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[00:00:18] hello and welcome to on the record
[00:00:20] flying saucers extraterrestrials
[00:00:22] monsters from outer space the government
[00:00:25] has been telling us for years that
[00:00:26] they're not real they're weather
[00:00:28] balloons or swamp gas or reflections
[00:00:30] from the Sun or the ravings of lunatics
[00:00:33] but serious UFO researchers say a
[00:00:35] breakthrough may be very close some of
[00:00:38] the government scientists who worked on
[00:00:39] the top-secret project Bluebook are
[00:00:42] ready to talk what's more a series of
[00:00:44] revealing government documents have
[00:00:46] trickled out of the federal files
[00:00:47] documents that paint a much different
[00:00:50] picture of the UFO phenomenon one of the
[00:00:52] most dedicated UFO researchers lives
[00:00:54] right here in Las Vegas his name is John
[00:00:57] Lear and he is my guest today mr. leer
[00:00:59] thanks for being here okay George
[00:01:00] to begin with you're a pilot an airline
[00:01:04] pilot captain you have held 17 different
[00:01:07] world speed records at one time or
[00:01:09] another you're a member of the famous
[00:01:11] Lear family that all Nevadans pretty
[00:01:13] much familiar with a former state Senate
[00:01:15] candidate you don't sound like the kind
[00:01:17] of guy who would get hooked up in
[00:01:18] something that a lot of people would say
[00:01:20] is a bunch of nonsense no it's just by
[00:01:23] coincidence that I got really interested
[00:01:25] this about two years ago my father saw a
[00:01:28] UFO and my brother did yeah they were
[00:01:30] very interested but there was really no
[00:01:32] proof as far as I was concerned to
[00:01:35] really look into it and about until
[00:01:38] about two years ago your father and
[00:01:40] brother saw them can you give details my
[00:01:43] brother saw one he was flying a p38 from
[00:01:45] Phoenix to Los Angeles at night it just
[00:01:47] appeared in front of him he made two
[00:01:49] turns 90-degree turns it stayed in front
[00:01:52] of him and then disappeared and my
[00:01:55] father was fine flying at night I
[00:01:56] believe over the Arizona desert and saw
[00:01:59] one too so he started you got an
[00:02:01] interest because of the other members of
[00:02:03] your family how did you start out I had
[00:02:05] an interest but there was really nothing
[00:02:06] I could put my finger on and like I say
[00:02:08] two years ago friend of mine came
[00:02:10] through town we had flown into Southeast
[00:02:12] Asia together and he was retiring from
[00:02:14] the Air Force he came over and we
[00:02:17] started talking about where he had been
[00:02:19] for the last 15 years and he mentioned
[00:02:22] that he had been stationed at Bentwaters
[00:02:23] and I said oh Bentwaters that's where
[00:02:25] the flying saucer supposedly was in 1980
[00:02:29] he said no John not supposedly it was he
[00:02:31] said I don't care if you believe me or
[00:02:33] not it landed I didn't see it because we
[00:02:35] were confined to quarters but I know
[00:02:37] people who did and I'll give you the
[00:02:38] names and if you ever see them tell them
[00:02:40] you know me and they'll tell you the
[00:02:41] whole story since then I ran into one of
[00:02:44] the security police who was within ten
[00:02:46] feet of the saucer and actually saw the
[00:02:48] three aliens get out and go up to
[00:02:51] General Gordon Williams who was the Wing
[00:02:54] Commander at that time now there was
[00:02:55] quite a bit of documentation regarding
[00:02:58] this bent wanna read Siddhant why don't
[00:03:00] you go into that a little bit
[00:03:01] there's the Colonel halt memo that would
[00:03:03] came out under the Freedom of
[00:03:04] Information Act and it told about the
[00:03:07] mysterious lights and beaming down and
[00:03:09] everything that happened in the forest
[00:03:10] except the actual aiding and landings
[00:03:13] that wasn't in the memo and there was
[00:03:14] also the tape Colonel Hall tape forest
[00:03:17] tape that he made over a period of eight
[00:03:19] hours and there's a 20-minute segment
[00:03:22] that we've been able to get ahold of
[00:03:23] that you can hear him running through
[00:03:26] the forest and and being worried saying
[00:03:29] that things after us now why do you
