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Posted: 7/20/2026 4:54:36 AM EDT
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YouTube got too much negative feedback over AI producers making channels that steals the sets/background of channels with 100k-1M subscribers, and even copy their normal dress such as t-shirt or jean jacket with a face slightly changed (obviously with skin about 3 tones darker) and YouTube is NOT taking them down despite everything is stolen from the people uploading the videos. I was OK with using AI for narrating since doing good vocals is a must and most people don't want to buy pro audio equipment like a nice a can go with the Zoom P4Next system (same price as components about), still need cables, mic stands, wall treatments. Otherwise Microphone ($250 each for Shure SM7B), mic preamp ($100), a compressor with noise gate ($300-$1500+), USB to XLR interface ($150) to record with notebook or desktop system Digital Audio Workstation (DAW), and cables, mic stand and misc other supporting bits ($300) and if they want to stop the echos so they sound clean but are in a room that's all drywall, they need to buy another $1000 worth of foam to kill reflections and mount them on the ceiling above the mic and wall behind mic and wall behind person talking in addition to saturating the walls. Then having to wait until air conditioning shuts off and hope it doesn't come back on, or shut the vent in the room, etc. TL;DR Recording audio at the level people watching youtube are now is out of reach of most people so they just have an AI persona read copy they wrote. (Not AI Doing a search then narrating what it thinks it found, but copy written by the author and his words, not the AI generated crap with bleed words from other articles slipping in totally unrelated. Anyway, that big ramble puts me here. The people are training their AI's to look like popular channels and mimic the style of thumbnail and title and everything else about the channel and throw out their opinion and people think it's the guy who gives good information when it's crap info. Here's examples from the music world since it's what I saw first: The Original One: ![]() Hey YouTube... WTF Is This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIiKGoYXHVs Samurai found out about it and has some great ideas on steps to take, such as going local to bump topics national if they need to be ( I hope they don't go political ). After he found out what is going on and there's not much to do... AI is trained and now it's a "yes/no" and not a "partially for 30 seconds", it treats the whole video as AI and no longer shares the ad money, it's like their dream come true. ![]() This could ruin Youtube (and I figured out who is behind it) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPsI5PNUu5E So after a ton of complaints, youtube doesn't take down the AI "Channel Clones", they just decided that if AI is used, it gets tagged "AI" and is demonetized So yeah, that is a solution to the channel clone people, but they throw in their own promotions anyway and get patreon supporters by misdirection. Since you can't trademark your face or clothes or studio, you can't sue them to cease and desist unless you can provide exact items copied that can only be owned by that person, such as a autographed copy to (YTers name) in background in clear view. Then it could be shown they are stealing that set. The problem then comes to this. The guys who can't talk or can't afford the equipment to narrate their own videos are also demonetized. If you use any AI that can be detected by the Algorithm, the video is tagged "AI". AJ uses a ton of AI illustration so his channel has been marked AI. Treating it just like the channels that are completely cloning other big channels, which I think is a different thing. Maybe we should have a different thread about this but I'm thinking all of AJs videos have been demonetized because some people ruined it for the rest (then again, I think it was google posting the channel clones so they'd have an excuse to not pay the people watching their ads one red cent. Though I'm jaded and seen too much underhanded bullshit from GoogleTube to not think that). I would like it to flash a very visible the "AI Video" Icon under the video when the video is AI and a less obtrusive "AI Audio" alert to let you know when voiceovers are AI generated (well, they call computer generated like Microsoft David's "AI Voice" now, which is BS). Put both together for "AI Audio/Video" and that's when they should be demonetized, not when they're trying to illustrate or narrate a video. And even using AI to narrate and illustrate a video is OK if it is that person's original content, not ripping off "the look" from any channel and letting people know it is AI because they're good at writing copy but nobody wants to read what they wrote because then they'd have to share the profits, so they need to do something and a complete Audio/Video studio is insanely expensive, the $1500 in audio and wall treatments is a drop in the bucket once you get to lighting, several 4k cameras for several angles, a great backdrop since green screens are too easy to spot so real backgrounds are more "appreciated". This was going in the Why Files thread but It got so long it would have derailed it so I'm' posting it here. So, as you can guess from what I wrote above, the bar for YouTube Production values is higher than that for TV in the 90s. The entry to do video is around $5 grand for Audio/video and basict studio set with quality microphones, mic stands, lighting, and camera, not to mention another $10k for a basic video editing system that you need to plop 3+ Video cards into to make it render 4k at the rate of 5 minutes time for 1 minute of video (Used to be a minute per second for 720p with the latest stuff CPU only before nVidia really took off with engines easy for software to take advantage of) Trying to render 4k or even 1080p video and preview edits would be looking at an hourglass for nearly all of the time you