Federal Court Strikes Down NFA Registration on "untaxed" firearms (Page 196 of 196)
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Originally Posted By Glock-9mm: Short idea about wtf it is would be nice Originally Posted By Glock-9mm: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Please don’t ask me to explain this but this may be the biggest gun win yet!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17XcPUKcHTUShort idea about wtf it is would be nice It’s about organizations being able to sue for their members. |
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Originally Posted By Glock-9mm: Short idea about wtf it is would be nice YouTube has a button for that. It sits to left of the "forward" button, and looks like a 4-point ninja throwing star. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: Please don't ask me to explain this but this may be the biggest gun win yet! It's about organizations being able to sue for their members. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17XcPUKcHTU |
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet: We need a summary The US Court of Appeals, Second Circuit, has just ruled that organizations have standing to sue on behalf of their members in 42 USC 1983 civil rights cases that including in 2A cases. This is a big change in the law and great for Team 2A |
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Originally Posted By retfireguy87: The US Court of Appeals, Second Circuit, has just ruled that organizations have standing to sue on behalf of their members in 42 USC 1983 civil rights cases that including in 2A cases. This is a big change in the law and great for Team 2A |
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Originally Posted By retfireguy87: The US Court of Appeals, Second Circuit, has just ruled that organizations have standing to sue on behalf of their members in 42 USC 1983 civil rights cases that including in 2A cases. This is a big change in the law and great for Team 2A |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: ...isn't Cekada supposed to be speaking at some 2A event pretty soon? Wonder what the odds are that we finally get this much-anticipated guidance around then or he makes some surprise announcement during it. I know a woman who was there and met him, but he's probably still repeating the "we're working on it" line. |
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Originally Posted By MAZDOG: Already been said they won’t appeal from the direction of the president so that doesn’t matter.  Originally Posted By MAZDOG: Originally Posted By willi3d: Possible, but what would be the value in that? Too late for an appeal. Already been said they won’t appeal from the direction of the president so that doesn’t matter. Maybe it's bureaucratic intertia or friction. Maybe they're holding off until after the midterms because they face very little potential voter penalty for saying nothing and more than that if they say anything short of "they're 4473 free OTC now have a nice day". Maybe it really is taking this long to try and bullet-proof it in line with Cekada's comments about protecting people now and in the future. All I know is buy more cans while you can 
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Maybe it's bureaucratic intertia or friction. Maybe they're holding off until after the midterms because they face very little potential voter penalty for saying nothing and more than that if they say anything short of "they're 4473 free OTC now have a nice day". Maybe it really is taking this long to try and bullet-proof it in line with Cekada's comments about protecting people now and in the future. All I know is buy more cans while you can I agree with your thought process.  |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Maybe it's bureaucratic intertia or friction. Maybe they're holding off until after the midterms because they face very little potential voter penalty for saying nothing and more than that if they say anything short of "they're 4473 free OTC now have a nice day". Maybe it really is taking this long to try and bullet-proof it in line with Cekada's comments about protecting people now and in the future. All I know is buy more cans while you can I picked up 3 on a 4473 yesterday. Always avoided class 3 stuff because I'm not registering shit, but in and out in 15 minutes was pretty glorious. Sorry to the guys in states with shitty laws... |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Maybe it's bureaucratic intertia or friction. Maybe they're holding off until after the midterms because they face very little potential voter penalty for saying nothing and more than that if they say anything short of "they're 4473 free OTC now have a nice day". Maybe it really is taking this long to try and bullet-proof it in line with Cekada's comments about protecting people now and in the future. All I know is buy more cans while you can I think the delay is more based on nobody knows what the hell this injunction means. Yes the consumer side is easy. Form 4s aren't required. Transfer on a 4473. The manufacturer and dealer side gets much more convoluted as form 2s and 3s are also enjoined as well as is maintaining the NFRTR. A manufacturer can make a suppressor without filing a form 2 then transfer it to a dealer without doing a form 3. If that dealer wants to transfer it to a non covered party how does he do a form 4 for something not in the NFRTR. And if the dealer is a covered party, they can't even require the form 4 to show that it came from that dealer as that would be a violation of maintaining the NFRTR with respect to that dealer. Or something currently on a form 4 gets sold FTF to another person, then that person sells it to an FFL who then sells it to a non covered person. How is a form 4 done? You could make a ton of what if scenarios with this injunction. The ATF has to be very careful how they issue the guidance to not be in contempt of court and fully respect the injunction. There is really no way to issue clear concise directions, without them going to the favorable extreme of saying this lawsuit has completely broken the system and the NFRTR is completely useless and unenforceable therfore we will not enforce any parts of the nfa with respect to $0 items. |
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Originally Posted By MacManus: I picked up 3 on a 4473 yesterday. Always avoided class 3 stuff because I'm not registering shit, but in and out in 15 minutes was pretty glorious. Sorry to the guys in states with shitty laws... Originally Posted By MacManus: Originally Posted By CZRider: Maybe it's bureaucratic intertia or friction. Maybe they're holding off until after the midterms because they face very little potential voter penalty for saying nothing and more than that if they say anything short of "they're 4473 free OTC now have a nice day". Maybe it really is taking this long to try and bullet-proof it in line with Cekada's comments about protecting people now and in the future. All I know is buy more cans while you can I picked up 3 on a 4473 yesterday. Always avoided class 3 stuff because I'm not registering shit, but in and out in 15 minutes was pretty glorious. Sorry to the guys in states with shitty laws... It was certainly glorious for me too. I had the exact same reservation. Didn't want to enter into 'paperwork federal felony' land because I suck at paperwork. This is how it always should have been. Of course I do understand that if things change down the road I may be stuck putting it in anyway, but I suspect that just is not the way things are headed for the NFA. |