[00:03:32] suppose that hasn't come out I mean this
[00:03:34] particular incident why hasn't come out
[00:03:37] of so many people and you've told me
[00:03:39] about this before I've seen it or seen
[00:03:41] these aliens why haven't some of them
[00:03:43] come forward a lot of them have come
[00:03:44] forward but they're just not getting any
[00:03:46] press it's something that people just
[00:03:48] don't want to deal with the press
[00:03:50] doesn't want to deal with and people
[00:03:52] aren't going to listen to something
[00:03:54] unless dan Rather or any of your big
[00:03:58] press people are going to tell him about
[00:04:00] it and they're just too spooked the Air
[00:04:04] Force has made an art form of ridiculing
[00:04:07] people who have talked about this thing
[00:04:09] they've done an excellent job of
[00:04:11] covering it up for the last 40 years
[00:04:14] George basically what we're dealing with
[00:04:16] here is I'll give you the bottom line
[00:04:18] okay I just Ellen I want to hear your
[00:04:20] thesis I'm just trying to sell a book
[00:04:21] and then trying to promote a lecture
[00:04:22] this is based on what I've come across
[00:04:24] after intense research in the last year
[00:04:28] and I have found out that the government
[00:04:30] has retrieved between ten and fifteen
[00:04:32] flagyl flying saucers three of which
[00:04:35] been in perfect condition one of which
[00:04:36] they tried to fly they have between 30
[00:04:40] and 50 alien bodies
[00:04:42] in cryogenic storage we even have the
[00:04:45] name of the person whose job it is to
[00:04:47] show these bodies to the heads of state
[00:04:51] and the people who are authorized to see
[00:04:53] them they represent at least five
[00:04:55] different civilizations I can't imagine
[00:04:58] a Dan Rather or Tom Brokaw if that were
[00:05:01] to come to their attention a story of
[00:05:03] that magnitude that they wouldn't do
[00:05:05] something with it
[00:05:06] well I can't I can't answer that
[00:05:08] question I don't I don't know why they
[00:05:10] don't do it there certainly is enough
[00:05:12] evidence based on what I've looked at
[00:05:14] for instance the Linda Moulton Howe
[00:05:17] documentary in four in Denver for the
[00:05:20] CBS affiliate they are called a strange
[00:05:22] harvest since 1975 to 1980 when she made
[00:05:26] the documentary there's at least 9,000
[00:05:30] cattle mutilations now the government
[00:05:32] said that the mutilations were normally
[00:05:34] at the your desert predator did these
[00:05:37] but they weren't the mutilations they
[00:05:39] think we have a picture of these
[00:05:41] somewhere well maybe we can see that as
[00:05:42] you're talking well that's the next
[00:05:45] picture there we are this is a
[00:05:47] mutilation New Mexico State Police did
[00:05:49] the research or the investigation on it
[00:05:52] and they cut out certain parts where
[00:05:55] they in the cut was made where the laser
[00:05:58] being far sharper than anything we have
[00:06:00] as a matter of fact they were able to
[00:06:02] determine that they cut between the
[00:06:04] cells and didn't cut the cells
[00:06:06] themselves we presently don't have this
[00:06:07] kind of technology well if we don't know
[00:06:11] that we have this kind of technology or
[00:06:13] you and I don't know that we don't but
[00:06:14] that doesn't prove necessarily that it's
[00:06:16] et no except that there's usually a
[00:06:20] visual sighting of a flying saucer or a
[00:06:23] light a strange light at each one of
[00:06:25] these sightings okay you mentioned the
[00:06:28] saucers and the bodies now what kind of
[00:06:30] proof do you have that that that is true
[00:06:32] how do you know that well let me take a
[00:06:34] look let me read to your first day what
[00:06:36] the Air Force says about the about the
[00:06:38] bodies first of all I'm gonna read from
[00:06:41] the introductory Space Science Vol to
[00:06:43] Department of Physics United States Air
[00:06:45] Force this is chapter 13 unidentified
[00:06:48] flying objects now this is what the Air
[00:06:50] Force has
[00:06:51] students at the Air Force Academy read
[00:06:53] and it says the most commonly described
[00:06:55] alien is about three and a half feet
[00:06:57] tall has a round head arms reaching tor
[00:07:00] below his knees and is wearing a silvery
