A mostly peaceful election year. Let's talk PDWs v2.0 (Page 3 of 52)
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Originally Posted By Southernman077: I have an MP5k in a laptop bag. I have a tritium front sight and a surefire X300u mounted on it. I also have two 30rd mags clamped together and two spare 30s in the laptop bag. I hope that is enough. That's a good option. Virtually any other type of concealment such as fanny packs, messenger bags, or satchels have become closely associated with carrying guns to the point it's like using a guitar case to conceal a gun. A laptop is completely believable for just carrying a laptop. |
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Originally Posted By VersaceDesertEagle: That's a good option. Virtually any other type of concealment such as fanny packs, messenger bags, or satchels have become closely associated with carrying guns to the point it's like using a guitar case to conceal a gun. A laptop is completely believable for just carrying a laptop. Originally Posted By VersaceDesertEagle: Originally Posted By Southernman077: I have an MP5k in a laptop bag. I have a tritium front sight and a surefire X300u mounted on it. I also have two 30rd mags clamped together and two spare 30s in the laptop bag. I hope that is enough. That's a good option. Virtually any other type of concealment such as fanny packs, messenger bags, or satchels have become closely associated with carrying guns to the point it's like using a guitar case to conceal a gun. A laptop is completely believable for just carrying a laptop. Most people are not gun schizos like us and I guarantee you they don't think that |
Originally Posted By p3590:
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Most people are not gun schizos like us and I guarantee you they don't think that Correct. Plus sling bags, fanny packs etc are more prevalent today than they have been in at least 20 years with the non gun public |
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Originally Posted By X-CaptHook: I have one on my Glock 34. I love it. The only thing is, I’m trying to devise some sort of trigger covering so I can carry it with a round in the chamber in a backpack. But it’s definitely well worth the money. Originally Posted By X-CaptHook: Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. I have one on my Glock 34. I love it. The only thing is, I’m trying to devise some sort of trigger covering so I can carry it with a round in the chamber in a backpack. But it’s definitely well worth the money. I have two. They make a "holster" that covers the trigger |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: Correct. Plus sling bags, fanny packs etc are more prevalent today than they have been in at least 20 years with the non gun public Originally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Most people are not gun schizos like us and I guarantee you they don't think that Correct. Plus sling bags, fanny packs etc are more prevalent today than they have been in at least 20 years with the non gun public If you skip all the Velcro and Molle webbing and everything else that screams tactical. Even most fellow gun guys don’t instantly think “hey I bet he has a gun in there”. 
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Originally Posted By JaredGrey: Anyone have experience with a Recover Tactical braced chassis? I see that they are available, and my interest is piqued. I’m sure it’s been addressed, but I’ll add my .02 I have one for a Form 1’d G17.4 and a brace version for G17 sized P80 frames that I use with a suppressed RMR wearing G34 slide. Both make hits at distance faster and easier, but the RT20/20 setup feels kinda chunky. The Flux Raider looks like a much more compact and ‘smooth’ design, but at 1/8th the price and actually available, the RT20/20 is a good way to dip your toes into the chassis’d pistol game and see if you like it. I think there’s merit to it, but I take my SBR’d PS90 with a K can on road trips instead of the pistol chassis. The RT20/20 taught me what I wanted to learn, and didn’t cost a grand to do it. ETA PS90 pic Attached File |
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Originally Posted By bulldog1967: Who makes that? @Thor Originally Posted By bulldog1967: Originally Posted By Thor: It is kinda a no brainer for me. 18.5” without the can. Usually keep it set for 300blk, but i have a 5.56 barrel for it as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66797/IMG_2738_Copy_jpeg-3242292.JPG Its current config is a little flashy, and 2” longer, but it will still do the job. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/66797/IMG_3647_Copy_jpeg-3242293.JPG Who makes that? @Thor @bulldog1967 It’s a bullpup chassis. A3 Tactical Triad. Uses a milspec AR lower and select bufferless uppers: FM15, BRN180, PSA JAKL. Trigger is actually better than some factory bullpups. |
