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Originally Posted By Steamedliver: I'm ready to put the cash down for a Core One L. I've been using AI to help me pick out a Voron kit that'll be comparable or better than the Prusa. Besides AI or YouTube where can I find detailed information on building it. I've got the money, got the space and I can follow directions. I am worried about software, but if I can leverage AI with config files. That tips the balance. ETA: I'm running a 2.4 LDO kit. It came with the clockwork 2 extruder and Revo hotend system. Doing it again, I think I'd go either IDEX (if they get high temp) or Mosquito. I may still switch over to mosquito, since I have all the parts on hand from other printers, and I can then crank the temp up. |
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Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: Make sure you get on the Voron server as well: https://discord.gg/voron ETA: I'm running a 2.4 LDO kit. It came with the clockwork 2 extruder and Revo hotend system. Doing it again, I think I'd go either IDEX (if they get high temp) or Mosquito. I may still switch over to mosquito, since I have all the parts on hand from other printers, and I can then crank the temp up. Heh, glad that Mosquito is still getting some mileage. It's an impressive hotend. Excellent design that has a ton of heat capacity in the heat block and almost no heat bleed to the cold end. Bambu kinda blended the pros of the Mosquito and the pros of the Revo into a single package. Near zero heat bleed and a longitudinal mounted heater cartridge to provide much more effective and efficient heat transfer to help keep MVFR up and weight down. Now thats almost standard design practice. |
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Originally Posted By Steamedliver: Watching some videos and wondering if I have enough disposable time to build a Voron. Or will I buy the kit, get started and have it collect dust for weeks to months. 
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I bought a Sovol Zero. Got it working fine, as expected no issues. Got all the pieces in and I will flash it to main line Klipper soon (ish). If it all fails and goes to shit, I’m only in it for less than $500 and maybe 3 hours of estimated flashing time (the whole process). No where near the cost in money or time of a Voron. Also most likely, not near the alleged quality either. |
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Originally Posted By Steamedliver: I bought a Sovol Zero. Got it working fine, as expected no issues. Got all the pieces in and I will flash it to main line Klipper soon (ish). If it all fails and goes to shit, I'm only in it for less than $500 and maybe 3 hours of estimated flashing time (the whole process). No where near the cost in money or time of a Voron. Also most likely, not near the alleged quality either. |
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Founders edition delayed even further A short update on INDX shipping By Olof Ogland · Bondtech Alright, so this is the e-mail nobody wants to write and nobody wants to read, but here we are. INDX Founders shipments are getting pushed back. Not by a huge amount, but enough that I’d rather tell you now than have you find out by refreshing the tracking page. I’ll explain why, because I think you deserve more than “minor delays due to manufacturing” or whatever the standard line is. The short version: we found some things we want to fix before these units leave the building. The long version is below. What we found In the last few weeks of pre-production testing, a few things showed up that weren’t blocking issues, but were enough that we didn’t want to ship and patch later. Two in particular: Heatbreak temperature is running a little high. Not catastrophically — the printers work — but we’re seeing the heatbreak sit 4–6°C warmer than where we’d like it long-term. That kind of margin matters for filament reliability, especially with the materials we expect people will throw at this thing (PLA in a warm chamber, flexibles, anything heat-sensitive) Lowering it now means fewer heat creep complaints six months in. We’re addressing it with a small tweak to the thermal path. Firmware tweaks. Several. Nothing dramatic, mostly around tool-change reliability edge cases and calibration robustness. The kind of stuff you only catch when a lot of people start using the thing in a lot of different setups, and we’d rather catch as much of it as we can now. None of this is a redesign. The hardware is the hardware. These are the kind of refinements that come out of running a lot of test prints and watching the data carefully. Why we’re not just shipping and patching later Because you’re Founders. You bought into this before anyone else did, and a lot of you have been waiting a long time. The least we can do is make sure the unit that lands on your desk is the one we’re actually proud of, not the one that needs a service bulletin in month three. We’d rather build in good safety margins than have a lot of setups fail later. There’s also a practical angle: hardware tweaks on a passive tool are easy at our end and basically impossible at yours. Once these are out the door, getting you replacement parts means shipping new parts and asking you to do advanced disassembly and reassembly. That’s a worse experience for you and a worse experience for us. Doing it now is the right call. How much delay I’m not gonna give you a date I can’t stand behind. What I can say: • The hardware fixes are in motion now • The firmware work is ongoing in parallel • We’ll communicate a revised shipping window as soon as we have one we trust If you want the absolute latest and most direct updates, the newsletter is your best bet. Discord is where you can discuss things and get additional information. What this doesn’t change The system itself is solid. The induction heating