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Haven't watched them yet but FE 5090 reviews are going up. RTX 5090 or just a 4090 Ti? Nvidia’s new Gaming Monster  Nvidia GeForce RTX 5090 Review, 1440p & 4K Gaming Benchmarks Edit: I am trying to watch the Hardware Unboxed vid and Steve keeps calling it a 4090 Ti and (presumably) Tim keeps correcting him with 5090. I'm fuggin dying 
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Originally Posted By Dam17er: Haven't watched them yet but FE 5090 reviews are going up.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La4EdRPT_Mg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA5lFiP3mrsEdit: I am trying to watch the Hardware Unboxed vid and Steve keeps calling it a 4090 Ti and (presumably) Tim keeps correcting him with 5090. I'm fuggin dying The performance uplift is minimal once you factor in the increased cost and power draw over the 4090. Other than the admittedly very impressive 2 slot cooler this seems like a miss at least at the price. If it was the same cost as the 4090 it would be a different story. Really curious to see how the 5080 does since it is half the card as the 5090 on paper. |
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The handful of sites I've check seem to be average ~25-35% more performance than a 4090. Best case ~50% faster than 4090 and worst case slightly under 4090. Computerbase.de did a restricted thermal test in a Fractal Torrent with an aircooled 9800x3d and Noctua D15. Results were interesting, cooking the 9800x3d at 95C, they bumped the fans up a bit and dropped temps ~10C, then ramped fans all the way up to get temps ~5C under what the 4090 did in the initial restricted test. Edit- This doesn't look like a good idea for SFF cases with really limited airflow options. |
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Originally Posted By snakes19: The performance uplift is minimal once you factor in the increased cost and power draw over the 4090. Other than the admittedly very impressive 2 slot cooler this seems like a miss at least at the price. If it was the same cost as the 4090 it would be a different story. Really curious to see how the 5080 does since it is half the card as the 5090 on paper. I'm a little over half way through the HU vid. Benchmarks are all over the place. There were at least 2 instances at 1440p where the 4090 was faster. So far, I'm incredibly underwhelmed. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I might skip the 5090 at this point. I want to see benchmarks for AIBs with decent coolers before deciding one way or another, but it's not looking great for 4090 owners so far. From the Hardware Unboxed vid: 1440p 17 game average shows 4090 with 130 fps 1% lows, 171 fps average. 5090 with 144 fps 1% lows, 192 fps average. 4k 17 game average shows 4090 with 87 fps 1% lows, 108 fps average. 5090 with 106 fps 1% lows, 137 fps average. |
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Originally Posted By Dam17er: I'm a little over half way through the HU vid. Benchmarks are all over the place. There were at least 2 instances at 1440p where the 4090 was faster. So far, I'm incredibly underwhelmed. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I might skip the 5090 at this point. I want to see benchmarks for AIBs with decent coolers before deciding one way or another, but it's not looking great for 4090 owners so far. From the Hardware Unboxed vid: 1440p 17 game average shows 4090 with 130 fps 1% lows, 171 fps average. 5090 with 144 fps 1% lows, 192 fps average. 4k 17 game average shows 4090 with 87 fps 1% lows, 108 fps average. 5090 with 106 fps 1% lows, 137 fps average. Originally Posted By Dam17er: Originally Posted By snakes19: The performance uplift is minimal once you factor in the increased cost and power draw over the 4090. Other than the admittedly very impressive 2 slot cooler this seems like a miss at least at the price. If it was the same cost as the 4090 it would be a different story. Really curious to see how the 5080 does since it is half the card as the 5090 on paper. I'm a little over half way through the HU vid. Benchmarks are all over the place. There were at least 2 instances at 1440p where the 4090 was faster. So far, I'm incredibly underwhelmed. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I might skip the 5090 at this point. I want to see benchmarks for AIBs with decent coolers before deciding one way or another, but it's not looking great for 4090 owners so far. From the Hardware Unboxed vid: 1440p 17 game average shows 4090 with 130 fps 1% lows, 171 fps average. 5090 with 144 fps 1% lows, 192 fps average. 4k 17 game average shows 4090 with 87 fps 1% lows, 108 fps average. 5090 with 106 fps 1% lows, 137 fps average. if you are buying a $2000 GPU you better be gaming at 4k |
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Originally Posted By MilHouse-556: I'm so old school. I think all this frame gen stuff is garbo. DLSS even bothers me. I don't really like where GPU stuff is heading. I completely agree, but I think Nvidia is going to foist this on us regardless. Originally Posted By snakes19: if you are buying a $2000 GPU you better be gaming at 4k I'm in the "get both" camp, but you do you. That's why PC gaming is so great. |
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Originally Posted By Dam17er: Haven't watched them yet but FE 5090 reviews are going up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La4EdRPT_Mg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA5lFiP3mrsEdit: I am trying to watch the Hardware Unboxed vid and Steve keeps calling it a 4090 Ti and (presumably) Tim keeps correcting him with 5090. I'm fuggin dying Dammit I forgot about the embargo was over today. 