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Originally Posted By LineOfDeparture: This is why 7.5 inch ar-10s exist. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310196/20210911_103938-2086527.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310196/20210910_175842-2086528.jpg Attached File |
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Originally Posted By livinfree: I really like this in .556, 4.75” barrel. I know a lot of you think it is too short for .556, but I don’t have to add a caliber I don’t already have. Add sights/optic of your choice. Fits in Jansport backpack. Put whatever lower on it you want, same mags and ammo you already have. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/273029/22F7ECA4-E03B-4369-9C54-ED80BEBD8893_jpe-3242216.JPG Just get an MP5K at that point. 5.56 absolutely sucks less than 10in barrels, not just in reliability, but ballistics, and the fact if you shot it without ear pro you will be beyond deaf too. |
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Originally Posted By Skydivesnake: Rattler, or equivilent AR pistol with collapsible brace. I've posted this before, but if you make a load spreader out of a tee and couple of pieces of pvc pipe and insert the muzzle into the tee, it carries very well in a regular pack without showing any outlines or sharp protrusions. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/97093/Screenshot_20220712-001701_Gallery_jpg-2-3242552.JPG Attached File |
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Originally Posted By 110: https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.AVDECajejW7frWvHdm8AXAHaEK?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain Not mine, but I still need to complete my slide with Optic. I would add their optic mount instead of putting the optic on the slide. It makes it much easier to use. |
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Originally Posted By fike: 9-10 inches Originally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By ordkhntr: I've had my eyes on either a 9mm AR pistol or something like th CZ Scorpion. I know someone on here knows, but whats the sweet spot on barrel length for 9mm ballistically speaking? 9-10 inches This is where I find fault with a PDW. The extra size and weight for the same ballistics as a pistol. Add the barrel length for improved ballistics and you are looking at a 8.5” 300BO with a much better round. It only takes a second to put the upper and lower together if the threat turns out to be a protracted event and have the CCW for an immediate threat. Attached File |
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Nice! I use the same setup. Someone else in the last thread showed a PVC fixture to help distribute the load in the backpack. Did the same approach, using a big enough size to fit the suppressor mount. Also keep a PSA Rock and extra mags with it. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Has anyone SBR'd a Polymer 80 frame? I have a couple laying around doing nothing. Do you just engrave Manufacturer name (trust?), model, and serial number on the tiny metal tag? Now I'm tempted to put a recover brace on this thing  Attached File |
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Hell yeah! I have a lot of 5.7x28 ammo from years ago when buying the FN boxed blue tip V Max ammo at $16-$18 per 50rd box at gun shows. Don't have a 5.7 firearm. Just bought the ammo as it was cheap. Been wanting a PS90, just never got around to getting one. Will definitely get the PSA offering when it comes out. |
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Originally Posted By JamPo: This is where I find fault with a PDW. The extra size and weight for the same ballistics as a pistol. Add the barrel length for improved ballistics and you are looking at a 8.5” 300BO with a much better round. It only takes a second to put the upper and lower together if the threat turns out to be a protracted event and have the CCW for an immediate threat. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/146093/IMG_2161_jpeg-3242629.JPG The PDW conundrum is the exact same as concealed carry handgun one. Yeah, ballistics is a factor. But so is size, ease of concealment, etc. Depending on where people go during the day, what they wear, and their perceived risk, there are a ton of people out there carrying LCPs, J frames, etc because its easiest to carry around all day, despite the negatives of using a subcompact low capacity option. Then there are guys who swear to you they never go anywhere without a full size handgun with a red dot and wml, a reload, a flashlight,two tqs, etc. There really isnt a “this is the single correct option” answer to the question. A PDW isnt as important or useful as a good ccw and a lot of time and effort on training it. But I think theres a niche for them. Whether a suppressed Rattler in 300blk or a stocked pistol or whatever fits that medium spicy niche best depends more on you and your circumstances than anything else. |
Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Things I have that can work. Diy mp5 reverse stretch Ap5 waiting on a form 1 currently braced 300 jakl Pap m85 sbr 300 8.5 sbr And maybe a keltec 2000 I have a suppressor for every thing but the pap. |
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I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available:  |
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Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not |
Originally Posted By p3590:
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. |
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Originally Posted By RedFox1911: If I am 12 hours from home and it Floyds out, I want more than a fullsize handgun but is more vehicle maneuverable than a 10in AR. Originally Posted By RedFox1911: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not If I am 12 hours from home and it Floyds out, I want more than a fullsize handgun but is more vehicle maneuverable than a 10in AR. That's valid. For me if I'm 12 hours from home I'm traveling to go camp or compete so I have a rifle anyways |
Originally Posted By p3590:
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
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Originally Posted By Glocked: Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. |
Originally Posted By p3590:
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
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The OG Skorpion in .32 ACP is still an amazing choice in this role. The Flux/B&T type chassis systems are very solid too when you consider the intended use. The best gun in this category, hands down would be the B&T TP9 if they could improve the absolutely horrendous trigger. Why? It's tiny and weights nothing and it offers a lot of capacity in a small package that's designed around a suppressor. Anything in .300 or 5.56 is a great vehicle/office/whatever gun but a bit too much weight and bulk to carry in my opinion. I'm a huge MP5 fan but those too are just too big and you might as well pack a MK18 at that point. Circa 2005 I visited Czech Republic and noticed that in Prague the officers walking the streets carried a CZ75 in a holster, a .32 Skorpion on their weak hand side and they carried a MP5 with optic slung across their chest. I thought it was very illustrative of the concept of how each of those has a different niche. |
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Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available: https://www.gadgetify.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/09/foldable-gun.gif B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better.  Incredible Swiss Folding Gun: The B&T BWC |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: The PDW conundrum is the exact same as concealed carry handgun one. Yeah, ballistics is a factor. But so is size, ease of concealment, etc. Depending on where people go during the day, what they wear, and their perceived risk, there are a ton of people out there carrying LCPs, J frames, etc because its easiest to carry around all day, despite the negatives of using a subcompact low capacity option. Then there are guys who swear to you they never go anywhere without a full size handgun with a red dot and wml, a reload, a flashlight,two tqs, etc. There really isnt a “this is the single correct option” answer to the question. A PDW isnt as important or useful as a good ccw and a lot of time and effort on training it. But I think theres a niche for them. Whether a suppressed Rattler in 300blk or a stocked pistol or whatever fits that medium spicy niche best depends more on you and your circumstances than anything else. A full auto PDW in a pistol caliber is where it makes sense to me. 3 or 4 really quick hits closes the gap on ballistics. Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not I will carry my boog shirt in the backpack with the 300sbr. Don’t want any confusion amongst my boog brothers. Then everyone will know what’s up. |
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Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. You’re on Montana? You may be right out there. During the Floyd riots cops who couldn’t or wouldn’t stop the mobs had no problem hassling normal people carrying rifles. If anything I think what you call a “transitory” period is becoming our new normal as millions come across the border, the economy continues to be meh and we all have to pretend everything is groovy. People arent going to take up rifles and fight back, but they will have to go to work or run errands in areas that have been ceded entirely to clown world. |
Originally Posted By Aimless: You're calling each other names at 8 on a sunday in a thread about ancient rome. smiley_freak.gif
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Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. With enough money and handjobs for favors you could probably source the parts to build your own, maybe.
