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Originally Posted By JamiesGotAGun: Funny how that works. Wonder why the 14 year old’s dad didn’t show up… |
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Originally Posted By Aikibiker: They already did according to the news video. Technically the dad was committing a felony having his CCW at a school bus stop in FL. I would guess the term is so poorly defined that no DA in their right mind would charge anyone under that statute though. Originally Posted By Aikibiker: Originally Posted By CoyoteGray: Originally Posted By zaskar017: That’s going to escalate… This.. Take the kid out of that school and figure something else out. They already did according to the news video. Technically the dad was committing a felony having his CCW at a school bus stop in FL. I would guess the term is so poorly defined that no DA in their right mind would charge anyone under that statute though. @Aikibiker It’s a misdemeanor of the second degree, not a felony. |
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Originally Posted By Aikibiker: It will in Florida. We have civil protection for justified self defense cases. If it was legal to shoot them, they or their next of kin cannot turn around and sue you for it. Originally Posted By Aikibiker: Originally Posted By BB: Originally Posted By RogueSpear2023: Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: Yeah, the flipside of that is that, if this had gone another way, and Dad had shot a kid or two...his life is over. Whether he gets acquitted or not. Lawyers and the NAACP and any left-of-center politician in the area, on him for Life. If you are armed, you don't go confronting, unless it's something you need to be armed to confront (and, no, "kids on the bus" is not a "I need to confront while armed" situation)....and then you take a breath to run the Cost/Benefit analysis. It goes another way, and Dad gets his skull caved in by Usual Suspect #1 or #2 (or, stereotypically, both together in a team-building exercise)....I'm sure his kid will remember him fondly and not wish at all that Dad had stayed away from the Bus that day. I disagree with you two on one, that father was more than justifed, to pull the gun and shoot if they continued to advance on him with the gun drawn. Those two bullies were going to assualt his son, he was more than justifed. Justification isn’t going to stop the lawsuits It will in Florida. We have civil protection for justified self defense cases. If it was legal to shoot them, they or their next of kin cannot turn around and sue you for it. While it is true that there is a statute in Florida that absolves a shooter of civil liability when the shooting was justified, the Florida Supreme Court voided that automatic civil liability protection several years ago. |
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I would hate to be arguing disparity of force after shooting a 14 and 16 year old at a bus stop I walked to. Not saying it wouldn't be right just hard to defend. |
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Originally Posted By salsa: Hmmm according to the article the dad “brandished” the weapon to de-escalate the situation. Did something change in FL, thought that was prohibited. I am in favor of the father, just a wuestion "Brandishing" seems to be a rather subjective term. Where is the "line" between justifiably confronting a threat and "brandishing" if the threat diminishes at the sight of a gun? Which studies have found actually happens more often than defensive shootings. IMO, "Dad" was threatened with physical violence by multiple people and may have been justified in shooting them if they escalated their threatened attack. |
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Dad and kid are now targets of the feral teens. Dad should have avoided all that and just drove his kid to school and stayed under the radar. Then if that didn't work, home school him like he is now. You can't confront the ghetto and not have consequences and you can't shoot them and not have consequences even when completely justified. It' a no win situation. the only win situation is to remove your kid and yourself from the situation. |
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Originally Posted By Currahee: I would hate to be arguing disparity of force after shooting a 14 and 16 year old at a bus stop I walked to. Not saying it wouldn't be right just hard to defend. Yeah, bad "optics" but if the option is the Rittenhouse prosecutor's statement "everybody has to take a beating once in a while", "tried by 12" might be preferable. |
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Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: The broccoli heads were the aggressors once they got off the bus. There should be a school bus policy that once a child ….a “child” …gets off the bus, the bus driver is supposed to close the door and drive off. Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: The broccoli heads were the aggressors once they got off the bus. There should be a school bus policy that once a child ….a “child” …gets off the bus, the bus driver is supposed to close the door and drive off. Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Where did the news video or YT videos from the kids on the bus say or show that the dad went there to confront the broccoli heads? The way I saw it, the teens got off the bus of their own volition and were about to confront the 16 year old and his dad. Either you, or I, have the wrong definition of broccoli head |