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 NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition Review & Benchmarks: Gaming, Thermals, & Power |
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It's so whack they have to ask viewers to sell them cards for review.  I've been pretty harsh on the new series and objectively from a price to performance increase standpoint, it seems deserved after the reviews came out. Even being the case, there are going to be people that need these cards for one reason or another, and the supply sounds truly awful. For me, and everybody else on a 30 series or older, a 50 series still may make enough sense to warrant purchasing (It'll be another couple years at least before we get another crack at new cards), but it won't be if I can't even find one. |
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The generation over generation increase in performance is pretty good (Jay said ~35% across the games they tested) and of course will vary more or less based on the game. The biggest issue is the $500 MSRP price jump over the 4090, and for those who already have a 4090 it's probably not worth taking the hit unless you just don't care and want the latest high end card. For those on 30XX series and wanting to go 4k there is obviously nothing better. I really wish the 5080 had 24 gigs of VRAM Based on comments so far I am not impressed with the multi-frame gen, and the latency it ads. I mostly play FPS online with some MSFS mixed in. Adding latency to an online FPS is no bueno. |
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Going for a 70TI or 80. Currently on a 3060Ti so I know I’ll get a good lift in performance but comparing a 4080 to a 5080, I think 10-15% improvement is a realistic…look than what their marketing department is pushing. Would be a great time for AMD to push a “real frames” card but gonna be behind the curve I think |
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The GN video was helpful. It looks like the FE has two exhaust streams. One is at a really nice angle but the other looks like it would dump heat into a CPU fan/heatsink tower.. I don't know how that compares to what the 4090 was doing but something to consider. |
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Originally Posted By JTX23: I don't know how that compares to what the 4090 was doing The 4090 cooled itself by being a massive heatsink brick. The cooling design is the one area that Nvidia should get a massive W on, and it's a shame because it looked like many of the aftermarket options still went the massive brick route (Although, I'm not sure how much of the FE design is patented and whether or not they're willing to share with the aftermarket). If you have the space for it, having a massive brick isn't necessarily a problem (In fact, I fully expect aftermarket cards to have better thermals), but I certainly don't have the space for it. |
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Originally Posted By odiedodi: The 4090 cooled itself by being a massive heatsink brick. The cooling design is the one area that Nvidia should get a massive W on, and it's a shame because it looked like many of the aftermarket options still went the massive brick route (Although, I'm not sure how much of the FE design is patented and whether or not they're willing to share with the aftermarket). If you have the space for it, having a massive brick isn't necessarily a problem (In fact, I fully expect aftermarket cards to have better thermals), but I certainly don't have the space for it. Yea, space is an issue. I like the FE design but Im not sure it will be a plug and play with what I currently have. |
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Originally Posted By snakes19: The performance uplift is minimal once you factor in the increased cost and power draw over the 4090. Other than the admittedly very impressive 2 slot cooler this seems like a miss at least at the price. If it was the same cost as the 4090 it would be a different story. Really curious to see how the 5080 does since it is half the card as the 5090 on paper. Yeah i definitely called that. The 5090 might end up 10-20% better over the 4090 depending on the sim or game and much better using some very specific applications. I am skipping and will invest in a new i9 setup. |