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Originally Posted By BillythePoet: Maybe not entirely germane to this discussion, but would anyone else be interested in a brace or chassis for Ruger Mk series rimfires? Kinda want. But with the 10/22 Charger available now I don’t think there’d be much interest. |
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Easy. MP5K-N PDW. Or for us poor, an SP5K SBR w/ all the HK accoutrements. On my example I have a Surefire/modlite light mounted off the front sight base with a DS00 for redundancy and a ST07 switch for activation on the VFG. HK PDW stock for better accuracy and topped off with a CompM4. For the lols we through in a 3-lug Omega9K  |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: You’re on Montana? You may be right out there. During the Floyd riots cops who couldn’t or wouldn’t stop the mobs had no problem hassling normal people carrying rifles. If anything I think what you call a “transitory” period is becoming our new normal as millions come across the border, the economy continues to be meh and we all have to pretend everything is groovy. People arent going to take up rifles and fight back, but they will have to go to work or run errands in areas that have been ceded entirely to clown world. Attached File I’ll disagree with a few others as I think there definitely will be a transitory period of a year or more. Hopefully this is all just talk and we never have to experience it |
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Originally Posted By BillythePoet: Maybe not entirely germane to this discussion, but would anyone else be interested in a brace or chassis for Ruger Mk series rimfires? I always thought someone should make a stock for them like the old Crossman pump up pellet pistol, the style that replaced the grips and slipped on. These days it'd be easy enough to make it some sort of Tailhook looking thing as a brace. From Crossman's website: https://www.crosman.com/crosman-shoulder-stock Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Alacran: B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wI want that… |
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Originally Posted By 74novaman: You’re on Montana? You may be right out there. During the Floyd riots cops who couldn’t or wouldn’t stop the mobs had no problem hassling normal people carrying rifles. If anything I think what you call a “transitory” period is becoming our new normal as millions come across the border, the economy continues to be meh and we all have to pretend everything is groovy. People arent going to take up rifles and fight back, but they will have to go to work or run errands in areas that have been ceded entirely to clown world. Originally Posted By 74novaman: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. You’re on Montana? You may be right out there. During the Floyd riots cops who couldn’t or wouldn’t stop the mobs had no problem hassling normal people carrying rifles. If anything I think what you call a “transitory” period is becoming our new normal as millions come across the border, the economy continues to be meh and we all have to pretend everything is groovy. People arent going to take up rifles and fight back, but they will have to go to work or run errands in areas that have been ceded entirely to clown world. I think many believe PDW/PCCs are trying to be a do-all Swiss Army knifes. Instead of a dedicated tool for an extremely specific limited use. |
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Originally Posted By Alacran: B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wOriginally Posted By Alacran: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. If you want the compact rifle - Maxim PDX in .300blk. Solid middle ground when available - PSA 5.7. Best solution not currently available: https://www.gadgetify.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/09/foldable-gun.gif B&T makes some cool stuff but I like their USW kit better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlbzZyFFF4wWe have a member here who turned one of the airsoft versions into a functioning Glock version (he can post it if he wants) and I saw a couple of them when I was living in the Philippines that had been converted (actually a number of airsoft guns; overseas airsoft guns are often the same or much closer to the real gun's specs than the ones we get here). |
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Originally Posted By Glocked: With enough money and handjobs for favors you could probably source the parts to build your own, maybe. Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Glocked: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Rem700PSS: I've run through this a couple times in the past and other than "which PDW do I think is coolest?", I can't come up with a good, practical solution for myself. I'll probably continue the pistol carry because it's hard for me to imagine what more I might need...from a practical standpoint. If we are getting to the point that a legit rifle is needed, I'm carrying that. I don't think we will have a "transitionary period" where a PDW is a gap filling need. 100% agree It's either Boogaloo time or it's not Some of the time though, it’s just a random day, and you have to travel to one of your nearby shitholes. In my case, that would be Jackson, New Orleans, or Mobile. Filling specific roles in between pistols and a legit rifle is something manufacturers have been trying to perfect for 100 or so years. When the KAC PDW died, so did the concept of a PDW to me. With enough money and handjobs for favors you could probably source the parts to build your own, maybe. I have two esstac double gap Kywis in my truck with 147gr HST. That would 100+1 for my 2011. |
Originally Posted By p3590:
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
You cannot feed the Virginians an entire case of malort at once. A pint to sip in the parking garage outside the VA Supreme Court is safe.
