[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Toyota Tundra and Lexus LX600 Engine replacement recall 100,000+ units (Page 2 of 8)
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Quoted: Their v6 and v8 are great. This 4cyl turbo nonsense because of .gov is a joke. The motor in gmc trucks was junk before they put a turbo on it and its junk still. Small displacement gasoline + boost in a heavy vehicle is a fail every time. What engine did GMC add a turbo to that wasn’t designed from the ground up as a turbocharged engine? Hint. There isn’t one. You have no idea what you are talking about. |
| I own two Toyotas and am happy . My brother has a brand new F-350 that is currently 10 days old without working AC and a backordered AC compressor. He sold his old F-250 and now Ford has made him regret that decision. 10 days and he is riding with a box fan plugged into the 120 volt outlet. |
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Quoted: Toyota never was what their fan boys made them out to be. Attached File |
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Quoted: Many gather here to worship daily.  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/88366/OIG2_yb_mIsM6D8bSh-3277272.jpg Fake news, no 4Runner parked out front… |
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Quoted: They are but gov intervention is what it boils down to. Gov wants certain mpg’s so they had to stray away from what they knew to new tech. I mean the 4.0 was going on 20 years since it came out and the v8’s too. I've got 2 = 4 runners. One is 2003 with the 4.7/auto. 230,000 miles The other is a 2007 with the 4.7/auto, 150,000 miles. Bullet proof. |
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I'm from a Honda family. How the hell did they fall behind Kia and Hyundai? 
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Quoted: Or until the cam towers start leaking or the valley plate seal fails  Cam tower seals (and the plate, maybe?) were, according to a former tower assembler, a result of employees doing the assembly and failing to clean the sealing surfaces with alcohol prior to applying the sealant. |
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Quoted: They are but gov intervention is what it boils down to. Gov wants certain mpg’s so they had to stray away from what they knew to new tech. I mean the 4.0 was going on 20 years since it came out and the v8’s too. Our "21" works fine as does our Made In Japan 4 Runner |
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Quoted: https://i.ibb.co/56BGwWK/IMG-6738.webp I own (1) Toyota and (1) Lexus… ‘04 Tacoma @ 450k ‘06 LX470 @ 300k Both still run great and have the original engine and transmission. Neither have ever needed anything beyond preventative maintenance and replacement of wear items. The current Toyota issues are a product of government regulation more than anything else. Toyota’s last two production v8 engines for full-size vehicles (4.7 2UZ and 5.7 3UR) are arguably the two best V8 engines ever produced in terms of reliability and longevity. Thank government regulation for forcing Toyota to replace them with high stress turbo engines. You cannot defeat the laws of physics. Quoted: Quoted: Toyota never was what their fan boys made them out to be. https://i.ibb.co/56BGwWK/IMG-6738.webp I own (1) Toyota and (1) Lexus… ‘04 Tacoma @ 450k ‘06 LX470 @ 300k Both still run great and have the original engine and transmission. Neither have ever needed anything beyond preventative maintenance and replacement of wear items. The current Toyota issues are a product of government regulation more than anything else. Toyota’s last two production v8 engines for full-size vehicles (4.7 2UZ and 5.7 3UR) are arguably the two best V8 engines ever produced in terms of reliability and longevity. Thank government regulation for forcing Toyota to replace them with high stress turbo engines. You cannot defeat the laws of physics. The guy you quoted is right. Toyota has been coasting on the reputation of their old pickup which only got that reputation because it was bare bones and cheap so people bought it and the aftermarket followed. Even the 3.0V6 in it was so bad it killed sales of 3.0V6 engines in other brands. I'm glad you've gotten a few miles from a couple Toyotas. My family is currently at 485,000 trouble free miles between two Audis. One of the Audis has 270,000 miles on the original clutch. Both have been just as reliable as my old Nissan hardbody and more reliable than the Toyotas and Hondas we have owned. I like Toyota of 1989 and won't touch anything T100 or newer. Even the previous gen Tacoma was a mess. Shitty tcu programming in the auto and a disasterous and useless power band in the available motors that made power on paper and not where it is useful. Add to it fat whale handling as the body floated around with nowhere near enough damping. The the cheap shitty plastic everywhere in the interior. An unpleasant vehicle to be in. Nissan did better interiors in the 80s. |
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Quoted: Not so much. There are tons of high mileage American cars and trucks on the road. But enjoy your Kool-Aid. Toyota doesn’t have a monopoly on making reliable vehicles. Quoted: Quoted: Yes, they were. Data and facts make you look foolish. Not so much. There are tons of high mileage American cars and trucks on the road. But enjoy your Kool-Aid. Toyota doesn’t have a monopoly on making reliable vehicles. I don't own a Toyota. But I know how to read published reliability data. We did not consider the Toyota in a recent purchase, due to the fact they switched the lineup to a turbocharged 4cyl, which I do not trust as a 10-15 year vehicle until I see more data. |
