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Originally Posted By flyhack72: Just so you know, the Argo was used by Jason. The ship used by Odysseus did not have a name. However, if it were to have a name, he would have called it “Jenny” Originally Posted By flyhack72: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: I disliked lots of other things more. Making Odysseus a bitch, excusing Calypso drugging and raping him for years, having Helen and her half sister played by the same person was incredibly stupid (and lots of people didn't even realize they were two different people), corrupting Zeus's law to mean that people can show up at your home and take what they like and you can't do anything about it unless they physically attack you (I wonder what the message is there), making Odysseus tricking the Trojans such an egregious violation of Zeus's law that the fabric of civilization is unravelling but kidnapping a guy's wife while you're his guest is fine, the 7th century Danish longboat for the Argo (when there's already a replica of the Argo much closer) and so many more things. Add the gloomy colour grading, the terrible audio mix and the choppy editing (the latter two caused directly by the decision to film on IMAX) and it's a mess. Even the author of the super-woke translation he based it on hates it. Just so you know, the Argo was used by Jason. The ship used by Odysseus did not have a name. However, if it were to have a name, he would have called it “Jenny” Yep, brainfart on my part - the ship available in the med is a replica of Argo which would be vastly more appropriate than the ship that they used. |
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Originally Posted By hhsmiley: In fairness it was really only a couple of retards saying that kind of crap. Crazies be everywhere, yo. Originally Posted By hhsmiley: Originally Posted By Hesperus: A recent thread about the shoot down of a Su-35 by an F-16 was a textbook example of this. The mental gymnastics of saying that donating worn the fuck out European Vipers was somehow a giant fleecing of the American taxpayer was quite impressive. In fairness it was really only a couple of retards saying that kind of crap. Crazies be everywhere, yo. The retards are loud, and persistent. That does seem to impact perception of their numbers, especially when there's little pushback. |
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Originally Posted By bigfatOTMs: To reiterate, you have to be out of your mind to think that this movie needs to be the bestselling R-rated movie of all time ($1.2-1.6 billion relative to Deadpool 3's $1.3 billion) to simply break even. Regardless of what AI slop says based on sources that weren't involved in the production, no one would have ever funded that, not even for Nolan. Please stop parroting that ridiculous stat. It's not real no matter how much it satisfies your confirmation bias. Deadpool 3 is a good example of how Hollywood lies about budgets. They claimed 200m + 100m marketing. However to get the tax rebates for the work done in the UK they had to submit detailed accounts and it was 533m EXCLUDING marketing, so probably well over 600m. Without the 120m tax rebate Deadpool 3 would have barely broke even at the box office. |
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Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Deadpool 3 is a good example of how Hollywood lies about budgets. They claimed 200m + 100m marketing. However to claim the tax rebates for filming it in the UK they had to submit detailed accounts and it was 533m EXCLUDING marketing, so probably well over 600m. Deadpool 3 barely broke even at the box office (or maybe didn't, depending on the geographical breakdown of that total). Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By bigfatOTMs: To reiterate, you have to be out of your mind to think that this movie needs to be the bestselling R-rated movie of all time ($1.2-1.6 billion relative to Deadpool 3's $1.3 billion) to simply break even. Regardless of what AI slop says based on sources that weren't involved in the production, no one would have ever funded that, not even for Nolan. Please stop parroting that ridiculous stat. It's not real no matter how much it satisfies your confirmation bias. Deadpool 3 is a good example of how Hollywood lies about budgets. They claimed 200m + 100m marketing. However to claim the tax rebates for filming it in the UK they had to submit detailed accounts and it was 533m EXCLUDING marketing, so probably well over 600m. Deadpool 3 barely broke even at the box office (or maybe didn't, depending on the geographical breakdown of that total). Theres also a bunch of shell games. Carmel might be able to speak to it better, but lets say MGM spends 50 million on paper plates. Thats a big chunk, but it turns out the paper plate company is a subsidiary of MGM, and therefore they paid themselves. Lots of fuckery going on, but I doubt anyone's going bankrupt soon. |
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So, went to see it today. Mid-day, mid-week. Theater was packed, FWIW. Movie was the best screen adaptation of The Odyssey I've seen, no doubt. Some interesting artistic choices made, but this is probably the wrong place to have that discussion. |
