DJT about to make a “we are not alone” speech? (Page 1 of 2)
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Originally Posted By raverill: Huge win if true! Will be interesting to see how much disclosure there is This is the “circuses” part of “bread and circuses,” right? |
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Originally Posted By raverill: Huge win if true! Will be interesting to see how much disclosure there is If we can’t get full Disclosure… An acknowledgement and proof would be enough for me to start. |
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Originally Posted By Tirador223: This is the “circuses” part of “bread and circuses,” right? By the gods, this site needs a like button. |
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Originally Posted By Tirador223: This is the “circuses” part of “bread and circuses,” right? Originally Posted By Tirador223: Originally Posted By raverill: Huge win if true! Will be interesting to see how much disclosure there is This is the “circuses” part of “bread and circuses,” right? Absolutely. No Epstein files. UE is up. Inflation is still 2.8% and going to climb based on dollar devaluation. Manufacturing job creation flat/slightly retracting. Still can't pass a budget. Wonder why all this random shit started coming out of the Whitehouse? |
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| I have it on good authority that, it is sorta about disclosure, but it is more about the tariff T$ is laying on alien imports because they don't allow any US goods to be imported at all. He is trying to negotiate a trade deal. I guess we will see if the aliens concede if if they take a hard stand. A good source says the aliens are calling US technology ancient and don't want any of it. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I have it on good authority that, it is sorta about disclosure, but it is more about the tariff T$ is laying on alien imports because they don't allow any US goods to be imported at all. He is trying to negotiate a trade deal. I guess we will see if the aliens concede if if they take a hard stand. A good source says the aliens are calling US technology ancient and don't want any of it. 
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I will post a valid question on the topic. How many years need to go by with constant "disclosure may be imminent announcements " before people realize they are being played? ETA: i will also say I have seen things and I believe we are probably being visisted, I just don't believe the govt will ever admit to it beyond what President Reagan said decades ago. |
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| I have little doubt that something as has been predicted we will see something happen in March or April this year that will be undeniable. And with the huge 2020 election stuff being proven and behind him that will clear an awful lot off his plate that has been fighting against him including the media having to for once tell the truth. |
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Originally Posted By LotBoy: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/11835/1351845326little-grey-extraterrestial-al-2709476.gif That one still gets me. It’s so good. |
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Originally Posted By macman37: That one still gets me. It’s so good. And I find myself making the exact same expression multiple times per day. Gods...you can feel the disappointment. |
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Originally Posted By macman37: That one still gets me. It’s so good. The neck is not sufficient enough to support the head in our gravity. It looks cool but it has that glaring issue IMO. I highly doubt T$ will make the speech. I think the "leak" is making things up. |
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Looks like Obama beat him to it. https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-says-aliens-are-real-i-havent-seen-them-recent-podcast-interview |
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Originally Posted By sq40: Looks like Obama beat him to it. https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-says-aliens-are-real-i-havent-seen-them-recent-podcast-interview Originally Posted By sq40: Looks like Obama beat him to it. https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-says-aliens-are-real-i-havent-seen-them-recent-podcast-interview It seems more like he's trying to back out based on that. Statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good there's life out there. But the distances between solar systems are so great that the chances we've been visited by aliens is low, and I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us. Really! Seems odd to have an immediate "they're real" definitive answer, but then talk about statistical probabilities. |
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Originally Posted By ashiha: It seems more like he's trying to back out based on that. Seems odd to have an immediate "they're real" definitive answer, but then talk about statistical probabilities. Originally Posted By ashiha: Originally Posted By sq40: Looks like Obama beat him to it. https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-says-aliens-are-real-i-havent-seen-them-recent-podcast-interview It seems more like he's trying to back out based on that. Statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good there's life out there. But the distances between solar systems are so great that the chances we've been visited by aliens is low, and I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us. Really! Seems odd to have an immediate "they're real" definitive answer, but then talk about statistical probabilities. Well...to be fair, that's the "standard scientific view." Yes, aliens exist. No, they've not crossed the wildly vast interstellar distances to come visit our little pale blue dot. Hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, most of which have planets around them. Quintillions of planets in the observable universe, probably trillions in our galaxy alone. Life might be in our very backyard, or was. Mars, moons of Jupiter and Saturn, etc. Intelligent life is out there also, somewhere. But it's damn fucking hard to travel through space. Like, nearly impossible for organic lifeforms as we understand them. So the phenomena is either so alien we're not going to understand it anyway...or it's not extraterrestrial. It's been here all along. Which seems to be the way people are leaning these days. |
