1983 Jeep Cj5. An ongoing project ( & it just got bigger)( gluten for punishment 11 Jan 2020 ) (Page 2 of 3)
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Originally Posted By Mattgunguy:
Purple and pink. Oddly enough, I like it. |
Originally Posted By Knightzone:
I've got an inch a half guard rail nut on a length of 550 cord. it's not whiz-bang tactical, but one smack in the grape and it's coloring books for christmas.
I've got an inch a half guard rail nut on a length of 550 cord. it's not whiz-bang tactical, but one smack in the grape and it's coloring books for christmas.
So today's fun filled discovery boy & girls, is most likely why the front end likes to wander where the heck ever it wants to when I hit a pebble in the road. What's missing in these two pictures.
I know that the dana 30 in the front came out of a cj7. I do not know if said cj7 was lifted. Measuring off the front of the differential, I've got 3.5° of caster. Give or take .5°, using a phone app here. According to my meanderings of the interwebs today. With 3" of lift, I should be wanting 6° - 8° of caster up front. Soooooo, I picked up some 4° leaf spring shims from a local offroad shop I'd forgotten about. Got new center pins while I was at it. For the $20 it cost, I wont cry if I'm wrong. Shall find out tomorrow. |
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The leaf spring shims helped, but I'm waiting on a drop pitman arm to show up in a few days. My drag link is at a stupid angle and bump steer is an issue. Fix the caster & now I know that wasnt all of it. Good times. In the mean time with nothing mechanical to mess with, started some bodywork. I couldn't stand the roof flashing patch panel no mo. The thing was a massive rust trap. As the pictures show. Gets to repair the inside support while I'm at it. Lucky for me, I'm tooled up for this. Cut out the section of skin I was comfortable with, & pop rivets, & tin flashing, & some inner support, & foam, & hot glue, & bath tub caulking. All I can say is FUCKING WOW!!!I've donr some stupid body repairs, but this was heads & above my most stupid ones. Bought a sheet of 18ga for the body skin & had a few sheets of 14ga I'm going to use for the inner support. I've got the skin patch cut and used the poor man press brake to match the little shoulder on the bottom. Now I've got to cut the repair material for the inner support. Then I'll get to drag out the welder and the spot welder. I'm really hoping that the tongs on my spot welder are long enough to reach. There' were some spot welds holding the skin to the inner support. If not, I've got drill dots and rosettes it shall be. 
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Got stuff welded in but I forgot to take more pictures. Use 14ga for the support thing, and that was just annoying. Kept blowing holes constantly due to rusted out metal. Had to make a backer bar out of some scrap copper. Got the patch panel done up as well & rough ground. Not much point in dolling out until I tackle the floor pan. Shouldn't take much filler when I get to that point. Looks better than the pop riveted flashing. Even with the black primer on top. 
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Since it's getting colder outside, I decided to turn my attention to the heater. Cause ya know, a fogged up / frozen windshield is not a fun thing. Thus far I'd been amazed by the lack of mouse chewed wire with as long as thing sat. Well I finally found em. All the wires, cables, & the heater box itself is chewed up or rusted to a lump of poo. Probably gonna find a rodent cemetary once I get the box off.  Gonna look for an aftermarket heater for a replacement. Something like a Mojave heater that's easy to duct to the windshield diffuser. That is mostly what I care about. |
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I had two CJ7's 1980 and a 1985 Both Straight six.
One was an absolute shit box. I chased alignment problems all over that one. Then I found a really nice 85 that kids had messed with and oil leaks, clutch trashed from oil, One of the kids friends took the distributer bolt out and they cranked it and lost timing. Kids mother made him sell it. Next day I had it running. |
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Originally Posted By PhulesAu:
No Jeep has ever been a big azzed military truck.  
Great project OP, I had a 1980 CJ7 Laredo back in the day. Fun to drive. I had a soft top for summer and a hard top for winter.  
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Originally Posted By Mattgunguy:
Since it's getting colder outside, I decided to turn my attention to the heater. Cause ya know, a fogged up / frozen windshield is not a fun thing. Thus far I'd been amazed by the lack of mouse chewed wire with as long as thing sat. Well I finally found em. All the wires, cables, & the heater box itself is chewed up or rusted to a lump of poo. Probably gonna find a rodent cemetary once I get the box off. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/239279/20191008_175721-1118054.jpg Gonna look for an aftermarket heater for a replacement. Something like a Mojave heater that's easy to duct to the windshield diffuser. That is mostly what I care about. |
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Now that is just a dead sexy M715. Me wants. Me wants. Hadn't heard of the upgrade to the motor. Thanks, may very well go that route instead of replacing the whole thing. My problem is the price of a replacement stock motor. They're stupid pricey for what they are. That blazer motor ain't bad at all, & my heater core is still good. |
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And yesterday's bit of frustration.