[00:07:02] spacesuit or coveralls other aliens
[00:07:05] appear to be essentially the same as
[00:07:06] Earth men while still others have
[00:07:08] particularly ride wraparound eyes and
[00:07:12] mouths with very thin lips and there was
[00:07:14] a rare group reported to be about 4 feet
[00:07:16] tall weight of around 35 pounds and
[00:07:18] covered with thick hair for clothing
[00:07:20] members of this last group are described
[00:07:22] as being extremely strong now I'm not
[00:07:24] making this up this is an airflow you
[00:07:26] can pick out an Air Force physics book
[00:07:27] and read this stuff and at the end of
[00:07:29] the chapter they go on to say this leads
[00:07:32] us to believe in the unpleasant
[00:07:34] possibility of alien visitors to our
[00:07:36] planet released of alien controlled UFOs
[00:07:39] now the picture that we have of the of
[00:07:43] the big head that the Air Force
[00:07:45] describes this picture was drawn by an
[00:07:49] Army Surgeon these are one of the bodies
[00:07:52] that was recovered in the famous Roswell
[00:07:53] incident of 1947 tell us about that it
[00:07:56] was the first flying saucer that crashed
[00:07:58] and was recovered by the army it was
[00:08:02] covered up there has been several books
[00:08:04] about it they recovered four beams and
[00:08:06] one of the surgeons that was responsible
[00:08:10] for the autopsy drew that picture and
[00:08:13] and came up with some of these
[00:08:17] interesting things in the autopsy I'll
[00:08:20] just read a couple like three and a half
[00:08:23] to four and a half feet tall two round
[00:08:25] eyes without pupils no earlobes noses
[00:08:28] vague neck described as being thin arms
[00:08:33] is described long and thin reaching down
[00:08:34] to the knee section you can see that
[00:08:36] there was a web portion in the hands no
[00:08:38] teeth no apparent we've reproductive
[00:08:40] organs brain is capacity unknown
[00:08:44] colorless liquid prevalent in the body
[00:08:46] without red cells no lymphocytes and
[00:08:49] there's more in that particularly this
[00:08:50] is an autopsy report and he said the
[00:08:52] government goes to great lengths the Air
[00:08:54] Force in particular to discredit this
[00:08:56] kind of stuff where did this come from
[00:08:57] how did you get that came in a private
[00:09:00] but came from the private collection of
[00:09:02] Leonard Stringfield who was one
[00:09:04] the premier researchers he worked for
[00:09:06] the Air Force in the early 50s in a
[00:09:10] secret project reporting UFOs then as a
[00:09:12] civilian he continued his private
[00:09:15] research and this is out of his
[00:09:16] collection why does the government want
[00:09:19] to hide this why doesn't the Air Force
[00:09:20] just come forward what isn't you know
[00:09:22] why don't they level with us if this is
[00:09:24] all true well there's not really much
[00:09:26] they could say based on what I've been
[00:09:27] able to find out George they're really
[00:09:30] you know what what could they say about
[00:09:31] it
[00:09:32] they've been researching it for many
[00:09:34] many years and based on my information
[00:09:37] let's say that the president decided to
[00:09:40] make an announcement this is if he made
[00:09:43] it today this is what I think that he
[00:09:46] would say my fellow Americans I come to
[00:09:49] you before you tonight with an
[00:09:50] announcement of great importance despite
[00:09:53] all our denials flying saucers do in
[00:09:55] fact exist where they come from we do
[00:09:57] not know who was in them we do not know
[00:10:00] where they are from we do not know nor
[00:10:03] do we know how they got here or what
[00:10:04] they want we are an MBO unable to
[00:10:07] duplicate any of the medals found on the
[00:10:09] several craft we have recovered nor are
[00:10:12] we able to figure out how they are
[00:10:13] propelled we have hidden these facts
[00:10:15] from you over the past 40 years in hopes
[00:10:18] that we give you could give you more
[00:10:19] answers unfortunately we are no closer
[00:10:23] to answers today than we were 40 years
[00:10:25] ago god bless you all in other words you
[00:10:28] find it highly unlikely that the
[00:10:30] president would ever make a statement
[00:10:31] anything like that no it's just it's too
[00:10:34] big if they're the master the problem is
