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Quoted: Enough water can actually kill you in this kind of situation, by further lowering electrolyte concentration. This is the best electrolyte product I've tried. Has both sodium and potassium salt, along with a little magnesium and calcium and the right amount of sugar for fast absorption. https://vitalyte.com/ Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spent Monday and Tuesday out all day. I slammed water both days but Wednesday at my doctor appointment they couldn't get blood. I’ve told my heat exhaustion story. It’s not just water. You need salts. You sweat out all your salts, water isn’t enough. Your nerves, heart, muscles, everything need those salts (electrolytes) Enough water can actually kill you in this kind of situation, by further lowering electrolyte concentration. This is the best electrolyte product I've tried. Has both sodium and potassium salt, along with a little magnesium and calcium and the right amount of sugar for fast absorption. https://vitalyte.com/ That’s what happened to me in my heat exhaustion. I was pounding water constantly. But I sweat out all my salts. It affects your heart, nerves, muscles…everything. Since then that’s why we keep the liquidIV in the house. At the first sign of trouble get those salts in you, lots of them. |
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I hated the taste of gatorade until the derecho in 2020 when I was doing 4-6 hours a day running a chainsaw. bought cases of it, slammed it warm from the car. tried it cold, just caused stomach cramps. when I was club roadracing motorcycles in my 30s I would slam a gallon of water after each track session. had a friend whose gf had to be driven to the er on two different weekends because of dehydration. some people just don't learn. |
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Quoted: Thermotabs go everywhere I go. Exactly. Army provided these to us when we were training in the summer in the South back in the early 70's. They were a life saver! Then, suddenly, the NCO came in and said "No More Thermotabs, they are bad for you!" WTF??? I figured out later that was back when they started the big Blood Pressure Testing push and "conventional wisdom" suggested salt was bad for you. We really noticed it when we didn't have them. ETA: The first chance I had to get off base, I went and bought some. Shared them. Kept going.... OP, note the reference to muscle cramps on the bottle: 
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Quoted: Had an incident just yesterday. My boat needed to go to the shop, and my neighbor gave me a tow with his jet ski to the closest ramp to take it out. We were at the dock waiting for someone else to bring the truck and trailer to the ramp. He wasn’t wearing a hat, and it was damn hot and humid. I offered him some water and suggested he get on my boat and get under the roof to get out of the sun. He did, but it must have been too late, as he started getting nauseaus and feeling really unsteady. We poured water on him and kept him out of the sun. It was several minutes before he felt well enough to get up and get into the truck with AC blowing on him. After several more minutes, he felt better. Drove him home in the truck and someone else took his jet ski back. That shit can sneak up on you quick. Scared the crap out of us. Be safe out there! With my heat exhaustion and also with wife today…. It happens real fucking fast. Like 10 minutes to “I’m in real trouble here if I don’t act now!” |
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BTDT Back in my running days, out for a routine run weather wasn’t notably warm. Drank all my water quicker than normal. Stopped by a park with a water fountain…couldn’t drink enough water to satisfy thirst. Knew I shouldn’t just drink that much water. Was feeling horrible so I cut the run short I headed straight home. Rested at another park, laid down on a picnic table and realized I might be in trouble. Death marched to my house and collapsed on the floor with every muscle in my legs and butt cramped up. Sports drinks slowly revived me. Scary, no idea why it hit me like this at this time. There was no obvious factors and the weather/distance, etc was fairly mundane. After that I always carried some electrolyte tablets. |
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Quoted: It happens real fucking fast. Like 10 minutes to “I’m in real trouble here if I don’t act now!” Quoted: It happens real fucking fast. Like 10 minutes to “I’m in real trouble here if I don’t act now!” It does, BTDT, too many times. Really screwed if you're by yourself and don't have things close at hand. Quoted: Preparation is key too. If you are planning to be out in the heat, increase your hydration beforehand as well. Pregaming is huge. If you're going out into the heat, get an electrolyte drink onboard first, helps a lot. |