Look at this nice new shiny heavy duty double u-joint intermediate shaft. So that I can get rid of the stupid bell connector from the factory shaft. To bad I can't use the damn thing!!! 
Not because it's to long or to short. But because the column isn't even from a Cj. Apparently the Jeep Cherokee column had no need for a splined shaft. Time to source a factory column now as well I suppose, cause I sure as hell ain't spending the money on a aftermarket one. Them be mucho monies. 
I've had old basket case vehicles before, but this shit is getting annoying. |
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Got to go to our yearly off road get together with a bunch of friends over the weekend. The little red jeep ran the same trails as everyone else & I never put it in 4 wheel drive. Wasnt sure about the lunch box locker before, but damn is it ever handy off road. Ain't gotta remember to turn it on. Had a ton of fun, but should've taken more pictures. About a 300 mile round trip. Two of my heathens got to drive a friends M151. Third though, she decided to be a pussy. 
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Originally Posted By alemonkey:
Looks like a fun weekend. I'm thinking of going with a lunch box locker when I build my TJ some day. Seems like a pretty cost effective way of getting a locker. |
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See, you don't need a new engine. I have this weird fascination with straight 6's. When I was a kid we owned 2 Novas with the straight 6. A 75 and 77. The 75 one lasted for supposedly 400K miles. I really don't think it was that much but it was well over 200K. Barely had any body left but the engine wouldn't die. I had a 75 with a straight 6. My Great Uncle was a mechanic and he loved those engines. When I was a teenager I always wished there were more aftermarket parts to soup them up but it wasn't until after I was married that I saw people starting to do stuff to straight 6's. And by then I had no money for a classic car. I know they're not as sexy as a small block but I hear they make for a good engine to offroad because the torque is good. They are smooth, they look cool and I like things different. If I ever redo an old car it's going to have an inline 4 or 6. Well that would be my dream. 
Only problem is my wife really loves old VW buses and bugs and part of me wants to do something she'd like. I actually really don't like German cars, but have to admit some of them pique my interest. I carry a grudge from my Grandpa dieing in France and I also think the more expensive models are all hype. They are expensive to buy, expensive to work on and IMHO not as reliable as other brands. A guy from Church owns a few Mercedes but I think he's done with them because every time something goes on them, which happens a lot more than one would think, a 100 dollar part turns into a 2-5k dollar repair. It's ridiculous. Anyways... I digress. Great project. Thanks for posting and my vote is to keep the 6.  The world doesn't need another straight 6 sitting around cuz someone wanted a small block. 
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John 16:33 In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
See, you don't need a new engine. I have this weird fascination with straight 6's. When I was a kid we owned 2 Novas with the straight 6. A 75 and 77. The 75 one lasted for supposedly 400K miles. I really don't think it was that much but it was well over 200K. Barely had any body left but the engine wouldn't die. I had a 75 with a straight 6. My Great Uncle was a mechanic and he loved those engines. When I was a teenager I always wished there were more aftermarket parts to soup them up but it wasn't until after I was married that I saw people starting to do stuff to straight 6's. And by then I had no money for a classic car. I know they're not as sexy as a small block but I hear they make for a good engine to offroad because the torque is good. They are smooth, they look cool and I like things different. If I ever redo an old car it's going to have an inline 4 or 6. Well that would be my dream.
