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Posted: 4/25/2023 5:15:05 PM EDT
| FDA extended the emergency authorization for the most recent, bi-valent, Covid vaccine. I got my booster today and in 4 months, I can get another (all free!) |
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Originally Posted By medicmandan: How can they keep doing it under EUA? What's the emergency? They extended the EUA. Here's mongo001's thread about it: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Just-when-you-think-the-covid-emergency-is-over-/199-2640475/ |
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Originally Posted By ddollen: FDA extended the emergency authorization for the most recent, bi-valent, Covid vaccine. I got my booster today and in 4 months, I can get another (all free!) Out of curiosity, do you have some risk factor that you are concerned about? The prevailing opinion in this forum seems to be that the vaccines are always bad and do more harm than good no matter your age or state of health. Some of our members actually believe that the mRNA vaccines get incorporated into peoples' DNA, that they permanently damage the immune system, contain graphene oxide which turns into microscopic razor blades, cause long stringy clot-like things to form in blood vessels, that they turn people into magnets, etc. Their fear is that if any of those things happen to even one person, they are going to happen to every person who gets vaccinated. ETA for ddollen, I respect your choice no matter what you decide to do or not do. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Out of curiosity, do you have some risk factor that you are concerned about? The prevailing opinion in this forum seems to be that the vaccines are always bad and do more harm than good no matter your age or state of health. Some of our members actually believe that the mRNA vaccines get incorporated into peoples' DNA, that they permanently damage the immune system, contain graphene oxide which turns into microscopic razor blades, cause long stringy clot-like things to form in blood vessels, that they turn people into magnets, etc. Their fear is that if any of those things happen to even one person, they are going to happen to every person who gets vaccinated. ETA for ddollen, I respect your choice no matter what you decide to do or not do. Excess deaths are up across all age groups, the ScIEncE was wrong about staying in the arm, and not being in woman's breastmilk, and many other things, so let's give the DNA one some time eh ? The rest are your usual strawman arguments and fringe bullshit that your side uses to discredit everything else as a conspiracy theory. Even now, when everything we suspected turned out to be true. Let me ask this: What of the original claims about the clot shot have stood the test of time and remain true and correct ? Not things the other side said that you believe to be untrue. Things that your side claimed about the clot shot that is still true. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Out of curiosity, do you have some risk factor that you are concerned about? The prevailing opinion in this forum seems to be that the vaccines are always bad and do more harm than good no matter your age or state of health. Some of our members actually believe that the mRNA vaccines get incorporated into peoples' DNA, that they permanently damage the immune system, contain graphene oxide which turns into microscopic razor blades, cause long stringy clot-like things to form in blood vessels, that they turn people into magnets, etc. Their fear is that if any of those things happen to even one person, they are going to happen to every person who gets vaccinated. ETA for ddollen, I respect your choice no matter what you decide to do or not do. Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By ddollen: FDA extended the emergency authorization for the most recent, bi-valent, Covid vaccine. I got my booster today and in 4 months, I can get another (all free!) Out of curiosity, do you have some risk factor that you are concerned about? The prevailing opinion in this forum seems to be that the vaccines are always bad and do more harm than good no matter your age or state of health. Some of our members actually believe that the mRNA vaccines get incorporated into peoples' DNA, that they permanently damage the immune system, contain graphene oxide which turns into microscopic razor blades, cause long stringy clot-like things to form in blood vessels, that they turn people into magnets, etc. Their fear is that if any of those things happen to even one person, they are going to happen to every person who gets vaccinated. ETA for ddollen, I respect your choice no matter what you decide to do or not do. Hmm I have my tetanus shot, measles ,mumps, rubella , polio and probably a few others. I have never meet anyone in my almost 50 on this planet who had those shots and then got the disease. Funny how that works. Why the Fuck would I get a shot, based on a new tech that was not properly trialed, for a disease that has a death rate of like .02% and seems to only kill the old, fat and weak, which I am none of those. What's the breakthrough percentage for this sorry ass not a vaccine you guys seem to love? Breakthrough should be rare, not something that happens to nearly every person who gets the shot, that means your vaccine is SHIT. When you have to Threaten, manipulate, coerce, and censor people who have legitimate questions about this new tech, you're going to have folks with more than 2 brain cells question it and be suspicious of it as they should. OP can have all my shots, don't need them as I am a healthy individual. |