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Quoted: You have liquidIV? Quoted: You have liquidIV? It's a brand name of an electrolyte water additive. Quoted: It’s why we keep it in the house. In a pinch slamming 3-4 gatorades work as well. Try some of those Vitalyte packets. There is one downside to Vitalyte. It has sugar and no preservatives, you can't mix it up too far ahead of time or it will go sour. It goes sour pretty quickly without refrigeration. I used to get the Lemon flavor but it has almost no color, so a water bottle with it mixed in is almost indistinguishable from plain water. |
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I need to get some Gatorade or some other brand of electrolyte drink mix packs to keep on my boat. ETA: Ordered some DripDrop packets. I often take a little cooler of water and other drinks out on the boat, but I don’t often have things like Gatorade at home. I’ll keep some in the house for use after yardwork too if I don’t happen to have anything else handy. I have sometimes just tossed a pinch of salt into some water or sipped some pickle juice. |
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I’m going to look into the vitalyte. I spend 10-12 hours a day out in the South Texas heat. 12oz Gatorade at breakfast, another bottle of water when I get my shop open. Load up chainsaws and power pruners. Drive to the brush I’m clearing and another bottle of water. Repeat as needed. Usually 12-15 bottles of water and four Gatorades each day. Frog toggs neck wrap too. And the real heat hasn’t hit yet this year. Last year I felt a little dizzy when I was swapping chains on the saws. Looked at the temp and it was 109deg out with high humidity. News reported heat index of 125. So vitalyte is probably a good idea. |
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Quoted: I am seeing an odd trend recently where several of the women that I know have told me that they don't want to drink anything because they don't want to have to go pee. My own mother literally told me that (while she was in the ER for severe dehydration so bad it was messing with her kidneys.) Since when has the fear, the outright terror of urinating started to overshadow their actual health? PSA Guys, make sure your women are taking in proper fluids when they are in the heat and don't accept a lame, fake "I'm not thirsty." Yeah, that is a very bad habit, and I believe it also will tend to greatly increase the risk of kidney stones. |
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Quoted: BTDT Back in my running days, out for a routine run weather wasn’t notably warm. Drank all my water quicker than normal. Stopped by a park with a water fountain…couldn’t drink enough water to satisfy thirst. Knew I shouldn’t just drink that much water. Was feeling horrible so I cut the run short I headed straight home. Rested at another park, laid down on a picnic table and realized I might be in trouble. Death marched to my house and collapsed on the floor with every muscle in my legs and butt cramped up. Sports drinks slowly revived me. Scary, no idea why it hit me like this at this time. There was no obvious factors and the weather/distance, etc was fairly mundane. After that I always carried some electrolyte tablets. If your minerals (salt, potassium, etc.) are depleted, all you do by drinking plain water is to wash even more of them out of your system, making matters worse. Dehydration and mineral depletion are related, but rehydration without the minerals will not solve the problem; neither will minerals without water. |
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| If you’re going to be working outdoors in the heat, a cooling vest makes a huge difference. Basically a vest you wear over your clothes that has pockets all over it that you slide ice packs into. I just keep the whole vest in the freezer and pull it out when I want to wear it. I put it back in the freezer to recharge it. |
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Quoted: I spent Monday and Tuesday out all day. I slammed water both days but Wednesday at my doctor appointment they couldn't get blood. Water won’t do it I work all day on my property and put away 64 ounces of fluid replacement drink and a lot of water I also get ahead by downing 24 oz of Roctane before I start |