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Originally Posted By Pallas: We never did that kind of shit to adults. Even 18, 19, early 20’s we didn’t disrespect adults unless they tried to start a fight. Times have changed. Same here. The only time we would be disrespectful was when they had earned it. We just wanted to have fun, not cause problems. |
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Originally Posted By TheOtherDave: Wonder why the 14 year old’s dad didn’t show up… Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Pallas: We never did that kind of shit to adults. Even 18, 19, early 20's we didn't disrespect adults unless they tried to start a fight. Times have changed. |
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Originally Posted By RogueSpear2023: I disagree with you two on one, that father was more than justifed, to pull the gun and shoot if they continued to advance on him with the gun drawn. Those two bullies were going to assualt his son, he was more than justifed. I didn't say anything about whether he'd be justified (2-on-1, yeah, legally-speaking, he's probably OK....in Florida). I said his life would be over. He'd get sued in Civil Court, with the lawyers funded by the NAACP (et al), and his house and address would be all over Facebook (along with his place of business/employer/etc), and 2-3 local Black churches would have people out on the street in front of his house every weekend until the Next Outrage. All to, what? Yell at some kids (assholes though they be), or the school bus driver? What did he hope to accomplish? Dude should have done whatever he could through the school Admin (LOL, though), and THEN pulled his kid out to homeschool/transfer (which is what seems to be happening, from the article). Confronting people in the street (especially over a non-life-and-death issue) is seldom wise....and it's twice as dumb when you're armed. |
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Originally Posted By highstepper: Evidently, it became so.  Remember, some cultures will knock you down then head stomp you into coloring books for Christmas because “disrespeck”. They’ll get 3-5 for assault with early release for good behavior and you’ll get to drool on yourself for the rest of your days. That ain’t a trade I’m willing to make. Stay strapped or get clapped. My point. WTF did Dad think was going to happen, even in the "happy version" of this he had in his head as he was driving over? "I'm going to go confront the teen(s) that are bullying my (older) kid! On the street!" If he thought that was gonna end any way but him having to either fight a kid or draw his weapon, he's too dumb or shortsighted to be running around with a weapon on him. I carry a weapon to save my ass when I can't avoid a confrontation. I ain't a Deputy or any other kind of cop, and nobody has to listen to me tell them to do anything. Nor am I interested (and you (the generic "you") shouldn't be, either) in creating my own exigency so I can draw a weapon on someone I don't like. If I'm drawing a weapon in a situation I created (like rolling up on a school bus stop to confront some teens for fucking with my kid)....I fucked up. That seems to be what happened to Dad, from the article. |
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Yeah. He should have let his kid face the mob, instead. The kid wasn't facing the mob, at the time Dad decided Shit Was On(!!!). He was safe, and then Dad put him in the vehicle and drove him over to the place where Dad was gonna confront some people, and ended up having to draw a a gun to save himself from the ass beating that was coming his way due to said confrontation. Dad isn't a cop.....but the mention that he's a security guard (armed), wearing his "I'm totally a cop, but not really...." badge....makes me think (perhaps uncharitably) that he's the sort of dude who really, really wishes he was a cop.....and makes decisions accordingly. Don't make poor decisions (in general). Don't make poor decisions when you are armed. Don't make poor decisions that puts your kid in the same place as (potentially) flying lead. |
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Originally Posted By jsnappa: The Florida ESA program pays about $8k per student for homeschooling. They will give the parents the state education funding that would have gone to the school. Between ESA and charter schools, enrollment is way down due to parents being sick and tired of their local public school. Originally Posted By jsnappa: Originally Posted By ROCK6: Armchair QB the day after is quite easy. No dog, I'll not do a cost benefit analysis when my family or my life is threatened; it should already be done, and your priorities should be very clear. The father has since removed his kid from school and will homeschool. First, that is bullshit that public schools we pay for are unsafe for our own kids, but he did the right thing. Second, the father could have pressed charges and didn't. He should have pressed charges. Assholes don't change their stink when criminal shit gets wiped clean. ROCK6 The Florida ESA program pays about $8k per student for homeschooling. They will give the parents the state education funding that would have gone to the school. Between ESA and charter schools, enrollment is way down due to parents being sick and tired of their local public school. That's good. In Georgia we got to pay for public schools and pay homeschooling our children. |