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Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: The neck is not sufficient enough to support the head in our gravity. It looks cool but it has that glaring issue IMO. I highly doubt T$ will make the speech. I think the "leak" is making things up. Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By macman37: That one still gets me. It’s so good. The neck is not sufficient enough to support the head in our gravity. It looks cool but it has that glaring issue IMO. I highly doubt T$ will make the speech. I think the "leak" is making things up. I can debate that about the neck. It’s not a super pencil neck like the CE3K alien in Lotboy’s avatar, you know? It blinks so well, if it’s a fake it’s been around a long time and that makes it even more impressive. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Well...to be fair, that's the "standard scientific view." Yes, aliens exist. No, they've not crossed the wildly vast interstellar distances to come visit our little pale blue dot. Hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, most of which have planets around them. Quintillions of planets in the observable universe, probably trillions in our galaxy alone. Life might be in our very backyard, or was. Mars, moons of Jupiter and Saturn, etc. Intelligent life is out there also, somewhere. But it's damn fucking hard to travel through space. Like, nearly impossible for organic lifeforms as we understand them. So the phenomena is either so alien we're not going to understand it anyway...or it's not extraterrestrial. It's been here all along. Which seems to be the way people are leaning these days. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By ashiha: Originally Posted By sq40: Looks like Obama beat him to it. https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-says-aliens-are-real-i-havent-seen-them-recent-podcast-interview It seems more like he's trying to back out based on that. Statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good there's life out there. But the distances between solar systems are so great that the chances we've been visited by aliens is low, and I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us. Really! Seems odd to have an immediate "they're real" definitive answer, but then talk about statistical probabilities. Well...to be fair, that's the "standard scientific view." Yes, aliens exist. No, they've not crossed the wildly vast interstellar distances to come visit our little pale blue dot. Hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, most of which have planets around them. Quintillions of planets in the observable universe, probably trillions in our galaxy alone. Life might be in our very backyard, or was. Mars, moons of Jupiter and Saturn, etc. Intelligent life is out there also, somewhere. But it's damn fucking hard to travel through space. Like, nearly impossible for organic lifeforms as we understand them. So the phenomena is either so alien we're not going to understand it anyway...or it's not extraterrestrial. It's been here all along. Which seems to be the way people are leaning these days. This all needs to be caveated with “based on our current science and understanding of how the universe works.” Those vast spaces would not be as daunting to a race or races with greater understanding of physics and/or how to shortcut it, or interdimensional race/s. |
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Originally Posted By macman37: This all needs to be caveated with “based on our current science and understanding of how the universe works.” Those vast spaces would not be as daunting to a race or races with greater understanding of physics and/or how to shortcut it, or interdimensional race/s. Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By ashiha: Originally Posted By sq40: Looks like Obama beat him to it. https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-says-aliens-are-real-i-havent-seen-them-recent-podcast-interview It seems more like he's trying to back out based on that. Statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good there's life out there. But the distances between solar systems are so great that the chances we've been visited by aliens is low, and I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us. Really! Seems odd to have an immediate "they're real" definitive answer, but then talk about statistical probabilities. Well...to be fair, that's the "standard scientific view." Yes, aliens exist. No, they've not crossed the wildly vast interstellar distances to come visit our little pale blue dot. Hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, most of which have planets around them. Quintillions of planets in the observable universe, probably trillions in our galaxy alone. Life might be in our very backyard, or was. Mars, moons of Jupiter and Saturn, etc. Intelligent life is out there also, somewhere. But it's damn fucking hard to travel through space. Like, nearly impossible for organic lifeforms as we understand them. So the phenomena is either so alien we're not going to understand it anyway...or it's not extraterrestrial. It's been here all along. Which seems to be the way people are leaning these days. This all needs to be caveated with “based on our current science and understanding of how the universe works.” Those vast spaces would not be as daunting to a race or races with greater understanding of physics and/or how to shortcut it, or interdimensional race/s. Except a caveat like that is intellectually dishonest. Of course the statements are based on the current understanding of physics, astrophysics, quantum theory, relativity, etc., because that's what we currently know and understand. General relativity and quantum theory, by the way, are literally the two most tested theories in all of science, and have passed every test thrown at