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8/6/2026 3:11:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6][Edited]
There must be.

Want a piece of the original?

F-4H-1F tail no. 143391.

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone here flew or crewed her; almost certainly someone here witnessed her trials.
I wanted a mission, and for my sins, they gave me one.
No rules today, sport…just orders.
It’s not about how many people you kill, it’s about how many you save.
8/6/2026 3:41:09 PM EDT
[#1]
I think Rodent flew them, we have at least one former maintainer, and one guy whose father was on the design team IIRC.
8/6/2026 4:17:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6][Edited] [#2]
I think you’re right about @Rodent.
I wanted a mission, and for my sins, they gave me one.
No rules today, sport…just orders.
It’s not about how many people you kill, it’s about how many you save.
8/6/2026 5:10:06 PM EDT
[#3]
I was an engine mechanic working flight line on them for three straight years.  RF-4C, F-4D and F-4E.

8/6/2026 7:45:25 PM EDT
[#4]
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Originally Posted By Fox:
I was an engine mechanic working flight line on them for three straight years.  RF-4C, F-4D and F-4E.

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Two things:
1) I saw squadron of F-4s take off in formation at Lajes one day. I really thought there was an explosion at the end of the flight line as they all throttled up at the same time this massive black cloud went into the sky and then slowly but surely their headlights started showing in the mirage that came across the flight line as they came towards my direction. At the time I was taking inventory of a paint locker on the flight line and when they flew past me maybe at 10 or 15 feet up, maybe 400 feet out.  I made eye contact with one of the pilots who had the pleasure of watching paint cans fall off the cabinet and explode all around me. The vibration just about shook my soul out.
2)... Can you hear me now???...
(You got to be deaf by now)

8/6/2026 7:49:33 PM EDT
[#5]
One of my former employees was F4 pilot who flew a ton of missions. He was a good ol boy that lived an extremely unassuming life in Louisiana.

He didnt ever openly talk about it and you would have never known looking at the guy. But he had tons of great stories.
8/7/2026 11:37:31 AM EDT
[#6]
That's from the prototype that first flew in 1958.  Or one of the prototypes.
8/7/2026 1:49:02 PM EDT
[#7]
I was a kid in high school while my dad was running the Navy Commissary at the Air Force base in Tainan, Taiwan, 1969-1971 (Yeah... a Navy guy on an Air Force base).  When they fired up the engines of an F-4 it was deafening.  It was the loudest noise of anything I have ever heard then and now.
byte-me
8/7/2026 2:04:30 PM EDT
[#8]
I always thought that the F-4 phantom looked like a jet that was just spoiling for a fight with someone, and if one wasn't there, it would go looking to pick a fight with someone.
8/7/2026 2:12:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rooster-X][Edited] [#9]
I got a back seat ride in one as a high school senior. Our senior instructor (Col Weller) made sure his AFJROTC top students got rides at our local Air guard base  My first ride was as a sophomore in a T-33, and 2 years later in the back seat of the F-4. The F-4 was intense on take off.
"Hey Teacher, if my kid is misbehaving, slap the kid next to him." -diesel1 (May 2024)
8/7/2026 4:19:15 PM EDT
[#10]
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Originally Posted By Genin:
I always thought that the F-4 phantom looked like a jet that was just spoiling for a fight with someone, and if one wasn't there, it would go looking to pick a fight with someone.
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Fuckin A
8/7/2026 4:24:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fox][Edited] [#11]
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Originally Posted By ar154all:

Two things:
1) I saw squadron of F-4s take off in formation at Lajes one day. I really thought there was an explosion at the end of the flight line as they all throttled up at the same time this massive black cloud went into the sky and then slowly but surely their headlights started showing in the mirage that came across the flight line as they came towards my direction. At the time I was taking inventory of a paint locker on the flight line and when they flew past me maybe at 10 or 15 feet up, maybe 400 feet out.  I made eye contact with one of the pilots who had the pleasure of watching paint cans fall off the cabinet and explode all around me. The vibration just about shook my soul out.
2)... Can you hear me now???...
(You got to be deaf by now)

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They were extremely loud, for sure.  However, I always made sure I had ear muffs and/or custom ear plugs which we could get from the base hospital.  My hearing is still good well into my 70s.  I later ran the F4 trim pad at Korat, Thailand, late in the war.  It was located at the end of the runway; the predominant end where the planes left the ground.  Missions were flown all night long.  You had to have good ear muffs to get through the night since we had F4, F111A and F105 planes taking off all night long.

8/7/2026 7:04:03 PM EDT
[#12]
I cut my teeth on the F4



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There comes a time when you look into the mirror and realize that what you see is all that you will ever be. Then you accept it, kill yourself, or you stop looking into mirrors.
8/7/2026 8:41:27 PM EDT
[#13]
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Originally Posted By firemedic5586: I cut my teeth on the F4
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I wanted a mission, and for my sins, they gave me one.
No rules today, sport…just orders.
It’s not about how many people you kill, it’s about how many you save.
8/7/2026 9:21:18 PM EDT
[#14]
I had a customer who flew the F4.  Not sure how to approach him, but I would like to ask if he would be interested in talking to me about his experiences.
The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Be the hammer, not the nail.
8/8/2026 6:42:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KILLERB6][Edited] [#15]
History Channel has/had a series called Dogfights, where they cover…dogfights from various wars/countries.

It’s really amazing what some of those guys did.

One of the craziest ones was Lt. Cdr. Richard “Dick” “Brown Bear” Schaffert, flying a U.S. Navy F-8 Crusader.  He either expended all of his ordnance or his systems failed, leaving him unarmed.

Knowing he couldn’t get a way from his adversaries (multiple Mig-21s), he continued to dogfight as if he was armed, thus preventing his adversaries from gaining a firing solution on him.

He did so for 10 minutes before he was able to break contact and head for his carrier.

Allegedly, his fight is still taught/analyzed at Top Gun.
I wanted a mission, and for my sins, they gave me one.
No rules today, sport…just orders.
It’s not about how many people you kill, it’s about how many you save.

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