[00:10:37] not only just the fact that there are
[00:10:40] five to five and as many as ten
[00:10:43] different civilizations visiting us
[00:10:45] apparently and this is from the research
[00:10:49] that I've done at least 90% of them are
[00:10:52] hostile
[00:10:53] and when I say hostile if not hostile
[00:10:56] they have a completely different set of
[00:10:59] morals than than we do okay I'll tell
[00:11:01] you what we're gonna come back to the
[00:11:03] President and aliens because there have
[00:11:05] been some statements made by presidents
[00:11:07] including President Reagan we'll be
[00:11:09] right back
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[00:11:21] welcome back UFOs are they real we're
[00:11:24] talking with John Lear on the subject
[00:11:26] mr. Lehrer mentioned a couple of minutes
[00:11:28] ago about what the president might say
[00:11:30] about UFOs do you believe that various
[00:11:33] presidents have been informed about what
[00:11:35] you believe to be the truth on UFOs each
[00:11:37] president has been informed up to an
[00:11:40] including President Reagan I'm not sure
[00:11:43] to the extent they are informed
[00:11:45] privately I don't believe they are
[00:11:47] giving the the full briefing the people
[00:11:50] that control this information is a
[00:11:52] organization that we know of as mj-12
[00:11:55] and their top group of military and
[00:12:01] scientists and I do know that when the
[00:12:03] President becomes president it takes at
[00:12:06] least three or four months before he is
[00:12:08] actually gets the clearance to know
[00:12:10] everything there is and that doesn't
[00:12:12] mean they tell him but it does take
[00:12:14] three or four months together now
[00:12:16] talking the president let's talk about
[00:12:18] what the president has actually said has
[00:12:20] he mentioned anything about aliens
[00:12:22] President Reagan President Reagan on
[00:12:24] December 4th 1985 this is a copy of the
[00:12:27] speech from the White House just before
[00:12:29] he went over to Iceland he says I
[00:12:32] couldn't but one point in our
[00:12:33] discussions privately with
[00:12:35] secretary-general Gorbachev when you
[00:12:37] stop to think that we're all God's
[00:12:39] children wherever we may live in this
[00:12:41] world I couldn't help but say to him
[00:12:43] just think how easy his task and mine
[00:12:45] might be in these meetings that we held
[00:12:47] if suddenly there was a threat to this
[00:12:49] world for some from some other species
[00:12:51] from another planet outside in the
[00:12:53] universe
[00:12:54] we'd forget all our local differences
[00:12:56] that we have between our countries and
[00:12:58] we would find out once and for all that
[00:13:01] we really are all human beings here on
[00:13:03] this earth together couldn't be just
[00:13:05] making a supposition for purpose of
[00:13:07] making a point you're saying he's trying
[00:13:10] to tell us that well here one week ago
[00:13:11] at the 42nd General Assembly at the in
[00:13:13] front of the UN September 21st he says
[00:13:17] in our obsession with the antagonism of
[00:13:19] the moment we often forget how much
[00:13:21] unites all the members of humanity
[00:13:23] perhaps we need some outside universal
[00:13:26] threat to make us recognize his common
[00:13:28] bond I occasionally think how quickly
[00:13:30] our differences worldwide would vanish
[00:13:32] if we were facing an alien threat from
[00:13:35] outside this world and yet I ask you is
[00:13:37] not an alien force not already among us
[00:13:39] now this is right out of a White House
[00:13:42] speech I'm not making this out what did
[00:13:45] he mean by this alien force I mean does
[00:13:47] it say does he go on to say something
[00:13:49] yeah he says what could be more alien to
[00:13:52] the universal aspirations of our people
[00:13:54] than war and the threat of war I thought
[00:13:57] the point is why would he even bring up
[00:13:59] aliens I mean it's it's it's pretty far
[00:14:01] out for the President of the United
[00:14:03] States to be mentioned threats from
[00:14:05] outer space okay what about President
[00:14:06] Carter President Carter we have the
[00:14:10] quote from Carter when he was during his
[00:14:13] election campaign if I become president
[00:14:15] I'll make every piece of information
