the water level was and where it is now still shows there is more below but it's gated off. I meant to say "well/bath" instead of "river" in my first statement, that was some more sleep posting. I think uncharted X did a show on it or it was part of one of his Egypt trips but I can't find anything, I'm not sure how near/far the closest other thing like a pyramid is or if it's just a hole in the middle of nowhere sort of near the Nile valley area of Egypt but I'm not sure how far. Built with large stone blocks but not unbelievably huge, though definitely bigger than our typical cinder blocks, and the walls were pretty smooth, compared to stacked round rocks around other wells. The big rectangle and wide stairwell make me think Zawyet El Aryan, It's a few miles south of Giza. I don't think it had any water in it, at least not intentionally. Uncharted X had a segment about it somewhat recently, it was just a segment of a larger video I think. It's been off limits for decades because it's on a military base, but they allowed some tourists to see it recently. |
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Originally Posted By Herc: The big rectangle and wide stairwell make me think Zawyet El Aryan, It's a few miles south of Giza. I don't think it had any water in it, at least not intentionally. Uncharted X had a segment about it somewhat recently, it was just a segment of a larger video I think. It's been off limits for decades because it's on a military base, but they allowed some tourists to see it recently. Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Herc: Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By DasRonin: The thing that boggles my mind is there seems to be findings of civilization with thousands of years gaps with zero finding of knowledge related to the next. The pyramids were found with no clue how they were build with such precision. The mystery is just not how they were constructed, but that they were found with no anecdotal history passed on from civilization past to the next. Civilizations thrived, suddenly failed, were lost, then another "popped up" from nowhere and thrived then suddenly failed etc...etc... etc... Construction over thousands of years with precision that seeming to be impossible even with modern technologically advanced machinery! How??????? The biggest answer I have to "How" is reflecting on all the things that were put in the Smithsonian Institution but are now denied to exist. Indiana Jones / Top Men wasn't 100% fictional. Maybe there were plans for industrialization and society which was hoarded by the Church or governments that see everything in the world as a military secret because if they keep enemies dumb they'll underestimate or something. Really no clue but they abuse the hell out of classification, example is for the sake of hiding embarrassment rather than serious weapon (nuke) construction details. As to why there are no words, especially "claiming found object as my own" sorts where new rulers scratch over what is there and put their name. I'm guessing the Vatican archives know but won't talk on some, and others didn't get cataloged or a popular enough book about them wasn't released. Most of the good info was from William Petrie around turn of the century (the 19th to 20th turn, not the latest). Closer we get to modern, the less we know, until very recently with LIDAR and several other scans / measurements were made but the results of that weren't fully released immediately and even now I think there's something they're dragging feet on, a lot with the LIDAR scans of the desert where they found the labyrinth next to a pyramid but won't explore for some reason. They actually have a somewhat decent reason for not exploring the labyrinth, The Nile shifted and the water table has risen since it was built and it's now underwater. Plans to deal with the water range from uber-expensive to destroying a large farming area. It's more difficult than just going out there with some shovels. What river is the one that is submerged and available at different times? IIRC it had stairs and then a middle area with walkways and water pools and then stairs down if the water level was lower, in the first or second place the sky sit still visible but it has pillars that could have kept some covering over it. Not sure if they called it a well or a bath but it is interesting and I can't think of name or location. This is a cool site It's something I hadn't paid attention to, 3 underwater ancient cities in Egypt while I was looking for that one well that has big wide stairwells down the top level then they turn at the first platform level. Somebody here needs to know what I'm talking about. Is it the nileometer of Satet on Elephantine Island? When combined with the Temple at the top that sorta fits the description. For people that don't know, they built stations to measure the flood depth so they could adjust the taxes based on predicted crop yield. No, it's a large (150ft + width/length). it's just a big rectangular open top hole in the ground with wide stairwells leading down to wherever the water level was and where it is now still shows there is more below but it's