Only problem is my wife really loves old VW buses and bugs and part of me wants to do something she'd like. I actually really don't like German cars, but have to admit some of them pique my interest. I carry a grudge from my Grandpa dieing in France and I also think the more expensive models are all hype. They are expensive to buy, expensive to work on and IMHO not as reliable as other brands. A guy from Church owns a few Mercedes but I think he's done with them because every time something goes on them, which happens a lot more than one would think, a 100 dollar part turns into a 2-5k dollar repair. It's ridiculous. Anyways... I digress. Great project. Thanks for posting and my vote is to keep the 6. The world doesn't need another straight 6 sitting around cuz someone wanted a small block. |
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Here's a YJ on 3/4 tons. Stock springs /spring over. It has a tpi 350/700r4/dana 300 with 4.10's i the axles. 36" tires. 75 mph is about 2200 rpm. The 14 bolt is bullet proof but weighs a 1/4 ton literally. If I redo it I am going to see if i can source a 9" Ford for the rear, it would cut the axle weight in half. I have gotten out of tne hardcore trail type of wheeling and want to do more sight seeing/camping, although I still want a jeep that is very capable. If it is just your toy I would go with tons and link the rear. The six is a kick ass engine with low enough overall gearing. I have been going up obstacles and had my engine basically stop and fire again when I hit the gas. My cj5 has 90 to 1 reduction in first gear low range. The cj5 wheeling at Ft Hood years ago, it doesn't look that good anymore. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Ef4life:
They work great I run a spartan locker in my 8.8, but if you have a d35 it will eventually break a shaft or worse so don't even waste money on building one. If you have a factory d44 that's great, or save and upgrade to a ford 8.8. Originally Posted By Ef4life:
Originally Posted By alemonkey:
Looks like a fun weekend. I'm thinking of going with a lunch box locker when I build my TJ some day. Seems like a pretty cost effective way of getting a locker. |
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Originally Posted By Mattgunguy: Rest assured, I'll be keeping a straight 6 in it. Dont know if it'll be this one or a stroker. But it'll never be a small block Chevy. I've also got my eye on an older cj5 with the Dauntless V6 in it. Just depends if I can come up with the extra cash for that & fix the trans in this one. It crapped out. Knew it would, but I wish it had waited till after the new year to do it. |
John 16:33 In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
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Originally Posted By JJREA: Ugh. Bummer about the tranny. Sorry to hear. I didn't even realize they put a v-6 in them at any point. The oddfire v6 cj5's are pretty nifty to me. They got a nice rumbling sound due to the firing order. If that deal falls through, I've got something else I've been eyeballing. Damn "shiny" complex. I've got. |
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Knew it was gonna happen eventually. But could have waited. Had to rebuild the damn transmission. Chewed up 1 - 2 slider, reverse idler, worn out synchros. Top it off with a spun bearing in the front. I dont like doing transmission work. I rather hate it, far to easy to screw stuff up. But I sure as hell wasnt paying better than a grand for a shop to do it. So I order my parts, get a a couple tools I didnt have & went to town. The case didnt really look too bad considering the nastiness that was in it. Cleaned it up some more and back together it started to go. Reverse shaft, no problem. Cluster set in. Main shaft rebuilt with new gears and synchros & back in. Then I figured out that I'd forgotten the thrust washers. Back apart with everything again! Good times right there. Trashed the new main bearings getting it back apart. Not the cheapest little bastards. Back together again, with the damn thrust washers this time. Glad I took that new clutch off to inspect the flywheel I did get surfaced the first time around (the flywheel looks great though). Reinstalling the clutch, I noticed one of the fingers wasnt moving at all. Yep, there's the problem the whole time. Damn cheap chineseium part in the clutch snapped & the pressure plate was only 2/3 disengaging. Got the parts store to warranty it. Was only a few months old. Works great now. Scoots down the highway at 70 something. So I didnt "have" to rebuild the trans. But it still needed it. So glad I didnt pay a shop to do it though. 
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Originally Posted By Mattgunguy:
Now that is just a dead sexy M715. Me wants. Me wants. Hadn't heard of the upgrade to the motor. Thanks, may very well go that route instead of replacing the whole thing. My problem is the price of a replacement stock motor. They're stupid pricey for what they are. That blazer motor ain't bad at all, & my heater core is still good. I put many miles on this old girl in the army before they "upgraded" to the iltis (pos) and in the woods or going slow the defrost worked sort of okay but on the road at speed... 
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For fuck's sake. It is possessive. For the sake of fuck.
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Originally Posted By Striker:
you will have better luck defrosting your windshield using a bic lighter then you will with the factory "heater".. I put many miles on this old girl in the army before they "upgraded" to the iltis (pos) and in the woods or going slow the defrost worked sort of okay but on the road at speed... Originally Posted By Striker:
Originally Posted By Mattgunguy:
Hadn't heard of the upgrade to the motor. Thanks, may very well go that route instead of replacing the whole thing. My problem is the price of a replacement stock motor. They're stupid pricey for what they are. That blazer motor ain't bad at all, & my heater core is still good. I put many miles on this old girl in the army before they "upgraded" to the iltis (pos) and in the woods or going slow the defrost worked sort of okay but on the road at speed... |
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Originally Posted By Boomer: I don't know about that Jeep, but in the late 1977 and newer CJs the heater motor upgrade does make a difference and it will keep the windshield defogged and defrosted. Taking the heater box apart to replace the motor is also an opportunity to replace the seals and defroster ducting hose and make sure that the blend door and other controls are working properly. It is definitely a very worthwhile project. even with the canvas on it and doors it wouldn't clear the entire windshield..but it was just an army jeep and we were suppose to be perpetually cold anyway.