[00:14:18] this country has about UFO sightings
[00:14:20] available to the public in the
[00:14:22] scientists I am convinced that UFOs
[00:14:24] exist because I have seen one Jimmy
[00:14:27] Carter says he saw one that's Jimmy
[00:14:29] Carter you saw what he didn't he didn't
[00:14:31] tell us did he he doesn't the pressure
[00:14:32] is enormous on these people to cover
[00:14:35] this stuff up how can that be are they
[00:14:37] afraid of a panic that people would
[00:14:39] panic
[00:14:40] there's the panic problem and there's
[00:14:44] also the problem that in fact in
[00:14:48] cro-magnon man there may have been some
[00:14:50] tinkering to make us what we are today
[00:14:52] and that's been borne out by several
[00:14:56] researchers we couldn't have developed
[00:14:59] exactly there's the missing link
[00:15:00] something had to happen to get us going
[00:15:02] between 4,000 and 8,000 BC we had just
[00:15:06] been going along and for hundreds of
[00:15:09] thousand years not doing anything all of
[00:15:11] a sudden bang we started making pottery
[00:15:13] invented the wheel invented fire and
[00:15:15] everything took off what was the key
[00:15:17] that did that I don't know but it causes
[00:15:20] one to thing you mentioned a couple of
[00:15:22] minutes ago before the break that you
[00:15:23] think 90% of these visitors are hostile
[00:15:26] what makes you think that
[00:15:27] well doesn't fit with what we think of
[00:15:30] as et you know we if you read some of
[00:15:33] these books that are on the news Dan
[00:15:35] one was called intruders one is called
[00:15:38] communion they apparently come down and
[00:15:42] when I say apparently this is taken from
[00:15:44] 300 hip missed hypnosis cases a friend
[00:15:50] of mine has done a hundred and forty of
[00:15:51] them and the people are abducted they're
[00:15:54] taken up into a saucer usually lasts
[00:15:57] about an hour they do all kinds of
[00:15:59] experiments they give them shots they
[00:16:01] poke them they they cut them they do all
[00:16:05] kinds of things then wipe out their
[00:16:06] memory and send them back only after
[00:16:09] several months of some psychological
[00:16:11] problems do they end up going to a
[00:16:14] psychiatrist and the psychiatrist on
[00:16:16] trying to find out what the problem is
[00:16:18] in the use of hypnosis finds out that
[00:16:21] this person has been abducted what's the
[00:16:23] reason for that what are they trying to
[00:16:25] learn there's three things that they're
[00:16:27] trying to do with these abductions the
[00:16:29] first thing is they're trying to monitor
[00:16:31] us it started in the early 40s and
[00:16:33] they'd put a little unit very small BB
[00:16:36] type object way up in the backside of
[00:16:39] the brain and they'd leave it there for
[00:16:41] about 18 years they'd pick him up and
[00:16:43] put it in about four years old 12 years
[00:16:46] old they would pick him up and monitor
[00:16:48] it and about 18 they'd take it out the
[00:16:51] second thing they did is they put a post
[00:16:54] hypnotic suggestion according to many of
[00:16:58] the people that have been hypnotized and
[00:17:02] we found out what they've told them
[00:17:04] apparently within the next two to five
[00:17:06] years there is going to be a big event
[00:17:08] something enormous is going to happen
[00:17:11] and these people who have been abducted
[00:17:13] and there's probably over a hundred
[00:17:14] thousands of them have been given
[00:17:16] someplace to go and something to do but
[00:17:19] under our best hypnotic techniques we
[00:17:21] cannot find out what it is so how do we
[00:17:24] know that that's true because they said
[00:17:26] where they are going to do some they
[00:17:29] know that they're going to do something
[00:17:30] but they under they have notice they
[00:17:32] can't find out exactly what it is and
[00:17:34] the third thing that they do is genetic
[00:17:36] experiments they've been crossbreeding
[00:17:38] there's a very good book out now called
[00:17:40] intruders written by Budd Hopkins and
[00:17:42] it's about a crossbreeding experiment
[00:17:44] with a
[00:17:45] girl in Indianapolis and they actually
[00:17:48] the the bighead which you coat what we
[00:17:51] call the bighead and researched a little
[00:17:52] three and a half foot tall with a big