them for over a century. Let that sink in for a minute...over a hundred years of people trying their very best to poke holes in them, and failing, while at the same time every prediction made by them is proven to be accurate. To say "we just don't know everything" is true, but it's also selling us far short. To say that a race that's been around longer simply knows more and/or can just break the "rules" of all the science we've discovered is pure, unrelenting speculation. It's very possible that what we've discovered is fundamental physics. The reason that the two theories haven't been integrated yet could be that they can't. Scientists take that idea very seriously even as they continue to look for said unification. At the end of the day, we either base things on what we know, or we base them on what we imagine and have been spoon-fed with generations of SciFi, 99% of which is completely incompatible with anything resembling science. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Except a caveat like that is intellectually dishonest. Of course the statements are based on the current understanding of physics, astrophysics, quantum theory, relativity, etc., because that's what we currently know and understand. General relativity and quantum theory, by the way, are literally the two most tested theories in all of science, and have passed every test thrown at them for over a century. Let that sink in for a minute...over a hundred years of people trying their very best to poke holes in them, and failing, while at the same time every prediction made by them is proven to be accurate. To say "we just don't know everything" is true, but it's also selling us far short. To say that a race that's been around longer simply knows more and/or can just break the "rules" of all the science we've discovered is pure, unrelenting speculation. It's very possible that what we've discovered is fundamental physics. The reason that the two theories haven't been integrated yet could be that they can't. Scientists take that idea very seriously even as they continue to look for said unification. At the end of the day, we either base things on what we know, or we base them on what we imagine and have been spoon-fed with generations of SciFi, 99% of which is completely incompatible with anything resembling science. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By ashiha: Originally Posted By sq40: Looks like Obama beat him to it. https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-says-aliens-are-real-i-havent-seen-them-recent-podcast-interview It seems more like he's trying to back out based on that. Statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good there's life out there. But the distances between solar systems are so great that the chances we've been visited by aliens is low, and I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us. Really! Seems odd to have an immediate "they're real" definitive answer, but then talk about statistical probabilities. Well...to be fair, that's the "standard scientific view." Yes, aliens exist. No, they've not crossed the wildly vast interstellar distances to come visit our little pale blue dot. Hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, most of which have planets around them. Quintillions of planets in the observable universe, probably trillions in our galaxy alone. Life might be in our very backyard, or was. Mars, moons of Jupiter and Saturn, etc. Intelligent life is out there also, somewhere. But it's damn fucking hard to travel through space. Like, nearly impossible for organic lifeforms as we understand them. So the phenomena is either so alien we're not going to understand it anyway...or it's not extraterrestrial. It's been here all along. Which seems to be the way people are leaning these days. This all needs to be caveated with “based on our current science and understanding of how the universe works.” Those vast spaces would not be as daunting to a race or races with greater understanding of physics and/or how to shortcut it, or interdimensional race/s. Except a caveat like that is intellectually dishonest. Of course the statements are based on the current understanding of physics, astrophysics, quantum theory, relativity, etc., because that's what we currently know and understand. General relativity and quantum theory, by the way, are literally the two most tested theories in all of science, and have passed every test thrown at them for over a century. Let that sink in for a minute...over a hundred years of people trying their very best to poke holes in them, and failing, while at the same time every prediction made by them is proven to be accurate. To say "we just don't know everything" is true, but it's also selling us far short. To say that a race that's been around longer simply knows more and/or can just break the "rules" of all the science we've discovered is pure, unrelenting speculation. It's very possible that what we've discovered is fundamental physics. The reason that the two theories haven't been integrated yet could be that they can't. Scientists take that idea very seriously even as they continue to look for said unification. At the end of the day, we either base things on what we know, or we base them on what we imagine and have been spoon-fed with generations of SciFi, 99% of which is completely incompatible with anything resembling science. The same can be said for two hundred years of evolved apes trying to unravel the mysteries of a universe whose true scope remains almost entirely beyond our grasp. In those two hundred years, those same scientists also spent a lot of time telling others what can't be done, but eventually turned out to be wrong. Regardless of what is possible when it comes to travel, a million years from now, if the human race is lucky enough to still be around, science will have discovered so much that it would be incomprehensible to today's scientists. The history of science is a history of confident declarations of impossibility being shattered. Lord Kelvin declared heavier than air flight impossible. Auguste Comte insisted we could never know the chemical composition of stars. The atom was indivisible until it wasn't. In short, scientists are retarded. 