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Originally Posted By Skydivesnake: ...Let me ask this: What of the original claims about the clot shot have stood the test of time and remain true and correct ? Not things the other side said that you believe to be untrue. Things that your side claimed about the clot shot that is still true. Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Pick your poison, make your choices, live your life as you wish. I am not a member of any kind of "side" in this discussion. My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Pick your poison, make your choices, live your life as you wish. I am not a member of any kind of "side" in this discussion. My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By Skydivesnake: ...Let me ask this: What of the original claims about the clot shot have stood the test of time and remain true and correct ? Not things the other side said that you believe to be untrue. Things that your side claimed about the clot shot that is still true. Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Pick your poison, make your choices, live your life as you wish. I am not a member of any kind of "side" in this discussion. My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. No, the data shows that is not, in fact, the case. Quite the opposite. Worldwide data, and that in the US, indicates that people who go beyond the 2-shots are actually *more* likely than unvaccinated to catch Kung Flu, be hospitalized, and die from it. This data has been available for well over a year and yet some still refuse to believe the HEGT shots are defective and dangerous. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Out of curiosity, do you have some risk factor that you are concerned about? The prevailing opinion in this forum seems to be that the vaccines are always bad and do more harm than good no matter your age or state of health. Some of our members actually believe that the mRNA vaccines get incorporated into peoples' DNA, that they permanently damage the immune system, contain graphene oxide which turns into microscopic razor blades, cause long stringy clot-like things to form in blood vessels, that they turn people into magnets, etc. Their fear is that if any of those things happen to even one person, they are going to happen to every person who gets vaccinated. ETA for ddollen, I respect your choice no matter what you decide to do or not do. Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By ddollen: FDA extended the emergency authorization for the most recent, bi-valent, Covid vaccine. I got my booster today and in 4 months, I can get another (all free!) Out of curiosity, do you have some risk factor that you are concerned about? The prevailing opinion in this forum seems to be that the vaccines are always bad and do more harm than good no matter your age or state of health. Some of our members actually believe that the mRNA vaccines get incorporated into peoples' DNA, that they permanently damage the immune system, contain graphene oxide which turns into microscopic razor blades, cause long stringy clot-like things to form in blood vessels, that they turn people into magnets, etc. Their fear is that if any of those things happen to even one person, they are going to happen to every person who gets vaccinated. ETA for ddollen, I respect your choice no matter what you decide to do or not do. You left out the bluetooth mac ID's |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Out of curiosity, do you have some risk factor that you are concerned about? The prevailing opinion in this forum seems to be that the vaccines are always bad and do more harm than good no matter your age or state of health. Some of our members actually believe that the mRNA vaccines get incorporated into peoples' DNA, that they permanently damage the immune system, contain graphene oxide which turns into microscopic razor blades, cause long stringy clot-like things to form in blood vessels, that they turn people into magnets, etc. Their fear is that if any of those things happen to even one person, they are going to happen to every person who gets vaccinated. ETA for ddollen, I respect your choice no matter what you decide to do or not do. Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By ddollen: FDA extended the emergency authorization for the most recent, bi-valent, Covid vaccine. I got my booster today and in 4 months, I can get another (all free!) Out of curiosity, do you have some risk factor that you are concerned about? The prevailing opinion in this forum seems to be that the vaccines are always bad and do more harm than good no matter your age or state of health. Some of our members actually believe that the mRNA vaccines get incorporated into peoples' DNA, that they permanently damage the immune system, contain graphene oxide which turns into microscopic razor blades, cause long stringy clot-like things to form in blood vessels, that they turn people into magnets, etc. Their fear is that if any of those things happen to even one person, they are going to happen to every person who gets vaccinated. ETA for ddollen, I respect your choice no matter what you decide to do or not do. Oh, and FYI, the mRNA shots can and do alter people's DNA thru reverse transcriptase. But, you already knew that. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Pick your poison, make your choices, live your life as you wish. I am not a member of any kind of "side" in this discussion. My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. Okay, California, lol. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By Skydivesnake: ...Let me ask this: What of the original claims about the clot shot have stood the test of time and remain true and correct ? Not things the other side said that you believe to be untrue. Things that your side claimed about the clot shot that is still true. Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Not according to the Cleveland Clinic. Originally Posted By California_Kid: My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. Just not pro-choice on matters of employment though eh ? Ok, so you got nothing then ? Not a single thing you can cite from the pro-clot-shot side that can still be shown to be true. Nothing whatsoever ? |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. That's false. That data is heavily manipulated. Take a look at this short, 4-minute Senate hearing video below with Senator Ron Johnson and Josh Sterling, a highly recognized insurance research analyst. It's not a substack. Look at the excess deaths from people who got one shot, two shots, etc., as opposed to those that are unvaxxed. Mortality increased. 1:50-minute mark.
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Originally Posted By planemaker: Oh, and FYI, the mRNA shots can and do alter people's DNA thru reverse transcriptase. But, you already knew that. That myth is based on one in vitro study done on a liver cancer cell line. There is zero evidence for reverse transcription happening in vivo. |
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Originally Posted By Skydivesnake: ...Just not pro-choice on matters of employment though eh ? I support the right of property owners to decide who is and who is not allowed to set foot on their property. That includes employers setting conditions for people becoming or remaining employed by them. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: That myth is based on one in vitro study done on a liver cancer cell line. There is zero evidence for reverse transcription happening in vivo. Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By planemaker: Oh, and FYI, the mRNA shots can and do alter people's DNA thru reverse transcriptase. But, you already knew that. That myth is based on one in vitro study done on a liver cancer cell line. There is zero evidence for reverse transcription happening in vivo. Actually I've read at least 5 papers on the subject. It's a known phenomenon and has been detected in cells from vaccinated blood samples. But you knew that as well since you've been keeping up with the postings here. |
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Originally Posted By planemaker: Actually I've read at least 5 papers on the subject. It's a known phenomenon and has been detected in cells from vaccinated blood samples. But you knew that as well since you've been keeping up with the postings here. Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By planemaker: Oh, and FYI, the mRNA shots can and do alter people's DNA thru reverse transcriptase. But, you already knew that. That myth is based on one in vitro study done on a liver cancer cell line. There is zero evidence for reverse transcription happening in vivo. Actually I've read at least 5 papers on the subject. It's a known phenomenon and has been detected in cells from vaccinated blood samples. But you knew that as well since you've been keeping up with the postings here. Lets see links to those "at least 5 papers." |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: I support the right of property owners to decide who is and who is not allowed to set foot on their property. That includes employers setting conditions for people becoming or remaining employed by them. Do you support the government setting those conditions for employment? |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Pick your poison, make your choices, live your life as you wish. I am not a member of any kind of "side" in this discussion. My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. This would be funny if it wasnt so sad. |
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Originally Posted By ZW17: Do you support the government setting those conditions for employment? Originally Posted By ZW17: Originally Posted By California_Kid: I support the right of property owners to decide who is and who is not allowed to set foot on their property. That includes employers setting conditions for people becoming or remaining employed by them. Do you support the government setting those conditions for employment? Yes, for government jobs. I've worked for companies that do government contracts, and had to submit to some conditions that I thought were silly even when I wasn't working on a government contract. Things like background checks and drug tests. |