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"While it may not have been how I would have handled it, [he] did not do anything illegal. You are allowed to stand your ground whether the person coming after you is 16 or 24 or 34," Budensiek said. Budensiek also said the father is a security guard and was legally carrying a concealed firearm. "He was wearing a badge. It's my understanding that he was a security guard and was carrying the gun," Budensiek said. He emphasized that the weapon was concealed before the confrontation. Budensiek said the father has since pulled his son out of school and plans to homeschool him. "He just was going to protect himself and his son at all costs," the sheriff said. |
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Originally Posted By ceetee: This is the kind of shit that happens when children are allowed to grow up thinking that there will never be any consequences for their actions. Originally Posted By ceetee: This is the kind of shit that happens when children are allowed to grow up thinking that there will never be any consequences for their actions. My wife is an elementary teacher and there's kids in her school right now that all the teachers know a couple of those students are in a pipeline to jail because of their shitty parents. I'm sure every school is like this because there's ZERO discipline in public schools nowadays. There's a black 3rd grade girl who is a known menace at her school. Constantly talking back to teachers, in trouble and at the AP's office weekly. Turns out she was adopted and has white liberal parents. I don't have any answers other than bring paddling back. It's a fucking mess. Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: I didn't say anything about whether he'd be justified (2-on-1, yeah, legally-speaking, he's probably OK....in Florida). I said his life would be over. He'd get sued in Civil Court, with the lawyers funded by the NAACP (et al), and his house and address would be all over Facebook (along with his place of business/employer/etc), and 2-3 local Black churches would have people out on the street in front of his house every weekend until the Next Outrage. All to, what? Yell at some kids (assholes though they be), or the school bus driver? What did he hope to accomplish? Dude should have done whatever he could through the school Admin (LOL, though), and THEN pulled his kid out to homeschool/transfer (which is what seems to be happening, from the article). Confronting people in the street (especially over a non-life-and-death issue) is seldom wise....and it's twice as dumb when you're armed. Agree. I also think the dad should cut his son's balls off so the testosterone wouldn't cause his son to disrespek anyone ever again. He should also take his wife over there to let Laquan and Jamal fuck his wife for disrespeckin them at the bus stop. After he cleans that up, he should give his gun to either of them because there's a good chance they'd need it more than him. |
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: My point. WTF did Dad think was going to happen, even in the "happy version" of this he had in his head as he was driving over? "I'm going to go confront the teen(s) that are bullying my (older) kid! On the street!" If he thought that was gonna end any way but him having to either fight a kid or draw his weapon, he's too dumb or shortsighted to be running around with a weapon on him. I carry a weapon to save my ass when I can't avoid a confrontation. I ain't a Deputy or any other kind of cop, and nobody has to listen to me tell them to do anything. Nor am I interested (and you (the generic "you") shouldn't be, either) in creating my own exigency so I can draw a weapon on someone I don't like. If I'm drawing a weapon in a situation I created (like rolling up on a school bus stop to confront some teens for fucking with my kid)....I fucked up. That seems to be what happened to Dad, from the article. Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: Originally Posted By highstepper: Evidently, it became so. Remember, some cultures will knock you down then head stomp you into coloring books for Christmas because “disrespeck”. They’ll get 3-5 for assault with early release for good behavior and you’ll get to drool on yourself for the rest of your days. That ain’t a trade I’m willing to make. Stay strapped or get clapped. My point. WTF did Dad think was going to happen, even in the "happy version" of this he had in his head as he was driving over? "I'm going to go confront the teen(s) that are bullying my (older) kid! On the street!" If he thought that was gonna end any way but him having to either fight a kid or draw his weapon, he's too dumb or shortsighted to be running around with a weapon on him. I carry a weapon to save my ass when I can't avoid a confrontation. I ain't a Deputy or any other kind of cop, and nobody has to listen to me tell them to do anything. Nor am I interested (and you (the generic "you") shouldn't be, either) in creating my own exigency so I can draw a weapon on someone I don't like. If I'm drawing a weapon in a situation I created (like rolling up on a school bus stop to confront some teens for fucking with my kid)....I fucked up. That seems to be what happened to Dad, from the article. Read the whole article, he wasn't there to confront the teen. He was there to speak to the bus driver and alert them as to what happened. Teen saw the dad pointing at him and immediately jumped