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Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Theres also a bunch of shell games. Carmel might be able to speak to it better, but lets say MGM spends 50 million on paper plates. Thats a big chunk, but it turns out the paper plate company is a subsidiary of MGM, and therefore they paid themselves. Lots of fuckery going on, but I doubt anyone's going bankrupt soon. Its pretty well known for a long time Many methods used to hide true numbers, long before the woke movies controversy https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/the-big-picture/story/2009-01-05/why-everyone-lies-about-their-movies-budget   Also, for the record I agree with your premise that we remember the better films of the past and forget that 90% of films even during the good old days were not particularly good, I just took issue that the exact same % remains the same in 2026 1984 had an especially good year for films but not every 1980s film was a masterpiece and not every 1980s song was a hit for the ages. I’m just arguing the specific % of good films and music of today is even smaller than the already small % from back during the good old days. You still get hot women today for example but they’re way outnumbered by obese women these days to use an overly simplistic example. Back in the 1980s not every chick was stunning but very few were obese. Anyway you’re right on both accounts, most films are lackluster and mediocre for any era and Hollywood has a well established long history of playing with film budget numbers {and marketing expenses} Man, my spelling and grammar sucks. Had to edit to make my reply halfway readable |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Its pretty well known for a long time Many methods used to hide true numbers, long before the woke movies controversy https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/the-big-picture/story/2009-01-05/why-everyone-lies-about-their-movies-budget https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7115-3806678.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7116-3806679.jpg Also, for the record I agree with your premise that we remember the better films of the past and forget that 90% of films even during the good old days were not particularly good, I just took issue that the exact same % remains the same in 2026 1984 had an especially good year for films but not every 1980s film was a masterpiece and not every 1980s song was a hit for the ages. I’m just arguing the specific % of good films and music of today is even smaller than the already small % from back during the good old days. You still get hot women today for example but they’re way outnumbered by obese women these days to use an overly simplistic example. Back in the 1980s not every chick was stunning but very few were obese. Anyway you’re right on both accounts, most films are lackluster and mediocre for any era and Hollywood has a well established long history of playing with film budget numbers {and marketing expenses} Man, my spelling and grammar sucks. Had to edit to make my reply halfway readable Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Theres also a bunch of shell games. Carmel might be able to speak to it better, but lets say MGM spends 50 million on paper plates. Thats a big chunk, but it turns out the paper plate company is a subsidiary of MGM, and therefore they paid themselves. Lots of fuckery going on, but I doubt anyone's going bankrupt soon. Its pretty well known for a long time Many methods used to hide true numbers, long before the woke movies controversy https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/the-big-picture/story/2009-01-05/why-everyone-lies-about-their-movies-budget https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7115-3806678.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7116-3806679.jpg Also, for the record I agree with your premise that we remember the better films of the past and forget that 90% of films even during the good old days were not particularly good, I just took issue that the exact same % remains the same in 2026 1984 had an especially good year for films but not every 1980s film was a masterpiece and not every 1980s song was a hit for the ages. I’m just arguing the specific % of good films and music of today is even smaller than the already small % from back during the good old days. You still get hot women today for example but they’re way outnumbered by obese women these days to use an overly simplistic example. Back in the 1980s not every chick was stunning but very few were obese. Anyway you’re right on both accounts, most films are lackluster and mediocre for any era and Hollywood has a well established long history of playing with film budget numbers {and marketing expenses} Man, my spelling and grammar sucks. Had to edit to make my reply halfway readable Agree with all that. The overall good/great films of the 80s/90s vastly outnumber todays. Plus wokeness/politics have basically killed comedies. We're up to seeing 4 movies in theaters this year, which is the same as the last 5 years combined. With some of the recent trailers im optimistic we can get at least some quality back, and some of the BS will subside. Arguing whether a movie sucked is also a welcome return to normalcy, and I prefer it over "everything sucks". I know my nephews love movies that I think were meh, and they'll look back at them the way I look back at the 90s films. |