[00:17:54] head they cross proved that with this
[00:17:58] girl in Indianapolis and there were
[00:17:59] seven children and just last fall before
[00:18:04] the book was published they brought the
[00:18:06] oldest and the youngest to show to her
[00:18:08] and they let her name all seven now this
[00:18:11] book has been thoroughly researched by
[00:18:13] Bona Hopkins and although it sounds
[00:18:15] strange believe me when I tell you you
[00:18:18] made me not you may not find out in a
[00:18:20] month a year five years or ten years but
[00:18:23] you'll look back at what I'm telling you
[00:18:24] now and you'll say to yourself my gosh
[00:18:28] the son of a gun was right well where's
[00:18:30] this girl now she's just she got no she
[00:18:34] lives in town or just outside of town
[00:18:37] she just got married but went to her
[00:18:38] wedding we all know who she is she gets
[00:18:41] long you know just fine it doesn't mean
[00:18:43] just because she was adopted and gave
[00:18:44] him children doesn't mean it was the end
[00:18:46] of the world it was just a part of her
[00:18:47] life why don't we see a lot of
[00:18:51] photographic evidence as many cameras
[00:18:54] and video gear why don't we see a lot of
[00:18:56] that there are before you go on I know
[00:18:59] the pictures that we showed in the
[00:19:01] beginning of this program you say
[00:19:02] they're baloney they're phonies that's
[00:19:04] right that the pictures you showed at
[00:19:05] the beginning were the called the Myers
[00:19:08] incident it's called a visitor the
[00:19:10] visitors from Pleiades and any ufologist
[00:19:14] worth his salt knows and who has
[00:19:17] researched that case knows that he
[00:19:20] cannot back it up with the negatives and
[00:19:21] the essential information to prove this
[00:19:24] that something like that happened so we
[00:19:27] we look at that as as suspect so in
[00:19:30] other words you run into your Sheriff
[00:19:32] phonies as well in your research
[00:19:33] absolutely there's not that many but
[00:19:37] there are a few out there there are so
[00:19:39] many people that have real stories to
[00:19:40] tell that we're just so busy with those
[00:19:43] for instance let's take the November
[00:19:45] 17th Japan Airlines incident I'll tell
[00:19:47] you what we're gonna take another break
[00:19:48] and we'll do that when we come back stay
[00:19:50] with
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[00:20:03] welcome back we have a few minutes left
[00:20:06] with John Lear we're talking about UFOs
[00:20:07] you're about to tell me about the
[00:20:09] Japanese airline incident it's probably
[00:20:10] something that's still in the memory of
[00:20:12] our viewers
[00:20:12] yeah the Japanese airline incident was a
[00:20:14] cargo 747 that had taken off from
[00:20:16] Iceland flying to Anchorage and as he
[00:20:19] passed over the United States border and
[00:20:22] the northern part of Anchorage
[00:20:24] he was intercepted by a UFO it was twice
[00:20:27] the size of an aircraft carrier and he
[00:20:30] was followed by 40 minutes he made a
[00:20:32] complete 360 degree right turn he made
[00:20:35] it a sin of 5,000 feet that things
[00:20:37] stayed with him regardless of what you
[00:20:39] hear the FAA did have him on radar and
[00:20:42] so did the Air Force if you have a
[00:20:43] picture there this is a 26 page document
[00:20:47] made by Bruce Maccabee who's a physics
[00:20:53] physicists employed by the Naval Surface
[00:20:55] weapons laboratory and one of the most
[00:20:57] respected figures in ufology I don't
[00:20:59] think we have that picture so go ahead
[00:21:01] okay I'm just gonna hold it up here and
[00:21:03] you can see the size of the 747 to the
[00:21:12] UFO now the UFO was not brightly lit
[00:21:15] like that it's just made like that for
[00:21:18] reference it was dark but this is what
[00:21:20] he saw beside him well whose rendition
[00:21:22] is this this is the captain's and this
[00:21:24] is from the captain's rendition when he
[00:21:26] was debriefed by the FAA now certain UFO
[00:21:30] debunkers have said what he saw was the
[00:21:33] planet Jupiter well this is an insult to
[00:21:35] all transport category captains around
[00:21:38] the world I mean the guy knows the
[00:21:39] difference between something that's
[00:21:40] twice as big as an aircraft carrier and