works, the Dynamic Dual Drive does what it should, tool changes are fast, and the dock mechanism is reliable. None of what we’re fixing is a fundamental issue. It’s the difference between “good” and “good enough to put your name on.” I know waiting longer is annoying. I’d be annoyed too. But I’d rather take the small hit now and have you printing on a unit that holds up. We appreciate the patience. We really do. — Olof (and the Bondtech Team) Printed by Steve on a Voron Trident with INDX. On FacebookOn Facebook On XOn X On YouTubeOn YouTube On InstagramOn Instagram Copyright © 2026 Bondtech AB, All rights reserved. Hi, You are on this list because you've purchased a Reservation of the Bondtech INDX Founder's Edition. We use this list only to address you when INDX Founder's actions are required, or vital information is necessary to be conveyed to you. Thank you for your understanding. Our mailing address is: Bondtech AB Kalkstensvaegen 15 Vaernamo 331 44 Sweden Add us to your address book Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list. |
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Originally Posted By Blob: Founders edition delayed even further Originally Posted By Blob: Founders edition delayed even further A short update on INDX shipping By Olof Ogland · Bondtech Alright, so this is the e-mail nobody wants to write and nobody wants to read, but here we are. INDX Founders shipments are getting pushed back. Not by a huge amount, but enough that I’d rather tell you now than have you find out by refreshing the tracking page. I’ll explain why, because I think you deserve more than “minor delays due to manufacturing” or whatever the standard line is. The short version: we found some things we want to fix before these units leave the building. The long version is below. What we found In the last few weeks of pre-production testing, a few things showed up that weren’t blocking issues, but were enough that we didn’t want to ship and patch later. Two in particular: Heatbreak temperature is running a little high. Not catastrophically — the printers work — but we’re seeing the heatbreak sit 4–6°C warmer than where we’d like it long-term. That kind of margin matters for filament reliability, especially with the materials we expect people will throw at this thing (PLA in a warm chamber, flexibles, anything heat-sensitive) Lowering it now means fewer heat creep complaints six months in. We’re addressing it with a small tweak to the thermal path. Firmware tweaks. Several. Nothing dramatic, mostly around tool-change reliability edge cases and calibration robustness. The kind of stuff you only catch when a lot of people start using the thing in a lot of different setups, and we’d rather catch as much of it as we can now. None of this is a redesign. The hardware is the hardware. These are the kind of refinements that come out of running a lot of test prints and watching the data carefully. Why we’re not just shipping and patching later Because you’re Founders. You bought into this before anyone else did, and a lot of you have been waiting a long time. The least we can do is make sure the unit that lands on your desk is the one we’re actually proud of, not the one that needs a service bulletin in month three. We’d rather build in good safety margins than have a lot of setups fail later. There’s also a practical angle: hardware tweaks on a passive tool are easy at our end and basically impossible at yours. Once these are out the door, getting you replacement parts means shipping new parts and asking you to do advanced disassembly and reassembly. That’s a worse experience for you and a worse experience for us. Doing it now is the right call. How much delay I’m not gonna give you a date I can’t stand behind. What I can say: • The hardware fixes are in motion now • The firmware work is ongoing in parallel • We’ll communicate a revised shipping window as soon as we have one we trust If you want the absolute latest and most direct updates, the newsletter is your best bet. Discord is where you can discuss things and get additional information. What this doesn’t change The system itself is solid. The induction heating works, the Dynamic Dual Drive does what it should, tool changes are fast, and the dock mechanism is reliable. None of what we’re fixing is a fundamental issue. It’s the difference between “good” and “good enough to put your name on.” I know waiting longer is annoying. I’d be annoyed too. But I’d rather take the small hit now and have you printing on a unit that holds up. We appreciate the patience. We really do. — Olof (and the Bondtech Team) Printed by Steve on a Voron Trident with INDX. On FacebookOn Facebook On XOn X On YouTubeOn YouTube On InstagramOn Instagram Copyright © 2026 Bondtech AB, All rights reserved. Hi, You are on this list because you've purchased a Reservation of the Bondtech INDX Founder's Edition. We use this list only to address you when INDX Founder's actions are required, or vital information is necessary to be conveyed to you. Thank you for your understanding. Our mailing address is: Bondtech AB Kalkstensvaegen 15 Vaernamo 331 44 Sweden Add us to your address book Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list. At least they're communicating with people, that will probably buy them some good will with some people. On the one hand, delays on a brand new product are inevitable, some just happen to be more in the public eye than others. I'd expect that most of the early buyers for this, will understand that....whether they like the delay or not. On the other hand, you'd think they would've known the heat break temp was running too high, long before now.....unless something else changed that caused the temp to jump. Also, I haven't been following this product release at all.....everything I know about, I've read in one of your threads....so I could be wildly off base with any assumptions I have on it.