spend editing. That's why the big channels are now teams with a tech guy, a lighting/camera "grip" guy, an audio guy with a pro audio setup recording and editing at 192kHz/32bit and background noise is artfully ducked or cleaned up spectrally, anyway, a whole crapload of stuff. The "Use your phone and put up something and if it's quality, you'll grow". I saw that happen with everything from woodworking to car repair videos where they started out with a phone but then as they talked and the fast easy money was rolling in (Prior to 2015 it made millionaires in 6 months just by doing stupid dangerous shit), they gave advice about the most economical setups for various groups of content providers and the money was good enough to buy all that as they went and sell their old stuff and claw their way up with more subscribers and adding patreon until they're making 5 grand a month and can then afford to dump $20 grand on a full studio remodel/upgrade with lighting and different backdrops (kind of like Why Files and"Basement" set) and hire guys to do the editing and audio leveling/recording/noise removal which is a bit more boring and annoying than editing the video to decide which clips to keep, so separate them all out to decide later and have them all pre-rendered so it's drag and drop and the final render will only take an hour. So, in short, YouTube isn't the moneymaker just from subscribers anymore. Subscribers get views which get you promoted and there you can be sponsored or go the patreon route or paypal donations on a "value for value" model like UnchartedX, if you feel you got $100 of new information, toss him that. If you feel you got $100 of new info and images but don't have money, toss him $10 at least. I think he's making more than the people that advertise 4 sponsors in addition to pushing patreon and the "Joined" paid channel subscription for $5/month (which google gets a cut of....) |
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| Geez, what a mess. Youtube seems fairly unable to fix situations that harm their popular creators in a timely manner. I really wish there was a competing platform that treated them better in general, but I doubt that happens any time soon. Sucks especially for AJ as popular as he is and with how much he puts into his productions. |
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There is something called “trade dress” that may apply here. Someone copying original work too closely - imagine a new automaker for some reason makes a truck that is unmistakably copied off of the CyberTruck (for instant recognition) - is subject to lawsuit/cease and desist. When someone is unmistakably first, and sets the tone for a type of channel it’s incumbent upon whoever follows to be unique. Why Files looks different than American Alchemy who looks different than Rogan who looks different from Area52… for someone to steal that look and put up AI slop in the hopes of getting mistaken clicks sucks for the original they’re copying from. I really can’t stand poorly done AI voices either. |
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I'm getting really sick of AI anything. I avoid videos with an AI thumbnail that looks exactly like every other thumbnail. Some of the voices are OK, sometimes AI can't pronounce basic English properly. Visuals are questionable, in some instances they are OK, other times they are used to create bullshit historical events. I'm not surprised in any way that google is taking the worst path possible in response to a problem. |
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Originally Posted By macman37: I really can’t stand poorly done AI voices either. I like well done AI Narration with good diction and all syllables pronounced since I can't hear otherwise. Lots of youtube guys chop the 2k+ of their voice on the EQ because they think it makes them sound "screechy", but that's area is what is used to detect vowels or consonants and people with full hearing don't understand how critical that area is for people who have hearing loss. That's about it, maybe some AI illustration but only a fraction of the video and it should be clearly stated which parts are AI generated when looking at the video due to fakes being so well done these days. New youtubers mumble and talk like they've got marbles or candy in their mouth and you get their "meat sounds" and breathing over the mic due to a lack of a noise gate. That's worse than the good audio recording then taking a chainsaw to it to edit it like music where they need to tone down the screaming electric guitar. When it's just voices, they don't need that much EQ. I suppose they could have AI touch up the audio to be clean and remove noise as it would still be their voice and it's the same thing DAWs do local with a video card processor. The channel cloning is a no go, those should be taken down and the entire account banned. But youtube wants that sweet ad money they don't need to share since they found a violation so they not only don't ban the channel, they just add a non-obvious tag and stop giving that guy a portion of the ad money. The bar for production values is really high, everything went up in price during covid since demand supported the pricing but now it's died down a little since people aren't buying at any price to do something to make money. Then they went and put 4k videos would be promoted by the algorithm which caused another stampede for the latest cameras driving their prices up. The science channels all have high speed cameras, from 100,000 frames/second and higher for the Big channels (I'm guessing some are promos/lease/loan since they're 6 digits to buy one and several channels have them) The rest of this, where I draw the line, I can't say all of this is bad while all of this is OK. There are some bad that is ok (unless they're cloning a channel) and some ok that's bad (real person using mostly AI for the visual part). So it's a whole new world to get used to. Maybe content producers will go back to looking for archive footage before jumping to the "AI Solution". |