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Originally Posted By crazed_ss: I feel like this will be a hit on blu ray. If only because people with full home theater systems will want the disc to really display the performance of their audio setups and 4k OLED TVs. This is the exact kind of movie buy physical media for.  The freakin' depth of field was only single-digit inches for up close conversations!  Jan Harlan, Stanley Kubrick’s Executive Producer, talks about the famous ZEISS Planar 0.7/50mm  f0.7 – Ultrafast Lenses – Legends, budget options, modding, and testing – Epic Episode #13 |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: So, went to see it today. Mid-day, mid-week. Theater was packed, FWIW. Movie was the best screen adaptation of The Odyssey I've seen, no doubt. Some interesting artistic choices made, but this is probably the wrong place to have that discussion. |
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Originally Posted By crazed_ss: I feel like this will be a hit on blu ray. If only because people with full home theater systems will want the disc to really display the performance of their audio setups and 4k OLED TVs. This is the exact kind of movie buy physical media for. The audio was awful. The digital processing to remove the noise of the IMAX cameras really fucked it up. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Despite Spider Man earning a mind blowing $927 million worldwide The Odyssey earnes $51 million domestic / $136 million worldwide im its 3rd weekend Covering breakeven Not a fan of the movie but it’s not a flop And hollywood will cheer and be more obnoxious. |
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Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Its pretty well known for a long time Many methods used to hide true numbers, long before the woke movies controversy https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/the-big-picture/story/2009-01-05/why-everyone-lies-about-their-movies-budget https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7115-3806678.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7116-3806679.jpg Also, for the record I agree with your premise that we remember the better films of the past and forget that 90% of films even during the good old days were not particularly good, I just took issue that the exact same % remains the same in 2026 1984 had an especially good year for films but not every 1980s film was a masterpiece and not every 1980s song was a hit for the ages. I’m just arguing the specific % of good films and music of today is even smaller than the already small % from back during the good old days. You still get hot women today for example but they’re way outnumbered by obese women these days to use an overly simplistic example. Back in the 1980s not every chick was stunning but very few were obese. Anyway you’re right on both accounts, most films are lackluster and mediocre for any era and Hollywood has a well established long history of playing with film budget numbers {and marketing expenses} Man, my spelling and grammar sucks. Had to edit to make my reply halfway readable Originally Posted By CarmelBytheSea: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Theres also a bunch of shell games. Carmel might be able to speak to it better, but lets say MGM spends 50 million on paper plates. Thats a big chunk, but it turns out the paper plate company is a subsidiary of MGM, and therefore they paid themselves. Lots of fuckery going on, but I doubt anyone's going bankrupt soon. Its pretty well known for a long time Many methods used to hide true numbers, long before the woke movies controversy https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/the-big-picture/story/2009-01-05/why-everyone-lies-about-their-movies-budget https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7115-3806678.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/IMG_7116-3806679.jpg Also, for the record I agree with your premise that we remember the better films of the past and forget that 90% of films even during the good old days were not particularly good, I just took issue that the exact same % remains the same in 2026 1984 had an especially good year for films but not every 1980s film was a masterpiece and not every 1980s song was a hit for the ages. I’m just arguing the specific % of good films and music of today is even smaller than the already small % from back during the good old days. You still get hot women today for example but they’re way outnumbered by obese women these days to use an overly simplistic example. Back in the 1980s not every chick was stunning but very few were obese. Anyway you’re right on both accounts, most films are lackluster and mediocre for any era and Hollywood has a well established long history of playing with film budget numbers {and marketing expenses} Man, my spelling and grammar sucks. Had to edit to make my reply halfway readable I have heard (IIRC it may have been a rob schneider interview?) that lying on numbers and such is basically THE hollywood tradition, since the very start - reportedly they moved to cali to get as far away from eidison as they possibly could to avoid paying him royalties or something like that due to the hold he had on some technical aspects or something like that. I never went and looked to verify it, but man, it fits. |