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Originally Posted By Tholo: I have been talking myself out of one of those for a while. They have sales, i got it on sale. Got to find time to actually do something like this. Edit. I think it’s the least expensive in dollars and time to get a klipper firmware and orca compatible printer. Correct me if I’m incorrect. |
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Founders edition started shipping a few weeks ago but I don't believe all of them have been delivered. There's been a breaking development: It has come to light that the hardened nozzles bondtech initially advertised as being fully capable of printing abrasive materials are actually not fully hardened, but more like barely even half hard and are woefully incapable of printing carbon fiber or glow material. They admitted this and immediately changed the description on their website from "hardened steel" to "steel." After a week of silence they finally decided to offer an unspecified discount for people to buy the hardened nozzles instead of just shipping them the nozzles they were originally promised.  What a shit company. I'm glad I cancelled my order. |
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Originally Posted By Blob: Founders edition started shipping a few weeks ago but I don't believe all of them have been delivered. There's been a breaking development: It has come to light that the hardened nozzles bondtech initially advertised as being fully capable of printing abrasive materials are actually not fully hardened, but more like barely even half hard and are woefully incapable of printing carbon fiber or glow material. They admitted this and immediately changed the description on their website from "hardened steel" to "steel." After a week of silence they finally decided to offer an unspecified discount for people to buy the hardened nozzles instead of just shipping them the nozzles they were originally promised. What a shit company. I'm glad I cancelled my order. I've also seen stories about the induction coils being out of spec and being chewed up by the tool switches. Another sign they rushed the manufacturing at scale. I really hope they work it all out and recover. I still want a 350MM 2.4 with INDX, but I'm probably going to give it a year and see how this shakes out. |
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Originally Posted By sonaliel: I think the INDX is a remarkably cool technology and is the way forward for multi material. However, Bondtech wasn't prepared to bring it to market. They lack the scale to spool up manufacturing, and likely needed the preorder money to expand their capacity. Then they discovered they overpromised, couldn't deliver and tried to fake it until the make it. They aren't the first company and certainly won't be the last to think if we just get some orders it'll all work out. I've also seen stories about the induction coils being out of spec and being chewed up by the tool switches. Another sign they rushed the manufacturing at scale. I really hope they work it all out and recover. I still want a 350MM 2.4 with INDX, but I'm probably going to give it a year and see how this shakes out. I fully expected there to be bugs and I was ok with it. But they promised things, changed them without notice, and then acted like complete fucking assholes about it and expected us to roll over and take it. Infimech already has a clone on kickstarter for about 1/6 the price of a fully kitted out INDX Core One, and it will very likely be fully functioning at launch. |
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Originally Posted By Blob: I fully expected there to be bugs and I was ok with it. But they promised things, changed them without notice, and then acted like complete fucking assholes about it and expected us to roll over and take it. Infimech already has a clone on kickstarter for about 1/6 the price of a fully kitted out INDX Core One, and it will very likely be fully functioning at launch. Yup, Bondtech fucked up. Yup, it could actually kill the company. I've never heard of Infimech but the certainly looks like a fly by night Chinese IP thieves who could take your money and deliver an even worse product, or deliver nothing at all. It would be like voting for Kamala because Trump hasn't turned Iran into glass. |
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Originally Posted By sonaliel: Yup, Bondtech fucked up. Yup, it could actually kill the company. I've never heard of Infimech but the certainly looks like a fly by night Chinese IP thieves who could take your money and deliver an even worse product, or deliver nothing at all. It would be like voting for Kamala because Trump hasn't turned Iran into glass. Oh don't get me wrong, I'm definitely not buying an Infimech. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who will based on price alone. |
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Originally Posted By sonaliel: Yup, Bondtech fucked up. Yup, it could actually kill the company. I've never heard of Infimech but the certainly looks like a fly by night Chinese IP thieves who could take your money and deliver an even worse product, or deliver nothing at all. It would be like voting for Kamala because Trump hasn't turned Iran into glass. Originally Posted By sonaliel: Originally Posted By Blob: I fully expected there to be bugs and I was ok with it. But they promised things, changed them without notice, and then acted like complete fucking assholes about it and expected us to roll over and take it. Infimech already has a clone on kickstarter for about 1/6 the price of a fully kitted out INDX Core One, and it will very likely be fully functioning at launch. Yup, Bondtech fucked up. Yup, it could actually kill the company. I've never heard of Infimech but the certainly looks like a fly by night Chinese IP thieves who could take your money and deliver an even worse product, or deliver nothing at all. It would be like voting for Kamala because Trump hasn't turned Iran into glass. Someone should tell them they don't need to copy that part from Bondtech.
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I love this little gem Prusa just snuck in the announcement. Attached File A poop bin and a silicone nozzle wiper. You mean the two things Bambu brought to market first with their X1C that you shit on saying it was wasteful and unnecessary and that youd never implement those unnecessary "features?" Next we are going to see him backtrack on engineering grade filaments. Hopefully he backtracks on active chamber heaters too.
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