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Except a caveat like that is intellectually dishonest. Of course the statements are based on the current understanding of physics, astrophysics, quantum theory, relativity, etc., because that's what we currently know and understand. General relativity and quantum theory, by the way, are literally the two most tested theories in all of science, and have passed every test thrown at them for over a century. Let that sink in for a minute...over a hundred years of people trying their very best to poke holes in them, and failing, while at the same time every prediction made by them is proven to be accurate. To say "we just don't know everything" is true, but it's also selling us far short. To say that a race that's been around longer simply knows more and/or can just break the "rules" of all the science we've discovered is pure, unrelenting speculation. It's very possible that what we've discovered is fundamental physics. The reason that the two theories haven't been integrated yet could be that they can't. Scientists take that idea very seriously even as they continue to look for said unification. At the end of the day, we either base things on what we know, or we base them on what we imagine and have been spoon-fed with generations of SciFi, 99% of which is completely incompatible with anything resembling science. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By ashiha: Originally Posted By sq40: Looks like Obama beat him to it. https://www.foxnews.com/media/obama-says-aliens-are-real-i-havent-seen-them-recent-podcast-interview It seems more like he's trying to back out based on that. Statistically, the universe is so vast that the odds are good there's life out there. But the distances between solar systems are so great that the chances we've been visited by aliens is low, and I saw no evidence during my presidency that extraterrestrials have made contact with us. Really! Seems odd to have an immediate "they're real" definitive answer, but then talk about statistical probabilities. Well...to be fair, that's the "standard scientific view." Yes, aliens exist. No, they've not crossed the wildly vast interstellar distances to come visit our little pale blue dot. Hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, most of which have planets around them. Quintillions of planets in the observable universe, probably trillions in our galaxy alone. Life might be in our very backyard, or was. Mars, moons of Jupiter and Saturn, etc. Intelligent life is out there also, somewhere. But it's damn fucking hard to travel through space. Like, nearly impossible for organic lifeforms as we understand them. So the phenomena is either so alien we're not going to understand it anyway...or it's not extraterrestrial. It's been here all along. Which seems to be the way people are leaning these days. This all needs to be caveated with “based on our current science and understanding of how the universe works.” Those vast spaces would not be as daunting to a race or races with greater understanding of physics and/or how to shortcut it, or interdimensional race/s. Except a caveat like that is intellectually dishonest. Of course the statements are based on the current understanding of physics, astrophysics, quantum theory, relativity, etc., because that's what we currently know and understand. General relativity and quantum theory, by the way, are literally the two most tested theories in all of science, and have passed every test thrown at them for over a century. Let that sink in for a minute...over a hundred years of people trying their very best to poke holes in them, and failing, while at the same time every prediction made by them is proven to be accurate. To say "we just don't know everything" is true, but it's also selling us far short. To say that a race that's been around longer simply knows more and/or can just break the "rules" of all the science we've discovered is pure, unrelenting speculation. It's very possible that what we've discovered is fundamental physics. The reason that the two theories haven't been integrated yet could be that they can't. Scientists take that idea very seriously even as they continue to look for said unification. At the end of the day, we either base things on what we know, or we base them on what we imagine and have been spoon-fed with generations of SciFi, 99% of which is completely incompatible with anything resembling science. I don’t see it as intellectually dishonest at all. If we kept the blinders on and rigidly stayed on this course, we’ll be selling ourselves short. The universe is vast, and the options are limited… so I’m basing it on what we know, and steel-manning the discussion with “…but if it was possible, how could it happen?” Show me the dishonesty there. |
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https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a69663990/scientists-say-physical-warp-drive-now-possible/ Scientists Announce a Physical Warp Drive Is Now Possible. Seriously. Humans are one step closer to traveling at faster-than-light speeds. BY CAROLINE DELBERTPUBLISHED: DEC 08, 2025 2:33 PM EST Here’s what you’ll learn when you read this story: A research paper proposes a fully physically realized model for warp drive. This builds on an existing model that requires negative energy—an impossibility. The new model is exciting, but warp speed is still probably decades or centuries away. In a surprising paper, scientists say they’ve nailed down a physical model for a warp drive, which flies in the face of what we’ve long thought about the crazy concept of warp speed travel: that it requires exotic, negative forces. This brings us to the new study, which scientists in the Advanced Propulsion Laboratory (APL) at Applied Physics just published in the peer-reviewed journal Classical and Quantum Gravity. In the report, the APL team unveils the world’s first model for a physical warp drive—one that doesn’t require negative energy. The study is understandably pretty thick (read the whole thing here), but here’s the gist of the model: Where the existing paradigm uses negative energy—exotic matter that doesn’t exist and can’t be generated within our current understanding of the universe—this new concept uses floating bubbles of spacetime rather than floating ships in spacetime https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.06824 |