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Originally Posted By ShooterPatriot: There is really no way to issue clear concise directions, without them going to the favorable extreme of saying this lawsuit has completely broken the system and the NFRTR is completely useless and unenforceable therfore we will not enforce any parts of the nfa with respect to $0 items. That's basically the way I think its headed. With tens of thousands of cans having moved into people's hands off the registry there will never be a way to square it up again. As you say, it's completely broken now. |
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Originally Posted By hushpuppy26: It was certainly glorious for me too. I had the exact same reservation. Didn't want to enter into 'paperwork federal felony' land because I suck at paperwork. This is how it always should have been. Of course I do understand that if things change down the road I may be stuck putting it in anyway, but I suspect that just is not the way things are headed for the NFA. Originally Posted By hushpuppy26: Originally Posted By MacManus: Originally Posted By CZRider: Maybe it's bureaucratic intertia or friction. Maybe they're holding off until after the midterms because they face very little potential voter penalty for saying nothing and more than that if they say anything short of "they're 4473 free OTC now have a nice day". Maybe it really is taking this long to try and bullet-proof it in line with Cekada's comments about protecting people now and in the future. All I know is buy more cans while you can I picked up 3 on a 4473 yesterday. Always avoided class 3 stuff because I'm not registering shit, but in and out in 15 minutes was pretty glorious. Sorry to the guys in states with shitty laws... It was certainly glorious for me too. I had the exact same reservation. Didn't want to enter into 'paperwork federal felony' land because I suck at paperwork. This is how it always should have been. Of course I do understand that if things change down the road I may be stuck putting it in anyway, but I suspect that just is not the way things are headed for the NFA. "I had a baffle strike and destroyed it, never replaced".... |
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Originally Posted By hushpuppy26: That's basically the way I think its headed. With tens of thousands of cans having moved into people's hands off the registry there will never be a way to square it up again. As you say, it's completely broken now. Originally Posted By hushpuppy26: Originally Posted By ShooterPatriot: There is really no way to issue clear concise directions, without them going to the favorable extreme of saying this lawsuit has completely broken the system and the NFRTR is completely useless and unenforceable therfore we will not enforce any parts of the nfa with respect to $0 items. That's basically the way I think its headed. With tens of thousands of cans having moved into people's hands off the registry there will never be a way to square it up again. As you say, it's completely broken now. Indeed and why it is so important for people who are able buys or prints a bunch. |
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Originally Posted By ShooterPatriot: A manufacturer can make a suppressor without filing a form 2 then transfer it to a dealer without doing a form 3. Originally Posted By ShooterPatriot: A manufacturer can make a suppressor without filing a form 2 then transfer it to a dealer without doing a form 3. No they can't, has to be in the NFRTR to ship across state lines. Originally Posted By ShooterPatriot: Or something currently on a form 4 gets sold FTF to another person, then that person sells it to an FFL who then sells it to a non covered person. How is a form 4 done? In the same state it's treated like any other 4473 sale. Originally Posted By ShooterPatriot: You could make a ton of what if scenarios with this injunction. The ATF has to be very careful how they issue the guidance to not be in contempt of court and fully respect the injunction. There is really no way to issue clear concise directions, without them going to the favorable extreme of saying this lawsuit has completely broken the system and the NFRTR is completely useless and unenforceable therfore we will not enforce any parts of the nfa with respect to $0 items. Yup, that's why it has taken 3 days and I still haven't received an answer from my insurance company regarding coverage of NFA items sold without a Form 4. |
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"The Director said that the IOIs are told not to count those transfers as violations in compliance with the ruling in Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF."
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CBS News (9/17/26): Trump ordered DOJ not to appeal ruling that loosened limits on "gangster weapons".
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Originally Posted By st33ve0:
 2 weeks? 2 weeks! |
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Originally Posted By st33ve0:
"Weeks" so guidance won't be released until after the appeal deadline. |
Heller II - Challenging DC's bans on semi-automatic rifles, large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, and its onerous and expensive handgun registration process. http://www.HellerFoundation.org/
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Originally Posted By st33ve0:
Breaking News: ATF's Guidance on NFA Coming Soon! During The Briefing, an industry event for FFLs in Dallas, Texas, AmmoLand reporter John Crump asked ATF Director Robert Cekada what guidance was given to IOIs during inspections when they encountered suppressors that had been transferred on an ATF Form 4473. The Director said that the IOIs are told not to count those transfers as violations in compliance with the ruling in Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF. Director Cekada also said he expects new guidance to be released in a couple of weeks and that it will address issues such as the required AG notification for SBRs, interstate transportation of covered items, and the 15 states that require federal registration. According to Cekada, the goal of the guidance will be to expand the injunction as much as possible while protecting items for future administrations. Those two lines are HUGE. |
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