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Originally Posted By Archtaan: The modern games that are coming out are very hard on older graphics cards, especially with 8gb of ram. A good example is Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. Thats a very GPU demanding game. A 2080 Super with Medium setting/RT on in 1440p struggle to hit 60fps during some of the gameplay during testing, but needs 16gb of vram for full RT. Hell, that game recommends a 4090 to play in ultra settings 4k 60fps. But for most games, a 2080 is still GTG. Its just whats coming up now and in the future that may be an issue. Originally Posted By Archtaan: Originally Posted By CFletch: I can run all the games in my steam library at 120fps with ray-tracing on my 2560x1440 monitor without issues or overheating using my 2080 Super in a high-airflow case. Are there any games coming out that really need much more than that? I have never noticed any improvement with graphics above 2560x1440 or faster than 120fps. The modern games that are coming out are very hard on older graphics cards, especially with 8gb of ram. A good example is Indiana Jones and the Great Circle. Thats a very GPU demanding game. A 2080 Super with Medium setting/RT on in 1440p struggle to hit 60fps during some of the gameplay during testing, but needs 16gb of vram for full RT. Hell, that game recommends a 4090 to play in ultra settings 4k 60fps. But for most games, a 2080 is still GTG. Its just whats coming up now and in the future that may be an issue. I am still running two 2080Ti's with NVLink and have not got a game I could not play with average or better performance. |
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Originally Posted By Skoal7: Why are Gamers Nexus and Debauer giving Nvidia a "win" in their review? Neither shoved the 600 watt eatin beast into a case to see how bad it thermal throttled from eating 600 watts. Because that wouldn't be an equal comparison to all of their other test bench data. |
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Originally Posted By buckstrucks: Because that wouldn't be an equal comparison to all of their other test bench data. But it eats 600 watts. Gen 5 pcie can suck 600 watts straight from the socket withOUT the external plug. They didn't even leave off the external plug to see if the Gen 5 socket could even feed it. |
Hardware Unboxed review of the MSI RTX 5090 Suprim SOC. First AIB review I've seen. MSI RTX 5090 Suprim SOC Review, Biggest Graphics Card We've Ever Seen! Card pulls over 750w. MSI's air cooler does a great job cooling both the gpu and memory but it's massive. I'm interested again 
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Originally Posted By odiedodi: Microcenter has NO founders edition cards. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5de2TcW1OQThey might as well not even exist then. Pretty sure best buy got exclusive rights to sell FE cards dating back with the 3000 series. |
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Originally Posted By JustinU235: I have "Hot Stock" autobuy set up for a 5080 FE on best buy. Hoping it works. Going to drive past Best Buy this weekend to see if people are already setting up camping spots. Weather at least is turning somewhat more mild for them. |
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Originally Posted By Ayada: Going to drive past Best Buy this weekend to see if people are already setting up camping spots. Weather at least is turning somewhat more mild for them. I'm arranging my calendar to go stand in line at one of the GA Microcenters as well. I don't want to camp, but I'm willing to get there super early. |
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Originally Posted By Jakezor: So anyone see anything about AMD's 9000 series GPUs yet? Delayed to March because they are waiting for reviewers to debunk Nvidia's performance claims and to get FSR4 in a better place. Some believe that also means they are jacking the prices up a bit. Lot of people were expecting a <$500 price point but I think $549 RX9070XT and $479 RX9070 was more likely before we got Nvidia's numbers. I'm thinking we will likely see $599 and $499 at best but it would be funny if AMD launches their cards at their "regular" pricing and makes Nvidia drop prices quickly after launch. At 4k RX9070XT appears to be between 7900XTX and 7900XT while the RX9070 seems to be between a 7900XT and 7900GRE. Quite a few cases they match the higher end of that spectrum and a few worst cases match the bottom end. RT seems to follow a similar trend with RX9070XT matching or beating the 7900XTX in most cases with the RX9070 doing the same to the 7900XT, even a few times getting close to 7900XTX. RX9070XT matches up well against the RTX4080 while the RX9070 does quite well against the RTX4070Ti Super. Assuming from Nvidia's bar charts that RTX5070 = ~RTX4070Ti and RTX5070Ti = ~RTX4080, AMD is in fine shape depending on price and power. Power, I'm hoping to see the RX9070 @ ~200w and the RX9070XT @ ~250-275w but that is probably too optimistic. Supposed Internal AMD testing of N48 Edit- I really need to upgrade from my 5700XT and would love a Red Devil RX9070XT but I think price/performance will push me to a RX9070. |
 Did Nvidia Lie about The RTX 5090 Performance? Clowning on Nvidia marketing is a time old tradition. And then everyone buys it anyways. 