off the bus to confront him just as the other teen got there. Budensiek said the father returned to the bus stop that afternoon and spoke with the female bus driver, who told him she would try to address the situation. The next morning, on Friday, the father drove his son to the bus stop. Budensiek said the 14-year-old involved in the previous day's incident was already on the bus when they arrived. As the 16-year-old got on the bus, his father began speaking with the driver again. According to the sheriff, that is when the 14-year-old got off the bus and confronted the father. "Now you have students on the bus that are yelling. You have the 14-year-old boy that came off the bus that's yelling, screaming at the dad," Budensiek said. That sheriff is a goat. Acknowledging what was right, and standing by it. The sheriff said investigators would have sought warrants for the 14-year-old and the other 16-year-old who approached the father if the father had wanted to pursue charges. But he declined. Too bad the father didn't pursue charges. |
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Originally Posted By Aikibiker: It will in Florida. We have civil protection for justified self defense cases. If it was legal to shoot them, they or their next of kin cannot turn around and sue you for it. groovy |
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Originally Posted By Fulcrum-5: My point. WTF did Dad think was going to happen, even in the "happy version" of this he had in his head as he was driving over? "I'm going to go confront the teen(s) that are bullying my (older) kid! On the street!" If he thought that was gonna end any way but him having to either fight a kid or draw his weapon, he's too dumb or shortsighted to be running around with a weapon on him. I bet he genuinely thought he could talk to the bus driver, have them make sure the kids were separated, and head off the issue. Sounds like it's something that just occurred with no real prior incidents. I bet he truly did not/could not anticipate the "teens" escalating the situation like they did. My middle school was actually in the ghetto, as in surrounded by housing projects. We had a kid in 8th grade shoot a pizza man to death to steal his tip money, crackheads roaming the hallways were regular occurrences, it was a given someone was fucking under the stairwells at any given time throughout the day. Nothing really shocks me. However, as a parent with young kids in elementary school, I am finding my...outlook, shall we say, is not shared by the majority of parents. I can show you all of the first graders who will grow up to be major problems and the other parents look at me like I'm insane. Personally, I doubt this family will have any more problems. Had the dad cowered and not stood his ground, yes. But he displayed the willingness to take things further. Probably only thing he could have done better was send his kid to school with a brick the next day and have him bash the 14 year olds face in. That would get their attention. The thing to remember is most of these "teens" are cowards, if you escalate immediately without mercy they will typically back down and ironically respect you more. |
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Originally Posted By RTX: And even younger, including some of the girls. It's almost like a contest, with groups of girls trying to out-feral the boys. Interesting dynamic I've noticed is that while the feral ones run wild, a large segment of the other kids are being heavily medicated starting as early as kindergarten to be more docile. Given that those peer groups aren't eventually separated for whatever reason, I wonder how that plays out once puberty kicks in. |
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Originally Posted By DubyaB: Cant imagine thinking going to confront minor "teens" who are bullying . and doing so armed in 2026 is a good idea. Did he think he was going to get apologies and promises to stop? He was going to turn them into rational thinking humans ? Yet another situation i would never find myself in. Get your kid away from the situation don't Insert yourself into it. Based on the wording of the story. He was intending to speak to the bus driver about it. The 14yo being on the bus at the time understood the context enough to know it was about his behavior. I think it's important to realize these situations are very much an adult trying to adopt normal adult behaviors. Not understanding the teens they are dealing with are already established career criminals. The only way these people will change is if their behavior comes with heavy life changing consequences. Like if in a similar situation one of the teens lost their life. Forcing the others to weigh the potential of them coming next in the next altercation. So, we as adults have a choice to make. Whether or not we want to be start of those life changing consequences. Sane people will likely vote no. Better to let these types learn the hard knocks amongst the monsters they desire to become. |
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Originally Posted By Guitargod1985: A school bus stop is a prohibited place for carry in Florida. It’s a misdemeanor, not a felony, though. How is a bus stop defined? Are they demarcated or delineated by a bright yellow line painted on the road, sidewalk, or yard? Or does one take a 25 foot piece of cordage, place a stake where the bus normally stops, and then draw a 50 foot diameter circle around that stake? |