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Originally Posted By RSR556: What exactly does the term new Israel mean? Originally Posted By RSR556: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: It makes sense when you realize they lack a solid grounding in Covenantal Theology. They start with a flawed foundational premise, and build understanding from there. I might pick on the Seventh Day Adventists, but the whole Millerite thing makes perfect sense in the context (early to mid 19th century America, KJV as word by word word of God, institutional Church that is described in Acts and which produced and preserved the "New Testament" scriptures is long gone as foundational premise of where it came about). Thus, we are left to make sense of God's design by turning text alone into novel doctrine. The strawman and wrong accusation of "replacement theology" does, at the very least, touch on a major difference in understanding this produces. No institutional Church = no priests = no new and eternal covenant = no new Israel = obsession with "old" Israel, a Jewish nation-state, as fulfilling prophecies historical Christianity always understood as relating to the Christian church. They don't see such a Church (hard to when you won't open your eyes) but they do see the modern country of Israel. What exactly does the term new Israel mean? Perhaps best summed up in Paul's epistle to the Galatians (6: 14-17) May I never boast of anything except the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is anything; but a new creation is everything! As for those who will follow this rule—peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God. From now on, let no one make trouble for me; for I carry the marks of Jesus branded on my body. But there is so much more to it, beginning with the 12 apostles as reflecting the 12 tribes of Israel. It's core to the traditional understanding of the role of the Church. As spelled out in paragraph 5 of Chapter 1 of Ad Gentus From the very beginning, the Lord Jesus "called to Himself those whom He wished; and He caused twelve of them to be with Him, and to be sent out preaching (Mark 3:13; cf. Matt. 10:1-42). Thus the Apostles were the first budding - forth of the New Israel, and at the same time the beginning of the sacred hierarchy. Then, when He had by His death and His resurrection completed once for all in Himself the mysteries of our salvation and the renewal of all things, the Lord, having now received all power in heaven and on earth (cf. Matt. 28 18), before He was taken up into heaven (cf. Acts 1:11), founded His Church as the sacrament of salvation and sent His Apostles into all the world just as He Himself had been sent by His Father (cf. John 20:21), commanding them: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of a nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit; teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" (Matt. 28:19 ff.). "Go into the whole world, preach the Gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he who does not believe, shall be condemned" (Mark 16:15ff.) |
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Originally Posted By monadh: I have become convinced that Bishop3 is using AI to create his threads and form his further posts, which explains why he can't answer direct questions. AI is more than capable of demonstrating comprehension of a question and formulating an answer that appears to take the question into account. Bishop3? I think he is capable. He's just, for whatever reason, unwilling. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Perhaps best summed up in Paul's epistle to the Galatians (6: 14-17) But there is so much more to it, beginning with the 12 apostles as reflecting the 12 tribes of Israel. It's core to the traditional understanding of the role of the Church. As spelled out in paragraph 5 of Chapter 1 of Ad Gentus Thank you Do you not believe that the 12 were Jewish men, raised learning the TORAH, the Prophets, and the Writings, who recognized the Messiah because of what they had learned from the TANAKH, and that His words and miracles proved it? |
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Originally Posted By RSR556: Thank you Do you not believe that the 12 were Jewish men, raised learning the TORAH, the Prophets, and the Writings, who recognized the Messiah because of what they had learned from the TANAKH, and that His words and miracles proved it? Originally Posted By RSR556: Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Perhaps best summed up in Paul's epistle to the Galatians (6: 14-17) But there is so much more to it, beginning with the 12 apostles as reflecting the 12 tribes of Israel. It's core to the traditional understanding of the role of the Church. As spelled out in paragraph 5 of Chapter 1 of Ad Gentus Thank you Do you not believe that the 12 were Jewish men, raised learning the TORAH, the Prophets, and the Writings, who recognized the Messiah because of what they had learned from the TANAKH, and that His words and miracles proved it? Very much so, though not all were explicitly that educated. New Testament references to "scripture" is precisely referencing such, regardless. |
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Originally Posted By RSR556: Thank you Do you not believe that the 12 were Jewish men, raised learning the TORAH, the Prophets, and the Writings, who recognized the Messiah because of what they had learned from the TANAKH, and that His words and miracles proved it? Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, but others Elijah, and still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven." Matthew 16:13-17 |
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Originally Posted By monadh: I have become convinced that Bishop3 is using AI to create his threads and form his further posts, which explains why he can't answer direct questions. He might be prompting it to generate text based on his own interpretations of what is being said. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: AI is more than capable of demonstrating comprehension of a question and formulating an answer that appears to take the question into account. Bishop3? I think he is capable. He's just, for whatever reason, unwilling. Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Originally Posted By monadh: I have become convinced that Bishop3 is using AI to create his threads and form his further posts, which explains why he can't answer direct questions. AI is more than capable of demonstrating comprehension of a question and formulating an answer that appears to take the question into account. Bishop3? I think he is capable. He's just, for whatever reason, unwilling. Oh, I choose to answer or to be silent. I do not demand an answer from anyone. That decision is yours alone. Jesus is the answer; Jesus Christ is Lord. Matthew 12:36-37 NASB1995 [36] But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. [37] For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.12.36-37.NASB1995 (see also Matthew 33-37) ~ Jesus, Son of Man Son of God Romans 14:10-12 NASB1995 [10] But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. [11] For it is written, “AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD.” [12] So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.14.10-12.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Philippians 2:8-11 NASB1995  Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. [9] For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, [10] so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11] and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.https://bible.com/bible/100/php.2.8-11.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. --- Do you know Him? |
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Originally Posted By Bishop3: Oh, I choose to answer or to be silent. I do not demand an answer from anyone. That decision is yours alone. Jesus is the answer; Jesus Christ is Lord. Matthew 12:36-37 NASB1995 [36] But I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment. [37] For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” https://bible.com/bible/100/mat.12.36-37.NASB1995 (see also Matthew 33-37) ~ Jesus, Son of Man Son of God Romans 14:10-12 NASB1995 [10] But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. [11] For it is written, “AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD.” [12] So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.14.10-12.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Philippians 2:8-11 NASB1995 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. [9] For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, [10] so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [11] and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.https://bible.com/bible/100/php.2.8-11.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. --- Do you know Him? This is why I'm primarily suspecting a local model powered by a low-tier GPU with very limited VRAM. |
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Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: @Bishop3: Tell me about the Tiananmen Square incident. @wswartzendruber China, that incident wasn't very humorous, and people died. I respect you. However, listening to your replies or commentary for awhile now. I keep thinking about the antichrist spirit that is now already in the world. That spirit is real and actively opposing the gospel message of Christ. Maybe, something for you to think about... so when you're out and about. The Scriptures; they admonish us to test all things: 1 Thessalonians 5:16-22 NASB1995 [16] Rejoice always; [17] pray without ceasing; [18] in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. [19] Do not quench the Spirit; [20] do not despise prophetic utterances. [21] But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; [22] abstain from every form of evil. https://bible.com/bible/100/1th.5.16-22.NASB1995 ~ Paul the Lord's Apostle 1 John 4:1 NASB1995 [1] Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. https://bible.com/bible/100/1jn.4.1.NASB1995 ~ John the Lord's Apostle I love the Word of God. The Word of God saved me. Informational note: how do you 'see' spirit? God is spirit. take care brother, Jesus is a real man. |
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Originally Posted By monadh: I felt that one all the way to NC Originally Posted By monadh: Originally Posted By wswartzendruber: This is why I'm primarily suspecting a local model powered by a low-tier GPU with very limited VRAM. I felt that one all the way to NC 
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