Posted: 10/8/2024 11:11:06 PM EDT
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Did you have a slice when you were learning golf? I most certainly did. Watched a lot of YouTube videos and went to the driving range and worked it out. It took a while. Now I can send my tee shot anywhere I want. Some people stand behind me to see what I’m doing. But it doesn’t work that way. Everybody’s swing is different. You have to work it out for yourself. |
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Been golfing a long time and it still happens to me especially when I haven't played in a while. I will hit the range and hit balls with my feet together, brings the swing and weight shift back into place. Can also help with not coming over the top which is usually why people will slice. I am sure results will vary. 
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I ftf on the hooking. Will do it often with my hybrids and FWs if I get out of sequence. Slicing is an out to in path, usually, with the face a hair or a bit open to it. Fixing path is tough; fixing face is a little easier. Close the face a touch more, and see if Mr. Banana Slice turns into Sir Power Fade. I get tired though of hitting it flush (seemingly), launching it up and dead straight for 200 yds, then it stomps on the brakes and swerves hard right. Acceptable face, garbage path. Trying constraint training---tee outside and back, inside and forward, don't hit them!---backed up with an old shaft doing alignment stick duty along the path trajectory I want. It's tough. Satisfying when it works though. The swing sequence and speed work has me playing nice with a near 46" shaft. High center, consistent solid impact. Ball go far, if still not as far as Sean's. Arms and hands go down, not at the ball, but between ball line and feet line, to start the downswing. Shoulders stay put. Then it's a lot of, "Wait. Wait. Not yet. Turn NOW!" After P6. Least that's the feel. And that works. Like my pressured lead leg is pushing up and backwards, while the hips/shoulders are opening as my right hand tries to throw a nasty submarine fastball. Sort of. Since I'm left-handed, and throw a ball left-handed usually, this Cowen-esque feel is a tad challenging... I need to go get back on video and see WTF is going on. |
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Originally Posted By BigPolska: Yup, and there is nothing more frustrating when your tempo or swing gets lost and you start struggling and compensating Absolutely, struggling this year with my driver. Just can’t keep my hands in and compensate by closing my club face. I can hit fairways but lose probably 40 yards. |
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Watch a couple of YT videos on the correct wrist set and wrist angles. Mike Malaska and Eric Cogorno have some good ones. Example:  The Most Important Part Of The Golf Swing | Left Wrist + Right Wrist |
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| Clubface angle and path rules all in golf swing. It’s hard for people to wrap their head around that a draw requires a clubface that is open to the target but closed to path the club is swinging on with an in to out path. This starts the ball to the right and the spin will move the ball back to the left. You have to fix clubface to path to be slightly closed, like 2 or 3 degrees not 20, and not opening to path at any point in the swing. Most people will have to feel exerting force to close the clubface on the transition and downswing. The forces on the club will twist the clubface open when you change direction if it isn’t counteracted. Then fix the path to slightly in to out. Anything you do that isn’t fixing face to path first will never work. |
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With modern golf sim technology I think people would be surprised if they measured their club path and face angle. A slicer who is coming 10 degrees from the outside will swear they have a square club path. People would be surprised what a 4 degree path from the inside feels like when they are used to 10 degrees from the outside. 14 degrees is a lot of change but the numbers don't lie. |
| A lot of people focus on the club face and an over the top path as the culprit for slicing. They completely focus on their arm and club position in a swing, but fail to recognize hip position and it's effect on the swing. Hip turn is important to speed generation. People who slice tend to not turn their hips, they trust them forward. It's a big reason they lose power from their swing in addition to the push and open face it causes by not having space for the arms to complete the swing on the proper arc. The most violent block/slices are often caused by an in to out swing arc. The opposite of what most golfers are taught to believe. |
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I started with a wicked banana ball slice. The ball was rolling 90º to my target path after it landed. It took me LOTS of range time, lots of you tube videos, and lots of time learning to fix it. Then i went too far and started hooking it. Now I generally hit a slight draw or fade depending on the day and I just play whatever is working that day. I stopped fighting it. Once I learned to just accept that 'today is a fade day' I started scoring way better. Learn path and face angle and how it affects ball flight. Telling people how to swing is pointless. I tell someone to feel like they're swinging inside out (once I get them to understand what that means) and usually they can put together a swing to do it. Telling them to drop the hands, or swing on plane, or start with the body...anything that involves telling them what to do with their swing physically rarely works. Teaching them what we want the club to do, they can move their body in a way to make the club do that. Much faster way to fix a slice. |
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I've been struggling with a slice for a long time, watched this video the other day and tried the extremely simple drill on the driving range before hitting driver. Amazingly, I was hitting it straight. After a few straight shots, I said "holy shit, it was really that easy to fix!?!?"  This Genius Drill TURNED Rory McIlroys Driver Game Around (I'm using it too!!) |
Everything posted above is factual. Maybe.