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Thinking of a new ITX build, in a Fractal Era 2. It's been so long since the last build, I'm clueless. I wanr fairly powerful, but prioritizing quiet, small, and simple over max performance and a neon colored radiator juice. I need to catch up. Beware of the Founder's Edition 5090, which is advertised as a good card for such a system. It dumps all of its heat directly into the case. That was not true of the 4090 Founder's Edition. It is also likely none of the AIB 5090 cards will fit, with the possible exception of the MSI Ventus (I haven't looked but it is the smallest AIB card). As such, you may be better of with the 5080 that has not yet had its review embargo lifted. Another option would be undervolting the 5090 Founder's, but it is hard to pay so much and leave performance on the table. |
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Originally Posted By CavScout: Yeah i definitely called that. The 5090 might end up 10-20% better over the 4090 depending on the sim or game and much better using some very specific applications. I am skipping and will invest in a new i9 setup. Originally Posted By CavScout: Originally Posted By snakes19: The performance uplift is minimal once you factor in the increased cost and power draw over the 4090. Other than the admittedly very impressive 2 slot cooler this seems like a miss at least at the price. If it was the same cost as the 4090 it would be a different story. Really curious to see how the 5080 does since it is half the card as the 5090 on paper. Yeah i definitely called that. The 5090 might end up 10-20% better over the 4090 depending on the sim or game and much better using some very specific applications. I am skipping and will invest in a new i9 setup. Why would you go with an i9 now? FYI the new AMD CPUs are better in almost every category. Especially power draw since you mention it. |
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Originally Posted By Rebel31: The generation over generation increase in performance is pretty good (Jay said ~35% across the games they tested) and of course will vary more or less based on the game. The biggest issue is the $500 MSRP price jump over the 4090, and for those who already have a 4090 it's probably not worth taking the hit unless you just don't care and want the latest high end card. For those on 30XX series and wanting to go 4k there is obviously nothing better. I really wish the 5080 had 24 gigs of VRAM Based on comments so far I am not impressed with the multi-frame gen, and the latency it ads. I mostly play FPS online with some MSFS mixed in. Adding latency to an online FPS is no bueno. What you're really missing is the x90's for the past few generations were really aimed at the "prosumer" for productivity apps and now AI apps. The delta was small with the 3080/3090, a bit larger with the 4080/4090, and even more so IIRC between the 5080/5090. It seems like Nvidia wants to push folks that might get by with an 80 series to the 5090. |
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Originally Posted By Gator: What you're really missing is the x90's for the past few generations were really aimed at the "prosumer" for productivity apps and now AI apps. The delta was small with the 3080/3090, a bit larger with the 4080/4090, and even more so IIRC between the 5080/5090. It seems like Nvidia wants to push folks that might get by with an 80 series to the 5090. 30x0 and 40x0 definitely pushed the high end pc market to prefer the x090 cards. 30x0 supply was a shit show and even though the MSRP of the 3080 was 'half' of the 3090 the actual supply from retailers was often within striking distance of a 3090 and at that point if you are already spending $1.5k... you might as well get the 3090. 40x0 continued that trend but on a more official level. With the price delta being a few hundred dollars and consumers already 'used' to spending $1600 a gpu anyways (Thanks 3080ti) the 4090 was kind of a shoe in. The 4080 Super didn't really move the needle much in that impression. Too little too late? 50x0 is really where the price delta might make a difference, assuming the partners don't fuck up the prices and we once again see a $1000 card become $1600. Assuming a 2x the price delta for less than 2x the performance and it's going to be harder for the run of the mill person to justify the 5090. Then again, as I type that out: Who am I kidding? Of course we'll see $1600 5080s. |
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Originally Posted By FLAJD11: Beware of the Founder's Edition 5090, which is advertised as a good card for such a system. It dumps all of its heat directly into the case. That was not true of the 4090 Founder's Edition. It is also likely none of the AIB 5090 cards will fit, with the possible exception of the MSI Ventus (I haven't looked but it is the smallest AIB card). As such, you may be better of with the 5080 that has not yet had its review embargo lifted. Another option would be undervolting the 5090 Founder's, but it is hard to pay so much and leave performance on the table. Originally Posted By FLAJD11: Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Thinking of a new ITX build, in a Fractal Era 2. It's been so long since the last build, I'm clueless. I wanr fairly powerful, but prioritizing quiet, small, and simple over max performance and a neon colored radiator juice. I need to catch up. Beware of the Founder's Edition 5090, which is advertised as a good card for such a system. It dumps all of its heat directly into the case. That was not true of the 4090 Founder's Edition. It is also likely none of the AIB 5090 cards will fit, with the possible exception of the MSI Ventus (I haven't looked but it is the smallest AIB card). As such, you may be better of with the 5080 that has not yet had its review embargo lifted. Another option would be undervolting the 5090 Founder's, but it is hard to pay so much and leave performance on the table. Meh The one fan of the two fans in the 3000/4000 series was already doing that and the 2nd fan closer to the IO/back was maybe pushing a quarter of its air out the back of the GPU. It's not like it was dumping all that hot air out the back. |
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Originally Posted By Dam17er: Card pulls over 750w. MSI's air cooler does a great job cooling both the gpu and memory but it's massive. I'm interested again It can pull more watts than the maximum rating of the cable? What could go wrong. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By MeatBag: It can pull more watts than the maximum rating of the cable? What could go wrong. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/th-463.jpg The PCI slot is also rated for 75w in addition to the 600w cable, but I was curious myself about the total of 750w myself and how it is achieved. |
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