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Originally Posted By SurfinBrass: Nolan ridiculously going 100% IMAX FOR ALL LIGHT CONDITIONS reminds me of the "Barry Lyndon" story of Kubrick going to the insane lengths for a Zeiss/NASA moon mission f/0.7 lens for the Mitchell BNC 35 for the candlelit scenes. . . The freakin' depth of field was only single-digit inches for up close conversations!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rZTrZwmMJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5E7iXxeQEOriginally Posted By SurfinBrass: Originally Posted By crazed_ss: I feel like this will be a hit on blu ray. If only because people with full home theater systems will want the disc to really display the performance of their audio setups and 4k OLED TVs. This is the exact kind of movie buy physical media for. The freakin' depth of field was only single-digit inches for up close conversations! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rZTrZwmMJ0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p5E7iXxeQEYou should see the UHD BD of demille's ben hur, shot on 65mm, played on a properly calibrated screen with all the settings done right. It's something else. Click To View Spoiler  Why Ben-Hur Still Looks Like a Trillion Bucks ASA 25. Just WILD light requirements. They had to have been SWEATING their butts off. |
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Originally Posted By lygxis: You should see the UHD BD of demille's ben hur, shot on 65mm, played on a properly calibrated screen with all the settings done right. It's something else. Click To View Spoiler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXcG5ziX_vYASA 25. Just WILD light requirements. They had to have been SWEATING their butts off. I see there is a 162gb uncompressed torrent of the 2026 WBros. digital remastering released on 4K Ultra. That's insane. There's also a 7gb version, I'll grab that. Thanks for the reminder. |
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Originally Posted By bigfatOTMs: Crossed a billion and will be Nolan's bestselling movie of all time. Shame it's a financial flop.  Nolan is in full-blown panic mode! |
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Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Agree with all that. The overall good/great films of the 80s/90s vastly outnumber todays. Plus wokeness/politics have basically killed comedies. We're up to seeing 4 movies in theaters this year, which is the same as the last 5 years combined. With some of the recent trailers im optimistic we can get at least some quality back, and some of the BS will subside. Arguing whether a movie sucked is also a welcome return to normalcy, and I prefer it over "everything sucks". I know my nephews love movies that I think were meh, and they'll look back at them the way I look back at the 90s films. Woke has killed everything. And DEI looks like it's some religious belief system for Hollywood now. |
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Originally Posted By Clemson_John: Watched it yesterday. It was a good movie. Black Helen and tranny soldier were such inconsequential parts of the movie that it didn't even matter. Yep, their parts added to low single digit minutes of screen time. I rationalized Page (Sinon) as a malnourished male of the time.  |
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Originally Posted By Clemson_John: Watched it yesterday. It was a good movie. Black Helen and tranny soldier were such inconsequential parts of the movie that it didn't even matter. I went into it ready to not like it because of the woke moments. I grew up reading everything I could about Greek mythology and saw the Kirk Douglas version in a theater in 1954 (yeah, I'm that old.) I did like the Armand Assante TV version too. That said, I did enjoy Nolan's film, but still found myself disappointed in some of the unnecessary and pandering casting choices. |
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Originally Posted By Strela: I went into it ready to not like it because of the woke moments. I grew up reading everything I could about Greek mythology and saw the Kirk Douglas version in a theater in 1954 (yeah, I'm that old.) I did like the Armand Assante TV version too. That said, I did enjoy Nolan's film, but still found myself disappointed in some of the unnecessary and pandering casting choices. He's also boxed in with the RAISE requirements. He's pushing a script for the Academy's sensibility. I DO think he tried to find some balance between the story and feeding the progressive beast. From my perspective, what is most interesting was using 15-perf IMAX film for the ENTIRE FREAKIN' SHOOT. Anyone understanding production film . . .that is close to eclectic neurotic insanity in that it is utterly a waste of the great effort with that rig in very low light scenes. Goofy ridiculous. But again, he's willing to get sloppy and sticky on his knees with the Academy with the claim as the first 100% IMAX film. |
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Originally Posted By Kihn: Woke has killed everything. And DEI looks like it's some religious belief system for Hollywood now. Originally Posted By Kihn: Originally Posted By 0311SKI: Agree with all that. The overall good/great films of the 80s/90s vastly outnumber todays. Plus wokeness/politics have basically killed comedies. We're up to seeing 4 movies in theaters this year, which is the same as the last 5 years combined. With some of the recent trailers im optimistic we can get at least some quality back, and some of the BS will subside. Arguing whether a movie sucked is also a welcome return to normalcy, and I prefer it over "everything sucks". I know my nephews love movies that I think were meh, and they'll look back at them the way I look back at the 90s films. Woke has killed everything. And DEI looks like it's some religious belief system for Hollywood now. It’s definitely orthodoxy now but also baked into the system now if you want to win awards. |