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I broke down and got the Orange Whip recently, and it did give a pretty good lightbulb moment of "hey asshole, this is what turning the clubhead over is supposed to feel like". Driver improved immediately, but I've been playing my irons a certain way for so long they're now 5-10 yards long with a left miss. Golf, man. 
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on the one hand there's [the media] and on the other hand there's the left wing progressives, and you can't really put them in the same camp that easily - JBP
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Well, hopefully we will be putting them 'in the same camp' - Michael Malice
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Originally Posted By Smith-16: A lot of people focus on the club face and an over the top path as the culprit for slicing. They completely focus on their arm and club position in a swing, but fail to recognize hip position and it's effect on the swing. Hip turn is important to speed generation. People who slice tend to not turn their hips, they trust them forward. It's a big reason they lose power from their swing in addition to the push and open face it causes by not having space for the arms to complete the swing on the proper arc. The most violent block/slices are often caused by an in to out swing arc. The opposite of what most golfers are taught to believe. This. The lower body must start the downswing, and the hips must clear, i.e. rotate to the target, as early as possible. I posted a video on here a while back with Eric Cogorno and Trevor Salzman about this. Salzman had the best swing thought I've heard: To swing well, you can't move your body faster than your hands, but you can move it earlier. I struggled with a slice for a long time doing this or that to fix it. I finally learned to clear my hips on time. I hit a draw now. When I suck, which is often, it's because I'm swaying my hips back and forth instead of rotating or rushing my hands. Decent full swings are made or broken by the legs and shoulders. Get those right, and the arms and hands follow. I'll never be at the level where I can consciously manipulate my hands and arms to effect ball flight, so I focus on the big body parts to get by. |
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This is my opinion only. The grip is underestimated. Grips that are too "strong" do not promote a straight or drawing ball flight because I think it hinders rotation. Your body makes all these other compensations because your grip is shitty. People attempt to artificially close the club face by all these compensations due to a poor grip. If you rotated correctly with a too strong grip, you would hit it a mile left, so your body will not do that. There is a reason that Ben Hogan devoted so much of the 5 lessons book to the grip and the stance. Yes I know he played a fade but it is important. Fix the grip, fix the ball position in your stance. Make some lines on an alignment stick to check your ball position and stance every time you hit golf balls. Then work on correcting the ball flight. It will not be fixed in a week, so most people will not want to put the time in. Or.... did you watch the open today? There are a large number of good players that cut the ball. They hit the cut from the inside of the ball, but not all top players are hitting a Kenny Perry / Tommy Fleetwood push draw. |
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I've always hit a draw. I've got to setup like Lee travino if I want to fade it. When I try and help someone with a slice I have them square their feet and shoulders, pull the right foot back a few inches (right handed players) and than swing inside out. Easier said than done. |
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Originally Posted By Pforty: This is my opinion only. The grip is underestimated. Grips that are too "strong" do not promote a straight or drawing ball flight because I think it hinders rotation. Your body makes all these other compensations because your grip is shitty. People attempt to artificially close the club face by all these compensations due to a poor grip. If you rotated correctly with a too strong grip, you would hit it a mile left, so your body will not do that. There is a reason that Ben Hogan devoted so much of the 5 lessons book to the grip and the stance. Yes I know he played a fade but it is important. Fix the grip, fix the ball position in your stance. Make some lines on an alignment stick to check your ball position and stance every time you hit golf balls. Then work on correcting the ball flight. It will not be fixed in a week, so most people will not want to put the time in. Or.... did you watch the open today? There are a large number of good players that cut the ball. They hit the cut from the inside of the ball, but not all top players are hitting a Kenny Perry / Tommy Fleetwood push draw. Your brain does all sorts of stuff to unfuck poor grip, setup, and backswing to hit the ball in the general direction of your target. Something like the dreaded early extension is a requirement to hit the ball because of everything that happened earlier. It’s the same reason that great feeling practice swing is useless. It feels good because your brain doesn’t care that the club face is wide open when there’s no ball to hit at a target. |
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I started playing golf again this year after giving it up years ago. I was slicing my tee shots about 87% of the time, so I hired an instructor. One lesson later and I'm going right once every nine tee shots, and left three of nine tee shots. Two lessons later, and I'm successfully shaping my tee shots and putting them where I want them two thirds of the time. My advice is to pay a PGA certified golf instructor for some in person coaching. Mine takes high speed video of my swing with his phone, shows me what I'm doing wrong, tells me how to correct it, and then shows me the before and after videos in slow-mo which I can refer to on my phone whenever I need to. The best part is not is telling your golfing buddies that your taking lessons until after you've played a few rounds with them.
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I played in a 3 card 2v2 scramble yesterday and one of the guys had the craziest, most terrible swing I've ever seen but consistently hit good tee and approach shots and my mind was blown. It made me hate and love golf even more.
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