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Originally Posted By macman37: I don’t see it as intellectually dishonest at all. If we kept the blinders on and rigidly stayed on this course, we’ll be selling ourselves short. The universe is vast, and the options are limited… so I’m basing it on what we know, and steel-manning the discussion with “…but if it was possible, how could it happen?” Show me the dishonesty there. It boils down to rigorous study, scientific theories that are tested, and a current state of understanding and knowledge vs dreaming and flights of fancy. We're not selling ourselves short by staying on the course of science. We're discovering the nature of actual reality. No one has blinders on...they've looked at every concept an author has dreamt up and found specific, grounded reasons it can't work int he framework of our understanding. And that's the key point...our framework of understanding. Every time we make an advancement, every time we learn something new, that framework expands and old, discarded concepts get re-evaluated. That's actual progress. Or, start at the end product, i.e. FTL and whatever other essentially magical technology a person wants to imagine, and work your way back...except no one ever makes it back past the point that they say "well, in the future..." or "well, a more advanced species..." Again...dreams and flights of fancy. Those are inherently beautiful...and intellectually dishonest. |
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Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a69663990/scientists-say-physical-warp-drive-now-possible/ Scientists Announce a Physical Warp Drive Is Now Possible. Seriously. Humans are one step closer to traveling at faster-than-light speeds. BY CAROLINE DELBERTPUBLISHED: DEC 08, 2025 2:33 PM EST Here’s what you’ll learn when you read this story: A research paper proposes a fully physically realized model for warp drive. This builds on an existing model that requires negative energy—an impossibility. The new model is exciting, but warp speed is still probably decades or centuries away. In a surprising paper, scientists say they’ve nailed down a physical model for a warp drive, which flies in the face of what we’ve long thought about the crazy concept of warp speed travel: that it requires exotic, negative forces. This brings us to the new study, which scientists in the Advanced Propulsion Laboratory (APL) at Applied Physics just published in the peer-reviewed journal Classical and Quantum Gravity. In the report, the APL team unveils the world’s first model for a physical warp drive—one that doesn’t require negative energy. The study is understandably pretty thick (read the whole thing here), but here’s the gist of the model: Where the existing paradigm uses negative energy—exotic matter that doesn’t exist and can’t be generated within our current understanding of the universe—this new concept uses floating bubbles of spacetime rather than floating ships in spacetime https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.06824 I keep going back in my mind to a video I posted recently ,maybe Jesse, that claimed we already have reverse engineered craft flying at 200x the speed of light. True??? At this point in time wtf really knows?????????? And I even think I may have seen a ghost yesterday for real. I turned on the light in my breakfast room and briefly saw a shadow to my left that should not have been there! Something I have never witnessed happening my entire life. |
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Trump says Obama released classified information with the statement. But he may declassify it to keep him out of trouble. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/gPSTzjJVDS |
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Originally Posted By sq40: Trump says Obama released classified information with the statement. But he may declassify it to keep him out of trouble. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/gPSTzjJVDS Trumps statement that he may get him out of trouble. He may declassifie it. Not that I see how Obama released classified information in any way. How would that get him out of trouble? "If he did if fact release CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. " Trump declassifying it after the violation of releasing it. Wouldn't undo the releasing information the was CLASSIFIED at the time. He would have to be pardoned. Its all just so ridiculous. Like a really bad soap opera. |
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Originally Posted By lil_Sig: Trumps statement that he may get him out of trouble. He may declassifie it. Not that I see how Obama released classified information in any way. How would that get him out of trouble? "If he did if fact release CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. " Trump declassifying it after the violation of releasing it. Wouldn't undo the releasing information the was CLASSIFIED at the time. He would have to be pardoned. Its all just so ridiculous. Like a really bad soap opera. Originally Posted By lil_Sig: Originally Posted By sq40: Trump says Obama released classified information with the statement. But he may declassify it to keep him out of trouble. https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/s/gPSTzjJVDS Trumps statement that he may get him out of trouble. He may declassifie it. Not that I see how Obama released classified information in any way. How would that get him out of trouble? "If he did if fact release CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. " Trump declassifying it after the violation of releasing it. Wouldn't undo the releasing information the was CLASSIFIED at the time. He would have to be pardoned. Its all just so ridiculous. Like a really bad soap opera. Exactly. This is where I wish he wasn't the way he is with social media and the spotlight. |
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Just hit Truth social: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116100300268316472 Based on the tremendous interest shown, I will be directing the Secretary of War, and other relevant Departments and Agencies, to begin the process of identifying and releasing Government files related to alien and extraterrestrial life, unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), and unidentified flying objects (UFOs), and any and all other information connected to these highly complex, but extremely interesting and important, matters. GOD BLESS AMERICA! 