gated off. I meant to say "well/bath" instead of "river" in my first statement, that was some more sleep posting. I think uncharted X did a show on it or it was part of one of his Egypt trips but I can't find anything, I'm not sure how near/far the closest other thing like a pyramid is or if it's just a hole in the middle of nowhere sort of near the Nile valley area of Egypt but I'm not sure how far. Built with large stone blocks but not unbelievably huge, though definitely bigger than our typical cinder blocks, and the walls were pretty smooth, compared to stacked round rocks around other wells. The big rectangle and wide stairwell make me think Zawyet El Aryan, It's a few miles south of Giza. I don't think it had any water in it, at least not intentionally. Uncharted X had a segment about it somewhat recently, it was just a segment of a larger video I think. It's been off limits for decades because it's on a military base, but they allowed some tourists to see it recently. That is the one! Thanks!  Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Cover Up? This Will Probably Upset You... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7z58CQ9JBk |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By GutWrench: That's a good video. Eventually someone will find the technology that was used to build these mega structures. True archaeology doesn't need to flash AI and other stock footage to make their case. This is shit. Adding AI and other filler stock images does nothing to convince me that this isn't anything more than a shill YT. |
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Originally Posted By brass: No, it's a large (150ft + width/length). it's just a big rectangular open top hole in the ground with wide stairwells leading down to wherever the water level was and where it is now still shows there is more below but it's gated off. I meant to say "well/bath" instead of "river" in my first statement, that was some more sleep posting. I think uncharted X did a show on it or it was part of one of his Egypt trips but I can't find anything, I'm not sure how near/far the closest other thing like a pyramid is or if it's just a hole in the middle of nowhere sort of near the Nile valley area of Egypt but I'm not sure how far. Built with large stone blocks but not unbelievably huge, though definitely bigger than our typical cinder blocks, and the walls were pretty smooth, compared to stacked round rocks around other wells. I think that was in India. I see it was found but this one amazes me as well. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I think that was in India. I see it was found but this one amazes me as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/well_jpg-3740057.JPG Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Originally Posted By brass: No, it's a large (150ft + width/length). it's just a big rectangular open top hole in the ground with wide stairwells leading down to wherever the water level was and where it is now still shows there is more below but it's gated off. I meant to say "well/bath" instead of "river" in my first statement, that was some more sleep posting. I think uncharted X did a show on it or it was part of one of his Egypt trips but I can't find anything, I'm not sure how near/far the closest other thing like a pyramid is or if it's just a hole in the middle of nowhere sort of near the Nile valley area of Egypt but I'm not sure how far. Built with large stone blocks but not unbelievably huge, though definitely bigger than our typical cinder blocks, and the walls were pretty smooth, compared to stacked round rocks around other wells. I think that was in India. I see it was found but this one amazes me as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/318573/well_jpg-3740057.JPG That one is amazing, I can only imagine how many people fell to their deaths bouncing down the stairs until they went in the water. The one I'm looking at only has a huge and wide (50+ft wide) stairwell down to the level where there's a couple odd things right at the base of stairs and then if you make a u-turn you see more square areas where stair are going down but they're barred off. Also some large pillar with 'big block' cross bars over the top of the pillars to maybe hold a roof when it was in operation to keep gunk out of the water or just to give visitors some shade, not sure. More about it in This post - Feature name: Zawyet El Aryan No clue if there is more similar to that or not. I think this one was used in one of the Stargate Movies IIRC. Herc has it right, this one I'm speaking of and that labyrinth are on Egyptian military land and it's way more difficult than just the off beaten path tour which still have a lot. So if you really want to see Egypt, plan on 4-5 weeks there (each year, for a decade) and a whole bunch of tip money. @WinstonSmith knows how it works and can enlighten us on what to see in Egypt if anybody is thinking of going there. Uncharted X and Brien Forster have both said you can can spend every day there for a year and still only touch the surface of these if rebuilding form scratch with oral histories and the different event catalogs for what