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I used to shoot NRA high power back in the day. We had a state regional match in July. It was so ridiculously hot. I was wearing a t-shirt, a sweat shirt and my cordura shooting jacket over the sweat shirt. The guy I was squadded up with was having a hard time in the pits, several people were tbh, probably just from being hot and tired. The officials on the line kept radioing down to the pits, "speed up service on target 'x'" throughout the day. The group I was on was the last one of the day, and I had underestimated just how hot it is and how I was doing with my hydration. I only had to pee like once all day that day. It was really hot but I noticed I wasn't sweating all that much. The last string of fire is slow fire prone at 600, after we were done and the line called safe, I got on my knees and stripped my jacket and sweat shirt off, went to stand up and fell right back down. Other shooters beside me weren't doing all that well either, lots of dudes sprawled out on the ground or in the shade on the bleachers looking very pale and pathetic. It took me about 20-30 minutes just sitting there on the ground, sipping water trying to collect myself before I could pick myself and limp over to my pickup, where I sat with the A/C running for another half hour or so before I could drive myself home. The match officials were going around checking on everyone, there were a lot of heat casualties that day. It's no fun, heat stroke or heat exhaustion sucks super hard. |
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Quoted: quite the edit. hopefully you learned something. Quoted: Quoted: Keep watching her and keep hydrating. Dehydration can cause blood clots, stoke, etc. Glad she’s feeling better. quite the edit. hopefully you learned something. Quite the edit?  What’s your other screenname?  Edit was - I was asking what LiquidIV is, but then I just googled it. |
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I had an incident a couple of years ago. I had been working out in the yard (Florida/summer), outside the fence, at the furthest point from the gate... of course. I was fine until all the sudden I wasn't. My vision started going, dizzy, weak and I really couldn't think well. I knew I was in trouble so I made goals for myself. Just make it to the gate, then just make it to the garage, then into the house. I called hubby and he said go get in the shower right now, just leave your clothes and shoes on (he didn't want me to take the time to undress) turn the shower on cold and just sit under the shower. It made me feel better pretty quick... better, not great. Then I drank some Gatorade and ice water. It took awhile to really recover from that. I knew I was staggering like I was drunk, but I couldn't do anything about it. So strange. |
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Quoted: Preparation is key too. If you are planning to be out in the heat, increase your hydration beforehand as well. Liquid IV is some good stuff, I like the sugar free ones. You actually absorb the electrolytes better with sugar. There's a sodium-glucose transporter protein in your gut that actually needs the glucose to work (obviously other ways, buy FYI). Caveat, most of what I have read is in diarrhea patients, not heat patients. @1AEGW |
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Quoted: That's what happened to me in my heat exhaustion. I was pounding water constantly. But I sweat out all my salts. It affects your heart, nerves, muscles everything. Since then that's why we keep the liquidIV in the house. At the first sign of trouble get those salts in you, lots of them. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I spent Monday and Tuesday out all day. I slammed water both days but Wednesday at my doctor appointment they couldn't get blood. I've told my heat exhaustion story. It's not just water. You need salts. You sweat out all your salts, water isn't enough. Your nerves, heart, muscles, everything need those salts (electrolytes) Enough water can actually kill you in this kind of situation, by further lowering electrolyte concentration. This is the best electrolyte product I've tried. Has both sodium and potassium salt, along with a little magnesium and calcium and the right amount of sugar for fast absorption. https://vitalyte.com/ That's what happened to me in my heat exhaustion. I was pounding water constantly. But I sweat out all my salts. It affects your heart, nerves, muscles everything. Since then that's why we keep the liquidIV in the house. At the first sign of trouble get those salts in you, lots of them. Riding motorcycles in the Arkansas summer requires alternating a bottle of water with a bottle of liquid IV about every 30 minutes to an hour. |