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Originally Posted By seek2: Just hit Truth social: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116100300268316472 https://i.postimg.cc/SKXNXnJM/trump-uap.png Originally Posted By seek2: Just hit Truth social: https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116100300268316472 Based on the tremendous interest shown, I will be directing the Secretary of War, and other relevant Departments and Agencies, to begin the process of identifying and releasing Government files related to alien and extraterrestrial life, unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), and unidentified flying objects (UFOs), and any and all other information connected to these highly complex, but extremely interesting and important, matters. GOD BLESS AMERICA! https://i.postimg.cc/SKXNXnJM/trump-uap.png Half the country is already screaming "distraction from the Epstein files!!" like the whole world is supposed to pause until they hear whatever they're hoping to hear. If you're wrapped up in something you think is the most important thing that could possibly exist (especially when it isn't), you're going to think anything aside from that thing is a distraction. It's idiotic. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: It boils down to rigorous study, scientific theories that are tested, and a current state of understanding and knowledge vs dreaming and flights of fancy. We're not selling ourselves short by staying on the course of science. We're discovering the nature of actual reality. No one has blinders on...they've looked at every concept an author has dreamt up and found specific, grounded reasons it can't work int he framework of our understanding. And that's the key point...our framework of understanding. Every time we make an advancement, every time we learn something new, that framework expands and old, discarded concepts get re-evaluated. That's actual progress. Or, start at the end product, i.e. FTL and whatever other essentially magical technology a person wants to imagine, and work your way back...except no one ever makes it back past the point that they say "well, in the future..." or "well, a more advanced species..." Again...dreams and flights of fancy. Those are inherently beautiful...and intellectually dishonest. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: I don’t see it as intellectually dishonest at all. If we kept the blinders on and rigidly stayed on this course, we’ll be selling ourselves short. The universe is vast, and the options are limited… so I’m basing it on what we know, and steel-manning the discussion with “…but if it was possible, how could it happen?” Show me the dishonesty there. It boils down to rigorous study, scientific theories that are tested, and a current state of understanding and knowledge vs dreaming and flights of fancy. We're not selling ourselves short by staying on the course of science. We're discovering the nature of actual reality. No one has blinders on...they've looked at every concept an author has dreamt up and found specific, grounded reasons it can't work int he framework of our understanding. And that's the key point...our framework of understanding. Every time we make an advancement, every time we learn something new, that framework expands and old, discarded concepts get re-evaluated. That's actual progress. Or, start at the end product, i.e. FTL and whatever other essentially magical technology a person wants to imagine, and work your way back...except no one ever makes it back past the point that they say "well, in the future..." or "well, a more advanced species..." Again...dreams and flights of fancy. Those are inherently beautiful...and intellectually dishonest. I know you’re trying to cage me in as the flights-of-fancy guy and you’re the stoic science guy, but it’s not like that. Lots of scientists are sci-fi fans and use science to prove what used to be fiction. You kind of admit this yourself. |
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Originally Posted By rob78: Absolutely. No Epstein files. UE is up. Inflation is still 2.8% and going to climb based on dollar devaluation. Manufacturing job creation flat/slightly retracting. Still can't pass a budget. Wonder why all this random shit started coming out of the Whitehouse? Got another terminal TDS case here. |
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