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Originally Posted By CameToTruth: The Odyssey is my favorite book. There's absolutely no chance I'm going to watch this movie being that it's based on some angry lesbians absolutely terrible translation. Ellen page and some ugly black chick are the icing on the cake as far as that goes. Just terrible. Nolan should feel bad. The movie might overall be good but it could've been epic. It should have been. What a disappointment. |
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Originally Posted By Clemson_John: Watched it yesterday. It was a good movie. Black Helen and tranny soldier were such inconsequential parts of the movie that it didn't even matter. My take on it as well. The film actually kept me intrigued (been having that issue as of late with films). |
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Originally Posted By CameToTruth: The Odyssey is my favorite book. There's absolutely no chance I'm going to watch this movie being that it's based on some angry lesbians absolutely terrible translation. Ellen page and some ugly black chick are the icing on the cake as far as that goes. Just terrible. Nolan should feel bad. The movie might overall be good but it could've been epic. It should have been. What a disappointment. Funny because her take on his version of it wasn't favorable eitherlmao |
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Originally Posted By SurfinBrass: Yep, their parts added to low single digit minutes of screen time. I rationalized Page (Sinon) as a malnourished male of the time. Originally Posted By SurfinBrass: Originally Posted By Clemson_John: Watched it yesterday. It was a good movie. Black Helen and tranny soldier were such inconsequential parts of the movie that it didn't even matter. Yep, their parts added to low single digit minutes of screen time. I rationalized Page (Sinon) as a malnourished male of the time. Does Page get killed? It will eventually come out on Showtime or HBO and I will look at it then.....aside from some of the casting choices, one thing from the previews that didn't make sense was making the Laestrygonians into giant rejects from Excalibur.........man eating giants wearing medieval looking armor is weird |
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Originally Posted By cyclone: Does Page get killed? It will eventually come out on Showtime or HBO and I will look at it then.....aside from some of the casting choices, one thing from the previews that didn't make sense was making the Laestrygonians into giant rejects from Excalibur.........man eating giants wearing medieval looking armor is weird Originally Posted By cyclone: Originally Posted By SurfinBrass: Originally Posted By Clemson_John: Watched it yesterday. It was a good movie. Black Helen and tranny soldier were such inconsequential parts of the movie that it didn't even matter. Yep, their parts added to low single digit minutes of screen time. I rationalized Page (Sinon) as a malnourished male of the time. Does Page get killed? It will eventually come out on Showtime or HBO and I will look at it then.....aside from some of the casting choices, one thing from the previews that didn't make sense was making the Laestrygonians into giant rejects from Excalibur.........man eating giants wearing medieval looking armor is weird She gets killed, and the casting makes sense in that she was supposed to be one of the youngest soldiers, honestly easier to pull off with a woman on T. The wild anachronistic costume choices took me a while, but it started to remind me of the medieval passion plays, and I think it grew on me. These are timeless myths, and the borrowing a character completely from Virgil, and then changing it up, was his way of putting his own stamp on it as well. My main beef with the Laestrygonians scene was everything felt rushed for no reason. Other scenes as well. Seems more could have been done to convey the passage of time, both at sea and on land. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: She gets killed, and the casting makes sense in that she was supposed to be one of the youngest soldiers, honestly easier to pull off with a woman on T. The wild anachronistic costume choices took me a while, but it started to remind me of the medieval passion plays, and I think it grew on me. These are timeless myths, and the borrowing a character completely from Virgil, and then changing it up, was his way of putting his own stamp on it as well. My main beef with the Laestrygonians scene was everything felt rushed for no reason. Other scenes as well. Seems more could have been done to convey the passage of time, both at sea and on land. |
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Originally Posted By PacNW5: Just saw that it opened in China this weekend. Now at $1.3B worldwide cumulative. It's good to hear that Nolan finally broke even.  When dealing in the hundreds of millions of dollars, I have no doubt every variable is weighted and considered. |