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Originally Posted By jaime1982: This would be funny if it wasnt so sad. Originally Posted By jaime1982: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Pick your poison, make your choices, live your life as you wish. I am not a member of any kind of "side" in this discussion. My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. This would be funny if it wasnt so sad. Here's some data from your own state: https://www.dshs.texas.gov/covid-19-coronavirus-disease-2019/covid-19-vaccine-information/covid-19-cases-deaths |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Yes, for government jobs. I've worked for companies that do government contracts, and had to submit to some conditions that I thought were silly even when I wasn't working on a government contract. Things like background checks and drug tests. I don’t agree with you but let’s take it a step further…. Why stop at covid vaccines, why not include other medical conditions? Why not AIDS testing, syphilis testing, or hepatitis vaccines? Why stop at medical conditions? Why not include residence address, sexual preference, or family heath history? All of the above are risk factors in employment, are they not? |
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Originally Posted By ZW17: I don't agree with you but let's take it a step further . Why stop at covid vaccines, why not include other medical conditions? Why not AIDS testing, syphilis testing, or hepatitis vaccines? Why stop at medical conditions? Why not include residence address, sexual preference, or family heath history? All of the above are risk factors in employment, are they not? Originally Posted By ZW17: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Yes, for government jobs. I've worked for companies that do government contracts, and had to submit to some conditions that I thought were silly even when I wasn't working on a government contract. Things like background checks and drug tests. I don't agree with you but let's take it a step further . Why stop at covid vaccines, why not include other medical conditions? Why not AIDS testing, syphilis testing, or hepatitis vaccines? Why stop at medical conditions? Why not include residence address, sexual preference, or family heath history? All of the above are risk factors in employment, are they not? That's a lot of straw you're flinging there, but I wouldn't have a problem with an employer (including government) requiring tests for AIDS or syphilis, or proof of a hepatitis vaccination. If you don't like a requirement for a job, don't apply for it. Many types of employment carry conditions related to a person's health and medical history. You can't get a food-handling certificate without proof of a lot of things including a negative tuberculosis test. I wouldn't have a problem with an employer (including government) requiring tests for AIDS or syphilis, or proof of a hepatitis vaccination. An employer that places unreasonable restrictions on a job will have trouble finding qualified applicants who are willing to accept their conditions. That's how the free market works. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Lets see links to those "at least 5 papers." Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By planemaker: Oh, and FYI, the mRNA shots can and do alter people's DNA thru reverse transcriptase. But, you already knew that. That myth is based on one in vitro study done on a liver cancer cell line. There is zero evidence for reverse transcription happening in vivo. Actually I've read at least 5 papers on the subject. It's a known phenomenon and has been detected in cells from vaccinated blood samples. But you knew that as well since you've been keeping up with the postings here. Lets see links to those "at least 5 papers." You've already seen the links and usually a synopsis/abstract posted just like I have. You can look them up just as easily (or painfully using the crappy search feature here) as I can. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Here's some data from your own state: https://www.dshs.texas.gov/covid-19-coronavirus-disease-2019/covid-19-vaccine-information/covid-19-cases-deaths Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By jaime1982: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Pick your poison, make your choices, live your life as you wish. I am not a member of any kind of "side" in this discussion. My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. This would be funny if it wasnt so sad. Here's some data from your own state: https://www.dshs.texas.gov/covid-19-coronavirus-disease-2019/covid-19-vaccine-information/covid-19-cases-deaths And, as has been posted multiple times, the Texas data is skewed for the same reason most other state's data is skewed. First, "Covid" deaths are deaths which occur after