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Quoted: Quite the edit? What’s your other screenname? Edit was - I was asking what LiquidIV is, but then I just googled it. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Keep watching her and keep hydrating. Dehydration can cause blood clots, stoke, etc. Glad she’s feeling better. quite the edit. hopefully you learned something. Quite the edit? What’s your other screenname? Edit was - I was asking what LiquidIV is, but then I just googled it. That's what you're claiming your edit was? L O FUCKING L The bottom line is the electrolyte packets work awesome, OP's wife is okay because of them. And hopefully you did learn something. And I don't have another name, sorry to disappoint. |
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't OP's wife some kinda doctor? Just goes to show if she is you can be smart and know but still ignore your body. Having roofed as a residential roofing contractor in Central California for 30 years, I know a thing or 2 about staying hydrated. |
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Quoted: If you start heat and humidity exposure not well hydrated, you won't be able drink enough water (and your body to process it) to rehydrate. You have to go in well hydrated a d thenbtry to maintain hydration. Quoted: Quoted: I am seeing an odd trend recently where several of the women that I know have told me that they don't want to drink anything because they don't want to have to go pee. My own mother literally told me that (while she was in the ER for severe dehydration so bad it was messing with her kidneys.) Since when has the fear, the outright terror of urinating started to overshadow their actual health? PSA Guys, make sure your women are taking in proper fluids when they are in the heat and don't accept a lame, fake "I'm not thirsty." If you start heat and humidity exposure not well hydrated, you won't be able drink enough water (and your body to process it) to rehydrate. You have to go in well hydrated a d thenbtry to maintain hydration. Yeah, I start pregaming about an 1hr before I go work out in the heat. |
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Quoted: Silver bullet or IO is a fun party trick Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I keep a banana bag and an IV kit at the house for such emergencies. The real trick is getting one started on someone who is that dehydrated.  Keep a central line kit on hand. No problem. Good point about Silver Bullet hydration as some people get very nauseous when dehydrated and then difficult to hydrate orally! |
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While this may seem to be an odd thread for it, it’s something to seriously consider, for folks who will be exerting themselves especially in high heat environments; https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18838842/ *** You can find many studies performed on the effects of glycerol for hyperhydration 30-60 minutes PRIOR to intense physical activity. It’s not as effective for rehydration, as a good ORS needs minimal ingredients, for better/faster absorption. |
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This exact thing happened to me on summer day in my 20's. i rode competitive mountain biking and was on a very technical course. I just didn't stop to hit the water bladder like I should have and when I finally got done with the race, it was pretty much over. It felt a bit like altitude sickness - nausea, other stomach issues, muscles cramping, confusion, headache, weakness.....if a buddy hadn't given me his liquid IV and a chocolate pudding pop (yep - a pudding pop), I think I would have been a goner. |
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Quoted: Saltwater with awful taste. Try something a little more appealing so you can actually drink enough of it to make a difference. You also need potassium, magnesium and calcium which isn't in there. Quoted: Quoted: Pickle juice Saltwater with awful taste. Try something a little more appealing so you can actually drink enough of it to make a difference. You also need potassium, magnesium and calcium which isn't in there. The pickle juice isn’t for rehydration OR electrolytes/salts. It’s to stop the cramping. Some doctors who were also avid kayakers had severe muscle cramps while kayaking, and started looking into muscle cramps. They found a lot of anecdotal recommendations for pickle juice and/or mustard to stop muscle cramps. When they tried it on themselves, they discovered that it works, and stops the cramping very quickly (within 1-5 minutes). They reasoned that there’s simply no way that it was from any nutrient absorption in such a short timeframe. What they discovered was that regardless of the underlying cause of muscle cramps (dehydration, electrolyte imbalance, medical issues etc.), when the cramps begin, in a nutshell, the nervous system is triggering uncontrolled impulses to contract those muscles. The reason pickle juice or mustard stops the