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It's now officially the bestselling R-rated movie of all time. It's also Nolan's bestselling movie of all time. Crazy that it still hasn't made any money yet! https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2026/8/19/the-odyssey-is-now-the-biggest-r-rated-movie-of-all-time Will all of you posting in this thread about how terrible the movie was going to sell, that Nolan was scared to pre-screen it, etc. come back in and admit you were wrong? |
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Originally Posted By 1975: Screenings cancelled except for "approved" critics https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259519/IMG_9121_jpeg-3791673.JPG Christopher Nolan is in hot water for choices he made regarding his upcoming movie. The Academy Award-winning director is receiving backlash for many of his decisions in the making of the film, including casting choices, historical inaccuracies throughout and use of modern dialogue. "Christopher Nolan has cancelled all screenings of The Odyssey with movie influencers," one X user wrote. "He is only allowing approved critics to see it in advance. He is waving the surrender flag. They know they have a financial disaster on their hands." Much of the criticism comes from his choice to cast Lupita Nyong'o as Helen of Troy, as Homer describes the character as having "white arms" in the book. Social media users have pointed out that Nyong'o's African roots and darker complexion contradict this description of the character. Also causing controversy, is his decision to cast transgender actor Elliot Page as Sinus, a great warrior who fought alongside Odysseus during the Trojan War, as well as rapper Travis Scott as an unknown male character in the epic tale. "All Christopher Nolan had to do was deliver a visually stunning take on a classic — and he’d have had a huge hit," one X user wrote. "Instead, he decided to ruin it with questionable modifications. Some say he bowed to the woke crowd. Others say he is the woke crowd and was trying to make a statement. Regardless… go woke, go broke." "I was ready to pay for Chris Nolan’s ‘The Odyssey’ the second I heard about it. Then the casting dropped," another user wrote. "And just like that, I knew he’s no longer a serious filmmaker. Because if he were, he wouldn’t let diversity mandates destroy his work… he blackified crucial Greek characters on purpose… I won’t be paying to see it." Elon Musk even got in on the action, commenting, "how pathetic," of the original post. Others have taken issue with the fact that no actors of Greek or Mediterranean descent were cast in the film. "I’m very supportive of Chris’s intention with it and with the version of this story that he is telling. Our cast is representative of the world. I’m not spending my time thinking of a defense. The criticism will exist whether I engage with it or not," Nyong'o told Elle in May in defense of the film. "It’s quite something to be a part of 'The Odyssey,' because it is so grand. It spans worlds. So that’s why the cast is what it is. We’re occupying the epic narrative of our time." Nolan responded to the criticism surrounding his decision to cast Scott, telling Time magazine in May he cast him because he wanted to pay tribute to "the idea that this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rap." He later spoke about his process when taking on a story that audiences are already very familiar with on Amy Poehler's podcast, "Good Hang," saying he realized while making the "Batman" trilogy that "what people want from you is your most sincere attempt to do justice to the material," but that it also "has to be your own interpretation." "Certainly, I, as a filmmaker, respond to that in other people," he said. "If I go see a movie and I realize that people have loved this and have really tried to give you an experience and tried to put something across in the way that they really believe is great, uh, I think people cut you a lot of slack for that cuz yes, you cannot compete with people's own imaginings when they read a text." Others were able to look past the casting, but took issue with the many historical inaccuracies in the film, with one X user pointing out the style of Damon's helmet and armor were incorrect for the time period, with another saying, "Period armor is more Roman than Greece." "Nolan makes utterly bizarre, anachronistic, ahistorical, aesthetic choices for his 'Odyssey,' comic book armor, viking ships, diverse cast," one X users wrote. "If he's playing this fast and loose with history, material culture, ethnography, etc... what're the odds he isn't monkeying with the myth?" "I agree about bad casting, but the choice to use modern language in the dialogue is the most egregious problem," one X user wrote. "Why on earth did Nolan think that was a good idea?" One particular example of the use of modern dialogue, is when Tom Holland, who plays Telemachus, the son of Odysseus, refers to his father as dad. While many were upset by multiple aspects of the film, others were not as bothered by the inaccuracies in casting, dialogue or costumes. "Despite all the controversy, I’m going to watch The Odyssey," one X user wrote. "I love Homer’s works. I’m curious to see what Christopher Nolan does with them." Another added, "Nolan wanted to do Odyssey, so he did it. Oppenheimer was great art? Why does it require ‘value’ to be made, all art is the artist’s interpretation in itself." The movie, also starring Zendaya as Athena, Matt Damon as Odysseus, Anne Hathaway as Penelope, Charlize Theron as Calypso and many other big stars, is set to premiere in theaters on Friday, July 17. They cast a black woman as Helen of Troy…???? |