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For fuck's sake. It is possessive. For the sake of fuck.
| I have a couple CJ7 projects, an '82 and '85, that I simply can't get motivated to start on. The '85 had a dead 4.2L, so I pulled it with plans on swapping in a 4.0L and AX15. I have a 4.0L that's been machined, cleaned up, and head rebuilt, but I haven't taken the time to actually put it back together. I've had the '82 at least two years, and still haven't even tried to crank it...it had a broken key switch when I bought it, and had been abandoned in a field. Both pans will have to be replaced, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it would crank tomorrow on starter fluid. |
Stuff I learned from A-Team: 1)Always pity da fool 2)Carry wire cutters (you may need to defuse a bomb or start a car) 3)Never trust a crazy fool 4)Carry grenade launcher/machine guns in the van 5)Know how to weld 6)Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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Heater is in. Got it mostly installed. Needs some ducting as yet, but the damn thing will just about roast you out. Tried it last night when it was 20ish degrees out. So that's a win.
Then I was bored today & adapted the M105 to hook to a regular ball. I ain't got nothing with a pintle hitch anymore & $50 bucks for a coupler & some wiring is cheaper than building another trailer. Ok, so I used some 3/8" x 5" x 5" square tube. But I had 20' of that lying around & needing a use. Pulls good though. Jeeps needs new shocks in the rear. To broke for that right now unfortunately. I'm wondering if the 69 will fit in the m105. 
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Originally Posted By Boomer:
I can’t believe that CJ5 isn’t popping a wheelie with that trailer hooked up. |
"with a Big Iron on his hip" - Marty Robbins
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Originally Posted By Mattgunguy:
Honestly, they ain't very heavy & are pretty well balanced. Originally Posted By Mattgunguy:
Originally Posted By Boomer:
I can’t believe that CJ5 isn’t popping a wheelie with that trailer hooked up. Originally Posted By Forest:
IIRC Those trailers are about 1500lbs dry weight (the M416s are much lighter), so empty it's within the capability of a stock CJ/Wrangler 2 door. |
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And for the first real addition to the 69. My buddy who I did the trade with for the 83 works at a old school army / navy store. Asked him where to look for a original style soft top, because he's a pretty knowledgeable guy about jeeps. He comes back with that his boss has a NOS M38a1 soft top & a good condition arctic hard top with the doos & a windshield frame. Stupidly cheap. They're now spoken for & I'll be making a little drive here soon. Well, its ain't exactly a little drive. Even the wife is stoked. This has become "HER JEEP". She may not be able to weld or do bodywork, but she'll happily drag all of her 100 pounds out to help with tearing down the motor, pulling axles, & whatever else she can do. Got to love a woman who ain't scared to pack bearings & replace seals. 
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Originally Posted By Mattgunguy:
And yet more broken shit. It just keeps adding up. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/239279/Resized_20190924_184108-1102826.jpg 
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This ain't my fault. This was all my wife's doing. Wednesday she was at the house & an older gentleman knocked the door. Said he'd seen me working on the jeeps, or army trucks & had some old trucks he wanted to show us. She wouldn't tell me what was up when she picked me up from work. Damn hussy. She's a fiend for old trucks. So thanks to her, we've now got a pair of 1959 Ford F100's. For the princely sum of $500, with good titles. The green has the factory 292 Y block, with a 3 on the tree. The red & white one was originally a inline 6, but now has a 302 with an automatic behind it. Maybe a C4 or FMX, dont know yet. The red & white one may become a 4x4 in the end. I've got a 79 ford 3/4 ton 4x4 frame & axles sitting out back. Frames toast, but the dana 60 & leaf sprung high pinion dana 44 are still good. And I also get to drag home most of an 80 something bronco. Which has a junk 302 with a 5 speed & t-case behind it. It was free, so whatever. The green truck has been claimed by the wife. So it'll get attention first. Its essentially stock. They've both been sitting in a barn for the last few decades. So they aren't all rusted out amazingly. Some bodywork work, but they're both pretty damn straight. Gonna drag everything home tomorrow, was snowing today. But they're maybe a mile from home :) 
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Been to damn cold to do much & my little fab shop has has kept me busy. But I've gotten the red / white truck running off of a bottle & stated cleaning up the 3/4 ton axles. Bought a flat bed for a song to put on my little 4x4 project. Got tire put on the greenish truck. New good years (Amazon folks, its amazingly cheap for tires) & hope to get that one running this weekend.
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