cramping, is literally a nervous system reset. There are receptors at the back of the tongue, that when hit with intensely bitter/pungent flavors, shock the nervous system and trigger the reset, so you don’t get the continuous firing causing the cramping. For those of you folks who suffer from leg cramps at night etc. pickle juice or mustard will make the cramps stop in 60 seconds to 5 minutes. There’s a product made with this in mind, called HotShot. Tastes like crap (how I’d imagine spicy soap water would taste), but it works. So does pickle juice, or a packet of mustard. If the underlying cause is still there, the cramps will return, though”, but the nervous reset gives you the opportunity to rehydrate etc. without the agony of continued cramping. |
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Quoted: You actually absorb the electrolytes better with sugar. There's a sodium-glucose transporter protein in your gut that actually needs the glucose to work (obviously other ways, buy FYI). Caveat, most of what I have read is in diarrhea patients, not heat patients. @1AEGW Quoted: Quoted: Preparation is key too. If you are planning to be out in the heat, increase your hydration beforehand as well. Liquid IV is some good stuff, I like the sugar free ones. You actually absorb the electrolytes better with sugar. There's a sodium-glucose transporter protein in your gut that actually needs the glucose to work (obviously other ways, buy FYI). Caveat, most of what I have read is in diarrhea patients, not heat patients. @1AEGW It still holds true with heat/dehydration. ORSs are more effective with the RIGHT ratio of sugars (and the type of sugar matters). In the other thread, I highly recommend Cera products. Tested and issued by our military, with multiple NSNs for their products. https://ceraproductsinc.com/collections/ceralyte Why you WANT the right amount and kind of sugars in your ORS |
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Quoted: If you’re going to be working outdoors in the heat, a cooling vest makes a huge difference. Basically a vest you wear over your clothes that has pockets all over it that you slide ice packs into. I just keep the whole vest in the freezer and pull it out when I want to wear it. I put it back in the freezer to recharge it. Ordered the ingredients to test this. I’m a science nerd/fan.  DIY Supermaterial Could Save You From Heatstroke: Salt based PCMs If as he claims, this stuff continues working for hours, this could be huge. *** 65f phase change, that can be recharged in front of an a/c vent, or simply laying it on the cold concrete in the basement. *** scientific testing has shown that cool temperatures are better for cooling the body, than cold. Too cold, and the body’s natural response is vasoconstriction of the capillaries = less blood flow to the skin, and lower thermal transfer. Slightly cool = capillaries don’t experience vasoconstriction, and you have better thermal transfer. If this material actually works as he claims, a great option would be soaking a towel in the stuff, and putting it in some kind of rolled bag to wrap around your neck. Cooling the neck, cools the bloodflow to the head, and rest of the body. That coupled with a cooling vest, could be a big difference to warding off heatstroke (especially in high humidity areas, where evaporation of sweat isn’t functioning optimally). |
| When I start getting too hot I get shaky and get an instant headache. I know it's time to stop whatever I'm doing and go inside and cool down. The problem is I'm too damn stubborn and want to finish whatever I'm doing. I HATE having to stop in the middle of something. So then I have to force myself to go inside and cool off before I wind up passed out in the middle of the yard...or worse. I also tend to not drink a lot of liquids when I'm outside working. Which is equally stupid. |
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Quoted: Surprised OP didn't use the training opportunity https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/51af14e4e4b08dce860cec82/1415547107143-CUV5391XFJBW7IHWPG4B/Proctoclysis+logo.png?format=750w There's no way I would have made it through jump school without cerasport endurance. Sadly it's not on their site and they're OOS of EX1 Quoted: Surprised OP didn't use the training opportunity https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/51af14e4e4b08dce860cec82/1415547107143-CUV5391XFJBW7IHWPG4B/Proctoclysis+logo.png?format=750w Quoted: I highly recommend Cera products. There's no way I would have made it through jump school without cerasport endurance. Sadly it's not on their site and they're OOS of EX1 Yeah. They’ve been out of EX1 for some time. Makes me wonder if everything has been assigned for a large .gov order? Lucky for me, every time I get a 40% off coupon, I order another box of 100, so I still have a decent stash of EX1 and Ceralyte 70. |