With a case, they're going to pull up the 1609 map
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Originally Posted By fnforme: The OG Skorpion in .32 ACP is still an amazing choice in this role. The Flux/B&T type chassis systems are very solid too when you consider the intended use. The best gun in this category, hands down would be the B&T TP9 if they could improve the absolutely horrendous trigger. Why? It's tiny and weights nothing and it offers a lot of capacity in a small package that's designed around a suppressor. Anything in .300 or 5.56 is a great vehicle/office/whatever gun but a bit too much weight and bulk to carry in my opinion. I'm a huge MP5 fan but those too are just too big and you might as well pack a MK18 at that point. Circa 2005 I visited Czech Republic and noticed that in Prague the officers walking the streets carried a CZ75 in a holster, a .32 Skorpion on their weak hand side and they carried a MP5 with optic slung across their chest. I thought it was very illustrative of the concept of how each of those has a different niche. I’ve wanted an SBR’d and suppressed TP9 for as long as I can remember. Hearing about the terrible trigger, and the realization that it’ll never be FA, has kept me from dropping the coin for the gun, can, mags, and stamps though. |
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Originally Posted By towerofpower94: I’ve wanted an SBR’d and suppressed TP9 for as long as I can remember. Hearing about the terrible trigger, and the realization that it’ll never be FA, has kept me from dropping the coin for the gun, can, mags, and stamps though. Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By fnforme: The OG Skorpion in .32 ACP is still an amazing choice in this role. The Flux/B&T type chassis systems are very solid too when you consider the intended use. The best gun in this category, hands down would be the B&T TP9 if they could improve the absolutely horrendous trigger. Why? It's tiny and weights nothing and it offers a lot of capacity in a small package that's designed around a suppressor. Anything in .300 or 5.56 is a great vehicle/office/whatever gun but a bit too much weight and bulk to carry in my opinion. I'm a huge MP5 fan but those too are just too big and you might as well pack a MK18 at that point. Circa 2005 I visited Czech Republic and noticed that in Prague the officers walking the streets carried a CZ75 in a holster, a .32 Skorpion on their weak hand side and they carried a MP5 with optic slung across their chest. I thought it was very illustrative of the concept of how each of those has a different niche. I’ve wanted an SBR’d and suppressed TP9 for as long as I can remember. Hearing about the terrible trigger, and the realization that it’ll never be FA, has kept me from dropping the coin for the gun, can, mags, and stamps though. With the can, mine is one of my favorite guns - terrible trigger and all. You aren't really using a PDW for a match-grade trigger, and while it is a (really) bad trigger, you don't notice it at the distances you are using a PDW at. It is quite expensive though. I can't argue that. |
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Originally Posted By BillythePoet: Maybe not entirely germane to this discussion, but would anyone else be interested in a brace or chassis for Ruger Mk series rimfires? Not sure how you’d do a brace/stock, unless it was for the Mk 4 and replaced the takedown pin along with some kind of wrap around the grip. For the Mk 1-3 it would just be something to go around the grip with the stock coming off the heel of the grip. I’d love to hear what you have in mind if it’s something else though. |
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Originally Posted By Lothbrok: With the can, mine is one of my favorite guns - terrible trigger and all. You aren't really using a PDW for a match-grade trigger, and while it is a (really) bad trigger, you don't notice it at the distances you are using a PDW at. It is quite expensive though. I can't argue that. Originally Posted By Lothbrok: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By fnforme: The OG Skorpion in .32 ACP is still an amazing choice in this role. The Flux/B&T type chassis systems are very solid too when you consider the intended use. The best gun in this category, hands down would be the B&T TP9 if they could improve the absolutely horrendous trigger. Why? It's tiny and weights nothing and it offers a lot of capacity in a small package that's designed around a suppressor. Anything in .300 or 5.56 is a great vehicle/office/whatever gun but a bit too much weight and bulk to carry in my opinion. I'm a huge MP5 fan but those too are just too big and you might as well pack a MK18 at that point. Circa 2005 I visited Czech Republic and noticed that in Prague the officers walking the streets carried a CZ75 in a holster, a .32 Skorpion on their weak hand side and they carried a MP5 with optic slung across their chest. I thought it was very illustrative of the concept of how each of those has a different niche. I’ve wanted an SBR’d and suppressed TP9 for as long as I can remember. Hearing about the terrible trigger, and the realization that it’ll never be FA, has kept me from dropping the coin for the gun, can, mags, and stamps though. With the can, mine is one of my favorite guns - terrible trigger and all. You aren't really using a PDW for a match-grade trigger, and while it is a (really) bad trigger, you don't notice it at the distances you are using a PDW at. It is quite expensive though. I can't argue that. Yeah, I know. I just know there are other things I’d rather spend the 2K+ on to end up with another blowback 9mm. |