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Originally Posted By jcrone2: They cast a black woman as Helen of Troy…???? Originally Posted By jcrone2: Originally Posted By 1975: Screenings cancelled except for "approved" critics https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259519/IMG_9121_jpeg-3791673.JPG Christopher Nolan is in hot water for choices he made regarding his upcoming movie. The Academy Award-winning director is receiving backlash for many of his decisions in the making of the film, including casting choices, historical inaccuracies throughout and use of modern dialogue. "Christopher Nolan has cancelled all screenings of The Odyssey with movie influencers," one X user wrote. "He is only allowing approved critics to see it in advance. He is waving the surrender flag. They know they have a financial disaster on their hands." Much of the criticism comes from his choice to cast Lupita Nyong'o as Helen of Troy, as Homer describes the character as having "white arms" in the book. Social media users have pointed out that Nyong'o's African roots and darker complexion contradict this description of the character. Also causing controversy, is his decision to cast transgender actor Elliot Page as Sinus, a great warrior who fought alongside Odysseus during the Trojan War, as well as rapper Travis Scott as an unknown male character in the epic tale. "All Christopher Nolan had to do was deliver a visually stunning take on a classic — and he’d have had a huge hit," one X user wrote. "Instead, he decided to ruin it with questionable modifications. Some say he bowed to the woke crowd. Others say he is the woke crowd and was trying to make a statement. Regardless… go woke, go broke." "I was ready to pay for Chris Nolan’s ‘The Odyssey’ the second I heard about it. Then the casting dropped," another user wrote. "And just like that, I knew he’s no longer a serious filmmaker. Because if he were, he wouldn’t let diversity mandates destroy his work… he blackified crucial Greek characters on purpose… I won’t be paying to see it." Elon Musk even got in on the action, commenting, "how pathetic," of the original post. Others have taken issue with the fact that no actors of Greek or Mediterranean descent were cast in the film. "I’m very supportive of Chris’s intention with it and with the version of this story that he is telling. Our cast is representative of the world. I’m not spending my time thinking of a defense. The criticism will exist whether I engage with it or not," Nyong'o told Elle in May in defense of the film. "It’s quite something to be a part of 'The Odyssey,' because it is so grand. It spans worlds. So that’s why the cast is what it is. We’re occupying the epic narrative of our time." Nolan responded to the criticism surrounding his decision to cast Scott, telling Time magazine in May he cast him because he wanted to pay tribute to "the idea that this story has been handed down as oral poetry, which is analogous to rap." He later spoke about his process when taking on a story that audiences are already very familiar with on Amy Poehler's podcast, "Good Hang," saying he realized while making the "Batman" trilogy that "what people want from you is your most sincere attempt to do justice to the material," but that it also "has to be your own interpretation." "Certainly, I, as a filmmaker, respond to that in other people," he said. "If I go see a movie and I realize that people have loved this and have really tried to give you an experience and tried to put something across in the way that they really believe is great, uh, I think people cut you a lot of slack for that cuz yes, you cannot compete with people's own imaginings when they read a text." Others were able to look past the casting, but took issue with the many historical inaccuracies in the film, with one X user pointing out the style of Damon's helmet and armor were incorrect for the time period, with another saying, "Period armor is more Roman than Greece." "Nolan makes utterly bizarre, anachronistic, ahistorical, aesthetic choices for his 'Odyssey,' comic book armor, viking ships, diverse cast," one X users wrote. "If he's playing this fast and loose with history, material culture, ethnography, etc... what're the odds he isn't monkeying with the myth?" "I agree about bad casting, but the choice to use modern language in the dialogue is the most egregious problem," one X user wrote. "Why on earth did Nolan think that was a good idea?" One particular example of the use of modern dialogue, is when Tom Holland, who plays Telemachus, the son of Odysseus, refers to his father as dad. While many were upset by multiple aspects of the film, others were not as bothered by the inaccuracies in casting, dialogue or costumes. "Despite all the controversy, I’m going to watch The Odyssey," one X user wrote. "I love Homer’s works. I’m curious to see what Christopher Nolan does with them." Another added, "Nolan wanted to do Odyssey, so he did it. Oppenheimer was great art? Why does it require ‘value’ to be made, all art is the artist’s interpretation in itself." The movie, also starring Zendaya as Athena, Matt Damon as Odysseus, Anne Hathaway as Penelope, Charlize Theron as Calypso and many other big stars, is set to premiere in theaters on Friday, July 17. They cast a black woman as Helen of Troy…???? 