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Originally Posted By Taboot: I'm at the point where almost everything is AI until proven otherwise. Which sucks. Research "Skepticism." It's not what most people believe it to be, and it should be the default mechanism for your consciousness. When you're done with that, research "Logical Fallacies." After you're well versed in those, come back to these forums and tell me what you really think. We can pick this up from there. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Research "Skepticism." It's not what most people believe it to be, and it should be the default mechanism for your consciousness. When you're done with that, research "Logical Fallacies." After you're well versed in those, come back to these forums and tell me what you really think. We can pick this up from there. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By Taboot: I'm at the point where almost everything is AI until proven otherwise. Which sucks. Research "Skepticism." It's not what most people believe it to be, and it should be the default mechanism for your consciousness. When you're done with that, research "Logical Fallacies." After you're well versed in those, come back to these forums and tell me what you really think. We can pick this up from there. I appreciate skepticism, but I also try to read as much material as I can and if I don't know the answer after that, I still leave it as a "maybe". Compare that to some debunkers that stop by and populate GD who have never educated themselves on these topics and jump to what they've learned from TV and "it's all fake bullshit" without stopping to think where the new footage and testimony is coming from. When asked if they read anything about it, the answer is always "Nope, It's all bullshit, why would I waste time learning about bullshit?" I posted the "Skeptics vs Debunkers" text before but I'll toss it here again... s/Afterlife/UAP/g Honest Skeptics
Skepticism is a healthy approach to dealing with extraordinary claims. Some of the greatest afterlife researchers began their careers as honest skeptics. From Ian Stevenson and Raymond Moody through Bruce Lipton, Helen Wambach and Gary Schwartz to Elisabeth Kubler-Ross and Bob Monroe, most of the best afterlife researchers were startled to discover some seeming anomaly. They were curious, and with an open-minded skepticism they set out to study that anomaly enough to be able to explain it and move on. Of course, the phenomena that they had paused to study turned out not to be anomalies at all, so none of them ever did move on. Today their wonderful work forms the basis of modern afterlife-related scholarship. Others, of course, have studied some phenomenon, been unconvinced, and said so. But no honest skeptic ever will attempt to mess with the evidence, or will consider his own view to be determinative of anything. Debunkers Skepticism in researching the afterlife is a healthy thing. But many purported skeptics now dealing with afterlife-related evidence are not operating as honest skeptics at all. They are operating instead as debunkers. When they encounter an afterlife-related phenomenon, their first reaction is not curiosity, but fear. The most common debunkers are scientists whose materialism-based careers might be at risk if reality turns out to be more complicated than what mainstream science long has supposed. Many of them are atheists as well. For them, debunking afterlife-related phenomena is a two-fer: not only can they protect their careers, but they can maybe also give God the boot! Debunkers try to pass for honest skeptics, and it can be hard to tell them apart until you have some experience. To help you recognize debunker foolishness when you see it, here are four common debunker techniques: 1) They might choose what they think is a key aspect of some afterlife-related phenomenon and try to reproduce it under laboratory conditions, thereby in their minds proving that no supernatural explanation is necessary. In doing this, of course, they ignore whole swathes of other aspects of these phenomena which could not be so easily explained! But since they can (for example) produce tunnel vision and visual spots of light by whirling people in centrifuges, the whole well-documented phenomenon of NDEs is thereby “debunked” in their view. Someone conceivably could have opened the film-box that was on the table at Scole while a session was underway, so all the extraordinary photographic evidence which instantly appeared there must be ignored. Whenever a purported skeptical researcher focuses on just one aspect of a phenomenon, that is your cue to be skeptical of him. 2) They speak and write as if scientific hypotheses are the final word on something. As any good professional scientist knows, all scientific claims remain hypotheses. If that were not the case, then how could basic scientific advancements occur? Since all scientific claims are working hypotheses which can be revised or rebutted in the face of new information, when some “skeptic” claims to have the final word, you know he is no scientist. 3) They deny that some well-documented event actually happened. If they cannot find a way to debunk something, they simply say that it has been debunked and move on. Don’t let anyone try to tell you that any afterlife-related phenomenon has been debunked until you yourself have impartially examined all the evidence. 