a positive test result, not that the death was the result of the infection. Second, Texas ran a large number of "drive-in" shot distribution sites where ID was not required (the objective was to get even illegals to get the HEGT shots). Third, the method used to determine "vaccination status" was an after-the-fact attempt to match the person's name to what little recorded data base there was on the shots. So, unless you had an exact match on name, DOB, address, etc. then the patient was considered "unvaccinated". In short, the numbers are meaningless to try to determine differences in rates between "unvaccinated" and "unvaccinated but harmed by the HEGT shots". |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Yes, for government jobs. I've worked for companies that do government contracts, and had to submit to some conditions that I thought were silly even when I wasn't working on a government contract. Things like background checks and drug tests. And you think having to take an experimental, non-FDA-approved drug that has been shown to not do what they promoted the same thing? |
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Originally Posted By kerry: And you think having to take an experimental, non-FDA-approved drug that has been shown to not do what they promoted the same thing? Originally Posted By kerry: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Yes, for government jobs. I've worked for companies that do government contracts, and had to submit to some conditions that I thought were silly even when I wasn't working on a government contract. Things like background checks and drug tests. And you think having to take an experimental, non-FDA-approved drug that has been shown to not do what they promoted the same thing? If a job required proof of a particular vaccination that I haven't had and didn't want to take, I wouldn't apply for that job. Just as I would do for any other condition that I didn't want to comply with. You don't have a right to any particular job. No employer has an obligation to hire any particular person. That's how the free market works. |
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Originally Posted By planemaker: Oh, and FYI, the mRNA shots can and do alter people's DNA thru reverse transcriptase. But, you already knew that. You know, the only time I see that guy's posts is when you quote him. LOL. He trusts big pharma and the government way too much for my taste. |
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Originally Posted By planemaker: And, as has been posted multiple times, the Texas data is skewed for the same reason most other state's data is skewed.... Please post some state- or country-level data that you don't regard as "skewed." |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: If a job required proof of a particular vaccination that I haven't had and didn't want to take, I wouldn't apply for that job. What about the millions of people who had already been working there for years before they demanded they take the experimental jab to keep their job? Do you also think that is the same thing as a drug test or background check? |
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Originally Posted By kerry: What about the millions of people who had already been working there for years before they demanded they take the experimental jab to keep their job? Do you also think that is the same thing as a drug test or background check? Originally Posted By kerry: Originally Posted By California_Kid: If a job required proof of a particular vaccination that I haven't had and didn't want to take, I wouldn't apply for that job. What about the millions of people who had already been working there for years before they demanded they take the experimental jab to keep their job? Do you also think that is the same thing as a drug test or background check? I view that question as ridiculous. The vaccines haven't been "experimental" since their Phase 3 clinical trials were completed. And yes, it's pretty much the same thing as a drug test or background check. Maybe someone who uses drugs at home or has a prior conviction for writing bad checks isn't actually a risk for an employer, but employers have a right to impose those conditions. Maybe the notion that a vaccinated person is less likely to transmit a disease to others in his or her proximity is wrong (or not), but property owners, including employers, have a right to decide who can set foot on their property. I'll say it again: You don't have a right to any particular job, and employers don't have an obligation to hire anyone in particular. ETA unless you are working under a solid contract, in most states (including mine) an employer has the right to terminate you at any time without justification. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: I view that question as ridiculous. The vaccines haven't been "experimental" since their Phase 3 clinical trials were completed. And yes, it's pretty much the same thing as a drug test or background check. Interesting that you feel peeing in a cup, or having your criminal background checked is the same thing as having an experimental vaccine, that is immune from liability injected into your vein. 