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Quoted: Many gather here to worship daily. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/88366/OIG2_yb_mIsM6D8bSh-3277272.jpg TOYOTTA? |
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Quoted: Cam tower seals (and the plate, maybe?) were, according to a former tower assembler, a result of employees doing the assembly and failing to clean the sealing surfaces with alcohol prior to applying the sealant. Quoted: Quoted: Or until the cam towers start leaking or the valley plate seal fails Cam tower seals (and the plate, maybe?) were, according to a former tower assembler, a result of employees doing the assembly and failing to clean the sealing surfaces with alcohol prior to applying the sealant. There's been a number of process changes in response, so it's likely varied reasons. This is not the first valley plate design that has an incidence of failure tho. The 3MZ-FE, but in the States at least doesn't seem to have the propensity seen with the URs. @trails-end I'm sorry if I created anxiety. As an owner of a passel of various URs, including 5.7s, many well past. 200k, the reality is, it's likely coming. Tho later prod seems to lower incidence. But I hope you avoid any issues, live a long happy life and die with the truck fully operational. |
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Quoted: https://i.ibb.co/56BGwWK/IMG-6738.webp I own (1) Toyota and (1) Lexus… ‘04 Tacoma @ 450k ‘06 LX470 @ 300k Both still run great and have the original engine and transmission. Neither have ever needed anything beyond preventative maintenance and replacement of wear items. The current Toyota issues are a product of government regulation more than anything else. Toyota’s last two production v8 engines for full-size vehicles (4.7 2UZ and 5.7 3UR) are arguably the two best V8 engines ever produced in terms of reliability and longevity. Thank government regulation for forcing Toyota to replace them with high stress turbo engines. You cannot defeat the laws of physics. No offense intended. Have you looked at the methodology behind the JD rankings? Or do you strictly look at the summary and conclusions that JD derived from their study and their methodology? |
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Quoted: My nieces fianc has a 2024 Tundra and she said the best she can do is 18 MPG. I was getting 17 with my 2019 Tundra with the 5.7L engine. So all I this bullshit design changes for 1 MPG . Attached File  |
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Quoted: My nieces fiancé has a 2024 Tundra and she said the best she can do is 18 MPG. I was getting 17 with my 2019 Tundra with the 5.7L engine. So all I this bullshit design changes for 1 MPG I am a Toyota man but they missed the boat on this one. I have a ‘21 V8 and I agree. What I’ve read is that the turbo engines do really well on the government designed test courses. So that’s why their real world mileage doesn’t come close to their EPA rated MPG. Even if it’s just a few MPG, they look at it as a significant improvement across a large fleet. Trump needs to dump CAFE and gut the EPA. I bought a new 4Runner TRD last year and that may be my last new Toyota ever. Bittersweet! |
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Quoted: So does this move Toyota back above GM for most recalls? Attached File No |
| Not sure why we just can't agree that pretty much all trucks/cars since COVID are garbage. I'm in the market and researching many manufacturer's and it just seems a large number of them have engine problems and if not the engine many other problems. I thought it was just a COVID thing and it would be better by now but that doesn't seem to be the case. I am no brand loyalist so looking across the spectrum. |
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I'd want my money back, not an engine replacement, fuck that. I've been watching the Taco groups. Leaking A/C, crappy paint, knobs and switches falling off, wind noise, seats that move on their own overnight, and the other issues mentioned. On top of that, the new Toyotas are nanny monsters. I'm not even going to get into the tiny fuel tanks. For all it's issues, I'll give Ford one thing, you can Forscan all the nanny shit out of your vehicle*. My F150 is as quiet as a church mouse. *That may have gotten, or be more difficult in the future. I may start looking for a LC200 again. |
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I drove a 94 Toyota 4x4 for 24 yrs, yet the most reliable car I have owned was a 2003 Chevy Tahoe my wife got used in 2008. Maintenance wise it was more reliable than the Toyota. Then again the 94 Toyota had been totaled, stuck in a lake with water to the steering wheel  POS Toyota used oil after that, then my son drove it for seven months without changing or adding oil while I was in Afghanistan. This destroyed engine #1. We install new engine with his car money. Two years later bad timing chain guide let's the timing chain eat a hole in the front cover and water gets in the oil. Tear apart the engine and overhauled it in three days. Drove it another six years until it just quit running one night in 2018. The Toyota was abused vs how well the Tahoe was taken care of. It taught three kids how to drive a stick and everyone of them left a dent or two in it. Major things replaced one engine one bed hood fended two front bumpers two grilles transmission two ac units one radiator windshield (got mad and punched it)  |