4) They refuse to consider bodies of afterlife-related evidence as a whole. It is in the very nature of afterlife-related phenomena that the evidence for them is extraordinary and usually highly subjective. In general, these phenomena are difficult to study and usually impossible to reproduce. You were the only witness to the appearance of your mother at the foot of your bed while she was dying half a world away? Good luck getting anyone to believe that! 5) They selectively lie. A strong word, true. They specialize in negative propaganda in areas where their lying cannot be balanced, so to do an internet search on any so-called paranormal phenomenon is to decide before the fact that you are not interested in an open-minded search for the truth. To give just one example, William Stainton Moses was arguable among the greatest natural mediums who ever lived, but yet if you attempt a Google search on his name you will learn that he is a thoroughly discredited impostor. He is not that. Check out a blog post by the venerable Michael Tymn for a more balanced view. To honestly research the afterlife is to begin an extraordinary voyage! When I started doing afterlife research, I assumed that most of the purported afterlife communications that I was setting out to read would be nonsense. What I was looking for was a few bits of similarities among some of them, hoping that I could use those bits to get some idea of whether in fact there was an afterlife and what that afterlife was like. But in reading many hundreds of communications from the dead received over nearly 200 years, I found no outliers whatsoever and I cannot recall finding one duplication. Sure, if you look at one afterlife communication, it might have been faked. But, hundreds? And they all perfectly agree? The odds against chance for such a finding are so long as to be nearly incalculable. Personally, I find this amazing result to be my own surest evidence that all of this is real. Debunkers, however, generally insist on dealing with each event individually. Everything that a debunker says or writes is fear-based propaganda. Ignore it! Instead, concentrate on reading honest skeptics’ original research, and draw your own conclusions. |
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Originally Posted By imq707s: Isn't even my radar as far as things to worry about..... It should be, especially when Google stops giving you the option to watch the original channel, or the AI clone channel with manipulation included by default. We saw that in just the past decade with Google. Eric Schmidt said around 2005-2015 that "When people want to search for something, I feel they should get one result, and it will be the exact result they desired". Now, we see that one result and lack of other results to compare to is live. Pay attention to things said at shareholder meetings, this is only getting worse faster. |
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Originally Posted By Paul_Sothern: A popular gimmick is to have a narrator with a British accent. It sounds off and I assume AI so I stop watching. I avoid AI if I can. If it results in me spending less time on YouTube that is probably a good thing. The biggest problem with it I see is that it shows the exact same AI Tag for a non-existent person narrating the latest fad propaganda as the why files gets because they use AI video for illustration. There should be a distinction on what percentage is AI. The sudden shotgun blast of "Top 10" and "Top 25" lists that get pushed are all AI but don't tag them AI but maybe that's changing. Demonetizing an up and coming influencer for using AI to help to portray something should be treated different by overlaying "AI Illustration" on that video created with AI and not on all the real human parts. Then that shouldn't get flagged, while the non-human AI generated person should not be monetized or even allowed if they're stealing the trademark sets/clothing of popular influencers. I suppose those top xx list videos are good for some people but they don't really have any anima to them, just curating whatever social media nd the propaganda outlets said about things to determine order. . |
The person who complains most, and is the most critical of others has the most to hide.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By Taboot: I'm at the point where almost everything is AI until proven otherwise. Which sucks. It’s getting to the point that human and ai made media (written, audio, video) content will be indistinguishable within 18-24 months. |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
| I have gotten to the point that as soon as I hear AI narration I just move on. I can’t stand listening to any of the voices used. I don’t watch much as far as music videos and such so I don’t know what all is happening with this side of things. I don’t even know where the younger generation is finding new music. Is radio even a thing with them anymore? I only listen to a local classic rock station here when I do listen but most of the time just listen to the 2000 or so loaded onto my phone. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I have gotten to the point that as soon as I hear AI narration I just move on. I can’t stand listening to any of the voices used. I don’t watch much as far as music videos and such so I don’t know what all is happening with this side of things. I don’t even know where the younger generation is finding new music. Is radio even a thing with them anymore? I only listen to a local classic rock station here when I do listen but most of the time just listen to the 2000 or so loaded onto my phone. On Audible, I like the computer narration, most sound like reading at the 2010 level of artificial phone trees and similar. but that's changing to sound "fully human" based on context. It's not AI that ads nuances and stresses certain words to send an extra message over the content, though some of them do just that. The "crappy computer narration" is a good sign of a free book if you don't mind phone tree voice. I also believe that some of the "narrators" that have names given are also AI but are tagged to sound like a human. A flesh and blood person wouldn't pause extra long or mix up the words breath vs breathe and similarly pronunciation of bow to use (Bo̅ or Bau) among the many other English-isms that trip up AI narration even today. I'd imagine the higher end would rip through it and then ask author or whoever wants the narration, how to handle all of those multiple case situations, or to leave them as is for double entendre and the like. |
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