[00:21:42] the planet Jupiter I've also heard that
[00:21:44] it's the reflection of his own plane
[00:21:46] that's what the radar yeah it was an
[00:21:49] attempt to describe it unique cannon I
[00:21:51] can't imagine what pressure these people
[00:21:54] are under to to cover this stuff up it's
[00:21:57] it's tremendous pressure it really is
[00:22:00] okay you were gonna tell me that the
[00:22:02] church did you want to go further into
[00:22:04] the Jael incident no that's I just want
[00:22:06] to say as a 26-page report it had the
[00:22:08] captain and the ATC conversation
[00:22:12] had the the radar plots and it had the
[00:22:15] airforce plots and the FAA radar plots
[00:22:18] there's no question about it it was no
[00:22:20] being followed him the church what do
[00:22:22] they think about UFO well here's a copy
[00:22:24] from the London Evening News July 21st
[00:22:28] 1987 and says prepare to meet dyneins
[00:22:31] Vatican theologians have acknowledged
[00:22:34] that there could be life on other
[00:22:35] planets now they plan to train
[00:22:37] missionaries capable of working in space
[00:22:39] and meeting aliens Jesuit scientists at
[00:22:42] the Vatican Observatory in frascati near
[00:22:44] Rome have reported moving lights and
[00:22:46] other identified phenomena in the sky
[00:22:48] starting in September the Vatican
[00:22:50] University will have especially you a
[00:22:51] full section you've said before you
[00:22:54] thought a lot of their intentions were
[00:22:56] hostile and you've mentioned before that
[00:22:58] a lot of the sightings are around
[00:22:59] military bases why don't we see him here
[00:23:02] Las Vegas we got a lot of military bases
[00:23:04] here well the in fact there have been a
[00:23:06] lot of a lot of reports of UFOs in
[00:23:08] around Las Vegas not specifically over
[00:23:11] the air force bases we have the test
[00:23:15] site and of course we don't know what's
[00:23:16] going on there and we have Nellis Air
[00:23:19] Force Base but there have not really
[00:23:21] been a lot of sightings over there the
[00:23:23] main air force sightings were in 1975
[00:23:27] and the UFOs descended on every
[00:23:32] Strategic Air Command base guarding the
[00:23:34] perimeter of the northern United States
[00:23:36] and they hovered over the nuclear
[00:23:38] weapons storage area and they stayed
[00:23:41] there with impunity for up to two and
[00:23:43] three hours over a period of three days
[00:23:45] and nobody heard about it well there was
[00:23:47] a few reports but you really don't I
[00:23:49] have a I have a report 150 pages long of
[00:23:53] the f-16s that were sent out to chase
[00:23:55] him in the helicopter is and notifying
[00:23:58] the Canadian authorities and the and the
[00:24:01] security patrolmen that were sent down
[00:24:03] to actually see what was going on and
[00:24:05] they'd come up on these things and they
[00:24:07] say I'm not going any further you think
[00:24:10] maybe it's a top-secret area if the Air
[00:24:14] Force actually does have them
[00:24:15] maybe they got him here I'm sure they do
[00:24:18] up at the test site there's a report
[00:24:22] that of the three the
[00:24:25] they got in perfectly good condition at
[00:24:27] least one is up at the test site and has
[00:24:29] flown and and one was being flown as of
[00:24:32] 1981 by us by us you know we mentioned
[00:24:37] at the top of the show that perhaps a
[00:24:39] breakthrough might be coming that some
[00:24:40] of these people from mj-12 or from the
[00:24:43] project Bluebook who are in on the
[00:24:45] government's research and we saw some of
[00:24:47] the stuff might be ready to talk we got
[00:24:49] about a minute left why don't you tell
[00:24:51] me about it it's our information that
[00:24:52] that half as part of mj-12 wants to
[00:24:55] release it part of it doesn't we're
[00:24:58] hoping that we can do this but of course
[00:25:00] as researchers were not aware of all the
[00:25:02] ramifications we just know of what we're
[00:25:05] looking at so we would like to seem
[00:25:07] release it but we really don't know if
[00:25:10] they are okay John Lear it's been very
[00:25:12] interesting you keep us posted
[00:25:14] sure well thank you we'll see you next
[00:25:16] week with more of on the record
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