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| According to what I’m hearing the Government is going to release all pre-1986 full autos that were originally transferred on form 5’s back onto the transferable market for resale. |
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You're on the end of a game of telephone. I'm unsure whether the original info was about the recent reclassification of certain presamples as transferrables, or about CMP M14's that will be sold as semi-autos, but it's almost certainly one of those two. |
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Wasn't this known a couple years ago? ATF to Reclassify Certain Pre-86 Dealer Sample Machine Guns as Fully Transferable |
| These are likely beat to hell, but may have some value to collectors and military history buffs. The real value is that they could be used to swell NFRTR registrations of transferable machine guns to facilitate "common use" challenges to both 922(o) and NFA regulation of machine guns before a new (and potentially anti-gun) administration takes office in January 2029. This would be the logical next step in 2A litigation after the Viramontes/Grant decision is released in June 2027. |
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Originally Posted By Commando223: Im guessing ac556 mini14, S&W 76, and Tommy guns mostly I think you will find a surprising number of M2 Carbine, BAR, M16 A1 and M14s. Law Enforcement liked the BAR. Without a doubt there will be a few things like m60s and various foreign guns. |
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Originally Posted By MachRider: Would you get a GMC Vandura? Originally Posted By MachRider: Originally Posted By Dissident: Originally Posted By Commando223: Im guessing ac556 mini14, S&W 76, and Tommy guns mostly I would so try to get in on an AC556. Would you get a GMC Vandura? I would love it if that plan were to come together. |
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: My old department had two full-auto L1A1's at one time. Years ago when the StG58 kits were coming in there were complete StG58 rifles available to PDs at a lower cost than the kits... they were like $170 or something. |
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: My old department had two full-auto L1A1's at one time. @Bama-Shooter I didn't know that L1A1s were ever manufactured as full auto. I thought only FALs and L2A1/C2A1s were. Were they some sort of aftermarket modification or were they L2A1s? |
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| Looking at the topic, I have some thoughts. Def like the coolness and the putting them on the market... Won't argue with that. However... outside of investment, why would somebody spend $50k on a HK MP5 trasferable over a regularly available $3k version with an FRT? |
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Originally Posted By MAJ242: Looking at the topic, I have some thoughts. Def like the coolness and the putting them on the market... Won't argue with that. However... outside of investment, why would somebody spend $50k on a HK MP5 trasferable over a regularly available $3k version with an FRT? Some states dont allow FRT's but allow registered machine guns. Some people believe FRT's can be banned anytime especially when dems are back in power. |
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Originally Posted By osprey21: https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/atf-launches-new-era-reform/reduce-burden#1140-AA80 https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/With-the-ATF-giving-guidance-on-transferring-MGs-from-gov-to-civilians-/5-2859360/ |
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Originally Posted By uncle_big_green: @Bama-Shooter I didn't know that L1A1s were ever manufactured as full auto. I thought only FALs and L2A1/C2A1s were. Were they some sort of aftermarket modification or were they L2A1s? Originally Posted By uncle_big_green: Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: My old department had two full-auto L1A1's at one time. @Bama-Shooter I didn't know that L1A1s were ever manufactured as full auto. I thought only FALs and L2A1/C2A1s were. Were they some sort of aftermarket modification or were they L2A1s? You are correct. They arrived semi. The LIA1 receivers were cut for the full auto sear. Reason why these were only available to LEA's Had to put in the auto sear and replace the selector lever. Full auto. Fun fact, mine arrived titled in my name since I bought it on a letterhead. I should have kept it. |
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Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Fun fact, mine arrived titled in my name since I bought it on a letterhead. I should have kept it. Or were they imported as LE-only Title I rifles? |
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Originally Posted By MAJ242: Looking at the topic, I have some thoughts. Def like the coolness and the putting them on the market... Won't argue with that. However... outside of investment, why would somebody spend $50k on a HK MP5 trasferable over a regularly available $3k version with an FRT? I have 3 FA. After a few times the "excitement" wears off. Really. Just get an FRT. FA prices are beyond stupid now. But, Yeah, maybe the commies will make FRTs illegal, so - |
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Originally Posted By neshomamench: I think you will find a surprising number of M2 Carbine, BAR, M16 A1 and M14s. Law Enforcement liked the BAR. Without a doubt there will be a few things like m60s and various foreign guns. Our podunk sheriffs office has like 20 F/A M14's in the weapons locker. I have done some comms work for them and also run the local range they use for training and qualifications. They recently upgraded to AR's so maybe I can convince the Sheriff to transfer one over to me? 
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Originally Posted By Hking: Our podunk sheriffs office has like 20 F/A M14's in the weapons locker. I have done some comms work for them and also run the local range they use for training and qualifications. They recently upgraded to AR's so maybe I can convince the Sheriff to transfer one over to me? Originally Posted By Hking: Originally Posted By neshomamench: I think you will find a surprising number of M2 Carbine, BAR, M16 A1 and M14s. Law Enforcement liked the BAR. Without a doubt there will be a few things like m60s and various foreign guns. In my state, agencies can get them for $100 per rifle, which is an administrative fee charged by the State of Louisiana (but the feds maintain ownership). |
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Originally Posted By KitBuilder: If they’re like most agencies, those M14, M16, and M16A1 rifles (or just lowers) that you’ve seen are from the LESO/1033 Program and still owned by the DLA. Yeah I was just joking, they got them from some program way back in the day and have to return them to the gov now that they dont need them anymore. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Trump admin is just trying to catch up with the Biden admin, which released several hundred thousand full autos to the civilian market. In Afghanistan. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By wienerman1961: I seem to remember a TV show that went to a warehouse where they put on white gloves and opened wood crates containing BAR’s, Grease Guns etc that looked brand new. Think it was Army Ordnance joint of some type. There are places in foreign countries that have piles of stuff like that which was provided by the US. Years ago Russia wanted to return 50,000 Thompsons that were new in crates from WWII but the US refused. |
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Originally Posted By neshomamench: I think you will find a surprising number of M2 Carbine, BAR, M16 A1 and M14s. Law Enforcement liked the BAR. Without a doubt there will be a few things like m60s and various foreign guns. The Sheriff's Department I worked as a Reserve Deputy back in the late '70s and '80s had a couple M2 carbines. |
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Originally Posted By MAJ242: However... outside of investment, why would somebody spend $50k on a HK MP5 trasferable over a regularly available $3k version with an FRT? Same reason someone buys a Ferrari instead of a Mustang, because they can. At this point there are primarily three classes (no pun intended) of transferable MG owners: 1: Those that bought early before the prices got crazy. 2. Owners of “cheap” MGs like MACs. 3. Those with “fuck you” money. |
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| A sheriff's office in my area has a Thompson that was used in a shootout against Dillinger. If that goes to auction it will be very interesting to see what it brings after what happened with Bonnie and Clyde's shotgun. |
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