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Quoted: Not sure why we just can't agree that pretty much all trucks/cars since COVID are garbage. I'm in the market and researching many manufacturer's and it just seems a large number of them have engine problems and if not the engine many other problems. I thought it was just a COVID thing and it would be better by now but that doesn't seem to be the case. I am no brand loyalist so looking across the spectrum. @doolyd 2021 Tundra 5.7 or 2019 Frontier 4.0 I’d skip all of the brand new trucks and get one of those, depending on what size truck you want. Either one is still relatively new and will last you 20+ years. Those were probably the 2 most reliable trucks over the last 10-15 years. |
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Quoted: Their v6 and v8 are great. This 4cyl turbo nonsense because of .gov is a joke. The motor in gmc trucks was junk before they put a turbo on it and its junk still. Small displacement gasoline + boost in a heavy vehicle is a fail every time. Most Toyota failures I’ve seen are from gov mandates. Soy insulation, asbestos disallowed in head gaskets, elevated egr temps, afterthought DRLs, smaller displacement due to luxury tax or mileage requirements and now water thin oil. |
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Quoted: Well, they kinda were. Like I've said before, I don't like this timeline we've found ourselves in. Boeing planes falling out of the sky, dudes winning female beauty pageants, and Toyotas suffering major failures. Quoted: Quoted: Toyota never was what their fan boys made them out to be. Well, they kinda were. Like I've said before, I don't like this timeline we've found ourselves in. Boeing planes falling out of the sky, dudes winning female beauty pageants, and Toyotas suffering major failures. I'm with ya man. Times are a changing sadly. |
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Quoted: My guess, Toyota will correct issues. Meanwhile, GM, Ford and Chrysler will continue to make crap and not fix the issues. Well the recall doesn't affect the hybrids so right off the bat you get a fail. And it doesn't cover brand new ones sitting on the lots, since you can't sell a new car with an open recall. |
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Quoted: None of which changes the fact that across wide quality surveys, with differing methodologies and time period slices, Toyota is the acknowledged quality leader. Other mfg internally benchmark and adopt TMS processes. Toyota is perennially named #1 in Forbes most admired Mfg and has been in the top 50 world companies for the last 25 years, appearing above all other mfgs. This is a survey of roughly 4,000 Executives, Directors , etc what companies they admired most. So Toyota was never perfect, and will never have zero defects. But they engineer well, deliver at accountable remedy when they fail and overall lead product QRD. This. Every time an organization has attempted to quantify vehicle reliability, the data has put Toyota and Lexus at or near the top. This is true whether you're looking at vehicles only a few years old or studies of beaters going through auctions. |
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Quoted: There's been a number of process changes in response, so it's likely varied reasons. This is not the first valley plate design that has an incidence of failure tho. The 3MZ-FE, but in the States at least doesn't seem to have the propensity seen with the URs. @trails-end I'm sorry if I created anxiety. As an owner of a passel of various URs, including 5.7s, many well past. 200k, the reality is, it's likely coming. Tho later prod seems to lower incidence. But I hope you avoid any issues, live a long happy life and die with the truck fully operational. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Or until the cam towers start leaking or the valley plate seal fails Cam tower seals (and the plate, maybe?) were, according to a former tower assembler, a result of employees doing the assembly and failing to clean the sealing surfaces with alcohol prior to applying the sealant. There's been a number of process changes in response, so it's likely varied reasons. This is not the first valley plate design that has an incidence of failure tho. The 3MZ-FE, but in the States at least doesn't seem to have the propensity seen with the URs. @trails-end I'm sorry if I created anxiety. As an owner of a passel of various URs, including 5.7s, many well past. 200k, the reality is, it's likely coming. Tho later prod seems to lower incidence. But I hope you avoid any issues, live a long happy life and die with the truck fully operational. I should have put a smiley face on my post. I'm good. Shit happens. Nothing's perfect. |
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Quoted: Quoted: My nieces fianc has a 2024 Tundra and she said the best she can do is 18 MPG. I was getting 17 with my 2019 Tundra with the 5.7L engine. So all I this bullshit design changes for 1 MPG . https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/PXL_20240426_114932143_jpg-3277345.JPG I think I've seen my 2021 4x4 big cab bump 16mpg, but that's it. It's usually 12-14. Pulling my small, single-axle camper I sometimes get as low as 7mpg. My 2005 Cummins 4x4 could get 18 on the hwy and never got less than 15 pulling the heaviest load. It didn't even know the little camper was back there and got 16mpg. |