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All the Cool Kids are groovin’ The Return. Much better production values with a true-to-life Odysseus than Nolan’s shit story.  THE RETURN Official Trailer (2024) Ralph Fiennes, Juliette Binoche Movie HD |
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The wife and I went and saw it this past weekend. It was good entertainment but certainly not an all time great. It is very long and at times very loud. Although the theatre we were at may have had the sound jorked up? That being said Agamemnon needs his own movie. He owned every scene he was in! |
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Saw it a couple of nights ago. Really wish it had been about the Bronze Age epic and not PTSD. Really wish the point had been about the truly fulfilling homecoming (as compared to Achilles and Agamemnon) like the actual Odyssey. Really wish the growth arc for Telemachus to eventually fight next to his father and grandfather hadn't been destroyed. Of course, that would've required Laertes to not be summarily dispensed with. Really feels like the omission of the Phaeacians was a huge thumb on the scales given that they are the very epitome of xenia. (And incur its cost direct from the gods.) Decent movie. Very *not* the Odyssey. |
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Originally Posted By Nick_Adams: All the Cool Kids are groovin' The Return. Much better production values with a true-to-life Odysseus than Nolan's shit story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLlcIfmqcPwShit, shit and extra Shit. Plus you see Odysseus full uncircumcised dong. So at least it's historically accurate. |
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Originally Posted By Polupharmakos: Saw it a couple of nights ago. Really wish it had been about the Bronze Age epic and not PTSD. Really wish the point had been about the truly fulfilling homecoming (as compared to Achilles and Agamemnon) like the actual Odyssey. Really wish the growth arc for Telemachus to eventually fight next to his father and grandfather hadn't been destroyed. Of course, that would've required Laertes to not be summarily dispensed with. Really feels like the omission of the Phaeacians was a huge thumb on the scales given that they are the very epitome of xenia. (And incur its cost direct from the gods.) Decent movie. Very *not* the Odyssey. The scene of Father and Son in armor killing without mercy the men who violated their family is one the the most visceral and inspiring in all of Western Literature. But we can't show Western family men, grandpa to grandson, exterminating the invaders of their home, that would be too awkward given our current invasion by foreigners. |
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Originally Posted By MRW: Yes, these are two of the three ultimate issues that the story should tell. The third being the faithfulness and shrewdness of Penelope. Even the shade of Agamemnon in the grave tells Odysseus that Penelope deserves her own song as a heroine. |
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Saw it last weekend. Not as bad as I feared and not as good as I hoped. We saw it in an old old small theater (30 seats and tiny screen) and I think it affected the the quality of the movie. The sound was really off. Super loud special effects and quiet actors. Very annoying. The dark scenes seemed way too dark. Like "what the hell is going on here" dark. I was kind of dissappointed in the cinematography too. I guess I expected wide vista shots taking advantage of Greece's very cool coasts. I could be a grumpy oldish man though. |
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Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam: So, went to see it today. Mid-day, mid-week. Theater was packed, FWIW. Movie was the best screen adaptation of The Odyssey I've seen, no doubt. Some interesting artistic choices made, but this is probably the wrong place to have that discussion. This was my experience yesterday. |
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Originally Posted By MRW: Yes, these are two of the three ultimate issues that the story should tell. The third being the faithfulness and shrewdness of Penelope. Even the shade of Agamemnon in the grave tells Odysseus that Penelope deserves her own song as a heroine. The scene of Father and Son in armor killing without mercy the men who violated their family is one the the most visceral and inspiring in all of Western Literature. But we can't show Western family men, grandpa to grandson, exterminating the invaders of their home, that would be too awkward given our current invasion by foreigners. Originally Posted By MRW: Originally Posted By Polupharmakos: Saw it a couple of nights ago. Really wish it had been about the Bronze Age epic and not PTSD. Really wish the point had been about the truly fulfilling homecoming (as compared to Achilles and Agamemnon) like the actual Odyssey. Really wish the growth arc for Telemachus to eventually fight next to his father and grandfather hadn't been destroyed. Of course, that would've required Laertes to not be summarily dispensed with. Really feels like the omission of the Phaeacians was a huge thumb on the scales given that they are the very epitome of xenia. (And incur its cost direct from the gods.) Decent movie. Very *not* the Odyssey. The scene of Father and Son in armor killing without mercy the men who violated their family is one the the most visceral and inspiring in all of Western Literature. But we can't show Western family men, grandpa to grandson, exterminating the invaders of their home, that would be too awkward given our current invasion by foreigners. Penelope's faithfulness and shrewdness was captured well enough. They showed more than I was expecting in the suitor killing. But, yes, I kept wondering when Telemachus would join in, and expecting him to in one of those classic Hollywood, "I got your back" scenes. |
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Originally Posted By jalcon9: I hate woke hollywood stuff as much as anyone, and with all the news about Ellen Page and all that I swore I'd never see this. I ended up seeing it tonite with some family. Honestly, I thought it was epic. You are so not being invited to the cookout. Not that the crowd in question ever goes outside or seeks out social interaction. But, if they did? You would not be invited. Your first mistake was developing your own opinion based on first-hand experience. Don't you realize there are plenty of YouTubers and X-posters out there to tell you what to think? Really? Shame. |
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Originally Posted By jalcon9: I hate woke hollywood stuff as much as anyone, and with all the news about Ellen Page and all that I swore I'd never see this. I ended up seeing it tonite with some family. Honestly, I thought it was epic. I watched it and can understand, seeing it as a generic Greek tragedy. The 100% IMAX was certainly cool. No CGI was also impressive. But it missed the mark severely in portraying Homer's story and Odysseus' character. |