was made and when. I say the same thing about the small Black Hills here or Washington DC from Capitol building to mall/Smithsonian are two other places where you go in to see a couple things then realize you need to learn a lot more to understand those things and you need to learn stuff to give a foundation of learning the higher level things. The Vatican archives has priests going there purely for Vatican archive and devote their life to it. Allegedly the more popular and requested items in Smithsonian are being 3D scanned and getting projection mapped so you can have 3D tours online without having to go there, hopefully at least something gets going on tat front, it was supposed to start in 2016 with the "modernization" announcement, I think it was about 10 years ago and I haven't seen anything major changing yet. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: ETA if you google image ancient India wells you will have your mind blown!!! The Indian temples that were carved out top down blow my mind. How did they figure out what to do at each part and keep it square while adding decortive items. I suppose they created maybe 5 ft deep of rough cut out then decorate it and square up the outside and inside edges by measuring diagonals with the team across from you or something. Lots of geometry and they were said to be built very fast, like in a week or month, either one is strange but I don't know. From 200 BC to 1500 AD is a huge spread and the quality has stayed the same, unlike other areas where the older you get, the nicer/more professional they appear. Check out "rock-cut architecture" for more on it, some out there theories on it assuming the God carved it in a day and many others depending on the temple. |
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Two ancient Egyptian cities that are now underwater are Heracleion, the main port at the mouth of the Nile river and ancient Alexandria, the modern city of Alexandria is on the new coast, the ancient city is under the harbor. There were a series of major earthquakes 700AD - 1300 AD that sank both ancient cities and a lot of Egypt's coastal lands under the sea. When the various archeologists that try to use the ancient level of the Nile to show that the pyramids and Sphinx had to be built at the same time; while ignoring the effects of these earthquakes and how the sea level changed drastically at the end of the ice age 12,000 years ago to today always make me laugh. They are undoubtedly smart people, but do a terrible job of considering all the changes that have happened over time. |
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Originally Posted By engineer61: Two ancient Egyptian cities that are now underwater are Heracleion, the main port at the mouth of the Nile river and ancient Alexandria, the modern city of Alexandria is on the new coast, the ancient city is under the harbor. There were a series of major earthquakes 700AD - 1300 AD that sank both ancient cities and a lot of Egypt's coastal lands under the sea. When the various archeologists that try to use the ancient level of the Nile to show that the pyramids and Sphinx had to be built at the same time; while ignoring the effects of these earthquakes and how the sea level changed drastically at the end of the ice age 12,000 years ago to today always make me laugh. They are undoubtedly smart people, but do a terrible job of considering all the changes that have happened over time. I can assure you, as someone with a degree in archaeology, that geological discussions rarely enter the room. I took a basic geology class as an undergrad, which was awesome...the professor came in cackling every day with a new disaster to put up on the screen. Floods, mudslides, cliff collapses, you name it, all with people's houses involved. I learned so much in that class about where not to build a house and why not to build it there. Knowledge I cherish to this day. But as a part of the discipline of archaeology? It wasn't important. There's this bias that "we're not doing paleontology, nothing we touch is likely to be over 10k years old, so don't worry about it. The Earth doesn't change that fast." Even if you were talking about when the America's were populated, you're still only going back 20k years or so, and the most important question on anyone's mind is how and when they got here. Not how things have changed since then. It's a bias/blind spot, but to be honest, I don't think it's a purposeful one (unlike a few other things). It's just that you can't be an expert in everything all at once, and collaboration between disciplines isn't as common as it should be. The deepest I ever delved into geology was having a good working knowledge of stone types so I could note what a tool was made out of at a glance before moving on to what tool it was and how it was made. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Then places like Sacsayhuaman, Puma Punku, even Machu Pichu should blow your mind. The later stonework on top of many of those places is downright primitive in comparison to the foundations. I don't think it can be proven true, but the Spaniards claim the Inca told them "We didn't build that. The ancestors did." Baalbek is another good one. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Bhart89: I find it fascinating that the oldest parts of Gobekli Tempe was more technologically advanced than the newer parts. Then places like Sacsayhuaman, Puma Punku, even Machu Pichu should blow your mind. The later stonework on top of many of those places is downright primitive in comparison to the foundations. I don't think it can be proven true, but the Spaniards claim the Inca told them "We didn't build that. The ancestors did." Baalbek is another good one. I think the one where they said "We didn't build that, the Gods did" is regarding Chichen Itza And the "H" shaped blocks (with square and perfectly cut inside corners as well as continual depth trim parallel to the edges) on a mesa near it, by that high elevation lake. Chichen Itza has the longest verified oral history and goes into non-verified, but totally amazing history that is accurate compared to other artifacts around the area, where they came from, but then the strange stuff they didn't take the credit for, that was "that was from the gods", we didn't build that. Compare that to Egypt where they created everything in just the last few thousand years. Though China has older pyramids yet, they discourage to ban excavation on those and are advising farmers to plant trees on the mounds that have settled down over the millennia. Dictatorship doesn't want any surprise information being dug up from the ground on the off chance it might make people question their wonderful government. That's the tin foil reason, I haven't thought of a plausible reason for why they don't' care. |
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Originally Posted By brass: I think the one where they said "We didn't build that, the Gods did" is regarding Chichen Itza And the "H" shaped blocks (with square and perfectly cut inside corners as well as continual depth trim parallel to the edges) on a mesa near it, by that high elevation lake. Chichen Itza has the longest verified oral history and goes into non-verified, but totally amazing history that is accurate compared to other artifacts around the area, where they came from, but then the strange stuff they didn't take the credit for, that was "that was from the gods", we didn't build that. Compare that to Egypt where they created everything in just the last few thousand years. Though China has older pyramids yet, they discourage to ban excavation on those and are advising farmers to plant trees on the mounds that have settled down over the millennia. Dictatorship doesn't want any surprise information being dug up from the ground on the off chance it might make people question their wonderful government. That's the tin foil reason, I haven't thought of a plausible reason for why they don't' care. Originally Posted By brass: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Bhart89: I find it fascinating that the oldest parts of Gobekli Tempe was more technologically advanced than the newer parts. Then places like Sacsayhuaman, Puma Punku, even Machu Pichu should blow your mind. The later stonework on top of many of those places is downright primitive in comparison to the foundations. I don't think it can be proven true, but the Spaniards claim the Inca told them "We didn't build that. The ancestors did." Baalbek is another good one. I think the one where they said "We didn't build that, the Gods did" is regarding Chichen Itza And the "H" shaped blocks (with square and perfectly cut inside corners as well as continual depth trim parallel to the edges) on a mesa near it, by that high elevation lake. Chichen Itza has the longest verified oral history and goes into non-verified, but totally amazing history that is accurate compared to other artifacts around the area, where they came from, but then the strange stuff they didn't take the credit for, that was "that was from the gods", we didn't build that. Compare that to Egypt where they created everything in just the last few thousand years. Though China has older pyramids yet, they discourage to ban excavation on those and are advising farmers to plant trees on the mounds that have settled down over the millennia. Dictatorship doesn't want any surprise information being dug up from the ground on the off chance it might make people question their wonderful government. That's the tin foil reason, I haven't thought of a plausible reason for why they don't' care. The H-Stones are at Puma Punku, part of the Tiwanaku site near Lake Titicaca. Chichen Itza is a very important Mayan city on the Yucatan Peninsula in Central America. The Inca told the Spanish they didn't build the base layers at Sacsayhuaman and Machu Picchu. Just correcting a few misconceptions. Also, the "pyramids" in China are all royal mausoleums/tombs that are typically about 2000 years younger than the Egyptian pyramids. Not all of them though. The Hongshan culture created some "pyramid-shaped" tombs thousands of years earlier, in the neolithic period. They're just unimpressive compared to later structure though. Small, stacked stone, stepped structures. |
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