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My 23' tundra that I'm pretty sure is part of this recall has almost 30k miles.... Love this truck. Only thing wrong with it is the center consul is stupid, and the narrow bed is a really fucking dumb idea. I wish the parking break didn't freak out every time you open the door when in gear, but I'm pretty sure every manufacturer has to do that now because of regulation. Make sure you don't have a modern vehicle if you need to getaway vehicle..... In the right sunlight, the hood lines can reflect glint directly back into your eyes. That part is very annoying Some days. Other than that, this truck is extremely awesome. The media center is epic. The microphones are amazing. I can do meetings from the vehicle and the audio is perfect. Most of the time people don't even know I'm driving. And what a fun experience to drive. The engine is so much better in every way than my old 57. I love old-school V8 reliability, but we have to be honest here, this newer arrangement is just better. More torque, more efficient, and just a better experience. Before everybody gets all pissy with me, my favorite vehicle still to drive is my 5VZ powered 4Runner.... Piss I drove a Toyota 57 the other day. I used to think that thing was a rocket. That thing is slow as shit compared to the Twin turbo. Great and amazing engine, but we got a call it for what it is. Super reliable and works well. But it only wishes it could make the torque with the twin turbo does. The best thing about the new tundra is how quiet it is in the cab. Bet most you guys didn't know it's almost Rolls-Royce quiet on the inside. It got tested at 62 dB or something like that. It's not a perfect truck as nothing is perfect. But it is pretty damn awesome. And I certainly wouldn't want to go backwards to a 5.7...... Unless it was in a Land Cruiser There's been "officially" (whatever that means) 824 twin turbo engines go down so far. Out of 102k vehicles.... Less than 1% failure..... meanwhile MDS has been blowing up scores and scores of other truck engines for a good long damn time, well decades actually and no one gives a fuck about that problem. I personally know eight guys that have lost Chevy and ram engines because of MDS. The local Yoda shop has yet to see one TT go down. This entire issue with the new Toyota engine is completely overblown in my opinion. The only reason this is even newsworthy is because the car maker that normally bats 1000 most the time had a stumble and everybody acts like it's the end of the world. Meanwhile, everybody else has a blown up MDS GM or Ram product, or the weekly ford recall.....but that's different....lol. I have owned them all by the way. I'm not one of those guys that sits there and dies on the brand. I like things that are good to go, and work well. That's it. |
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Quoted: My nieces fiancé has a 2024 Tundra and she said the best she can do is 18 MPG. I was getting 17 with my 2019 Tundra with the 5.7L engine. So all I this bullshit design changes for 1 MPG I am a Toyota man but they missed the boat on this one. I get 16.5/17mpg highway with my 08 5.7 and 243k miles tundra |
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Quoted: I think I've seen my 2021 4x4 big cab bump 16mpg, but that's it. It's usually 12-14. Pulling my small, single-axle camper I sometimes get as low as 7mpg. My 2005 Cummins 4x4 could get 18 on the hwy and never got less than 15 pulling the heaviest load. It didn't even know the little camper was back there and got 16mpg. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: My nieces fianc has a 2024 Tundra and she said the best she can do is 18 MPG. I was getting 17 with my 2019 Tundra with the 5.7L engine. So all I this bullshit design changes for 1 MPG . https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/PXL_20240426_114932143_jpg-3277345.JPG I think I've seen my 2021 4x4 big cab bump 16mpg, but that's it. It's usually 12-14. Pulling my small, single-axle camper I sometimes get as low as 7mpg. My 2005 Cummins 4x4 could get 18 on the hwy and never got less than 15 pulling the heaviest load. It didn't even know the little camper was back there and got 16mpg. Just rolled a new turbo, manifold, and intercooler setup into my old 05' Cummins. I'm super excited to see what the fuel mileage numbers are found to be on my next trip. So far the numbers look super promising. Looks like I've dropped EGT about 200 to 250° on the 95mph sport tune wide open throttle run. Used to be high EGT city. Before I could blast through 1400 without even trying, and hit alarms in 5th and 6th gear. It topped out at 1220 max recorded this last round.... Fucking A!!!!!!!!. I'll probably hook it up and take it for a climb tonight just to see what it does. |
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Quoted: Don't forget the 1UR 4.6 either... plenty of cases of 300+k on those bad boys. Quoted: Quoted: https://i.ibb.co/56BGwWK/IMG-6738.webp I own (1) Toyota and (1) Lexus… ‘04 Tacoma @ 450k ‘06 LX470 @ 300k Both still run great and have the original engine and transmission. Neither have ever needed anything beyond preventative maintenance and replacement of wear items. The current Toyota issues are a product of government regulation more than anything else. Toyota’s last two production v8 engines for full-size vehicles (4.7 2UZ and 5.7 3UR) are arguably the two best V8 engines ever produced in terms of reliability and longevity. Thank government regulation for forcing Toyota to replace them with high stress turbo engines. You cannot defeat the laws of physics. Don't forget the 1UR 4.6 either... plenty of cases of 300+k on those bad boys. Only issue with those is the coolant valley plate leak they never addressed for over 10 years. |