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Quoted: She came home from playing 1.5 hr of tennis in dangerous heat. She did the same yesterday. Her hand was locked up, she couldn’t stand, cramping all over. Shit. She’s in real trouble. Had her slam a few liquidIV. I was this close to taking her to ER for banana bag. Electrolytes/salts. It’s what bodies crave. Stay careful in this heat, it hit her quick. Mid 50s I’m a tennis player too but I’ve also spent the last 25 years working outside and in attics in extreme heat. Once you know how to feed and hydrate your body the heat becomes your strength during recreation level athletic competition Too many adults think they can show up for a match in 105 degree temps and drink a Gatorade and eat a banana before the match and be good. |
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Quoted: Yeah. They’ve been out of EX1 for some time. Makes me wonder if everything has been assigned for a large .gov order? Lucky for me, every time I get a 40% off coupon, I order another box of 100, so I still have a decent stash of EX1 and Ceralyte 70. Quoted: Quoted: Surprised OP didn't use the training opportunity https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/51af14e4e4b08dce860cec82/1415547107143-CUV5391XFJBW7IHWPG4B/Proctoclysis+logo.png?format=750w Quoted: I highly recommend Cera products. There's no way I would have made it through jump school without cerasport endurance. Sadly it's not on their site and they're OOS of EX1 Yeah. They’ve been out of EX1 for some time. Makes me wonder if everything has been assigned for a large .gov order? Lucky for me, every time I get a 40% off coupon, I order another box of 100, so I still have a decent stash of EX1 and Ceralyte 70. I assume they're filling large orders for all of the rally's leading up to November. It's too hot in FL to train without it so I've refrained from pushing myself too hard in the heat until I can get some more. |
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Quoted: It's a brand name of an electrolyte water additive. Try some of those Vitalyte packets. There is one downside to Vitalyte. It has sugar and no preservatives, you can't mix it up too far ahead of time or it will go sour. It goes sour pretty quickly without refrigeration. I used to get the Lemon flavor but it has almost no color, so a water bottle with it mixed in is almost indistinguishable from plain water. Quoted: Quoted: You have liquidIV? It's a brand name of an electrolyte water additive. Quoted: It’s why we keep it in the house. In a pinch slamming 3-4 gatorades work as well. Try some of those Vitalyte packets. There is one downside to Vitalyte. It has sugar and no preservatives, you can't mix it up too far ahead of time or it will go sour. It goes sour pretty quickly without refrigeration. I used to get the Lemon flavor but it has almost no color, so a water bottle with it mixed in is almost indistinguishable from plain water. Ah! OK thanks. Because an actual IV is some next level shit that can go bad wrong if you don't know what you're doing! So I was like.. damn some folks take ot to the next level. |
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Quoted: I’m a tennis player too but I’ve also spent the last 25 years working outside and in attics in extreme heat. Once you know how to feed and hydrate your body the heat becomes your strength during recreation level athletic competition Too many adults think they can show up for a match in 105 degree temps and drink a Gatorade and eat a banana before the match and be good. Quoted: Quoted: She came home from playing 1.5 hr of tennis in dangerous heat. She did the same yesterday. Her hand was locked up, she couldn’t stand, cramping all over. Shit. She’s in real trouble. Had her slam a few liquidIV. I was this close to taking her to ER for banana bag. Electrolytes/salts. It’s what bodies crave. Stay careful in this heat, it hit her quick. Mid 50s I’m a tennis player too but I’ve also spent the last 25 years working outside and in attics in extreme heat. Once you know how to feed and hydrate your body the heat becomes your strength during recreation level athletic competition Too many adults think they can show up for a match in 105 degree temps and drink a Gatorade and eat a banana before the match and be good. I agree. At mid 50s she’s in great shape. Works out everyday. She can run circles around women in their late 30s/early 40s. Her cardio vs zombies she’s gonna win. She got bit. It happens. Pushed herself way too hard in punishing temps. It wasn’t just today that put her in trouble. Yesterday started it. |