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Originally Posted By kerry: Interesting that you feel peeing in a cup, or having your criminal background checked is the same thing as having an experimental vaccine, that is immune from liability injected into your vein. Originally Posted By kerry: Originally Posted By California_Kid: I view that question as ridiculous. The vaccines haven't been "experimental" since their Phase 3 clinical trials were completed. And yes, it's pretty much the same thing as a drug test or background check. Interesting that you feel peeing in a cup, or having your criminal background checked is the same thing as having an experimental vaccine, that is immune from liability injected into your vein. The vaccines are NOT "experimental." |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: Vaccinated people consistently have lower rates of diagnosed COVID-19 infections, hospitalizations, and deaths due to COVID-19 than people who are not vaccinated. Data from many countries, and for the USA as a whole as well as US states and counties, prove this is true. Pick your poison, make your choices, live your life as you wish. I am not a member of any kind of "side" in this discussion. My opinion has always been that vaccinations are appropriate for some people, and not for everyone. I am pro-choice on vaccinations of all kinds. Pretty much everything you wrote above is a lie. The very definition of Vaccine was modified to fit this gene therapy. It is poison. * |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: I view that question as ridiculous. The vaccines haven't been "experimental" since their Phase 3 clinical trials were completed. And yes, it's pretty much the same thing as a drug test or background check. Maybe someone who uses drugs at home or has a prior conviction for writing bad checks isn't actually a risk for an employer, but employers have a right to impose those conditions. Maybe the notion that a vaccinated person is less likely to transmit a disease to others in his or her proximity is wrong (or not), but property owners, including employers, have a right to decide who can set foot on their property. I'll say it again: You don't have a right to any particular job, and employers don't have an obligation to hire anyone in particular. ETA unless you are working under a solid contract, in most states (including mine) an employer has the right to terminate you at any time without justification. Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By kerry: Originally Posted By California_Kid: If a job required proof of a particular vaccination that I haven't had and didn't want to take, I wouldn't apply for that job. What about the millions of people who had already been working there for years before they demanded they take the experimental jab to keep their job? Do you also think that is the same thing as a drug test or background check? I view that question as ridiculous. The vaccines haven't been "experimental" since their Phase 3 clinical trials were completed. And yes, it's pretty much the same thing as a drug test or background check. Maybe someone who uses drugs at home or has a prior conviction for writing bad checks isn't actually a risk for an employer, but employers have a right to impose those conditions. Maybe the notion that a vaccinated person is less likely to transmit a disease to others in his or her proximity is wrong (or not), but property owners, including employers, have a right to decide who can set foot on their property. I'll say it again: You don't have a right to any particular job, and employers don't have an obligation to hire anyone in particular. ETA unless you are working under a solid contract, in most states (including mine) an employer has the right to terminate you at any time without justification. Officially, the Phase 3 pfraudulent trials are still underway and won't be "completed" until next year. So, yes, they are experimental. As for jobs, no employer has a right to infringe on the religious beliefs of prospective employees. If, for example, a potential employee has a firm belief that taking the HEGT shots is morally wrong, denying that person a job for failing to take the HEGT shots is illegal. Same goes if they are already working at the firm. Fire them for not taking the poison shots even though they filed a religious exemption, poof, prima facie case for discrimination. Even the shitbirds in Shitcago have been forced to reinstate fired employees *with back pay*. Rights of the employer must be balanced with the rights of current and prospective employees. |
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Originally Posted By California_Kid: If a job required proof of a particular vaccination that I haven't had and didn't want to take, I wouldn't apply for that job. Just as I would do for any other condition that I didn't want to comply with. You don't have a right to any particular job. No employer has an obligation to hire any particular person. That's how the free market works. Originally Posted By California_Kid: Originally Posted By kerry: Originally Posted By California_Kid: Yes, for government jobs. I've worked for companies that do government contracts, and had to submit to some conditions that I thought were silly even when I wasn't working on a government contract. Things like background checks and drug tests. And you think having to take an experimental, non-FDA-approved drug that has been shown to not do what they promoted the same thing? If a job required proof of a particular vaccination that I haven't had and didn't want to take, I wouldn't apply for that job. Just as I would do for any other condition that I didn't want to comply with. You don't have a right to any particular job. No employer has an obligation to hire any particular person. That's how the free market works. When the State or city require the EMPLOYER to check the status of their employee's, I see that as a important distinction. Don't want to apply because of a requirement, I can understand the logic. But when they start requiring the employer to start a new requirement for current or future hire into their business I have issue. |
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Originally Posted By planemaker: ...As for jobs, no employer has a right to infringe on the religious beliefs of prospective employees. If, for example, a potential employee has a firm belief that taking the HEGT shots is morally wrong, denying that person a job for failing to take the HEGT shots is illegal.... I recall a case from New York in which a chef was terminated after his manager found out that the chef's religion required him to cleanse himself after defecating using only his bare left hand, and then rinsing the hand off with some kind of bottled mineral water. The fired chef sued the employer for violating his religious beliefs. He lost. |
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